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2014-02-13 04:08 4564509 Anonymous (1363135354542.jpg 357x530 115kB)
Why aren't you a romantic vagabond, /lit/? You would wander wherever you want and spit on the bourgeois fatness of the depressed masses. You would have adventure and battle! Life would become worth living again. Nighttime dalliances in multiple cities and forests full of mystery. Well, what are you waiting for? You don't even like your current life.

1 min later 4564512 Anonymous
I like hot showers and being able to lock up my few possessions.

5 min later 4564519 Anonymous (flaneur.jpg 161x314 5kB)
>>4564509 I prefer flaneurism over vagabondism.

7 min later 4564525 Anonymous
I have considered it. I figure once I'm actually suicidal, there will be nothing left to lose.

8 min later 4564527 Anonymous
I'm considering taking a tent with me in the summer and wandering the shores of this great bay, seeking solace in myself and romance in the hands of fair-maidens. It's too cold this season. I don't even want to leave to go and buy Pringles.

11 min later 4564528 Anonymous
Travelling's expensive, yo

13 min later 4564531 Anonymous
>>4564509 I guess I'm too attached to my petite-bourgeois ways.

14 min later 4564532 Anonymous
>romanticizing homelessness lol

16 min later 4564537 Anonymous
>>4564509 Because right now it's too cold where I live.

17 min later 4564538 Anonymous (computing.jpg 400x267 7kB)
>>4564509 I'm a cybervagabond OP, tis the way of the future. Physical travel is vulgar and dated.

18 min later 4564543 Anonymous
>>4564525 This is such a horrid misconception. I always see people recommending the suicidal to go and "do whatever it is they want"; travel the world, do x, do y. "You've got nothing to lose!". What all of these retards fail to understand is that once you're actually in a suicidal position, you don't WANT do to anything, except to stop existing. Why's everyone so fucking dumb?

18 min later 4564544 Anonymous
You meet people and maybe fuck some and generally are more railroaded into shit than any 9 - 5 illiterate pleb. But hey, you can lord it over us on your facebook when you get back from your travels!

20 min later 4564547 Anonymous
>>4564543 thank you. /b/ is the worst of these transgressors. sometimes I venture over there out of some morbid curiosity and there's usually some form of suicide thread and it's always the same responses, they ones you just described. truly, profoundly stupid

23 min later 4564552 Anonymous
>>4564543 I take your point, and since I've never actually been suicidal, I can't actually speak from that perspective. I guess it's just a nice thought. "I'm already set up to die, might as well stowaway on a banana boat to Central America and see what happens".

37 min later 4564574 Anonymous (steppenwolf.jpg 311x475 13kB)
>>4564543 Ever read Steppenwolf?

37 min later 4564575 Anonymous
>>4564552 >well, life abhors me, let's throw myself in the middle of it with utmost intensity It's a silly thought. Try a comfy bed and an assortment of downers instead.

40 min later 4564581 Anonymous
>>4564509 Why don't you, OP? I do like my current life, by the way.

47 min later 4564594 Anonymous (arthur.png 1000x393 61kB)
>>4564509 I've already arranged my life in such a way that it minimises suffering, OP. That's all one can do. "Living life to the fullest" is a silly, naive notion.

49 min later 4564595 Anonymous
>>4564575 >Not realizing that throwing yourself into the middle of something with the utmost intensity is the proper way to learn how to fight your fears and become a better man because of it If it were possible to return to normal life after such a daring leap into the unknown, you wouldn't be afraid of life anymore.

51 min later 4564597 Anonymous
>>4564595 >to learn how to fight your fears and become a better man because of it this is of no value

56 min later 4564602 Anonymous
>>4564597 yeah we get it you're a depressed freak

56 min later 4564604 Anonymous (having a deep moment.jpg 500x348 60kB)
>>4564595 Have you learned what you know about depression and suicidal tendencies from movies? It doesn't work like that in real life.

1 hours later 4564613 Anonymous
>>4564602 realist*

1 hours later 4564617 Anonymous
>>4564602 As I see it, you'd have to utterly insane not be depressed; delusional to point of ridiculousness.

1 hours later 4564623 Anonymous
>>4564509 I do like my current life. >>4564594 Did he really say that? Jesus Christ, Schopes.

