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2014-07-18 10:17 3014373 Anonymous (image.jpg 640x480 36kB)
Can someone explain the tension between lesbians and MtFs? Does a similar issue exist between gays and FtMs, or are lesbians uniquely terrible? >inb3+1 bait I seriously don't understand all the hate on trans* people-- saying that we do it for attention is the same as saying that someone chooses to be gay.

2 min later 3014392 Anonymous
>or are lesbians uniquely terrible? >implying transbians aren't the batshit insane ones

3 min later 3014400 Anonymous
>>3014373 Trans* people get a lot of heat from everyone, don't single out lesbians. Also, being trans* isn't a sexual orientation, so you can be trans* and a lesbian. Not sure why you are treating them like they are always totally separate. I would say that the average lesbian doesn't want to be with a mtf, but the average homo wouldn't want to be with a ftm.

4 min later 3014407 Anonymous
>>3014400 >>3014373 Ok seriously can some explain the "*" at the end of trans? What's the difference between trans and trans*?

5 min later 3014414 Anonymous
>>3014404 People don't choose to be gay, however they do choose to act on homosexual impulses.

7 min later 3014421 Anonymous
>>3014404 Lewd! Your /pol/ is showing ^.^

7 min later 3014423 Anonymous
>>3014407 Trans* is trying to be inclusive but is just tumblr tier shit like changing LGBT to LGBTQQAA+

8 min later 3014429 Anonymous
>>3014400 >dubs_checkem.jpg

10 min later 3014438 Anonymous
>>3014414 >>3014421 No, as a gay man I can tell you first hand that being gay is a choice. I'm sick of you liberal retards trying to tell me about my own sexuality. I control my own life and make my own choices, like everyone does. I wouldn't be gay if I didn't want to be.

11 min later 3014443 Anonymous
>>3014438 lmao >trying this hard Liberals are stupid but you're trying way too hard "gay" boy.

12 min later 3014447 Anonymous
>>3014373 A lot of gays can't into relationships with people who have no dicks, be them men born men who lost it in a tragic accident or a transman. I really can't see a mostly-top having a problem with a mostly-bottom FtM, though. At most some traits FtM are more likely to have (shorter, less masculine) might be less attractive by then. Lesbianism is very intertwined with feminism, and feminism is what hates MtFs. And FtMs. And straight males. And gay males. And a few kinds of lesbians. And pretty much everything that doesn't fit feminism to the T. Seriously, feminism is pretty much a hate group by this point. And they poison lesbians.

12 min later 3014451 Anonymous
>>3014438 /pol/ pls try harder ask them for more advice >>>/pol/

13 min later 3014457 Anonymous
>>3014438 Your behavior is a choice, yes, but your gayness isn't. Well, unless you're partially Bi and "chose" the side you were more fond of to begin with.

14 min later 3014459 Anonymous
>>3014451 /pol/ is full of conservative retards, which are even worse.

16 min later 3014467 Anonymous
>>3014459 >choosing a side that is worth both are fucking idiots of equal capacities in different ways.

17 min later 3014477 Anonymous
>>3014373 >Does a similar issue exist between gays and FtMs Yes, but men are less vocal about hating trans people than women are (not just lesbians) because feminism.

34 min later 3014564 Anonymous
>>3014373 I would actually argue there's tension between straight women and transbians. After all, it's not uncommon for married men in their 40s and up to transition, leaving their wives hurt and confused. I think a lot of these wives and their daughters turn out to be radfems

41 min later 3014606 Anonymous
I think if a gay guy sleeps with a ftm, he's going to want to lie to himself about it being straight.

47 min later 3014638 Anonymous (toptoptopkek.jpg 292x257 35kB)
>>3014407 the asterisk = unadulterated faggotry >>3014414 either way, homosex are bad >>3014421 go back to preschool you anime faggot >>3014429 >implying the dubs meme was ever good

47 min later 3014642 Anonymous (ad6190cd.jpg 480x270 24kB)
>tfw gay ftm >no one will ever love you ;-;

49 min later 3014652 Anonymous
I've never experienced tension between trans Mtf myself, but I know a lot of lesbians who are a bit turned off by them since they think it's hard for a trans mtf to understand the prejudices of being a gay woman.

1 hours later 3014709 Anonymous
>>3014642 don't worry, anon, there's hope I found a s/o and we've basically been together for 6 months.

1 hours later 3014725 Anonymous
>>3014642 dont be so cynical, you'll find someone eventually.

