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2020-03-18 06:32 22003251 Anonymous Ask the Opposite Gender Anything (images.png 225x225 5kB)


1 min later 22003258 Anonymous
Would you be weirded out if a guy wanted to record a porn style interview with you before sex? Or at least pretended to?

5 min later 22003267 Anonymous
>>22003258 Yeh, probs.

6 min later 22003268 Anonymous
>>22003258 Yes.

16 min later 22003281 Anonymous
Guys: say you're with a girl long-distance and things are good at first but you end up not wanting to commit/take her seriously because she doesn't have a permanent job and is not in school, just doesn't have ambition in general (19y/o). You dated 1 year, were "together" for another 1 year but not bf/gf, pretty much just talking casually, stopped seeing each other irl other than once. Now you go on a break because of this for a few months and afterwards you see that she has lost weight & gotten into great shape, has a job now and/or is in school. Is it possible you could get back together and form a real, committed relationship from then on out or is it really unlikely? Basically this is the situation I'm in and I still really want to get back into a serious relationship with this guy but I don't know if he will want to commit to me straight away and things could go back to what we had ~2 years ago. Every time I ask in these threads about him I am told to dump him but he's really great in a lot of ways. I never would have left him for being an 18 y/o with little ambition and a poor mom though! I feel like I have had such little respect for myself throughout this and want to start anew but I don't even think he sees me as relationship material. I try to talk to him about this and he literally will not communicate. I think I am such a tiny part of his life whereas he is a huge part of mine. I could go on and on. idk what to do here... any input is appreciated

19 min later 22003286 Anonymous
how do I stop being an incel

28 min later 22003304 Anonymous
>>22003281 hard to say what made him stop from your post usually lack of ambition is not on top of dhde lists

33 min later 22003312 Anonymous
>>22003281 I feel like lack of ambition could be a legit problem for some people... me sorta included. Sounds like u turned it around tho, g4u, but my gut says there's a a more underlying issue or misconection he can't get over but idk

52 min later 22003336 Anonymous (zomby kitty.jpg 440x500 41kB)
>>22003281 >I try to talk to him about this and he literally will not communicate. If he's not open then he's not open and you have to move on. For what it's worth, I will not date women who don't have ambition. But it sounds like you fixed yourself, so good on you.

1 hours later 22003357 Anonymous
Hi Girls, If you're looking for a hookup on tinder, what initial response do you typically want? Do you actually like creative pickup lines or just a compliment and DTF?

1 hours later 22003392 Anonymous
Talking sexual history here anons. What makes a girl traditional? Being a virgin only? If not, give me a rough body count for 20 or 23. I want a more traditional girl as well but I also am not sure what that is right now.

1 hours later 22003399 Anonymous
>talking with crush >both of us finally getting some mutual feelings out >says he'd rather not let anything develop in order to preserve our friendship; then says he sees potential in us developing a relationship >in that order what did he mean by this fellas how do you simultaneously curve and proposition someone?

1 hours later 22003411 Anonymous
>>22003392 >What makes a girl traditional? Being a virgin only? For practical purposes, yes. She should wait until marriage (as should you). Note that this doesn't necessarily mean she has to be a virgin--there are cases where she could have done everything right on her end but would still be a nonvirgin. For example, if she waited until marriage and the guy either died or turned out to be a scumbag (the latter assuming that she wasn't impulsive about getting married to him), she would be morally no less worthy than a girl waiting until marriage with no prior experience. Of course, for young adults, it's going to be exceedingly rare to find someone who isn't a virgin but still holds to the requisite morals.

2 hours later 22003504 Anonymous
cute girls who supervise self-checkouts, how can i ask you out?

2 hours later 22003518 Anonymous
>>22003411 >Of course, for young adults, it's going to be exceedingly rare to find someone who isn't a virgin but still holds to the requisite morals. I'm still fully convinced there was never any "traditional pure waifu" that is idealized so much these days. It all comes down to opportunity. Even 20 years ago, it was harder just because… you had to meet somehow, and that limited the pool of people, while making sure you almost always had a vague relation to that person. Doing anything meant people could know, and it created a different kind of risk, while being more effort than it was worth. And that's it. That's the only reason we are the way we are today, and why we are different than we were 50 years ago. And we weren't even that different - Look at ancient Rome and Greece. About as bad as we are today, but people just gloss over that as if it didn't happen. There is nothing "traditional" about the pure virgin wife. Maybe in some shithole country where they marry off children, but not in any country where basic human rights is a thing. You might find that pure virgin wife, because they do exist for sure, but they aren't traditional in any stretch of the word. From a biological standpoint, there is no real difference between men on women on that front. We all desire sex to some degree, assuming we are healthy individuals, and we all have a natural urge to go breed, and you can be absolutely sure that we never had a society where women waited for that perfect husband. That's just not possible with how fickle and indecisive men are, and how easily they change their mind on things, so because of that, the trigger to "be pure for that 1 specific guy" isn't real. It's a modern invention, just like the idea that men shouldn't have too many partners, that we are starting to see pop up. Tinder hookups aren't the "new thing" - It simply makes the process that has been around for thousands of years be that much easier. The virgin spouse is the new thing.

2 hours later 22003521 Anonymous (1583540754450.jpg 990x990 184kB)
How do I stop acting like a fucking child when I I can't have the girl I'm into right now? Bae is coming over in a few hours but I'm still stomping my feet and crying that I can't hug her right now instead of later.

2 hours later 22003524 Anonymous
>>22003258 >Recorded My greatest fear. I hope that I never meet a guy who suggests this, or worse, does it without my knowledge.

2 hours later 22003537 Anonymous
>>22003399 Probably means purely a friendship. I had a guy string me along like that as well. In all likelihood, you have some flaws he cannot overlook, so this is basically him saying "I like you, but I can't deal with your flaws, and it would not be fair to tell you to change them, so let's stay friends, and if your issues go away, we can be a couple". For me, it was my crippling social anxiety that was the problem, and while it didn't show much around him, he didn't want to be more than friends.

2 hours later 22003560 Anonymous
Are girls normal people like guys?

2 hours later 22003561 Anonymous
>>22003399 I'm a guy and >>22003537 sounds like a good analysis. I've been friendly with girls and liked being with them, talking and hanging around, and could almost imagine being in a relationship with them. But here's been one or two big things which didn't click well and I haven't wanted to pursue anything. I'm also way too picky for my own good. I wouldn't necessarily take it as a reflection on yourself, not that it sounds like you are.

2 hours later 22003573 Anonymous
>>22003518 >I'm still fully convinced there was never any "traditional pure waifu" that is idealized so much these days. Don't confuse standards with human nature. If humans were naturally good, standards would serve no additional purpose. But humans aren't naturally good; most aren't naturally bad, either, with the majority of people who have ever existed and ever will exist falling in between the two poles. People are generally amoral, and left to their own devices they will simply do what is popular and convenient. That's where moral standards come into play, by artificially giving an edge to good behavior where none would otherwise exist. What we have today isn't a phase transition in human nature--we're no more or less corrupt than before--but rather a breakdown in enforcement of moral standards, with the obvious result that people are less inclined to the erstwhile encouraged behavior. >be pure for that 1 specific guy I would say that they should save themselves for the ideal of marriage rather than for a specific person. That is, the abstract ideal should guide behavior so that a given situation, in practice, works out. For example, if someone saved themselves for their marriage, then by definition they'd give themselves only to their spouse. But turning it into an issue of saving oneself for a specific person loses generality and also encourages presumption or hasty decisions, like having sex before marriage with that specific person because you think you'll be "together forever". >The virgin spouse is the new thing. Completely false, both as a standard and in practice. The standards were far more common and enforced in the past as compared to today,

2 hours later 22003615 Anonymous
>>22003561 It's not even necessarily that it is about being picky. It can be things like... family situation being messed up, future uncertain, or whatever. Sometimes, there are very valid reasons for why you don't want a proper relationship with someone. >I wouldn't necessarily take it as a reflection on yourself, not that it sounds like you are. It's never a fun situation, but it's a bit of a mixed bag. I'm happy he didn't take advantage of me, but I'm not happy about being strung along without being given a clear answer. And like the OP worded it, that's the definition of stringing along someone, and I don't really see that as a good solution. It just becomes a "make up your mind" situation.

2 hours later 22003647 Anonymous
>>22003573 >Completely false, both as a standard and in practice. The standards were far more common and enforced in the past as compared to today, Yeah, because of slavery and abuse. That's not a standard we want to idealize. You know that DISNEY is the one who made this "True love" ideal a thing, right? Obviously variations existed before, but if you look into those stories prior to Disney, they tend to be viewed and portrayed as still being fickle, stupid, naive, dangerous, and generally bound to end in disaster. The idea that sex itself means something on the almost divinely moral level, is almost funny. Such an arbitrary thing to make the end-all-be-all, don't you think? Why not a kiss? Why not intimacy in general? Why not cuddling and close hugs? Why not having children? Why *specifically* sex? Because in my experience, sex isn't actually all that meaningful compared to any of the other things. Perhaps that's my perspective as a woman who finds the idea of sex and that pleasure pretty meh, but it's very clearly a man-thing to consider sex to be such an extremely important aspect to a relationship. I think you are also conflating "encouraged and good behavior" with your own warped idea of what the ideal behavior is. You aren't the arbiter of what is "good behavior", and while we can certainly agree that depravity isn't good in any way, shape or form, it's a bit presumptuous to pretend that you know better. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle, and is never tied to religion (Of which marriage is - Purely a religious concept). Sharing of assets is a legal matter which should be encouraged to protect each other, but that's not what marriage is about. You wouldn't consider co-ownership of a company "marriage", but that's also sharing assets and being economically tied to each other. It's just worth keeping in mind. There isn't any one clear "true way" to do things, and tradition is not a good thing to go on, because our traditions are NOT good.

3 hours later 22003655 Anonymous
>>22003399 >>22003537 >>22003615 Means that you're going after Chads who are way out of your league. It's easier than ever before to get a bf since most guys are killing themselves over loneliness due to the 80/20 rule.

3 hours later 22003691 Anonymous
>>22003647 >sex isn't actually all that meaningful compared to any of the other things HAHAHAHAHAHA Kill yourself, idiot. Sex is the most intimate thing ever in the world because it leads to the birth of another human being. Jesus Christ, your roastie brain receptors must be burned through from all the cum you've swallowed over the years.

3 hours later 22003706 Anonymous
>>22003647 > because of slavery and abuse Feminist nonsense. Neither were encouraged in relationships in the West for at least the past thousand years. This only makes sense as an argument if one uses the circular reasoning of defining the dynamics of past relationships as 'abusive' or 'slavery'. >Such an arbitrary thing >Why *specifically* sex? Are you joking? Yes, why bother making it the behavior which is ultimately responsible for life in addition to being connected to many of the actions within life as a result? You can't get somebody pregnant with a hug. You can't easily define "intimacy". You don't see mentally healthy people dedicating their lives to the pursuit of platonic embraces. Sex, by its direct association with reproduction, is far more central to human existence and society than any of your other examples. All you're doing is intellectualizing yourself into knots and missing the obvious. It's like how a word sounds silly if you repeat it out loud over and over again, by focusing on sound rather than meaning. >You aren't the arbiter of what is "good behavior" I'm not interested in this sophistry. Given a desired goal, there are going to be objectively better and worse ways of reaching said end state. This has nothing to do with me or any other individual, and that is the entire point of a standard: its objectivity. >tradition is not a good thing to go on, because our traditions are NOT good. If you're going to say "everything is subjective, you can't define anything", then you can't turn around and shit on another "subjective" opinion. I freely admit my ultimate values are arbitrary, but the way I could go about fulfilling them has an objective structure to it. If one values stability and happiness as I do, then it is a simple fact that sexual restraint, or being colloquially "trad" (meaningless as that term may be), is a better choice than the alternative when it comes to relationships.

3 hours later 22003732 Anonymous
Good morning to all femanons. Right now I'm freaking out because of the simp meme that has lately appeared, since I am pretty sure it applies to me. I have a huge crush on this girl I met at university and despite the fact she already has a boyfriend I really like talking with her. I've helped her in the past by my own initiative by helping her study for the exams, by torrenting books/films for her and in general by encouraging her. I avoid giving her empty compliments, but occasionally when she self deprecates I tell her I think she is beautiful. It's not like I'm interested only in sex, I genuinely like her personality, but I'm aware that 'objectively' I've done more for her than she has done for me. Am I being creepy/pathetic? Do you think it's probable she has noticed that I like her? If so, how much likely is it that she's disgusted by my behavior?

3 hours later 22003739 Anonymous
>>22003732 She will just keep using you until school ends. Girls don't feel any sympathy for guys like you.

4 hours later 22003744 Anonymous
>>22003732 I don't think you are being creepy but know now that are are 100% in the friend zone if not being taken advantage of. If you want an actual shot at a relationship with her you need to step back. Trying to put myself in her shoes, I really can't see myself being this intimate with a straight guy while in a relationship. I have guy friends and if I were to be self-deprecating to them they'd probably just ignore me or call me on my attempt at fishing for compliments. I doubt she's disgusted by you, although if she is NOT aware you like her then I don't think she could ever imagine yourself with you. And if she can tell you have feelings then she is really lame to both you and her bf. Would you want to date a girl who knowingly has orbiters and hangs out with them? You cannot let yourself be in the friend zone, I'm not saying you have to confess your feelings for her but really, don't involve yourself in her life this much man.

4 hours later 22003753 Anonymous
>>22003691 >Missing the point completely, ignoring the context and outright mentioning of birth being meaningful, and calling names Had no idea people that this low IQ posted here.

4 hours later 22003755 Anonymous (IMG_20200316_201825_846.jpg 364x485 22kB)
How do you gals/guys look for local events/places to meet people? I have been reccomended Howlr but a furry catfished me once and now I'm unsure about hanging out with them.

4 hours later 22003756 Anonymous
>>22003753 You're not even saying anything. Fuck off.

4 hours later 22003759 Anonymous
>>22003706 >Feminist nonsense Absolutely not. It was extremely common for rape to lead to "marriage" against the will of the woman. Read up on history. >Are you joking? Yes, why bother making it the behavior which is ultimately responsible for life in addition to being connected to many of the actions within life as a result? You can't get somebody pregnant with a hug. You can't easily define "intimacy". You don't see mentally healthy people dedicating their lives to the pursuit of platonic embraces. Sex, by its direct association with reproduction, is far more central to human existence and society than any of your other examples. That would make sense, IF people weren't abusing protection so much. Because what you are saying here, pregnancy, means that you are talking specifically about the point I made, that you conveniently ignored: >Why not having children? Because by your own words, pregnancy is the key factor to why sex is important, not the sex itself. So why is sex, and not pregnancy, the important thing? Because you are completely ignoring the fact that 99% of all sex in todays world is not with the goal of having children, so by definition, it doesn't fall under this criteria of importance that you claim it does. You are tunneling on the wrong aspect. This is like saying inhaling is important to keeping you alive, when that's wrong - Oxygen is important, not the act of breathing. Birth is important, not the act of having sex. >If one values stability and happiness as I do, then it is a simple fact that sexual restraint, or being colloquially "trad" (meaningless as that term may be), is a better choice than the alternative when it comes to relationships. Imagine seriously claiming happiness is only possible through sexual restraint. This is such a laughable idea. You seriously need to find yourself other goals in life that isn't based on something as simple and pointless as that. If sex is your determining factor in happiness, you have issues.