1 hours later 4564628 Anonymous
>>4564617 Either you're clinically depressed because of chemical imbalances in your brain, in which case you need cognitive behavioral therapy and possibly meds, or you're just feeling angsty and mopey, in which case you need stoicism (which is basically cognitive behavioral therapy too).

1 hours later 4564629 Anonymous
>>4564623 >Did he really say that? Jesus Christ, Schopes. He's right

1 hours later 4564630 Anonymous
>>4564628 >stick your head in the sand like me! No, thanks

1 hours later 4564632 Anonymous
>>4564629 He isn't.

1 hours later 4564635 Anonymous
>>4564628 >cbt what a fucking joke >meds chemical neutering to make me complacent with this shitheap i'll pass on both

1 hours later 4564641 Anonymous
>>4564628 I'm suicidal because I see life as it is and I choose not to take part in it. I am not depressed at all. My death will be rational.

1 hours later 4564642 Anonymous
>>4564635 >what a fucking joke Actually the only legitimate part of applied psychology. >chemical neutering to make me complacent with this shitheap Well, yeah, that's basically only for if you can't drag your ass out of bed in the morning but instead just lie there and cry. I'm not agreeing with the ridiculous over-prescription of medication that happens today.

1 hours later 4564643 Anonymous
>>4564628 Chemical inbalance implies chemical balance, as if there was a correct mental condition that results in a worldview that is more valid than the depressed one, which is silly. Especially since people with more prevalent mental states have a discernable optimism bias that muddles their insight.

1 hours later 4564646 Anonymous
>>4564641 How is it, anon?

1 hours later 4564647 Anonymous
>>4564643 Are you suggesting a state that allows you to function effectively isn't preferable to one that doesn't?

1 hours later 4564658 Anonymous
>>4564647 You can only speak of functioning effectively after a goal and context have been stated. You can't function effectively according to no standards. People may very well have standards according to which numbly gliding through obligations for 80 years doesn't constitute functioning effectively.

1 hours later 4564659 Anonymous
>>4564646 How is life? Life is just creating problems that never needed to be fixed. If you look at it as a kind of experiment conducted by nature, and like any experiment you would do some kind of environmental impact statement defending the experiment, saying "this is why we're going to torture some rats" or "this is why we're going do whatever we're going to do", and you have some explanation. Well, such an impact statement couldn't be written for life because it produces NOTHING of value and creates a bunch of vulnerable and harm-able instruments in the process. It creates a problem that needs a cure, rather than curing a problem that need a cure. If we metaphor life as a game we can perceive key concepts missing from the gameplay, namely CONSENT and FAIRNESS. A smart or intelligent or informed brain says "yes, these concepts are necessary components". If you don't have fairness and consent, you don't have a justifiable game, and you can not create those things in this environment of replicating molecules that creates a deprivation, that creates a problem WITHIN the sentient, feeling thing; a problem in NEED of resolution. It CREATES, inadequacies and insufficiencies; wants and needs and desires and passions that NEED resolution. As such it is SELF-satisfying , and not satisfying anything beyond self, and therefore should not be perpetuated as an experiment as it has no hope of producing anything of true, real, substantial value and ONLY has opportunity to leave a bunch of harm, torture, suffering and misery unresolved and unpaid for by anything of compensating value.

1 hours later 4564660 Anonymous
>>4564642 >Actually the only legitimate part of applied psychology. Walk me through what goes on in CBT and the value that it has for an individual who doesn't see life worth living

1 hours later 4564670 Anonymous
>>4564647 function effectively to what end? for what purpose? and under who's definition of effectively? capitalism's? you want more worker bees? or biology's? you want more meatbags for the cosmic guillotine?

1 hours later 4564698 Anonymous
>>4564642 >Actually the only legitimate part of applied psychology. yfw it was synthesised by Timothy Leary into mainstream culture and has lower outcome achievement than purely behavioural therapy. It's the most popular for now, but it's not the most successful or legitimate. It's a fad which arises from the moral dilemma of consent and involvement in treatment, coupled with client expectations.

1 hours later 4564702 Anonymous
>Implying I am not an internet version of this

1 hours later 4564709 Anonymous
>>4564698 >client expectations I can't help but feel that this is the only determining factor in the success of any psychiatric treatment that we know.

1 hours later 4564723 Anonymous
>>4564709 it is in part, but it would be nice if they didn't have crazy ones which meant they won't leave without drugs and pseudo-science. giving someone an antidepressant because it's an easier argument to get them to participate in than Clean your bedroom is making those expectations sicker as well.