1 hours later 3014816 WBT (1172573559031.jpg 364x614 78kB)
>>3014642 Chin up. someones out there just for you, You'll find them eventually

1 hours later 3014840 Anonymous
I'm gay and would be okay with an FtM.

1 hours later 3014849 Anonymous
>>3014652 And it's probably hard for you to understand the prejudice of being a transsexual.

1 hours later 3014875 Anonymous
ftms face no prejudice

1 hours later 3014884 WBT (b031a98d57ff952baa252e165bcf1a64.jpg 489x639 50kB)
>>3014652 See, I guess I'm lucky. Most lesbian friends I have are absolutely supportive and sweet. I can get the 'turned off by them' aspect, as an MtF into girls I will never fault a lesbian for not wanting to sleep with me. But... Yea, never actually had a lesbian state something like 'you don't understand the prejudice' or shit like that. Not even the 'friends of friends' I've met for the first time at a bar.

1 hours later 3014896 Anonymous
>>3014373 lesbians don't like dick trannies want to keep their dick so muxh for gender is a social construction

1 hours later 3014916 Anonymous
>>3014884 I'm really glad you have that support.

2 hours later 3014931 WBT (sagubooru-fa60ad84196ef8139b49781ea69029e7.jpg 640x480 43kB)
>>3014896 >trannies want to keep their dick Oh god. My sides. Please PLEASE tell me you don't believe this. Even the majority of transgender girls whom aren't aiming for SRS are only doing it because current SRS scares them shitless. >>3014916 To be fair I don't have many lesbian friends locally, the ones I met were friends of friends. But yea, people are a lot sweeter then others seem to expect when you're actively nice to them. Views be damned.

2 hours later 3015152 Anonymous (rainbow.jpg 1024x576 37kB)
4chan is just 4chan. Lesbians in real life are nice to me. Probably nicer when I was more /femgen/ looking rather than girl but still. But then here people go to /lesgen/ and talk about their penis/mtf status, troll or not. I'd hope you'd have the sense not to hang around a bunch of other girls and do that in real life. It makes me a bit sad to even think about and I'd never bring that up in a female circle where I was accepted as a girl. Penis =/= girl and therefore we're sad and uncomfortable, or that's how I thought it worked. If I was attracted to girls I'd go into the lesbian general and just be myself, talk about stuff or whatever and not mention my status as I'd have 0 reason to say that. Really the only people you should be talking about your penis with are potential romantic partners/one night stands. Nobody owes anyone attraction. Be it you're overweight, smell bad, are a severe burn victim, paralyzed, or even just have ugly nose... nobody should be expected to find you attractive. As trannies lots of people won't want relationships with us but that's okay, there -are- people out there that will. Lesbians aren't mean or unfair by turning one of us down. Straight men aren't mean if/when they tell me "sorry no". That's part of being handed the short end of the stick in life and hopefully you can accept that. Maybe I just meet all the right ones, but lesbos tend to be swell and laid back people. There isn't any animosity between us and them. Unless you count those videos from a few years ago of the fatasses who look like men, not even hons just plain old dudes, going to a lesbian rally because "my gender identity is of a woman! I'm a lesbian!" and getting ridiculed for it. Regardless of you feel in your head and heart, you should refrain from calling yourself a lesbian until you're a woman. They tend to be great people, and I don't want us to hate each other.

5 hours later 3015706 Anonymous
>>3014373 I couldn't tell you, because I've never met a lesbian from 4chan (thank god.)

7 hours later 3016099 Anonymous
This only exists within 4chan, because lesgen is the easiest general to troll on the easiest board to troll

7 hours later 3016119 Anonymous
>>3016099 >the easiest board to troll You mean /pol/? Yep. Just go pretend to be a Jew. guaranteed500replies.png

8 hours later 3016272 Anonymous
>>3014642 Bullshit. You'll find someone who is open minded sooner or later, unless you're unlikeable for other reasons. >>3015152 Yeah, literally all lesbians I've met in real life are cool people.

8 hours later 3016325 Anonymous
The problems are between between MTF and Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists. There's a disproportionate number of lesbian TERF, but they're still by a vast majority straight women. But you already knew that, OP. Because this is a bait thread.

9 hours later 3016506 Anonymous
>>3014457 please stop feeding the /pol/ meatpuppets

10 hours later 3016635 Anonymous
>>3015152 I dunno, I mean, most of the girls I talk with in real life are fine with me being trans. I can talk about it with them. I don't outright talk about my genitals or anything unless people ask but I don't really make it a big secret that I'm not cis. But I don't keep TERFs for company so maybe there's that.