4 hours later 22003767 Anonymous
>>22003732 >when she self deprecates I tell her I think she is beautiful. Yeah, never do this. As much as I'd love to be proven wrong about my own self-image, this is the wrong way to go about it. This type of mentality is toxic, and breeds the wrong kind of affection. You will always just be the ego-stroker. The "simp" meme is retarded, some of what you do is perfectly fine, and keeping track of who does more in a potential relationship is stupid, and doesn't really matter at the end of the day. Some have more to give than others, that's not inherently bad. But you are setting yourself up in the wrong way with the behavior you describe here. Creepy/pathetic is a reaction you elicit by being interested, while acting like you are trying to hide it. You need to be more overt and obvious about your attraction and interest. The way you make a girl *feel* beautiful, is by making your attraction clear, not by telling her she is beautiful when she calls herself ugly.

4 hours later 22003768 Anonymous
>>22003691 >Sex is the most intimate thing ever in the world because it leads to the birth of another human being You do understand that humans do not only have reproductive sex but also have sex for fun right? And actually the vast majority of the sex you'll ever have in a relationship will not be reproductive sex but sex for fun, and knowingly so, unless you want to have sex for a couple days a month, and only the few times in your life you'll try to have children and never again.

4 hours later 22003769 Anonymous
>>22003756 Neither are you, so I guess we are even. At least I read the post I responded to, unlike you.

4 hours later 22003779 Anonymous (EQur65uUcAIpZkW.png 300x396 48kB)
>>22003706 >If one values stability and happiness as I do, then it is a simple fact that sexual restraint, or being colloquially "trad" (meaningless as that term may be), is a better choice than the alternative when it comes to relationships. >Happiness and stability is only possible through "sexual restraint" and being "trad" Or, you know, you get yourself a stable life through a proper and safe income stream, home, safeties in case anything goes wrong, and build stability that way, and focus on hobbies and interests that makes you happy. I guess if you are such a cumbrain that sex is the only possible thing that can make you happy, then alright, all power to you. That just seems pretty pathetic.

4 hours later 22003790 Anonymous
>>22003755 I usually look at local hobby groups, and find something that catches my interest. Though as a "gal", it's a lot easier to find hobbies that include a lot of guys. Not quite sure which hobbies are good for guys to meet girls, to be honest. Most of my hobbies are male oriented, it seems.

4 hours later 22003793 Anonymous
>>22003755 I see people recommend Meetups often but DESU it's shit in my area; there's too many "learn to flip houses!!! 50's or over singles mixer!!!" -type things, or it's the same 3-5 people meeting up at a bar every week, or the group stopped/never started scheduling events. I'd also love to hear how other people find events and places.

4 hours later 22003800 Anonymous
>>22003793 It's shit everywhere. Never go for those things. I tried it too, and it's awful. Stick to common hobby groups like cooking, sports of some kind, or even the nerdy ones. They are much better at finding people. Though note that certain nerdy groups, especially things like Pen and paper, or worse, live action roleplay, tends to have quite the nasty sluts in terms of girls.

4 hours later 22003803 Anonymous
>>22003800 >stick to common hobby groups Well, that's the issue, where do I find them? Tabletop and PnP are obvious, just go to a local game store, but how would you find e.g. cooking groups that aren't just classes? Or is that what you meant?

4 hours later 22003821 Anonymous
>>22003803 >Well, that's the issue, where do I find them? Tabletop and PnP are obvious, just go to a local game store, but how would you find e.g. cooking groups that aren't just classes? Or is that what you meant? More or less. I don't know how well your local community is, but my city outright promotes and gives a small monetary bonus to the hobby groups, if they put their group on a contact list for other people to find. It means we have this huge list of like 200 different things you can try out, which is literally anything from a gun-nut group, to flower caretaking, to PnP, and even the more niche sports like Archery and HEMA.

4 hours later 22003831 Anonymous
>>22003803 Some advertise as "classes", but most require payment regardless. It's often not all that expensive though (Average cost for the groups where I live is about 30ish dollar equivalent annually). Alternatively, I can strongly recommend voluntary work. I know someone who got married to someone she met through an animal shelter she volunteered at. As long as you avoid the places with nothing but old people, this is a no-strings-attached workplace, so the usual rules of "don't shit where you eat" is never really a problem.

4 hours later 22003840 Anonymous
>>22003655 >Means that you're going after Chads who are way out of your league. Would be great if literally any other guy had ever shown even a friendly interest in me, then. Strange to catch the friendly attention of a "Chad" and not a single non-"Chad"... He was also pretty bad with women. He got married, but he was only ever with that 1 woman. Chad has a pretty blurry meaning at this point. It's starting to feel like it basically means "guy that any other guy feels jealous of", without having any relation to how they are viewed by girls.

4 hours later 22003844 Anonymous
How do I deal with a clingy gf? I'm male and we've been together for only a month but she's gotten super clingly. Can't sleep if we don't stay in call 24/7 and one time when I wanted alone time she freaked out and said she "wasn't all right with that." She will say one thing and then say the opposite, and then switch back once she realizes I didn't like what she said. It's nearly impossible to know what she really means anymore. How do I set boundaries without her freaking out, or is she just crazy.

4 hours later 22003850 Anonymous
>>22003844 This was directed at girls mainly because I wanted some insight. Guys who've been through same can pitch in too.

4 hours later 22003856 Anonymous
>>22003844 Insecure people are never good dating material. They always act up like this. You need to sit her down and explain boundaries, but do it calmly, don't act like you are aggressive or being "angry with her", and never raise your voice no matter how she reacts, and keep a smile if possible. Go in knowing that she has a high chance of having a meltdown. This is generally why the common advice for everybody, from both genders, is "don't date insecure people, and run if they show signs of being insecure". Shit like >when I wanted alone time she freaked out and said she "wasn't all right with that." Should be an instant break-up reason for anyone.

4 hours later 22003858 Anonymous
>>22003844 yeah I'm a girl and honestly she sounds insane. Maybe a girl can be really clingy like that and be aware of it and try to change but it sounds she can't even be reasoned with. And just one month in?? At least she's showing you her true colors soon... she genuinely sounds like she needs mental help, I would not stick around after just 1 month, if anything breaking up might be a wake up call, god forbid she thinks she's being cute

4 hours later 22003861 Anonymous
>>22003759 >It was extremely common for rape to lead to "marriage" First of all, I'm talking about the West in particular, not tribal shitholes. On the whole, in the majority of these societies, the rape itself was even a capital offense. Secondly, don't narrow your focus--to take a fringe minority of cases which are obviously despicable in no way translates to making the entire foundation of past moral codes "slavery and abuse". That's what I called out as complete bullshit. >pregnancy is the key factor to why sex is important You are missing the point. I'm saying that the biological imperative is reproduction, and as a result sex, not 'hugs' or some other nonsense, takes up a central position in human life. This position has numerous aspects, too many to cover in a 4chan post. But suffice it to say that, when talking about relationships, sex is far more influential and concrete than anything else you've listed. You ask, why is it "important"? Importance, in this case, is something that both affects the quality of a relationship and which can be regulated--which sexual behavior undoubtedly does and is. This obviously doesn't exclude other factors (i.e. emotional infidelity, for example, is still wrong). >Imagine seriously claiming happiness is only possible through sexual restraint. I didn't. I did say that a stable and happy relationship is more readily obtainable through sexual restraint than without it. Which is a fact.

4 hours later 22003863 Anonymous
>>22003779 See above. There are myriad situations the value lens of "stability and happiness" could be applied to. If you weren't an illiterate monkey, you would have read the rest of the sentence and seen the clause "when it comes to relationships". Too restate that so your smoothbrain can comprehend it, that means stability and happiness *within a relationship* will be better served by restraint, not that the only way to get stability and/or happiness is by putting yourself in a chastity cage. And yes, the nature and timing of sex is pretty important to regulating behavior in a relationship. Only an utter dipshit would confuse this with equating sex and happiness. I won't bother with the rest of your post because it's based on your misunderstanding of my position.

5 hours later 22003872 Anonymous
>>22003856 Yeah I did just that. She said she was sorry and that she was fine with it, but her actions always speak differently. Within the same convo she said "maybe you should just find a girl who's stupid and will agree with you on everything." >>22003858 She is definitely aware of it and says she wants me to help her set boundaries, but then she freaks out if I do. So worried to do anything it's like i'm walking on eggshells.

5 hours later 22003893 Anonymous
>>22003861 >First of all, I'm talking about the West in particular >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist ory_of_rape#Ancient_Rome It was LITERALLY seen as only rape in case of important people in good standing, and was EXTREMELY common throughout Europes history. The law was technically against it, and made it a terrible crime.. but most judges by all accounts, didn't actually uphold the law, and was very selective about when they wanted to punish people, and who was assigned the blame. Meanwhile, it was VERY common for the original settlers on America to rape the Indians, so this has been pervasive throughout the entire history of the western world. But sure, rewrite history and pretend this never happened. Whatever suits your own made up narrative with no basis in history. >But suffice it to say that, when talking about relationships, sex is far more influential and concrete than anything else you've listed So sex is more important than pregnancy and childbirth (Things I explicitly listed), because…? Because that seems to be your stance right now, which makes absolutely no sense. I didn't. I did say that a stable and happy relationship is more readily obtainable through sexual restraint than without it. Which is a fact. Not what you said, but alright, terrible wording I suppose.

5 hours later 22003898 Anonymous
>>22003863 >Makes a retarded statement >Backtracks and rewords his retarded statement to have an entirely different meaning >Calls others a smoothbrain You could have just said "Shit, sorry, I meant [x]" and left it at that, but you had to act like exactly like the picture I posted. Good job going out of your way to prove how retarded you are.

5 hours later 22003901 Anonymous
Girls, thank you for making yoga challenge videos!

5 hours later 22003907 Anonymous
>>22003872 >Yeah I did just that. She said she was sorry and that she was fine with it, but her actions always speak differently. Within the same convo she said "maybe you should just find a girl who's stupid and will agree with you on everything." I am not sure you can fix this, to be honest. There is only so much you can do, and people like this needs a rough awakening, and you can't do that as long as you put up with her. I've dealt with guys with a similar'ish behavior, and they CAN fix themselves, but not with you. You will always be the person she could bully around and get to accept her shitty behavior. This is just how insecure people are, and why you should as a rule of thumb avoid them.

5 hours later 22003913 Anonymous
>>22003901 >Implying any of us would make a video of ourselves in compromising poses, and then go on to post on an anonymous board

5 hours later 22003919 Anonymous
I have reasons why I don't want to go into a longterm relationship right now, but I'm at a point with a guy where I'm wondering what to really do... >Dad is useless, drug addict deadbeat, currently in prison, and I plan on moving back to my mother once my university degree is done in 2 years. Mother lives very, very far away >Good friends with this guy. Technically solid friendzone, but lately it has become a bit too much for me to really ignore I just can't stay. He knows, and we cannot be together in the long term no matter what, because he wont leave his family, and I want to be reunited with mine. He's pushing very hard for something, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to ignore, because I DO like him, but I don't love him to the point where I am ready to give up my family for it. So I need to know from you guys what would be the best for him; >Just give in and be with him for these 2 years >Keep him at arms length and insist staying platonic It's getting difficult for me because I do kinda want to just let it happen, knowing full well it will have to end in 2 years… I'm just not sure if that's in his best interest, and I don't want to do this if it risks ruining him going forward. He is kind of the shy and rather awkward type of guy…

5 hours later 22003928 Anonymous
>>22003893 I said in the past thousand years, i.e. referring to Christianity and the associated system. And again, pointing to a very narrow subset of marriages, which itself is a subset of a capital crime, has no bearing whatsoever on the overall foundation of past morality. Remember, your claim was, and I quote, that the standards of a virgin spouse (i.e. waiting until marriage) were more common in the past "because of slavery and abuse" Which is 100% categorical bullshit, with no justification whatsoever besides the latest half-baked ideological pretenses you shit out on a whim. >it was VERY common for the original settlers on America to rape the Indians And what does this have to do with marital standards? I'm not interested in hearing leftist whinging about evil whitey. It's irrelevant to the topic at hand. If it were up to me, I'd have every rapist shot (and mind you, punishment of wartime rape has a long history among Europeans), but this has nothing to do with your original nonsensical claim. >>22003898 I'm not "backtracking" on anything. I'm correcting you because you're an illiterate fucktard. Read my post again, you blithering idiot: >is a better choice than the alternative when it comes to relationships. >when it comes to relationships. Now, tell me, how can this possibly mean that I believe "sex is the only possible thing that can make you happy"? I won't 'apologize' for anything, because you're the one being a fucking retard and doubling down on it just because you want to argue. You don't even know what you're arguing, you colossal dumbass.

5 hours later 22003971 Anonymous
>>22003928 You are showing a staggering lack of knowledge about the past. If we shot any rapist or descendant of them, half the population of the western world would disappear. This has nothing to do with your retarded race argument you strawmanned. You are also categorically ignoring how must "marriages" where rife with marital rape, and that wasn't seen as a crime until VERY recently. Most weren't "happily married", not outside of the men who had the power to do whatever they fuck they wanted. That wasn't healthy relationships, but that's the type of shit you are advocating for. The point is that there is nothing traditional about your silly idealized "innocent pure waifu". We very recently have seen some very nice and ideal types of marriages, but those aren't traditional. Your appeal to history makes you look like an idiot, because history did NOT look like you think it did. This is a new thing that crept up, and I'm not sure why you are so adamant on insisting this is in any way "traditional" and something with a long history.

5 hours later 22003973 Anonymous
>>22003919 >i don't love him enough to stay here No shit, you guys haven't even started dating yet. Look, the thing about relationships is that there's never going to be the "right" time. There's always something at least a little bit inconvenient about dating someone else. Over the years the only thing I've learned is that if you and someone have mutual feelings for each other you shouldn't ignore it. It doesn't come along as often as you think, and turning opportunity down when it comes knocking is a great way to spend the rest of your life wondering. The second part of my argument here is that you've got 2 years. Two years is a long time in relationship terms. Maybe you guys don't even make it that far. Maybe you don't even make it past the first few dates. You don't know and you're committing the cardinal sin of playing out the entire relationship before it's even begun and using that as proof that things can't work. If you like this guy and he likes you then you shouldn't walk away from it. It's not like you could keep him at arms length for two whole years. He's going to come to resent you for it and move on eventually, and you'll be the one who has ended up getting burnt by it.