1 hours later 4564727 Anonymous
>>4564723 *which mean

1 hours later 4564739 Anonymous
because i'm ugly and no shaving and showering would only make me uglier. can't have dalliances when people are scared to even look at you.

2 hours later 4564787 Anonymous
>>4564659 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkBr IrQikWY

2 hours later 4564796 Anonymous (DOS (2).jpg 1920x1080 481kB)
>>4564509 I'd love to become one, but I unfortunately live in Ireland, where everyone knows everyone else and where the wet weather would kill me in a few short weeks. If I lived in a larger country with huge cities and a warmer climate I most definitely would.

2 hours later 4564864 Anonymous
>>4564787 ?

2 hours later 4564872 Anonymous
>>4564739 if it's any consolation, i'm (apparently) extremely good looking and yet i despise existence

2 hours later 4564897 Anonymous
>>4564872 its no consolation. thanks asshole.

2 hours later 4564901 Anonymous
>>4564864 The outed guy's conception of life is simmilar to one of a video game villain. Also, Arcanum is a must play and is even related to the topic of vagrancy like every rpg.

2 hours later 4564905 Anonymous
>>4564901 *quoted

2 hours later 4564913 Anonymous
>>4564897 If it's any consolation, I'm ugly yet all of my girlfriends have been attractive. Ugly guys get with attractive girls all the time. Rarely does it happen the opposite way (sorry ugly girls), so consider yourself lucky. Just pretend to be confident. Works for me.

2 hours later 4564914 Anonymous
>>4564901 and the writer of said villain probably read cioran, celine, schopenhaur and liggoti

2 hours later 4564921 Anonymous
>>4564913 This guy is right. I've been called "ridiculously good looking" and other such crap and yet I'm a virgin of 20 years. Looks aren't really as big of a factor as you'd think.

2 hours later 4564942 Anonymous
>>4564913 >>4564921 what does getting with girls have to do with anything. still no consolation.

3 hours later 4564951 Anonymous
>>4564942 If it's any consolation, if you can't get girls you still can get dudes.

3 hours later 4564962 Anonymous
>>4564643 >If I'm depressed then everyone should be! Just kill yourself holy shit.

3 hours later 4564968 Anonymous
>>4564659 *Tips fedora*

3 hours later 4564973 Anonymous
>>4564942 Depression, in every single case, comes down to either sexual repression or sexual dissatisfaction. It has everything to do with getting girls.

3 hours later 4564974 Anonymous
>>4564962 >>4564968 >>>/b/

3 hours later 4564978 Anonymous
>>4564973 >Depression, in every single case, comes down to either sexual repression or sexual dissatisfaction. source pls

3 hours later 4564982 Anonymous
>>4564962 but that's not what he said at all you fucking retard although that it the actual truth; everyone SHOULD be depressed, given the state of our existence. luckily for them, most people are stupid enough not to perceive how genuinely horrifying it all is

3 hours later 4564986 Anonymous (The Yukon 036.jpg 4000x3000 2765kB)
>>4564509 >implying i'm not Really though, if anybody has any questions about romantic vagabondism I'd be happy to help.

3 hours later 4564989 Anonymous
Hey, I was just coming out of a depressed stupor and was thinking about leaving my current situation and wandering for a while, and I just so happened upon this thread. I don't have much in the way of money, nor any destination in mind, but do you still think its a good idea /lit/?

3 hours later 4564991 Anonymous
>>4564978 I have no source. It's conjecture.

3 hours later 4564996 Anonymous
>>4564942 you were bitching about being ugly, men don't give a fuck if you're ugly unless they're gay, that leaves women.

3 hours later 4564999 Anonymous
>>4564991 Then kindly keep your ignorance to yourself.

3 hours later 4565004 Anonymous
>>4564986 You there, Yukon vagrant, tell me about being a vagrant, how have you been eating and just continuing to live?

3 hours later 4565007 Anonymous
>implying I'm not already a romantic at heart

3 hours later 4565009 Anonymous
>>4564989 Not a good idea, no. Make some money first, otherwise you'll be desperate for food and miserable. It's one thing to romanticize about the life of a vagabond; actually living the life is another thing entirely.

3 hours later 4565012 Anonymous
>>4564999 Why would I do that? No one else on here does. That's what the internet is, for the most part: people not keeping their ignorance to themselves.