10 hours later 3016683 Anonymous
>>3015152 >Lesbians aren't mean or unfair by turning one of us down. But dick checks (grab groin), alienate lesbians who are ok with dating trans women (and tell them they can't identify as lesbian anymore), and shutting out trans women out of lesbian spaces is pretty mean... The question OP asked was if gays do the same against ftms.

10 hours later 3016687 Anonymous
>>3016325 >There's a disproportionate number of lesbian TERF, but they're still by a vast majority straight women. Are there any TERFs that are straight? Every single time I've read about a TERF she's lesbian, never ever has it been a straight woman.

11 hours later 3016753 Anonymous
>>3014652 >prejudices of being a gay woman >real things Don't kid yourselves. The worst that happens to you is straight guys herp derp and ask you to make out.

11 hours later 3016766 Anonymous
>>3016687 Yes there are some. I talked to one. Her bf must be the most whipped piece of pussy shit alive.

11 hours later 3016793 Anonymous
>>3016766 The "Do you beat your boyfriend, 'cause we kind of do" article on Jezebel comes to my mind

11 hours later 3016829 Anonymous
>>3014884 i think this is how most trans people work, personally i have never found a transwoman in real life get mad at a lesbian for not dating her. most of the people who say that are either nut jobs who have massive issues otherwise or just /pol/ tards trying to start fights. i understand if someone doesnt want to date me because of my junk, i dont even want my junk, but i do care if they do it because "i am still a guy" or something like that. its fine if they dont want to date me because i am trans but its not really cool if they dont want to date because they want to invalidate me. either way those people i wouldnt want to date either so fuck them

12 hours later 3016879 Anonymous
>>3014642 Bullshit. Gays should be lining up to get a taste of gay vagina. The injustice in this world...

12 hours later 3016882 Anonymous (1362919390405.jpg 400x440 41kB)
>>3014373 Easy: Feminists hate trannys because they are either gender traitors (f2m) or infiltrators (m2f), and plenty of lesbians are politicals. Lesbians especially hate 'transbians' because they are whiny little bitches who try to guilt them into sex and cry oppression when rejected (WAHHH COTTON CEILING ;_;) Also they see them as male (because they are) and they don't like penises. No, calling it your 'girlcock' isn't some clever loophole. But mostly they hate them because they are trannys, and everyone hates trannys. Even other trannys. Even supposed 'allies' are just using trannys to show how progressive they are. tl;dr- no one likes trannys

12 hours later 3016886 Anonymous
>>3016882 Yeah, trannys are gross man.

12 hours later 3016887 Anonymous (a-better-tomorrow-00-800-75.jpg 800x800 49kB)
>>3014438 This is true, I agree also. I am bi when it comes to porn but gay in every practical sense because women are shit at sex and worse when they aren't having sex. Cry /pol/ all you like, its true.

12 hours later 3016891 Anonymous (america's top lel.jpg 210x144 11kB)
>>3014459 >pol >conservative If anything its leftist. Just not the kind of leftist you like.

12 hours later 3016893 Anonymous
>>3014624 GLB is the original name and I'll never call it anything else.

12 hours later 3016911 Anonymous
>>3016893 but that sounds way worse. also gays are terrible people

12 hours later 3016928 Anonymous (a pinky and the brain.jpg 640x480 41kB)
>>3016911 Great, GTFO of our movement then :D Trannys are to GLB as Scotland is to the UK. We don't want you, we don't need you dragging us down, just piss off and make your own fucking movement and never darken our door again.

12 hours later 3016933 Anonymous
>>3014373 >*

12 hours later 3016937 Anonymous
>>3016928 glad to know you know the history. fun fact kicking out trans people will do nothing but make people hate you more for being winy bitches. no one has ever been for gay rights if it wasnt for those trannies.

14 hours later 3017117 Anonymous (caterpillar-3.jpg 720x576 81kB)
>>3016937 In Shitmerrica, perhaps, and even then I'm doubtful. Not in the UK, it was gay men all the way.

19 hours later 3017579 MatchuTiger
>>3016937 >no one has ever been for gay rights if it wasnt for those trannies. >gays are terrible people Please stop huffing gasoline; you get all confused when you do.

19 hours later 3017586 Anonymous
>>3016937 Homosexuality got decriminalised in the UK 2 years before Stonewall.