6 hours later 22003978 Anonymous
>>22003928 >Read my post again, you blithering idiot:>is a better choice than the alternative when it comes to relationships.>when it comes to relationships.Now, tell me, how can this possibly mean that I believe "sex is the only possible thing that can make you happy"? Okay then: >If you're going to say "everything is subjective, you can't define anything", then you can't turn around and shit on another "subjective" opinion. I freely admit my ultimate values are arbitrary, but the way I could go about fulfilling them has an objective structure to it. If one values stability and happiness as I do, then it is a simple fact that sexual restraint, or being colloquially "trad" (meaningless as that term may be), is a better choice than the alternative when it comes to relationships. So you are saying, extremely explicitly, that the only way to be happy, is to have sexual restraints when it comes to relationships. AKA, relationships with sexual restraint, is a requirement for your happiness and stability. Your words, directly. Is making up your own definition of how English works a pastime of yours? Do you want to keep being a little faggot who keeps screaming and kicking like a child while calling other people names? Because then I'm done with this. Not arguing with idiots with no self-awareness.

6 hours later 22003979 Anonymous
>>22003928 But slavery and abuse is exactly the reason. A woman could not get a good job that let her live independently. If she made money somehow, that money was considered not her property, so she could not use to make her own life alone. A woman could not initiate divorce and get away from an abusive husband, only if she didn't want to have sex she had no right to enforce her will, her husband could rape her legally. Slavery and abuse is the reason why men long for "traditional" marriage, they want to enslave and abuse women again.

6 hours later 22003986 Anonymous
>>22003973 >No shit, you guys haven't even started dating yet. Forgot to mention we have been friends for a solid 8 years, and supported each other through quite some hard and rough times. Had I had my family here, I would absolutely have gone for it without a shred of hesitation. >The second part of my argument here is that you've got 2 years. Two years is a long time in relationship terms. Maybe you guys don't even make it that far. Maybe you don't even make it past the first few dates. You don't know and you're committing the cardinal sin of playing out the entire relationship before it's even begun and using that as proof that things can't work. That's a good point... I admit, I'm probably thinking a bit too long term in general. I haven't even had 1 relationship so far, so I guess I figured… we are very good friends, so why not more? Why wouldn't it work? But I guess I'm getting a bit ahead of myself there. I'll mull it over a bit, and then consider how to have that talk. Thank you!

6 hours later 22003997 Anonymous
>>22003928 >And again, pointing to a very narrow subset of marriages, which itself is a subset of a capital crime, has no bearing whatsoever on the overall foundation of past morality. That's not what that anon did. It was pointing out how marital rape was extremely common, and that women basically had no rights. Did you read the wikipage and associated sources that was linked? It's so common to have this awfully idealized image of how medieval times worked, but I suppose it would look like a wonderful dream to a guy. Imagine having the "traditional" marriage, where you had 100% control over everything, and what was essentially a slave who had no voice. That does sound pretty nice for someone with 0 social skills who can't deal with others having expectations for them.

6 hours later 22004000 Anonymous
>>22003986 >Forgot to mention we have been friends for a solid 8 years, and supported each other through quite some hard and rough times. Romantic relationships are something else entirely. I love my best friend like a brother, but when he was considering moving overseas for work last year I wasn't going to go with him or anything. If my gf wanted to move for work I would consider going with her, and I've known her for considerably less time than I've known him. You can't even compare friendship to dating when we're talking about types of love. It doesn't surprise me that you've never been in a relationship before. >we are very good friends, so why not more? Translating a long term friendship into a relationship isn't all that simple. It can and does work, it's just not as straight forward as you're imagining. It's not a case of just adding sex to what you've got now. Dating adds a layer of complexity and reward that doesn't always go so smoothly. >getting a bit ahead of myself Way ahead of yourself. I know how easy it is to play out your whole relationship with someone. I think most of us do it when we're considering getting into something, especially if you're in your 20s and dating runs more serious. But you have to reject the impulse. It does more harm than good. The imagined course you have for this relationship is just so far from what it would really be like that you can't make a fair decision about the relationship based on an early guess like this.

6 hours later 22004005 Anonymous
>>22004000 roastie lies, you'd fuck chad without any relationship 15 minutes after meeting him.

6 hours later 22004006 Anonymous
>>22003856 >Insecure people are never good dating material. They always act up like this. Just wanted to point out it isn't always like this. I know a guy who is definitely very insecure, and is generally pretty depressed, and he doesn't act like a bitch on top of it. Being an obsessive and controlling person has nothing to do with being insecure. It often coincides, but it isn't the things you need to look out for. >This is generally why the common advice for everybody, from both genders, is "don't date insecure people, and run if they show signs of being insecure". Shit like >when I wanted alone time she freaked out and said she "wasn't all right with that." This might come off as insecure, and it is a symptom of it, perhaps, but this behavior isn't inherent to all insecure people. This is inherent to people with mental issues and social disorders, who doesn't function unless they are the center of the universe. It's important to split those things apart, especially because a lot of shy introverts can come off as very insecure, while never being anywhere close to being as obsessive as the type of girl this anon is dealing with.

6 hours later 22004012 Anonymous
>>22004000 >You can't even compare friendship to dating when we're talking about types of love. It doesn't surprise me that you've never been in a relationship before. Whelp, glad I asked here then. I felt clueless before, now I'm almost worried of what I'm getting myself into… >Way ahead of yourself. I know how easy it is to play out your whole relationship with someone. I think most of us do it when we're considering getting into something, especially if you're in your 20s and dating runs more serious. But you have to reject the impulse. It does more harm than good. The imagined course you have for this relationship is just so far from what it would really be like that you can't make a fair decision about the relationship based on an early guess like this. It's not even really an impulse. It's the result of several months of consideration, and the nagging "what-if"'s aren't going away. That's why I wanted to get some input on whether this was a good idea or not. Now I'm just even more unsure of whether I should do this or not. Might be a good idea to have the experience, but again, I really, really don't want this to end up hurting him, and now I don't even feel confident about being able to not mess this up....

6 hours later 22004023 Anonymous
>>22004012 >worrie of what I'm getting myself into Relationships are the most rewarding hard work you will ever do. >It's the result of several months of consideration, and the nagging "what-if"'s aren't going away. What you're doing is the equivalent of trying to figure out every chess move before the game has even begun. >Now I'm just even more unsure My position is still that you should. Refer back to what I said earlier: being in a situation where you and someone else have mutual feelings for each other is a rarity. Consider all the people who have met in your life up until this point, and then consider how many of them you've had feelings for who've also had feelings for you. >good idea to have the experience It is. There are certain things in life that cannot be accurately told, only experienced. Romantic love is one of those things. Even if this relationship doesn't work out in the long term, the life lessons are extremely valuable. >don't want this to end up hurting him Life hurts sometimes. You cannot protect yourself or others from it absolutely. >don't even feel confident about being able to not mess this up You're doing it again. You're assuming the whole relationship will fail before you've even dipped a toe in the water. Relationships may be hard work but it's work we're hard-wired to do. A lot of it will come naturally and the things you've already learned throughout your life about social behaviours will fill in the rest of the gaps. It's only hard work in the sense that you can't/shouldn't throw away a relationship the moment you two have a fight or things get hard.

6 hours later 22004025 Anonymous
>>22004023 >love Bluepiller

6 hours later 22004027 Anonymous (Pdc6MEc.jpg 522x350 25kB)
>>22004005 >>22004025

6 hours later 22004030 Anonymous
>>22004027 lmao go back to 2015 vaginanigger

6 hours later 22004032 Anonymous
>>22004025 Sorry you've never been in love.

6 hours later 22004034 Anonymous (9jVqFje.jpg 1280x720 438kB)
>>22004030

6 hours later 22004037 Anonymous (giphy20.gif 250x214 2099kB)
>>22004034 Y E S >>22004032 it's just chemicals. vagina tingles you whores feel around Chad

6 hours later 22004041 Anonymous
>>22004037 >it's just chemicals. vagina tingles you whores feel around Chad >Chad >Orbiting a single girl for 8 years, despite knowing she is leaving him in 2 years no matter what, is being a Chad What does Chad even mean at this point?

6 hours later 22004044 Anonymous
>>22004041 top 20% male. 6'5, 7/10 face. The only type of male women are attracted to.

6 hours later 22004046 Anonymous
>>22004044 >7/10 face You mean +8/10 face. But it is weird how females here pretend that those Chads don't exist when they only get fucked by them, kek.

6 hours later 22004050 Anonymous (1507977632668.png 327x316 192kB)
>>22004046 >He thinks autistic 4chan girls get 8/10 guys

6 hours later 22004052 Anonymous
>>22004037 >it's just chemicals So is all life and function. >you whores I'm a dude who feels sorry for you that you've never been in love.

7 hours later 22004067 Anonymous (Soy+boy+grin_f35656_6529216.jpg 1200x1696 561kB)
>>22004052 >feels sorry for you that you've never been in love

7 hours later 22004079 Anonymous
Girls, do you consider yourself 'normal' compared to others? Males that browse 4chan have several stereotypes associated to us, do you think they also apply to you as well? If I interacted with you on a regular basis for a week, would I be able to guess you are a 4channer?

7 hours later 22004086 Anonymous
>social butterfly girl is always busy (with work) and doesn't spontaneously message me (social retard) Is this common with busy people? I'm not used to this. :( Also, we'll have to wait to have our first date, because of coronavirus.

7 hours later 22004093 Anonymous (SUORCE.png 1152x452 241kB)
Seeing a busy desi chick. We kiss, make out, I suckle her lassi dispensers. But. She keeps saying some Indian term for "Teehee nooo stop ;)" I try to escalate but desu I'm not comfortable because she's saying tee hee no~. Now I know it's not a real "NO", but it still puts me off going further. Should I just push through it? Like take off her clothes and just keep going? I'm fucking confused lads.

7 hours later 22004107 Anonymous
>>22004086 Yeah. I'm an introvert, but if I'm busy, I don't respond either. I can easily go from 8am to 10pm without answering my phone at all unless it's urgent, just because of work.

7 hours later 22004139 Anonymous
Women. Would you commit to a relationship where you had little to no sexual chemistry or legitimate attraction to a guy who is also your longtime best friend?

7 hours later 22004140 Anonymous
>>22004139 No. I would be friends with a guy who was my long time best friend, but if I had no feelings for him beyond friendship I wouldn't pursue a relationship.

7 hours later 22004141 Anonymous (example.png 378x527 455kB)
guys what are your opinion on girls with fat thighs? im scared of wearing shorts because my legs are fat, they look like pic related. should i wear shorts or no?

8 hours later 22004160 Anonymous
>>22004141 This is good, can tell from forearm a bit too much overall bf % for my taste, but the thighs aren't the problem.

8 hours later 22004168 Anonymous
>>22004141 The "fertility goddess" look aka thicc, like in ur pic? Makes most men diamonds, especially in shorts. Actually being a fat piece of shit with elephant legs? Bad in everything.

8 hours later 22004193 Anonymous (a2f.png 532x791 338kB)
>>22004141 wear shorts please. Also consider ending my miserable simping existence between them thanks.

8 hours later 22004195 Anonymous
>>22004141 depends Is it thick thighs or are you actually too fat Pic you posted is sexy af and will turn heads of some dudes, me included. I was once approached at gym by girl with insane hip / waist ratio like that, dhe has also gorgeous face, maybe slightly thinner. Would marry her instantly but she has a bf. Also theres worry from some dudes that girls that are already thick eill blow up in relationship and get obese BUT for some dudes it will be "too fat" Preferences do exist. >shorts cottage cheese thighs is not best look, aka rolls of cellulite You can always consider loosing some weight (which really isnt that difficult if you do it right) but for some people that rabbit hole never ends. Would be legitimately easiest if you posted picture

8 hours later 22004200 Anonymous
>>22004139 No. But generally speaking, sexual attraction comes along if I'm actually romantically interested in someone. It usually goes that way for me every time, but I'm pretty broken in that regard. Paranoia and a general distrust of people makes it hard to really feel attraction before I start feeling safe with them.

8 hours later 22004201 Anonymous (1584357939654.png 737x747 316kB)
How do I turn a girl on when I can't be around her physically? I am talking to this russian girl and she seems unresponsive physically...she also told me that she can't get into someone easily,especially when he lives far away....the thing is that we're both 18 and I have no money to spend on a plane ticket+the airports seem to be under lockdown for quite a bit. Is there a way to push her buttons online? Should I press the fetish button?(she told me about them)

8 hours later 22004205 Anonymous
>>22004201 And no,I do not live far away,I live in Eastern Europe myself

8 hours later 22004207 Anonymous
>>22004139 No. It's a basic requirement to avoid the dreaded "platonic marriage". It would neither be to your benefit, nor to mine.

8 hours later 22004208 Anonymous
>>22004200 >attraction comes along if I'm actually romantically interested in someone. ???!!! If you are romantically interested that is attraction no? Interest without attraction would just be interest, not romantic interest

8 hours later 22004214 Anonymous
>>22004079 >If I interacted with you on a regular basis for a week, would I be able to guess you are a 4channer given that are a "4channer" yourself, maybe but I think it is unlikely. If we were going out though, probably yes as we would by trying to get to know one another quite a bit. I consider myself pretty normal in relation to this website's user base in that I am attractive and have good hygiene, have a few friends irl and am not outwardly edgy. I meet the usual type in that I am am very bad with social interaction and NEET but I like to think that has more to do with my current situation than it being a core part of my personality. I have my own stereotype of women who use 4chan but that is based on those who self-identify as girls (outside this board) so that is probably based off of some of the worst of the bunch. And then again who knows how regularly these women come here, I am 19 been here almost daily since 14 why do you ask anon?

8 hours later 22004217 Anonymous
>>22004208 >If you are romantically interested that is attraction no?Interest without attraction would just be interest, not romantic interest Anon asked about sexual chemistry. You can absolutely be romantically interested with 0 sexual attraction. You can be interested without seeing a person, but you can't be sexually attracted without having SOME idea of how that person looks. Certain personalities help, obviously, but it's kinda required to see the person to be able to tell.

8 hours later 22004222 Anonymous
>>22004217 I had always considered the two as one.

8 hours later 22004224 Anonymous
>>22004208 Not true. I was once pretty heavily involved with a guy online, without either of us ever having seen each other, but simply voicechatting and texting. There was definitely romantic interest going on, but I wouldn't really say there was any sexual attraction. It's hard to really claim that, when we didn't have any tangible picture to put on each other. (And we did this on purpose, for reference, we could obviously have sent pictures, but we had reasons not to)

8 hours later 22004229 Anonymous
>>22004079 I'm definitely not normal. I'm pretty autistic, but that's not really a qualifier for being a 4channer. I do have this annoying habit of bringing up "something I read on this weird website..." Or something in that vein, and then profusely avoiding ever telling people which site it was, even if it makes me look like I made something up.

8 hours later 22004230 Anonymous (1584471801621.png 720x960 599kB)
>>22004214 are you more attractive than this? (she's hot even if she hadn't slept in days) I want to know just how hot you are

8 hours later 22004232 Anonymous
>>22004224 what reasons? paranoia? You

8 hours later 22004234 Anonymous
>>22004224 So where exactly was the romance? How do you define romance? There's something I'm not getting here and I am aware of SIP theory RE: online relationships (though not romantic)

8 hours later 22004236 Anonymous
I've been using tinder/Bumble and ghost always ghost me if I try to talk about a subject or ask about her. The boy thing that works is constant flirting. Are all the girls just sluts or am I crazy for wanting to be friends before getting sexual. I'm a virgin and I'm not looking to jump into sex any time soon.