3 hours later 4565018 Anonymous
>>4564913 >find out my ex is dating some dude with the facial structure of a peanut >wonder why she'd be attracted to someone who looks Mr. Planters >wonder why I can't find another nice girl

3 hours later 4565024 Anonymous
>>4565012 >Why would I do that? No one else on here does. so you'd rather stoop the standards of the majority than raise the bar for yourself

3 hours later 4565026 Anonymous (backpackonbunk.jpg 2848x2134 1110kB)
>>4564989 Go for it man. Just live cheap. Hitchhike, take buses, take jobs where you can, meet people, do what you want. It's scary at first and sometimes you'll feel like you're in way over your head, but things usually work out and when they don't you realize that even if you don't eat that night and you're sleeping by the side of the road, you're still alive. If you're smart you won't end up in that position anyway, but it's interesting when you realize you're at what most people consider rock bottom and it's not even that bad, it just sucks.

3 hours later 4565037 Anonymous
>>4564991 Conjecture based on what information? I'm curious to see you defend your position.

3 hours later 4565038 Anonymous
>>4565024 Touche!

3 hours later 4565065 Anonymous (yukondogsmallerimage.jpg 4000x3000 1581kB)
>>4565004 I'm not fully homeless or hopeless or anything, I have friends to stay with when I need to and have a decent education and background, so my vagrancy is choice, putting me in a totally different category than many of the junkies, drop outs, retards, and criminals I meet. But you might be surprised, a lot of the people I meet are in a similar situation as me. And I'm not currently in the Yukon, but things weren't bad up there at all. The cost of living is really fucking high because it's so remote, and getting from one town to another is a bitch because they're like 7 hours apart by car through hundreds of miles of wilderness. But jobs are easy to come by and starting wage can be around $20 an hour for something like a cashier job. I think minimum wage is like $11 in the Yukon. So if you spend a couple of months working and living modestly out of a campground (most of which are very cool and let you set up a semi-permanent tarp/tent home), you'll have plenty of money to get back on the road, and as long as you buy cheap food from supermarkets you're set. And in the Yukon when you have what you're going to eat and where you're going to sleep worked out, the place is one giant adventure. The north is unbelievably beautiful and enormous.

3 hours later 4565067 Anonymous
>>4565065 Wow I really fucked that picture up trying to resize it

3 hours later 4565077 Anonymous
>>4565065 so you're essentially still living within the capitalist network, you just choose not to have a house for some reason.

3 hours later 4565113 Anonymous
>>4565077 >you just choose not to have a house for some reason. That's a vast oversimplification of it. It's not like I'm just living outside in one place but am otherwise a normal citizen. And not sure what you mean by "living within the capitalist network". Sure, I still take jobs to get money, I like having money, it helps. But I'm not living in the shadow of ridiculous debt, I'm not spending my life obsessed with a career path and a retirement plan, I take jobs when I feel like it because it's usually preferable to the alternatives, but I'm capable of caring for myself without one (I've dumpster dived, hunted and gathered, and ate in soup kitchens many times.) I see no reason to completely and permanently cut off contact with the world of homes, careers, and families, because I don't hate that way of living and someday I might try and go back to it.

3 hours later 4565125 Anonymous
>>4564982 >I can't like flowers and happy things because they all end and die You're the worst kind of sperg bruh. You think you're too cool for positive things. The worst part is your position isn't any more rational than an optimist's.

4 hours later 4565144 Anonymous
>>4565125 >I can't like flowers and happy things because they all end and die >You think you're too cool for positive things I never said that. Fuck, I'm so sick of you little retards. You see a post you don't agree with, and rather than addressing the post directly, you make up some ridiculous bullshit loosely related to the topic at hand and argue against that instead., because you're just too fucking thick to do it any other way. >The worst part is your position isn't any more rational than an optimist's. Realism is infinitely more rational than that "don't worry, be happy" inanity. The only people that ascribe the label of pessimism to a position such as mine are those that don't understand the position. Now, if you can activate your limited brain capacity and actually formulate an argument, we can have a discussion instead of just lobbing ad homs at each other, you giant fucking pleb.