19 hours later 3017597 Anonymous
>>3016928 If Scotland leaves the UK, they're screwed. Besides their North Sea oil/gas reserves which should hold out for about another 20 years, what exactly is their economy? Shortbread? Tartan? They rely on massive subsidies from London's immense wealth and also if they leave the UK, the EU won't have them as they'll get veto'd in case Catalonia gets any ideas. If they're not in the EU they won't be part of the Schengen area and if they're not in the UK they'll have to renegotiate being part of the Common Travel Area between UK and Ireland (if they're allowed back in at all) which effectively means they'll have border controls and need passports to leave Scotland for anywhere. Scots need to get over their stupid Braveheart complex and sit down and have a cost-benefit analysis. >inb4 parallels to trans people with the LGBT movement

19 hours later 3017602 Anonymous (paddy-power-stallions-mares.png 484x344 336kB)
>>3016937 Have you been outside recently? Gay people are pretty much accepted in the West. There's pockets of homophobia here and there, but for the most part your average Londoner (for example) likes gay people and is broadly supportive of gay marriage and is usually friends with about 8 homos. The same cannot be said for trans people. Paddy Power's "Stallion or Mare" Ascot Ladies Day advert got pulled eventually, but the fact it made it to broadcast and required complaints to go away says a lot. People wouldn't dream of making such a homophobic advert.

19 hours later 3017647 Anonymous
>>3017602 that is kinda my point. the T literately does not drag down the movement but people act like it does. but if gay men were all of a sudden to start to hate trans people enough to make a change in the LGBT acronym i can guarantee it would causes some blow back from other people thinking that LGB were just being winy bitches

19 hours later 3017663 Anonymous
>>3017647 I don't think cishet people would care about it. Most common question from cishets: "So why is T in your acronym? Isn't it different from a sexuality?" T isn't dragging gay people down, I agree, but if LGB decided to kick out T, most people would be broadly supportive. You forget being transphobic is still pretty much accepted. It's not acceptable in media, but as a general social point of view comments like "Your makeup makes you look like a tranny" or "She's so blokey I bet she pees standing up" or "You're going on holiday to Thailand? Watch how you end up sleeping with a tranny" are a-ok.

20 hours later 3017692 Anonymous
>>3016891 Typical /pol/, not knowing the fucking spectrum.

20 hours later 3017697 Anonymous
I think it's a white lesbian thing, frankly.

20 hours later 3017704 Anonymous
>>3017602 >Gay people are pretty much accepted in the West. No more than trannies are.

20 hours later 3017736 Anonymous
>>3016937 Gays and gay rights led to greater acceptance of trans people; not the other way around.

20 hours later 3017739 Anonymous
1. We don't take ftms seriously, and they can't compel us to take them seriously. The concept of ftms doing the same thing to us what transbians do to lesbos is laughable, like a reedy voiced little six year old screaming at a bunch of grown men. 'CALL. ME. BUNSELF!!!!' 2. The gay male 'lifestyle' revolves essentially around cock, libido fulfilment and varying systems of dominance (not a good thing), which ftms cannot fit into at all. Any attempts at doing so result in disaster 3. I'd probably date an mtf before an ftm, no offense 4. A lot of tumblr style ftms genuinely hate men but also hate themselves and are just fat women trying to not get raped again so they'd never fit in anyway

20 hours later 3017740 Anonymous (SAM_0296.jpg 3648x2736 2336kB)
>>3017704 keep telling yourself that. why do you think tumblrinas keep bitching about how mainstream and corporate pride marches are these days?

20 hours later 3017743 Anonymous
>>3017739 #2 is nail on the head sadly i have found the homosexual community to be very reliant and heavy on the Gold star aspect and holding it as a sense of pride like it makes them better than other people. to be fair though with point one i really have not found many transbians (as a whole) who actually hold the beliefs that are portrayed in the lesbian generals which leads me to believe much of it is trolling or arguments that are heavily generalized and said to happen more often than they actually do.

21 hours later 3017943 Anonymous
>>3014896 It's weird that so many transbians want to keep it.

43 hours later 3022175 Anonymous
>>3014447 Weird, I thought it was the other way around. Also, as a 100% gay male, who is repulsed by womens' bodies, I could hang out/ hook up/ enter a serious LTR with a transbro. As long as his personality is masculine.

43 hours later 3022194 Anonymous
>>3014423 btw the full one is LGBTTQQIIPPP+ I fucking shit you not

44 hours later 3022318 Anonymous
>>3017602 >went to watch this advert >mfw it made advertisement because people thought it was hilarious God damn people are children, literally schoolyard tier humor.

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