8 hours later 22004237 Anonymous
>>22004230 idk weird question she is pretty but I would say I have some nicer features (see her lips, nose, eyebrows) overall I don't want to say yes or no with the same amount of makeup I'd be at least comparable

8 hours later 22004239 Anonymous (1581566682662.jpg 1200x392 95kB)
>>22004230 >health workers >hasnt slept for days >this increases risk of getting infected because of reasons shaking my head

8 hours later 22004241 Anonymous
>>22004236 those are hookup apps after all dont look for wife in whorehouse

8 hours later 22004244 Anonymous
>>22004239 As a nurse on a break right now (for another hour or so, where I need to be back), I get why that seems nonsensical to you, but when you have literal thousands of sick people, and only a fraction of the health care workers, you just don't have much of a choice.

8 hours later 22004247 Anonymous
>>22004244 But you have fewer health care workers and more sick ppl with sick nurse

8 hours later 22004248 Anonymous
>>22004241 I thought that's where most people got a bf/gf now? Okay then where I do get a wife material girl? I don't have many friends or connections.

8 hours later 22004249 Anonymous
>>22004244 Hello there,nursie. How's it like being a non-surgeon? I dont even have to work because my speciality is too specific and unrelated to covid

8 hours later 22004251 Anonymous
>Date >Meet girls >Meet one girl in particular, who is very over eager to get into a relationship with me >Sleep with her a couple of times, go to her birthday party, meet her friends >Kinda lose contact after that for a couple of weeks >Get together with another girl, official >Out of the blue first girl texts me So, what should I say to her? Is it okay to tell her over text that I'm not available? Do you think she will be mad? I still have some stuff of hers.

8 hours later 22004254 Anonymous
>>22004201 Find a girl where you live.

8 hours later 22004256 Anonymous
>>22004247 You're not wrong, but that's why we wear those kinds of masks and take insane safety precautions. My hands are taking on a weird hue after so many disinfections. It's just a bit of.. damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either we just let people fend for themselves while we go home and sleep, or we push ourselves beyond what's reasonable, and hope that we can manage through the worst periods for now, and then take the rest later. >>22004249 Honestly? Surprisingly fine. It's extremely busy, but I was a hospital nurse anyway, so work is always busy. Big difference is that people in general are much nicer than normal. At least for me, who is working primarily with the Covid cases. I think a few of the people taking care of the regular patients are suffering a bit though. Haven't had much chances to talk to them, but it seems like people coming in with broken legs and such, doesn't really fully understand how ressource draining this whole thing is for the hospitals, and that makes them pretty angry. I'm slightly concerned for my health, but I've never had any real issues with my health in general, so I should be fine.

8 hours later 22004257 Anonymous
>>22004237 This may sound odd,but I really want to know wether I (19,M) look alright. I don't know where I could ask for that since my family would tell me I'm a 10 while my friends might joke about me being a 3-4. I told a girl that she looked like an 8 once and she told me the same thing,but that was 2 years ago.

8 hours later 22004258 Anonymous
How long was i drugged for?

8 hours later 22004261 Anonymous
>>22004257 well I could rate you if you were willing to post a pic in some way you can always try /soc/ I mean I'd be worried to post a pic online too but on that board there isn't much to worry about

8 hours later 22004264 Anonymous
>>22004256 There aren't even that many cases across the whole US

8 hours later 22004265 Anonymous
I could have missed a week for all I know. If I don't remember then how can I know unless someone tell me? Why would you people fuck with someone over this? Who cares if i disagree with your values?

8 hours later 22004267 Anonymous
>>22004256 Hah,well...I don't know how you can resist talking to all of those people on a daily basis...they are extremely disrespectful towards most of us (even against doctors in here) and they hardly even know any medicine...imagine having a 40 year old man asking you a question from the internet...something like: "So,doc,may you tell me more about the possible effect of the operation on the parotid glans since any error in the surgical process of the facial nerve might incapacitate the glans on top of the risorius muscle?" And I look at them with my eyes wide open and usually give them some sort of super complicated explanation because they piss me off so much. I do find this amount of patience to be highly respectable though.

8 hours later 22004268 Anonymous
>>22004261 this one is from 6 months ago. I don't worry all that much about it.

8 hours later 22004271 Anonymous
>>22004257 reddit/r/rateme

8 hours later 22004272 Anonymous
I like a girl We’ve chatted a few times. First convo: she remembered me from a party six months ago Then: came upto me and complimented me on a performance I did Her dad patted me on the back the other day I was chatting to her one night and I noticed her eyes look down at my shoes and back upto my eyes I sent her a follow request on Instagram and she hasn’t accepted I can see her online and liking mutual friends posts What the heck? I’m crushing really bad on her and I feel like giving up Feels bad I only rushed to send her one on social media because of quarantine I won’t see her for awhile. Her mum is pretty nice to me as well, like nobody knows I have a crush on her so I’m wondering why the cold shoulder? She’s following like 400 random pages on instagram too, it’s really got me confused, should I just move on?

8 hours later 22004274 Anonymous
>>22004264 >There aren't even that many cases across the whole US I'm not in the US. We have passed a thousand cases in my country, and a large chunk of them are going to the hospital I'm at. And I don't know how large you think hospitals are, and how much staff we have, but even a hundred patients is a massive additional workload. Hospitals are almost universally understaffed as it is, and highly stressful to work at as a result. Add 100 on top of that, and you can probably guess how that goes.

8 hours later 22004275 Anonymous
>>22004268 not the best pic but I'd say 7.5, pretty cute. pluck your eyebrows a bit (the bottom where a lot of hairs are stray) >>22004271 guy: 0 responses girl: 200 10/10 responses soc is far superior

8 hours later 22004277 Anonymous
>>22004268 Stop eating oily food get a haircut and you’re fine

8 hours later 22004278 Anonymous
>>22004272 you have to be 18 to post here

8 hours later 22004279 Anonymous
Don't even try to communicate anything cryptically. Either be a man about it (or give up your rights and agency) and tell me directly, or let it die. Seriously this is definitely because of feminists. I guarantee you that's the majority of who's been litterally making light of what happened to me. I would never do that to a man or woman. But feminism fosters misandry, which is a very real thing and it's socially acceptable which is a problem.

8 hours later 22004281 Anonymous
>>22004277 >Stop eating oily food what, is that what your grandma told you causes acne? fucking idiot idk this guys' cause but you are dumb dude

9 hours later 22004284 Anonymous
>>22004275 I do that from time to time...can I be an 8 with some effort? >>22004277 I'm afraid haircuts aren't a thing I'm peculiarly good at >>22004281 I eat a lot of sugar (Chocolate bars,cakes,candies etc.). I do not drink a lot of cokes and shit like that though...and yes,I do wash my face twice a day

9 hours later 22004286 Anonymous
All that shit I said about women being raped isn't my problem was litterally after it happened to me and I didn't even know it, plus the fucking abuse I tolerated because I just thought she was being serious she was a good actress. I think it's hilarious how feminists whine and cry about how much compassion they should get and how men should just be condemned when accused of rape, yet when a man is raped and there's proof and everyone knows, you do nothing. Hopefully a bunch of you have been assaulted and not received justice, you deserve it.

9 hours later 22004289 Anonymous
>>22004284 yes I can see an 8, and like I said that's not a great pic that being said you are definitely cute, I could rate someone else the same and not be attracted to them but I think you are p good looking t.19f also got some great advice on /fa/ skincare threads if you're curious

9 hours later 22004290 Anonymous
>>22004267 Even regular people are generally extremely disrespectful towards us when coming in with relatively minor things, and never seem to know who to direct it at. I've been asked so many times why I am just "running aimlessly around, instead of fixing an injury that a nurse is in no way capable of fixing, that requires a surgeon. Part of why I never care much about the tone here, 4chan is very mild in comparison to the stuff you get called at the ER. At least the patients I've tended to with the COVID-19 are nice, and seem far more understanding than the normal patients, so it's a blessing in disguise to be working exclusively with them. I'm not entirely sure why, but I'd guess it's just that normally, people just want themselves to be fixed, and seem to think of us as "lazy" if we don't help them right away. With this thing, they know we can't just fix it, and they know we are putting ourselves at risk trying to help them anyway.

9 hours later 22004291 Anonymous
>>22004286 report your rape,defend your dignity ffs

9 hours later 22004292 Anonymous
You fucking idiots. I talked shit but if I saw a woman getting raped I would definitely stop it. I wouldn't be able to live with myself and just let it happen because I know nothing about yurt girl she might be a good person that didn't do anything wrong. Fuck what I wrote.

9 hours later 22004293 Anonymous (maxresdefault.jpg 1280x720 63kB)
>>22003251 If I don't fit the traditional masculine role of being tall rich and in control am I really screwed over in terms of getting a girl? I know that it's easier for those that are. I'm trying to be more comfortable being myself but its just not working to well. So girls what do I got to do to get a GF or at least on a friendly basis with you?

9 hours later 22004294 Anonymous
>>22004279 >>22004265 >>22004286 Head over to GIOYC my friend: >>22002027 >>22002027 >>22002027 >>22002027

9 hours later 22004299 Anonymous (Brie-Larson-Captain-Marvel-is-Brie-Larson-similar-to-Captain-Marvel-.jpg 1024x681 57kB)
>>22004289 I will,but it's unlikely that I'll buy any products anytime soon since I live in an impoverished shithole (eastern europe Larping as central europe). Thankfully,I'll graduate one of the best universities in my country soon (engineering) and I'm fairly tall as well (187 cm). Perhaps some money and a position would make me skew a bit beyond 8,maybe towards 8.5...My goal would be to get someone who looks like this. Yes,I know she's a hollywood actress but I don't want her specifically,I just want someone who looks like that-ish

9 hours later 22004309 Anonymous (1583344453885.png 1196x1248 393kB)
Pretty much locking like pic. But in red without beard. + Shity personality. Would you femanons?

9 hours later 22004311 Anonymous
>>22004289 >>22004299 or this

9 hours later 22004314 Anonymous
>>22004290 meh,I do get what you say,this hardly ever happens here because most of the doctors are either super young and inexperienced so they need some help or super old and ...well,more friendly towards everyone ,especially towards the nurses they've known for 20-30 years. I don't have that many """enemies""" among nurses but rather...among the other doctors...male doctors in peculiar; It's like a contest in which we want to brag about our lives. Yes,I know how narcissistic it sounds.

9 hours later 22004324 Anonymous
>>22004309 Hard no. I'm too soft and sensitive for bullies. And my self esteem is too low for this type of guy. I automatically know it won't work and seek the average guys

9 hours later 22004346 Anonymous
>>22004314 >I don't have that many """enemies""" among nurses but rather...among the other doctors...male doctors in peculiar; It's like a contest in which we want to brag about our lives. Yes,I know how narcissistic it sounds. As a nurse watching from the sidelines, it's quite funny seeing the doctors go about their dick measuring contests sometimes. But given the degree it takes, what you see and experience, and how the culture generally is... I can see why you get to be like that.

9 hours later 22004355 Anonymous
>>22004346 I'm curious, because I know a doctor guy, and I always wondered how good they are in terms of relationships. He never gets past the dating stage, and I always wondered if that was due to bad luck, or if there is something that just makes doctors terrible boyfriends.

9 hours later 22004375 Anonymous
>>22004355 I personally scorn doctors because I have heard that they are prolific cheaters. Lawyers too. An older female engineer told me once to marry an engineer because they're the most loyal type of man so that's exclusively what I pursue now. Lmao I'm foolish and obedient so I've done alot of things because older adults told me to though. What's one more thing?

9 hours later 22004384 Anonymous
>>22004355 >>22004346 I have an awful self esteem due to childhood trauma...my biological father abandoning me as a child (I still know who he is and where he lives but he never gave a shit about me)...my mother getting remarried only to lose her new husband 7 years later due to a liver disease... I've always been an introvert too and har nothing in common with children my age up until the uni. I might be bragging again but this is what happened: my school mates were interested in clubs,drugs,music festivals,sex etc. and I only cared about a handful of things: Idealism,I idealized love and have always wanted an ideal relationship with a woman with whom I'd spend the rest of my life...it's difficult to describe it on a forum but it'd be as if I was hers and she was mine,as if there was some sort of deep connection between the two of us. I don't really give a shit about how she'd look like as long as she wasn't morbidly fat and as long as she loved me. This is hardly a topic that matters when you're a teenager so you can imagine how difficult it was to find a chat partner ...which I did eventually...more about it in a second; My other preoccupations were philosophy,history and getting my arse admitted obviously. I hated the idea of wasting my life in clubs and so on so I decided to study ,study and study some more...I finished reading the books I had to in order to get admitted and ,after getting admitted early (long story),I got to spend my last year of high school the way I wanted to...it was rather nice at first but then I got bored and wanted to study more anatomy ,which I did,even though I didn't have to. Most of my colleagues envied me,even the girls envied me and thought that I'm some faggot in love with himself but I actually wanted to be the best in order to compensate for my low self esteem. I wanted to have something to """offer""" to the girls in school (to one of them actually) which I did in the end...she was really surprised and really liked me...

9 hours later 22004385 Anonymous
>>22004324 Im not a bullie. just fit as f.

9 hours later 22004397 Anonymous
>>22004385 You said you have a shitty personality though

9 hours later 22004398 Anonymous
>>22004384 but our relationship was short-lived. I also met the woman I loved ,this was when I was 15,before being admitted to High School. She was 2 years older and we had this inexplicable connection and similarities,for a few days I felt like a god...but this was short-lived as well since she was 2 years older at the time... Now I don't know where to find a woman with whom I could start a family with and it sucks. I kind of want to end myself from time to time...which is why I work myself a lot oftentimes...but this week's an exception

9 hours later 22004408 Anonymous (Screenshot_20200317-211010.png 749x761 604kB)
I wanna kill myself

9 hours later 22004409 Anonymous
>>22004309 >Shity personality. Not even once. I find so many men physically attractive there really is no reason to put up with that, thank god. I'm also not into muscular men with low bodyfat but you can ignore that, it's hardly representative. Rest assured, as long as you regularly mingle and get in touch with (different) girls you'll have no trouble finding one that loves your body and will be fine with your character.

9 hours later 22004413 Anonymous
Either gender Is sex better when you actually love the person I have only fucked tinder thots I didn't care about and its always unfulfilling no matter how good the sex was.

9 hours later 22004416 Anonymous
>>22004413 yes,it is

9 hours later 22004417 Anonymous
>>22004293 Not at all. I know websites like this one talk about categories and rules and what not, because simplifying and generalizing is the easiest way to talk about life or love. And yeah sure there's patterns. But by far most men don't fit the bill of the tall dark rich stranger and that's no problem. The #1 factor is meeting women. If you are dependent on online dating, where people are more superficial and fickle, it's a lot harder than if you have decent social skills and regularly meet women "naturally" - at work, in your studies, because you have female friends whose female friends you sometimes meet, your guy friends have girlfriends and so on. You can talk all day long about your human capital but everything still hinges on how big the pool of people forming an opinion on you is to begin with.