4 hours later 4565147 Anonymous
>>4565125 what the fuck is a 'happy thing'. who is telling you you can't like flowers? be a faggot all you want, i don't give a shit

4 hours later 4565155 Anonymous
>>4564574 I'm not the person you're responding to but I don't think that I would classify Harry as actually suicidal; sure, he was upset and angsty, but he was never in a serious suicidal position. I mean, he would still go out and drink and party and everything. A truly suicidal person, if you've ever met one, doesn't even want to leave their room.

4 hours later 4565186 Anonymous
>>4565077 m8 if you want to live outside capitalist system then you've got to live in a squat and deal drugs. You could keep enough to purchase food and necessities, and find some constructive way of using the rest (difficult unless you can launder it), or you can just stockpile liberation rods and wait for some mad shit to happen.

4 hours later 4565219 Anonymous
>>4565186 or you could like you know have cattle, work the land But who am I kidding, you guys could never do that.

4 hours later 4565238 Anonymous
the fact of the matter is that you will never understand the suicidal unless you've been suicidal yourself. i mean actually, genuinely suicidal, not teenage "my boyfriend broke up with me so i'm going to kill myself" bullshit that the youth like to pull

4 hours later 4565252 Anonymous
>>4565219 But capitalist society would still exist.

4 hours later 4565290 Anonymous
>>4565252 and? the point is to live outside of it, ie not depend on it or contribute to it. nobody is trying to singlehandedly get rid of it.

4 hours later 4565318 Anonymous
>>4565219 I'm sure I could do that, and though it might be satisfying work, it would get dull and lonely. >You would have adventure and battle! Life would become worth living again. Nighttime dalliances in multiple cities and forests full of mystery. You wouldn't have any of those things if you were tending to your crops and livestock until the day you die.

5 hours later 4565330 Anonymous
>>4565219 Don't forget your own iron mine so that you can have tools.

5 hours later 4565334 Anonymous
>>4565290 You're right, nobody is singlehandedly trying to get rid of it, lots of people are working together to get rid of it. Ted Kaczynski ran away from it, and it ended up catching up with him, building over the only refuge he had. Only then did he directly oppose it.

5 hours later 4565359 Anonymous
>>4565219 'Work the land' would, in the modern world, imply owning said land, or otherwise having access to it. Sure, there might be some places where the rights of the land-owners' may not be uphold as strongly as elsewhere, but there is always the chance of someone evicting you. As an individual the only way to live 'outside' society, if such a thing is possible, would be to either become completely invisible to it, meaning that not even the law can reach (how? I have no idea), or going to some remote location and taking a shit-ton of strong psychedelics, hence removing your consciousness from the material world. The guy talking about squats seems to be somewhat on the right track. It's easier to hide in a mass of people than in an uninhabited wilderness.

5 hours later 4565368 Anonymous (111005_wtworld4.png 1280x688 1612kB)
>>4565219 >have cattle, work the land Which is a shit life and unrelenting toil and hard work for fuck all reward, unless you want to live like a fucking peasant in a muddy hovel >2k+14 >Not building a boat out of scrap and living like the mariner from waterworld landlubbers gonna lub

5 hours later 4565377 Anonymous (17-peter-andre-699a-121010.jpg 699x789 117kB)
>>4565368 >mfw imagining some guy from /lit/ trying to pay with sand at the grocery store in Marseilles

5 hours later 4565422 Anonymous
>>4565077 There aren't any vagrants that live outside of the economy.

5 hours later 4565432 Anonymous
>>4565359 >or going to some remote location and taking a shit-ton of strong psychedelics, hence removing your consciousness from the material world. you sound like a real smart guy

5 hours later 4565468 Anonymous
The plan is to get a STEM degree, cosy job and work 75%. Buy a small house with a nice view, growing whatever I feel like and just do whatever makes me happy. This is what I hope to be able to do in life.

5 hours later 4565477 Anonymous
>>4565422 what? sure there are.

5 hours later 4565483 Anonymous
>>4565477 How?

5 hours later 4565492 Anonymous
>>4564532 This. >muh bourgeois alienation

6 hours later 4565670 Anonymous
>>4564982 true depression removes your ability to function as in removes your ability to exert your will. i dont think you get it

7 hours later 4565874 Anonymous
>>4565330 Actually, you can just take a strong magnet attached to a length of rope and drag it behind you on a beach or cast it into a stagnant body of water and the specs of material that show up will be iron.

14 hours later 4567169 Anonymous
Because people will assume that you are a beggar, freeloader and thief by your shabby clothes and matted hair.

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