9 hours later 22004419 Anonymous
>>22004409 Tbh I have dated guys who admit to being jerks ("I don't care about anyone's feelings...except yours") and that is the biggest tell that they will be fucking impossible to deal with eventually. It's fine for short term dating but those guys are horrible long term partners

9 hours later 22004422 Anonymous
>>22004413 Yes. Always.

10 hours later 22004425 Anonymous
>>22004413 I thought so but recently found its way better if you love one person but have unabashed sex with a passionate fling. I let myself totally go, its mindblowing

10 hours later 22004429 Anonymous
>>22004413 HELL yeah. Incomparably better. Tried to take someone home I had no feelings for for the first time a few months ago. It was a cute guy and I felt attracted to him before he kissed me, but there was just nothing. No spark, no passion. I did not feel uncomfortable or anything but I stopped things before any clothes came on because even just physically, it literally did nothing to me for him to touch me. He was gingerly stroking my thighs and he might as well have touched my arm. Nothing. My ex could do anything - look at me the right way, stand close enough that I picked up on his scent, place a single hand on the small of my back - and my body felt electric and alive, goosebumps, wet, everything. Granted I have only tried to have casual sex once and I'm sure we were not the best fit even as far as casual things go. But I have some friends that had casual encounters they enjoyed and I have never known anyone, male or female, that would even equate the appeal of casual sex with sex with someone you love. It's different worlds really.

10 hours later 22004431 Anonymous
>>22004375 >I personally scorn doctors because I have heard that they are prolific cheaters. Lawyers too. Yikes, guess that's as good of a reason as any to avoid them. >Engineers Hah. Yeah, last guy I went for was a "Software engineer", but he kinda… collapsed in on himself, as it were. Pretty unfortunate, too. I know they probably aren't THAT similar, but he sure seemed loyal and stable until what I assume was mental issues destroyed it all.

10 hours later 22004438 Anonymous
>>22004419 I agree with that for sure. Even in the best case scenario (where the guy's selling himself short) it shows unhealthy self-loathing. And in by far most cases I feel it's accurate when people readily admit to not being a nice person. That said, most of the assholes in this world have sex and date just fine, even those that don't look great either.

10 hours later 22004442 Anonymous
>>22004431 Software engineers are hit or miss in my experience (miss being either a Currie, a weird rager or some other type of mentally ill) but the good ones are gems.

10 hours later 22004445 Anonymous
>>22003979 Yes, we want

10 hours later 22004453 Anonymous
>>22004445 As a man,I want children. You wouldn't understand why though

10 hours later 22004464 Anonymous
>>22004442 He was a gem, too, he just had a massive, selfdestructive meltdown, unfortunately. It's making me depressed to even think about.

10 hours later 22004481 Anonymous
>>22004453 No, I would not

10 hours later 22004483 Anonymous (1569046692903.jpg 1920x1080 282kB)
>>22004397 >You said you have a shitty personality though yeah im lazy and have little interest aside from my job, training and gardening. which results in an boring personality.+ i hate most ppl and avoid personal contact at any cost. >>22004409 >I'm also not into muscular men with low bodyfat so your body type is a little bit buffy + trained or? i assumed that was a gay thing to be honest. >that loves your body and will be fine with your character all i can ask for i think.

10 hours later 22004494 Anonymous
>>22004481 then stop shitting on us for wanting that. I'll never date a woman who makes as much as I do and who wants a career

10 hours later 22004495 Anonymous
>>22004483 I don't really have a single type, if I had to name an ideal it would probably be skinnyfat, and even that's more because it combines the best of both worlds for me (agility and the reasonably slim silhouette with some squish to play with), I like very slender men (as long as it's not unhealthily underweight), chubby to straight up fat, or muscular with higher bodyfat (what you mean with buff I think). For what it matters, I'm also into women, all of the same categories. Honestly the only type I don't like is low bodyfat + muscle. For me the "jiggle" is a really important part of sex. I can manage if the person's really slim because I also like the frail look and I like when men can rest their whole bodyweight on me. But I don't love how dry muscle looks (makes me think of anatomical drawing). Again though I don't have the most conventional taste, you won't hurt for women into the look you have/are after for sure. No one is everyone's thing.

10 hours later 22004503 Anonymous
>>22004417 Thanks for the advice I appreciate it. I guess it makes sense to have a large social circle. That's another area where I am lacking

10 hours later 22004523 Anonymous
>>22004413 I only had sex with people I loved, but I can tell you it's better with people you're very attracted to, comfortable with, and trust.

10 hours later 22004528 Anonymous
>>22004503 You're welcome! It sure does, in my experience men tend to underestimate that. Sure, even a group of mixed friends that regularly throws parties where friends/exes/siblings of friends show up will only offer you a fraction of the possibilities that any given app will. But it's not just quantity, also quality. It is a lot easier to make an impression on someone face to face than with a picture and a rehearsed first message. You will be more relaxed, confident and open on a night where you're having fun around your friends than talking to a random classmate in college. Little is more reassuring and appealing to women than knowing the guy that's trying to talk to them is trusted and appreciated by people they have faith in. And to top it all off, friends of friends are that much more likely to have hobbies or educational backgrounds in common with you so there's compatibility. Even leaving aside all that, making friends and befriending new people (and/or befriending people at a new age) challenges and enriches the same social skills you'll use for the first time making small talk with a woman who catches your eye. And the fuller and more fulfilling your life is, the more inviting it'll look to someone else, even if that's a girl you met online after all.

10 hours later 22004536 Anonymous
>>22004309 >Shitty personality Nope. The shortest relationship I had (9 months) was with a guy who looked a lot like that pic (but human instead of pepe) but turned out to be a shithead, even if he was mostly lovely towards me especially for the first 5-6 months. He was also fairly intelligent and we were pretty compatible lifestyle wise. As soon as someone is consistently shitty towards me, or does something that makes me look down on him as a person, I'm out.

10 hours later 22004545 Anonymous
>>22004528 Not that anon. Are you telling me that my russian girl doesnt feel that I'm the right one because she thinks I'm boring!? Fuck this shit

10 hours later 22004548 Anonymous
>>22004545 Not sure how you got that out of my post, just because certain things are attractive to (many) people doesn't mean that they are necessary for wanting to be with someone. I'm sure your girl lacks some qualities you appreciate but you still wouldn't have someone else in her place.

10 hours later 22004554 Anonymous
>>22004548 Yeah well,Fuck my life,no woman wants to date me apart from those who are extremely successful and who have a career because apparently,most women in my country either have a fairly low self esteem or really dont want men like me. I don't want a successful woman though,I want a woman with whom I'd have 3-4 children and my last resort would be going to a village to find one...

11 hours later 22004566 Anonymous
>>22004554 How do I confess to the girl I love?

11 hours later 22004569 Anonymous
Is blacking our in front of a woman unattractive? Would it make you reconsider seeing them as a potential partner

11 hours later 22004570 Anonymous
>>22004569 It's not what you do, but how much money and status you have.

11 hours later 22004572 Anonymous (15681753632.jpg 1280x720 55kB)
Where can I meet women? i'm a 18 year old male who rarely does social stuff because I mostly keep to myself but I love going to conventions and cosplaying. I just feel like it's time to meet a women and get serious about dating. Any tips for someone who doesn't like the idea of online dating?

11 hours later 22004581 Anonymous
>>22004566 directly but not bluntly,prepare her before you say it though,don't start the conversation with that. Only do it when you're alone with her so that you won't pressure her to have a reaction but do it face to face,not through a phonecall/text

11 hours later 22004582 Anonymous
>>22004572 Considering the current Corona business this is the worst time to go out.

11 hours later 22004584 Anonymous
>>22004572 They won't magically fall off the sky man, it's also pretty rare that they start talking to you all of a sudden, unless you're really pretty. So the iniciative has to be on you.

11 hours later 22004588 Anonymous
>>22004581 But I never talked to her before, I was thinking of sending a friend request on facebook and, if she accepts it, send a message saying that I've been in love with her for a long time now, would it be too creepy?

11 hours later 22004597 Anonymous
>>22004588 yes. Spend some time with her and get to know her before

11 hours later 22004600 Anonymous (74643897.jpg 1366x768 111kB)
>>22004584 I know that I'm asking how can I do that? I don't want to be creepy or make them uncomfortable >>22004582 Yeah but most of my conventions are in the fall so hopefully this crona bullshit dies down by then

11 hours later 22004602 Anonymous
>>22004569 Being sloppy drunk doesn't ever look good to someone who's relatively clear-headed. How much she cares will depend on personal experience, if she's a partygirl who has blacked out herself at times, whatever. But yeah it would make plenty of women reconsider. Your age matters a lot as well, blacking out as a teen who has limited experience with alcohol is different than being mid twenties and still not knowing your limits.

11 hours later 22004618 Anonymous
>>22003251 girls how would you feel about doing something like this for a date? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilO aFvTylVA >>22003524 only have sex with people you 100% trust and love, problem solved

11 hours later 22004623 Anonymous
>>22004618 >doing something like this Not my thing. Physical activities are nice to break the ice, stuff like ice skating, bouldering/climbing halls, air hockey... But for me something like playfighting is only fun when you can throw yourself into it and it's too far out of my comfort zone to go there with a relative stranger. It would just be forced, trying to be spontaneous and playful while cringing inside. For someone who loves improvisation, LARPing or whatever it's probably a dream. >problem solved You think the woman who have their nudes leaked by ex boyfriends didn't trust or love those men? People betray trust, not always but all the time for sure.

11 hours later 22004624 Anonymous (ab3vwhq44wlz.jpg 3840x2160 528kB)
>>22003251 What is the social etiquette for messaging a girl the next day after having to stop talking and go to bed?

11 hours later 22004626 Anonymous
When I first met my gf, she could only fit 2 fingers, and could make her orgasm just from sex every time. I basically introduced her to 3 and sometimes 4, and I can’t make her orgasm from sex alone anymore, and she needs my fingers to finish (2 and 3). Have I fucked up?

11 hours later 22004628 Anonymous
>>22004569 >Is blacking our in front of a woman unattractive? Depends on the circumstances. If it's something like migraine or something where it makes sense you would black out, I'm not going to care. If it's because someone got a scratch on their finger and a small droplet of blood trickled from it... Sorry, yeah, that's a problem.

11 hours later 22004632 Anonymous
>>22004618 >only have sex with people you 100% trust and love, problem solved So basically remain a virgin for life?

11 hours later 22004636 Anonymous
>>22004626 No. That's not how vaginas work.

11 hours later 22004640 Anonymous
>>22004623 yeah i suppose it's not every ones cup of tea, i'm just not into normie stuff like restaurants. >You think the woman who have their nudes leaked by ex boyfriends didn't trust or love those men? People betray trust, not always but all the time for sure. yeah didnt think about that ,i all ways tell girls i'm dating to never send me nudes, just not into it, baffles me why women do it in the first place, seems like it would be a red flag to me if a guys asks for it, especially early on >>22004632 not really just find some one you trust, but i suppose being a virgin is better than having your naked body plastered all over the internet

11 hours later 22004642 Anonymous
>>22004597 How?

11 hours later 22004644 Anonymous
>>22004636 Then how is this happening? I did foreplay the past couple of times for over an hour, used plenty of lube during that and sex. Is it a me problem, or something she’s not telling me about? I asked over and over what’s wrong and she says that she doesn’t know.

11 hours later 22004646 Anonymous
>>22004642 ...literally meet her IRL ,talk to her about something less relevant (small talk) and then push it

11 hours later 22004648 Anonymous
>>22004640 >i'm just not into normie stuff like restaurants That's not necessary at all. Just saying that as someone who is into coffee/restaurant dates, it's not because I think no activity is nicer than that, but because being able to converse well with a potential partner ranks among my highest priorities. When you mostly do stuff it's a lot less easy for me to judge that. I think for a lot of people it's just practicality. But there's a lot of more "mainstream" active things you can try and not all of them are expensive either. Plus of course you're ultimately looking for a girl into what you're into. >baffles me why women do it in the first place Because it turns me on like crazy. I love (male) masturbation and a guy masturbating to me is pretty much my most recurring fantasy to get off on. The slight taboo factor, the idea that even when I'm not there they like the idea of being with me enough to enjoy that. I also love masturbating myself which no doubt plays a role in this. Having said all that I never take pictures that include my face and I sure won't ever send a picture to someone I haven't already been intimate with.

11 hours later 22004651 Anonymous
>>22004644 Who knows. Maybe the fact that you're putting a lot of pressure on her to orgasm is ruining sex for her. It sure would for me. Someone anxiously telling me "what's wrong" over and over would make me unable to come. Maybe what you're doing now during foreplay doesn't work as well for her. Maybe she doesn't like lots of lube and very extensive foreplay.

11 hours later 22004653 Anonymous
Corona cucked me. I really like this girl from work but we're all working from home now so idk when I'll see her again. Her parents are old and she was stressed out about a potential quarantine and getting them sick etc. So I didn't think it would have been appropriate to make a move. Did I pussy out or make the right decision?

11 hours later 22004656 Anonymous
>>22003251 if you could change one thing about the male/female body what would it be and why?

11 hours later 22004659 Anonymous
>>22004600 bumping this

11 hours later 22004667 Anonymous
>>22004648 >because being able to converse well with a potential partner ranks among my highest priorities. When you mostly do stuff it's a lot less easy for me to judge that. I think for a lot of people it's just practicality. ok i understand a bit better now, just don't like restaurants, all ways a bit crowded for me and i cant stand coffee. do you think something like a co-op video game or a board/card game could work? >Because it turns me on like crazy. that's fair i'm only into the cutesy stuff, so nudes are kind of a turn off for me, but if it makes you happy more power to you just it would me make me feel uncomfortable if a woman expected me to do that.

11 hours later 22004670 Anonymous
>>22004651 Interesting.. I don’t put pressure on her to come though. I just casually ask after I finish if she did, and she’s been saying no the past few times. See, the time before last, I didn’t do much foreplay at all, and she still didn’t finish. I kind of feel like I’m not as attractive to her as I once was, because I used to not have to do anything at ALL and she finished within 15 minutes, now we can fuck for 25-30 minutes with plenty of foreplay prior, and nothing... I’ve talked to her about it, and she just says she doesn’t know. It’s all so complicated..

11 hours later 22004673 Anonymous
>>22004670 You didn't break her pussy by fingering her. Just relax and stay in the moment. Stop overanalysing everything. It's also completely normal to not come sometimes during sex.

11 hours later 22004684 Anonymous
>>22004670 My first time having sex, I got off within like 2 minutes. It was over extremely quickly, and it felt really weird and nice, and I was shaking and everything. That's the only time I have ever gotten off to sex. The rest is all stimulation with fingers or tongue action. The first time can just be wildly different for some reason, probably because we think ourselves into the mindset of it.

12 hours later 22004715 Anonymous
If I reinstall Tinder right now would I find women looking to get panic-laid or is it dead

12 hours later 22004760 Anonymous
>>22004653 You made the right decision. I think most of us are a little worried and not interested in dating right now in this moment. As time drags on and we get lonelier, check in on her privately if you can to see how she is doing. Talk to her enough and try to make a connection with her that way.

12 hours later 22004812 Anonymous
>>22004715 All of my exes have been "reaching out" to me within the past week. You should just do that because that's what every other guy is doing

12 hours later 22004839 Anonymous
Is there a dating site that isn't for the scum of society? Apps like Tinder are all whores Website like OKC are 95% whores except they're also ugly and obese. I'm pretty good looking and get lots of matches but I'm also a very shy virgin who doesn't get out much. Is forcing myself to be social the only realistic option?

12 hours later 22004848 Anonymous
>>22004839 No. Attractive people with good personalities have no problems finding partners IRL, so rarely go on apps. There are nice people on apps/dating sites, but honestly most good men/women are taken, and most of those who are single don't struggle to find a suitable partner at basically any age in my experience.

13 hours later 22004856 Anonymous (IMG_5768.jpg 1800x2397 467kB)
How do I get rid of cellulite aside from fat loss?

13 hours later 22004869 Anonymous
>>22004848 >attractive people with good personalities have no problems finding partners irl Clearly you've never been a shutin, I work from home, work out at home, and mostly talk to friends online. I never planned for this to happen it just sort of did by circumstance. How am I supposed to fix that now?

13 hours later 22004880 Anonymous
>>22004869 I have been a shut in. And shut ins aren't known for their amazing, vibrant, interesting personalities, anon.

13 hours later 22004884 Anonymous
>>22004856 cellulite is fat under skin. So fat loss and nothing else.

13 hours later 22004891 Anonymous (linksmasis-jūros-opšrus.webm 540x960 1284kB)
What is it with females and dancing? I meet a girl, we start talking, I'm being all charming and witty and shit, we get drinks, she's in a good mood, and it seems like it just might be the beginning of a beautiful romantic relation- >"Let's go dance, Anon!" >"Nah, I don't dance." >"...o-oh." And then we never talk again. Picture related. It's how I look when I dance. Why would you want to torture me like that?

13 hours later 22004901 Anonymous
>>22004891 she would probably this it's cute

13 hours later 22004902 Anonymous
>>22004880 Guess you never met me, but I'm pretty knowledgeable about history, art, and what I work in. It's also kind of vague when you say that, if you think good personality=charisma then maybe you have a point. It seems like personality is more just used as a catch all term for dismissing people you don't approve of in a more roundabout way. And even if I truly did have this "bad personality" I still have to give it a shot anyway so what did you do?

13 hours later 22004903 Anonymous (1583162292357.jpg 729x929 95kB)
>>22004902 t

13 hours later 22004910 Anonymous
>>22004903 Funny but I'm not really that autistic. I more just don't live in a particularly populous area and have no excuse to get out of the house. What would I do strike up conversation at the mall?

13 hours later 22004911 Anonymous
>>22004902 Good personality, at least to me, means to be an overall good person. Also being personable, pleasant to be around, kind, capable of holding a conversation, funny, kind, charismatic, etc. >It seems like personality is more just used as a catch all term for dismissing people you don't approve of in a more roundabout way. Not really. I'm just saying that you're not really a catch for a well rounded, attractive woman. Being good looking doesn't really cut it. I forced myself to be more social.

13 hours later 22004925 Anonymous
>>22004911 You don't even know anything about me but you already know I'm not a match for a well rounded, attractive girl, you omniscient or something? >be more social Any other brilliant ideas?

13 hours later 22004930 Anonymous (the inbertweeners.jpg 635x720 83kB)
ladies, how do you feel about us English guy's? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw1 j_f2_dFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va6 nPu-1auE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1u rq4Vb0XM

13 hours later 22004935 Anonymous
>>22003971 >If we shot any rapist or descendant of them, half the population of the western world would disappear. This is still going wholly off the rails of your original claim, but then again a coin toss chance of taking you out sounds pretty good. >most "marriages" where rife with marital rape More ideologically motivated nonsense. > there is nothing traditional about your silly idealized "innocent pure waifu". What the fuck do you think I'm arguing for? This entire thing started here >>22003518 , over standards of sexual restraint, which have existed across cultures and religions for millennia, having nothing to do with feminist pet theories of "oppression". You're the one who has insisted on making such standards a hyperbolic 'package deal', saying that saving oneself for marriage has "never existed" unless it's entwined with rape, abuse, and slavery. >>22003978 >So you are saying, extremely explicitly, that the only way to be happy, is to have sexual restraints when it comes to relationships Jesus Christ. Where in the everliving fuck does "better" mean "only", retard? If you are in a relationship, and have options A and B to reach a desired goal, where A costs 10 'effort points' on average and B costs 20 'effort points', then A is obviously the better choice. This doesn't mean B is cosmically incapable of reaching a goal, nor does it mean that there aren't other situations with other options. I sincerely hope that English isn't your first language, because if it is, you must be brain damaged to need this explained to you. > Is making up your own definition of how English works a pastime of yours? I generally don't like the word "projection" because of how terribly it's overused, but you're almost the definition of it.

13 hours later 22004940 Anonymous
>>22004925 >you omniscient or something? The simple fact that you're in your 20s and a shy and awkward shut in virgin with only online friends tells me enough. I'm sorry if you wanted to have a short cut to find a attractive woman with a great personality. There are none.

13 hours later 22004942 Anonymous
>>22004930 I'll just say that I've lived in England for a year and came home with an American boyfriend. You're kinda trash.

13 hours later 22004947 Anonymous
>>22004942 >You're kinda trash. true, we do kind of suck. what was the worse of it for you?

13 hours later 22004950 Anonymous
>>22004947 >what was the worse of it for you? Maybe it's the area I lived in, but men came in two shades: > ugly and kinda trashy functional alcoholic with terrible teeth and a gut > stuck up asshole

13 hours later 22004951 Anonymous
>>22004940 They aren't online friends we just usually talk online and go out less often

13 hours later 22004954 Anonymous
>>22004891 >>"Nah, I don't dance." >Picture related. It's how I look when I dance. And you'll look even more retarded when you have sex. It's not elegant stuff, and that's not expected of you, either. Just go with the flow and don't mind looking a bit silly. Loosen up, flap around, that's really all we care about. You don't have to do some sick dance moves that has been carefully planned and practiced.

13 hours later 22004963 Anonymous
>>22004950 fair >Maybe it's the area I lived in where abouts did you live? was it London?, London's a shit hole

13 hours later 22004967 Anonymous
>>22004935 >over standards of sexual restraint, which have existed across cultures and religions for millennia, Not in the way you think it has, no. Sexual restraint existed because 1. You couldn't have sex without a high risk of pregnancy, and 2. Most men trapped the woman like a pet, with no voice, no rights, and no way to actually engage with other people. Your ideal culture never existed, and the "traditional" shit you are talking about is 100% male favoured, and outright harmful to women. But of course, obviously someone wishing death on a random poster for educating you on history, would probably be the kind of sociopath to wish we were back in a time where they didn't have to actually do anything to get a wife, other than merely exist.

13 hours later 22004973 Anonymous
>>22003979 >A woman could not get a good job that let her live independently. More irrelevance to the point, and also not true (look up medieval single women--there were a lot of them). You have consistently tried to connect a standard of chastity to your shrill, nonsensical view of "slavery and abuse", and you have yet to demonstrate any basis in reality for it. That the two coexisted in past societies doesn't mean that one was based in or reliant upon the other. >Slavery and abuse is the reason why men long for "traditional" marriage And there it is, an even deeper crock of shit than what you started out with. Not only was the past standard of chastity based on slavery and abuse, but anyone who advocates it now *must* want the same thing. I might as well rest my case, since anyone so utterly blinded to reality by their delusions of oppression can't maintain a rational discussion.

13 hours later 22004974 Anonymous
>>22004963 London is a shit hole but there are almost no Brits in London so honestly it's still the best place to date. Met my boyfriend when I was in London visiting friends. I was out in the middle of nowhere, countryside.

13 hours later 22004979 Anonymous
>>22004935 >More ideologically motivated nonsense. It's really not, anon. I know what you are going for, but if you think this wasn't the norm, you are extremely naive. This wasn't even considered not a crime, it was considered normal and expected, and the woman was seen as a problem if she acted up because of it. No voice, no rights. Outside of a select few societies, the norm, or, as it were, "Tradition", was that women should be good quiet sex dolls who did what their man told them to. I know what you mean, but you may want to avoid calling it "tradition", because this thing you consider "normal" is frighteningly recent. And we aren't talking a thousand years. We are talking less than a 100 years. Before that, marriage wasn't about union and mutual love for one another, it was about possession. And just to really make it clear: I know what you mean, and I agree with your sentiment, but don't pretend this is tradition. That's all. And you may want to tone down the aggressiveness, because I can certainly understand why people think you want to oppress women and generally be an asshole, because when you start wishing death on other people, you kinda do come off as that type of person...

13 hours later 22004981 Anonymous
>>22004974 >countryside. sounds about right. i was actually considering London, but i don't want to get stabbed, plus i'm from Newcastle so its like a five hour train ride

14 hours later 22004982 Anonymous
>>22003997 I don't blame you for not reading all of the posts, but click up to the top of the argument. You'll see that I am not arguing for whatever a "trad" marriage is, but rather for the ideal of saving oneself for marriage, and its firm foundation throughout history. Anon's position was that it's a new thing, which is wrong, period. The drawn-out argument comes from anon's attempts to redirect the argument from the standard itself to their ideologically-tainted view of history. I am neither arguing that people don't have the capacity to be steaming piles of shit nor that we emulate every aspect of past piles of shit. I'm not saying all of anon's points are "wrong", per se (hyperbolic as they may be), I am saying that they are irrelevant to what the argument actually is. I am arguing for a single standard which is well-founded and well-attested throughout history and across cultures, and which is fully independent of anon's ramblings of "slavery and abuse". To claim that chastity is a modern invention was complete bullshit at the beginning and it's still complete bullshit now.

14 hours later 22004989 Anonymous
>>22004973 >Not only was the past standard of chastity based on slavery and abuse, but anyone who advocates it now *must* want the same thing. I mean, you wrote; >a coin toss chance of taking you out sounds pretty good. >Brought up racism out of nowhere to strawman >Called slavery "feminist bullshit" (Yiiikes) >Kept claiming sex was more important than childbirth, because sex lead to childbirth. So overall, you come off as a vile and bad person who wishes death on others, thinks slavery was all feminist bullshit and never a problem (And I am still absolutely baffled you literally wrote that), and has not a single shred of logic in your incoherent ramblings. But sure, call us retards and claim your fairytale version of history is the truth. If being a naive and uneducated fool makes you happy, you do you. I don't blame you, but unfortunately, I went to school.

14 hours later 22004990 Anonymous
>>22004967 >Most men trapped the woman like a pet, with no voice, no rights, and no way to actually engage with other people. How did this happen, didn't her family notice? I don't really get this claim.

14 hours later 22004992 Anonymous
>>22004990 >didn't her family notice? they where complicit in it

14 hours later 22004999 Anonymous
>>22004967 >Sexual restraint existed because you couldn't have sex without a high risk of pregnancy Probably the first relevant thing you've said in the entire discussion. Not the only reason, mind you, but a big and valid one. Also, unconnected to your lens of abuse. >Most men trapped the woman like a pet Which is not relevant even if we accept it, and at best an exaggeration. > the "traditional" shit you are talking about I have only ever used the word in quotes to refer to a single aspect of "traditional" marriage: that of sexual restraint. You have been the one frothing at the mouth to denounce past social ills, as if I had ever argued for them in the first place. >educating you on history Don't make me laugh. Your "education" consisted of a single wikipedia article (which I'd already read before) and layer upon layer of the latest take from intersectional critical feminist theory. Once again: what happened in the past outside of the standard of chastity is not fucking relevant to the standard. >>22004979 >"Tradition", was that women should be good quiet sex dolls who did what their man told them to. For the thousandth time, I'm not arguing for a blanket ideal of "tradition". I'm saying that a singular aspect of behavior is positive on its own merits and tends to be associated with "tradition" because of its long history. Why do you think I put "tradition" in quotes? I'm not arguing for it. > tone down the aggressiveness It gets exasperating to be called a monster bent on slavery and abuse because I literally DON'T want women to be treated like masturbatory aids. It seems a bit odd to clamp down on me for getting pissed off when they're in response to consistent and willful distortion of my position, along with that one jackass who literally doesn't understand a single complex sentence's structure. Enduring enough feminist theory for a small essay on the topic when that wasn't even the point of the discussion also isn't great for one's mood.

14 hours later 22005016 Anonymous
>>22004990 Not even the same anon but you have to remember during most of human history, stuff like privacy, personal freedom, room for development etc were very difficult if not off limits to both the majority of men and virtually all women. If you grow up in a time where it's understood that if you have a five children, you'll probably see at least one of them die, if you marry, you are lucky to get along more or less (never mind romantic love), if the black plague comes, you're all gonna die... People were used to making harsh trade offs, or not even making the trade off but accepting that there was no other way. Men oppressing women was the way it went. It was how they ensured their fidelity (that was, arguably because of paternity, valued dramatically more than male fidelity) and how they bought the little free time they had - by making their wives do everything. It was not the most disappointing part of life for many people. If the only thing you endured was a husband who micromanage you (rather than excruciating illness, burying all of your children, having your husband die to become a sad case fending for her kids) you were lucky. And yeah the family was absolutely complicit, this was how it went. The men agreed because it favored them and the women agreed because they saw no way out and had already figured out a Stockholm syndrome way to come to terms with their own faith that they then could pass on.

14 hours later 22005017 Anonymous
>>22004982 >I don't blame you for not reading all of the posts, but click up to the top of the argument. You'll see that I am not arguing for whatever a "trad" marriage is, but rather for the ideal of saving oneself for marriage, and its firm foundation throughout history. Anon's position was that it's a new thing, which is wrong, period. But.. it's not wrong. It's absolutely true. Women didn't really have any tangible rights until surprisingly recently. I am pretty sure the entire argument basically boils down to you ignoring the history we have documented, and making it into something much better than it really was. It looks to me like the point from the post you quoted as the first one later; >>22003518 >Tinder hookups aren't the "new thing" - It simply makes the process that has been around for thousands of years be that much easier. And the only reason it wasn't more common, was lack of access, and lack of rights to actually do what you want. Any place where it was allowed, and had enough people close together to facilitate it, people did it much more freely. It wasn't due to some moral thing, it was more due to people having better ways to punish it with violent or even lethal means, because human life just had a lower value back then, and death was just too common anyway. Morals assume we had any real virtues, and Christianity in particular, was the furthest from being virtuous and good back then, and were responsible for the worst massacres in human history. I'm also not sure I get your insistence on appealing to tradition here. You act like it HAS to be tradition, and it can't possibly be any kind of new or recent invention. Who cares if it is? The speckled nerd hot guy is a new thing, and nobody tries to claim that was in some way a traditional thing. It doesn't have to be. It seems like a strange hill to die on.

14 hours later 22005035 Anonymous
>>22004989 >a coin toss chance of taking you out sounds pretty good. I thought that was pretty clever. Have you never been told "kys" on 4chan before? >Brought up racism out of nowhere What the fuck? That was in response to your out-of-left-field quip that European settlers raped natives. Yes, we can agree that's bad, but it's completely off-topic. If you're going to change the subject, it's either idiotic or outright dishonest to complain when I address it. >Called slavery "feminist bullshit" No, I called the characterization of certain marital standards as slavery feminist bullshit. Because it is. Don't misconstrue my position. >Kept claiming sex was more important than childbirth You evidently didn't see where I was going. This was in a discussion about regulating behavior in relationships, and thus establishing each's relevance to relationships. People are obviously instinctively drawn to sex, which biologically is because it's needed for reproduction, but which isn't consciously registered as such. It is also far harder, even impossible, to regulate childbirth in isolation because by definition it requires sex, while sex doesn't require childbirth. And if one aspect is dependent on another, it makes far more sense to regulate the independent one to cover them both in a single stroke. How bloody hard is this to understand? If A and B are both 'important' to C, and A is also important to B, then it is more efficient to focus on controlling A, because it will affect the other two, whereas focusing on B will only affect C. For someone who accuses me of strawmanning, you're doing a pretty good hob of it. > has not a single shred of logic Logic is in the eye of the beholder, so your butchering and misinterpreting the content of my posts will tend to make them incomprehensible. Instead of filling in retarded gaps of your own making, how about you actually read what I say carefully?

14 hours later 22005040 Anonymous
>>22004990 >How did this happen, didn't her family notice? I don't really get this claim. They didn't care, got something in trade (Women were closer to cattle you could trade, rather than actual people), or thought it was for the best. Or they couldn't do anything to actually stop it, status meant far too much back then, and you couldn't really hit "up" in the social chain.

14 hours later 22005044 Anonymous
>>22004999 >Most men trapped the woman like a pet >Which is not relevant even if we accept it But it is. Your entire premise is that marriage was this stable construct, which was only true BECAUSE the women didn't have the right to do anything about it. The claim that "people rarely got divorced = Things were better and people were happy" is blatantly false.

14 hours later 22005049 Anonymous
>>22004667 Sorry for the late response but the (board) games are definitely fine, old school table top games are really hip anyway so I think this is a great bet, particularly strategy games where you get a little insight into how someone else thinks.

14 hours later 22005058 Anonymous (Screenshot_20200318-205426.png 1080x2248 1496kB)
I'm the anon from >>22003755 , sorry I didn't get back on earlier, I got stuck working on something and then I somehow fell asleep. Luckily I wasn't getting paid, lol >>22003790 I wouldn't know where to look for hobby groups, might try. But yes, most hobbies I have are male oriented, like programming and DIY. But male friends are still good for me, though I would like to befriend women too. >>22003793 I checked out meetup and yeah, there's a lot of esoteric stuff and anarchist stuff, neither of which attracts me at all. Bigger problem is that events relates to my non male-dominated hobbies, namely sewing are women only, so they're off limits to me. Thank you for the answers.

14 hours later 22005061 Anonymous
>>22005035 >No, I called the characterization of certain marital standards as slavery feminist bullshit. Because it is. Don't misconstrue my position. Please do elaborate then - Because so far, *everything* you have said has pointed towards your position being "I want a woman who submits to anything I do, even abuse and violence, like the good old times". Or, OR, you admit your bullshit "tradition!" argument is fucking retarded, and call it what it is. It's a new construct. And that's not a bad thing, on the contrary. Old shit is old and outdated for a reason, because it was created by sociopaths and bloodthirsty and violent rulers. If this is your actual position: >I want the ideal relationship to be one of mutual commitment between two people who have waited for the right person to commit to, and who do not freely share their intimate and closest moments with multiple people Then call it what it is - A new type of relationships we should strive towards. Fuck off with the old bullshit that was horrific in its very nature, and founded on a blatant disregard of basic human rights.

14 hours later 22005069 Anonymous
>>22005016 Do you really believe that every, or even most fathers in history were ok with seeing their child go to an angry woman beater because "the system favored him"? That's a pretty dim view of men Famillio Esteves

14 hours later 22005071 Anonymous
>>22005017 >It's absolutely true. Women didn't really have any tangible rights until surprisingly recently. Okay, just for the sake of argument let's accept your case unconditionally, but again, that isn't the argument. The argument is that the specific standard of chastity isn't new. If you told me that all squares have 4 sides, and I replied "no, because all hexagons have 6", that would be incorrect reasoning regardless of the fact that hexagons do indeed. The validity of the claim (in your case, the incessant focus on everything bad that men did) doesn't matter because it's a non-sequitur. This is basic argumentation: just because you make a factually correct statement doesn't mean it is a proper argument. >Christianity in particular, was the furthest from being virtuous and good back then, and were responsible for the worst massacres in human history. Please. I'm not even a Christian, but this endless whinging over everything Western gets tiresome. At the risk of 'whataboutism', forced conversions and killings in warfare were hardly >I'm also not sure I get your insistence on appealing to tradition here I am not doing that. This has been your willful misunderstanding from the beginning. I am saying that the standard, which I AM advocating for, is not a new thing. >>22005044 >Your entire premise is that marriage was this stable construct My entire premise is that the standard of chastity isn't new. It isn't. Don't conflate my addressing of your posts with my original position. >The claim that "people rarely got divorced = Things were better and people were happy" is blatantly false. Great. You know what else is blatantly false? That hot sauce is the best topping for pancakes. Too bad it isn't relevant.

14 hours later 22005073 Anonymous
>>22005058 >I wouldn't know where to look for hobby groups, might try. But yes, most hobbies I have are male oriented, like programming and DIY. But male friends are still good for me, though I would like to befriend women too. As a girl who recently got into a relationship, I got it through friends. A couple of guys introduced a friend of theirs who they either expected to be a good fit for me, or just hoped we would both get someone to waste each others free time on. Friends can be a good way to find people of the opposite gender, because contrary to what people here claim, especially once you inch closer to 30, a lot of "normie" guys will know plenty of single girls as friends, who just never quite found anyone.

14 hours later 22005074 Anonymous
>>22004429 >and my body felt electric and alive, goosebumps, wet, everything. Hell yeah i knew that cooming to these threads would be worth it someday

14 hours later 22005086 Anonymous
>>22005049 cool ill give it a try it would defiantly give you a lot to talk about and keep the conversation going i suppose if your a five/six months into the relationship you could make it more fun like if i win i can hug her or if she wins she get something she wants stuff like that >where you get a little insight into how someone else thinks. that's a bit creepy, kek

14 hours later 22005087 Anonymous
>>22005069 >Do you really believe that every, or even most fathers in history were ok with seeing their child go to an angry woman beater because "the system favored him"? Yeah, because he did the same with his own wife.

14 hours later 22005090 Anonymous
>>22005069 >an angry wife beater You don't have to bet that, or even close to it, to allow your wife next to no room to be her own person outside of being your wife and a mom. From not valuing her opinions on things (or not even wanting to hear them), to not realizing women can climax or have sexual fantasies/desires (or believing them to be unnatural or wrong for women), to sneering at attempts to make something of herself because you consider them useless vanity or just something that will make her dream up ambitions of a different life... There's a lot of ways to essentially cast a shadow over someone's zest for life, their dignity, their confidence, without beating them regularly or ever for that matter. And these are things that can (and most often are) done out of fear (I'm nothing if she runs off with some other guy), jealousy (I work a shit job ruining my back every day and she gets to play with the kids), or general anger (fuck my shitty life) they have no healthy outlet for. Not because "hurr fuck women fuck my wife". Same for the scenario from the dad's perspective. He won't sit there and go "well this guy's shit, but then again, I'm not going to say anything because as a man this system suits me". It is social conditioning over the course of decades that covertly and overtly suggests that what women want simply IS of lesser importance. Which is as simple as the Bible being very clear on women not being allowed to refuse their husband sex.

14 hours later 22005096 Anonymous
>>22005061 >*everything* you have said has pointed towards your position being "I want a woman who submits to anything I do, even abuse and violence, like the good old times" Where did I ever even hint at that, chucklefuck? Is it because of my supposed >"tradition!" argument Well, I haven't made this argument, retard. I have said that a specific standard isn't new like you claimed--this is distinct from saying that the standard is good BECAUSE it isn't new, which I never did. Why do you insist on ignoring every time I say exactly this? Even if it were new, I would support chastity on its own merit. But it categorically isn't a new thing, and no, that's not because of "slavery and abuse".

14 hours later 22005108 Anonymous
>>22005073 I value the advice, but I would think that would be more likely to be the case once they partner up themselves close to 30 which is fortunately, still some seven years away for me. Thank you for the advice though.

14 hours later 22005118 Anonymous
>>22005090 Posted too quickly. Re: the last point, if you're on the "losing side" and you are the sex that is deemed less intelligence, less creative, less just, less strong, less courageous, really less ANYTHING (except beautiful) - then you have a strong personal motivation to question the beliefs you were told all your life. And even then you see most women more or less made peace with these ideas and raised their daughters to accept the same. As a man, being on the "winning side", there's much less reason to question what most people around you believe and what the authorities (the law, the church, the men in power) uphold. Even nowadays where most people have a lot less issues than was normal in the past, how often do you see men writing ardent, scathing pieces about female only issues? Or the other way around? It happens, but the chance that someone has a personal connection with a viewpoint closer to their own is that much bigger. Personal experience > understanding purely based on empathy and seeing someone else's experiences.

14 hours later 22005119 Anonymous
>>22005090 So not allowing your wife to run out on you and the kids you made to "make something of herself" while you get black lung in a coal mine 12 hours a day 6 days a week, and expecting she keep the kids safe and the family fed while you do this was slavery, but only for women, meanwhile he was free?

14 hours later 22005132 Anonymous
>>22005119 You're missing the point man. To ensure that women indeed did not cheat, did not develop desires (like intellectual ones) that could not be satisfied by marriage, did not start advocating their own desires/boundaries, they were effectively denied personhood. Telling your partner not to do one or two things is maybe a little controlling but overall mostly very commonplace. But that's very different from women not being able to have hobbies/free time, any personal development at all, expectations of love and sex. Also don't forget that running the household has become a LOT less time intensive with the invention of mostly the washing machine (but also everything else). Yes many men worked hard jobs, most did not work in coal mines though and had time to get drunk, see friends, even go to prostitutes. Meanwhile women were stuck being pregnant most of the time and children + everything to do with the household is a 24/7 job that starts when you wake up and ends when you fall asleep, assuming none of your kids are sick and wake you up. Women literally had no room for anything else. Their "hobbies" were just chores like repairing clothes or knitting scarves, necessity. They couldn't read and relied on their husbands to interpret the Bible for them. They lived in societies that taught that men were the mortal placeholder of God and going against the wishes of their husband was a divine offense.

14 hours later 22005145 Anonymous
>>22005071 >Please. I'm not even a Christian, but this endless whinging over everything Western gets tiresome. At the risk of 'whataboutism', forced conversions and killings in warfare were hardly Hardly what? Literally most wars we had for the first thousands of years were caused by religion, and Christianity holds the record for most murders out of anybody. Don't make this about "westerns bad" stupidity. Facts are facts, and whatever other implications it has doesn't matter. You can ignore several parts of it if you want, but then you are no longer clinging to religion or """tradition""" anymore. Christianity called for mass murder and even once called for *genocide*, all because of "just or holy goals!". >My entire premise is that the standard of chastity isn't new. It isn't. It is. You are conflating the issue of extremely low age expectancy, no choice to ever leave your first partner, and no rights to choose what you want with your own life and body, with "chastity". You also are aware that chastity belts weren't a real thing, right? Only a select few groups practiced it. It was not a standard, never was. It was a pure coincidence at best, and not something anybody truly cared about.

15 hours later 22005155 Anonymous
>>22005108 Hah, yeah, these guys were all married, and I'm pretty sure one is gay, so YMMV. But for what it's worth, this guy was "only" 26. Nothing really stops you from making friends with slightly older people, if you give it a go.

15 hours later 22005156 Anonymous
>>22005132 The peasants were often not taught to read and relied on the church, and men were told the crown was the mortal placeholder of God made flesh as well my gynocentric friend

15 hours later 22005160 Anonymous (1584550996771.jpg 900x900 118kB)
I'm a guy who has never been in a relationship. I don't hate women and am a believer in equality. However, there are some things that I need perspective on. I largely like to discuss, debate and joke about politics. I make a lot of male friends this way. However, women I talk with either don't care or don't really care to go in-depth on most topics. People I get along with best are opinionated, assertive, street smart-types. However, most women I've talked with are reserved and often naive as if they don't like to take the lead. The few assertive women I've met unfortunately have mental problems or are like 300+ lbs, though that must just be my bad luck. I have female friends, but none of my close friends are women. I told my friend who has a lot of success with women that what I'm looking for in a girl is someone like a guy friend, but I can have sex with them. He told me that is virtually impossible. Do you think this is true? If 99% of women don't like communicating how I do and I don't like communicating like them does that mean I have to act more fake to get a relationship? Is my friend right or wrong? Am I in the wrong?

15 hours later 22005172 Anonymous
This talk is genuinely making me curious about what you guys think about songs like this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGj CUY59B_0

15 hours later 22005178 Anonymous
>>22005156 >The peasants were often not taught to read and relied on the church True, depending on the time and area a lot of people could not read in general. Even then women were not always welcome in church, and even when they were, the Bible is clear about the hierarchy between man and woman where the woman is secondary. This is not mutually exclusive at all with the king being the earthly manifestation of divine power. Just because the king obviously rules over peasant men does not mean the peasant men don't rule over their wives and they did for sure. Now I live an infinitely cushier life than even some privileged nobleman in most any other century, let alone a peasant. In my very first contribution ITT I acknowledged that part of the reason no one cared about women being oppressed was because the standard of living for women AND men was pretty shite and people had all sort of coping mechanisms to come to terms with that and not ask for more from life either. But 99% women having been baby incubators and beasts of burden for most of history is simply fact. Men obviously were all sorts of fucked if there was a war. There were many professions were men traded their health for family income in the most horrifying ways for sure. But these were life circumstances of individual men of specific times. Women were virtually ALWAYS fucked just by being born women.

15 hours later 22005181 Anonymous
>>22004268 Are you the 19yo thinker?

15 hours later 22005186 Anonymous
>>22005160 it is very possible to find a gf that is a very close friend, but I personally think that when debating about politics with friends, everyone has a general "agree to disagree" feel about it. When you're in a relationship however, those topics can be a dealbreaker. You'd rather not be in debates with your wife about birthcontrol or abortion lets be real here. You'd generally want someone with similar political views and similar life goals.

15 hours later 22005191 Anonymous
>>22005145 Oops, got deleted. "Hardly restricted to Christianity" >Christianity holds the record for most murders out of anybody. Genghis Khan's pyramids of skulls would like to have a word with you. State atheists also have a pretty good killcount themselves. I'm not a Christian apologist, but neither am I interested in the myopic self-hatred required to call Christianity uniquely violent. >extremely low age expectancy This calculated from birth, and largely because of childhood deaths. Life expectancy for adults was still much lower than today, but the idea that people making it to adulthood typically died in their 30s is absurd and incorrect. >no choice to ever leave your first partner, and no rights to choose what you want with your own life and body, with "chastity" Annulment was actually allowed, if severely restricted. Adultery was one of the reasons accepted, as was severe abuse. Far from ideal, and women in practice had a harder time leaving an abusive or adulterous spouse than the other way around, but it's by no means a uniform ban. Ditto for the other point, though it's not really related to chastity. And yes, enforcing a standard is very much entwined with the standard itself. It's not 'conflating' anything to say that chastity should have some kind of legal support to be an effective standard. This is like saying that gun control has nothing to do with condemning gun violence. It's nonsense. The regulation exists specifically because of the values behind it. > It was not a standard, never was Despite both fornication and adultery being crimes across wide swathes of the West and explicitly promoted by the dominant religion for 2000 years. No, that's not a standard, it's just a "coincidence". What a fucking meme.

15 hours later 22005194 Anonymous
>>22005172 Modern music is overwhelmingly degenerate garbage I don't need to look further than the thumbnail to know that this example is no different.

15 hours later 22005197 Anonymous
if i do better making friends as a guy with women, what does this mean? my best bros are guys, but the rest of my not quite as good friends are all women. its not like i feel a desire to sleep with many of them, i just get along with my sense of humor and personality etc better with women >>22005160 >>22005186 4 things you must agree on in marriage: money, religion, children, in-laws. nothing else matters, politics is basically a combination of them all

15 hours later 22005198 Anonymous
>>22005172 from a musical perspective, fucking terrible listen to something good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyT dZ5NGMrQ&list=WL&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dec 5RyPH6xQ&list=WL&index=12 as for the message, i'm fine with this kind of thing you do you, just respect i don't find this kind of behaviour or look attractive

15 hours later 22005201 Anonymous
>>22005160 It's not impossible but they are less common than men with your attitude. This has several reasons, one being that women tend to be more conflict avoidant and more easily interpret a passionate discussion as "an argument" or just "tense". Because of this, not just men but also women are more likely to discourage any remotely snappy/sassy, ardent or competitive behavior as being bossy/domineering or just not being fun. Another is that men are often encouraged more to express their opinions or thoughts, to set themselves apart in that specific manner, which encourages young guys at some point to wing it and come with what they have even when they're no experts (like most anyone isn't). I am a woman who likes to discuss but most of my female friends sure don't and the biggest part of that is that their standards for when they feel like they're "allowed" to have an opinion on it (because they researched it enough) tend to be very high. My parents always valued my opinion and never made me feel like I needed to jump through hoops to prove that my thoughts or feelings were valid. As a result I express them easily, but I also often notice that other women sometimes take this as arrogance because of their own shyness with expressing their opinion. Basically I look at opinion more as work in process, a snap shot of my development at a given time, and they feel like politicians needing to make perfect statements no one can find fault with. This is of course generalizing. For actual advice, go straight for debate clubs and political parties or anything similar you can think of. You'll also find more women like this as you get older, there's going to be a lot more assertive 25-year olds than 18-year olds.

15 hours later 22005204 Anonymous
>>22005160 >He told me that is virtually impossible. Do you think this is true? Yes >If 99% of women don't like communicating how I do and I don't like communicating like them does that mean I have to act more fake to get a relationship? No you have to learn to adapt to the other person or keep looking until you find someone. Try a Jewish/asian woman since they're light-years smarter than other women. >Is my friend right or wrong? Am I in the wrong? Neither of you are wrong here. You both can believe conflicting things and be right in different ways. I enjoy more serious discussions but my preferred way to discuss these things with men is a more ... Patriarchal style (not sure if that's the right phrase). I want him to be more intelligent about it than me and to be explaining it to me. I want to be with someone I look up to so I try to select men who are smarter than me and quickly lose interest in men who are not. However, I'm unfortunate in that I'm smarter than average person (looking at the typical person in my country) but still relatively stupid if you consider me against my peers. I'm also submissive and probably subconsciously behave so that I'm more passive and seem disinterested. I'm not sure other women behave similarly because of the same reasons as me or not. But like I said, try women with more intellectual backgrounds

15 hours later 22005210 Anonymous
>>22005197 Hard to say, say you studied nursing then it's hardly surprising you'll wind up with a bunch of female friends. I can say that as a woman who's been friends with a few guys who preferred female company, at least in their cases it had to do with having high standards for emotional labor (expecting to be able to share very personal stories and get in depth support, for example), having relatively female dominated interests, and typically loving to talk with friends more than doing stuff together (hiking, drinking, watching sports...)

15 hours later 22005218 Anonymous
>>22005191 >And yes, enforcing a standard is very much entwined with the standard itself. It's not 'conflating' anything to say that chastity should have some kind of legal support to be an effective standard. ...Except the only legal support that has ever existed involved violent punishment, and sometimes even death. And wow, you are a massive, massive psychopath if you want legal actions to be taken against people who aren't chaste. That's probably the worst and most horrifying thing I've heard in these threads in a long time, and we've had people say they want to go out and rape and kill women. And this is somehow much, much worse. You might like China. I hear they aren't fans of human rights either.

15 hours later 22005223 Anonymous (c9e.jpg 1200x1190 101kB)
In a long distance relationship with a girl, been talking for a few months and saving money for a plane ticket to see her (it would be overseas). Asked her last night if she thinks it'a really gonna happen hoping for her to say something positive because I was feeling like shit that particular night and she texts me "No not really" and still hasn't responded to me asking what she means by that. Should I just give up at this point? I was falling hard for this girl and was actually serious about this relationship but now I feel like it's just a fantasy to her and I'm hurt. I don't even know what to do with the money I saved now

15 hours later 22005224 Anonymous
>>22005178 Idk, I feel like the implicit claim that there was never a lassai fair (sp?) or supportive husband before the late 60s is a bit far fetched.

15 hours later 22005231 Anonymous
>>22005160 I don't think it is entirely impossible, but it is largely true that women and men are socialised differently, and develop a different style of relating to others. I'd say I'm the kind of woman you're looking for in a way, and it is because I was a huge tomboy growing up, and my mother (so my biggest example of femininity) is a huge tomboy herself still and works a traditionally masculine job in a very male dominated field. I have 2 older brothers, all my close friends were guys growing up, and until I was 16 I basically didn't talk to girls. Now I don't find it difficult to relate to girls, but when I was in my late teens and early 20s I really had issues because I was very abrasive, opinionated, arrogant, and I was used to being a bit more "solution oriented" than "empathy oriented" when people talked to me about their problems, I didn't like sharing, and I'm still a pretty autistic weirdo who hates small talk and likes weird shit. And it really didn't sit right with girls. I changed a lot over the last few years, and now some of the people I love the most in the whole world are women, people I genuinely look up to and adore, and they taught me to be a much better person than I was. I owe a lot to my female friends to be honest. But you friend is right, the way women and men are socialised typically is different, and it's hard to find a woman who acts like a man unless she's weird in a bad way. I like to think I'm weird in a good way.

15 hours later 22005233 Anonymous
>>22005223 She is probably feeling sad about coronavirus. Don't take it personally. Also long distance is kind shit. You both have to be really into it for it to work. It sounds like she isn't as into you as you are to her.

15 hours later 22005234 Anonymous
>>22005172 Not surprised we have the genderbent equivalent of "thrashy fag who can't sing who makes music about the many bitches he fucks". Not a guy though, but that song was terrible. Everything wrong with modern pop. Creatively bankrupt and with nothing to support it but a catchy tune. Weak.

15 hours later 22005245 Anonymous
>>22005234 >Not a guy though, but that song was terrible. Everything wrong with modern pop. Creatively bankrupt and with nothing to support it but a catchy tune. Weak where can i find a based wafu like you?

15 hours later 22005250 Anonymous
>>22005224 >the implicit claim Absolutely not my claim at all. There were for sure. If you're interested in history, I can very much recommend Stefan Zweig's The World of Yesterday, while this is relatively modern (late 19th century to second world war) and he was a privileged and educated man he does spend a good bit of time writing about everyday mores and also the attitude towards sexuality and women. Of course I don't know how he treated his wife but he writes with a lot of sensitivity and compassion about not just individual women but the female role in society. When you're talking about topics this big you're talking about patterns. Those rare "look at this 16th century woman who traveled the world and joined a Circus as a bodybuilder" already goes to show that yes, also centuries ago some people managed to radically do their own thing and no doubt many more rebelled on a smaller scale inside their homes and personal relationships. But that does not make the assertion that the position of women was structurally worse than that of men, from a legal and life expectancy (also used to be quite common for women to die from childbirth) point of view, false.

15 hours later 22005253 Anonymous
>>22005194 And the title is literally "SLUT". But yeah, basically just degeneracy. I was just curious how people here viewed these kinds of things. >>22005198 >from a musical perspective, fucking terrible listen to something good So is most radio pop stuff, to be fair. >Weeb stuff Yeah, I'll just not comment on those. Perhaps you will like things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOx kGD8qRB4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZ pHFXcFJw

15 hours later 22005262 Anonymous
>>22005201 Thanks for the thoughtful advice. I do greatly look forward to dating in the 25+ range in the future. I think world cultures would encourage women to speak their minds more. Too much timidity is boring. >>22005204 While I'm generally quite dominant, I actually do seek people I can "look up to" all the same. Perhaps I am too feminine in that regard and definitely should become more socially flexible in regards to dating. >>22005231 Hahaha my little sister is just like you and she learned it from her two older brothers. Solution-oriented over empathy-oriented is one good way to put it. I actually do get along with tomboys best. I'm glad to hear that now you can interact well with both genders. My sister is going through school and has trouble making friends with similar interests to her, but I'm sure she'll get better with time.

15 hours later 22005264 Anonymous
>>22005218 >Except the only legal support that has ever existed involved violent punishment, and sometimes even death. It works for adultery. Fornication was rarely if ever punished so severely, more often involving fines. This isn't the only way to manage it, mind you--you can also give benefits to encourage good behavior (i.e. like tax breaks for marriage to incentivize it) Again, though, you're straying from the topic. You seem extremely fond of doing this, but maybe you just have the attention span of a goldfish. >You are a massive, massive psychopath if you want legal actions to be taken against people who aren't chaste. That's probably the worst and most horrifying thing I've heard in these threads in a long time Spare me the hysterics. What is "psychopathic" about bolstering a standard of behavior? And don't give me a nonsensical "harm" model--government is literally defined by control under threat of violence, which is to this day constantly applied to "non-rational" standards like punishing exhibitionism. I don't know what's more worrying: this being another example of fake 'outrage' because you don't have a real reason to be upset, or that you actually mean it. I'm curious, what do you think of taxation? If I wanted to be a freeholding farmer, bothering nobody else and simply living off the land on my own, I would be arrested if I didn't pay the government taxes on the land itself, and possibly jailed depending on whether or not I legally "owned" it. If you think that government control is justified while moral regulation is somehow "horrifying", you're either batshit insane or the most intellectually dishonest person I've ever had the misfortune of speaking with. >we've had people say they want to go out and rape and kill women. And this is somehow much, much worse. I could say the same thing about you. Apparently you think moral standards are *worse* than raping and killing women. You're a joke of a person following a joke of an ideology.

15 hours later 22005267 Anonymous
>>22005245 I unironically spent a ton of time at a small local pub who mostly played older rock hits. I'm a 27 year old boomer though, so I'm still from a time where things like Guns and Roses, Metallica, AC/DC and Pink Floyd were the music I listened to growing up.

15 hours later 22005275 Anonymous
>>22005264 >Again, though, you're straying from the topic. You seem extremely fond of doing this, but maybe you just have the attention span of a goldfish. >Starts talking about something >Complains other people respond to it Jesus christ. >Spare me the hysterics. What is "psychopathic" about bolstering a standard of behavior? Yes, what is psychopathic about punishing people who are using their own body in a way that makes them happy? Perfectly reasonable to make it a crime to not be chaste, human rights is overblown anyway.

15 hours later 22005279 Anonymous
>>22005264 >I could say the same thing about you. Apparently you think moral standards are *worse* than raping and killing women. You're a joke of a person following a joke of an ideology. Because a single murder or rape is nothing, when compared to undermining human rights. You can die on this hill if you want, but you are not getting a lot of people to agree to this stance of yours.

15 hours later 22005281 Anonymous (1579710823325.jpg 1920x1080 148kB)
>>22005253 i'm only really into j-rock and power metal, so those aren't really my thing i'm, a /m/an you see, anything that gets me ready to pierce the heavens and go further beyond is what i like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gH dWBK1724&t=119s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYf 2CSXmCDk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCh uV-NThAM those songs are ok i suppose, not really my thing

15 hours later 22005292 Anonymous
>>22005250 I know you never brought this up, but you seem well spoken, reasonable and probably a feminist so I thought I'd get another POV. The biggest complaints I see from modern day ones are no longer legal complaints, (there you are the king's) but about social mores, like "society expects us to do the child raising" or "society doesn't take woman programmers / engineers seriously" What exactly do you want? What is the end goal here? You can't really change society, nor can (or should) be able to just change an individual's mind. I'd say that home work life should be dictated equitably by the couple in question, not a group of femenists who don't know them, and there are already laws against discrimination based on gender.

15 hours later 22005293 Anonymous
>>22003251 What do guys think of while watching porn? do guys think of their girlfriends when they masturbate or do they just think of the women in the porn?

15 hours later 22005301 Anonymous
>>22005264 >Spare me the hysterics. What is "psychopathic" about bolstering a standard of behavior? And don't give me a nonsensical "harm" model--government is literally defined by control under threat of violence, which is to this day constantly applied to "non-rational" standards like punishing exhibitionism. We punish things that affect society as a whole. Being chaste is not part of that. Going around being a massive nuisance on the streets, drinking while driving, or any other thing that directly affects other people, does. If people want to have sex with each other in private, the government has absolutely no say in that, and advocating that is frankly frightening. Didn't think I'd see someone who wanted to give up human rights this badly. >>22005264 >I'm curious, what do you think of taxation? If I wanted to be a freeholding farmer, bothering nobody else and simply living off the land on my own, I would be arrested if I didn't pay the government taxes on the land itself, and possibly jailed depending on whether or not I legally "owned" it. If you think that government control is justified while moral regulation is somehow "horrifying", you're either batshit insane or the most intellectually dishonest person I've ever had the misfortune of speaking with. 1. How exactly do you own something above everybody else? 2. Do you use any utilities provided by said government? Healthcare that is supported by the taxes, the roads supported by the government, *anything* that ever sees tax money? If the answer to this is no, then you will not be bothered, because then you are so far off the grid that people don't know you exist. If you do, if you have a social security, if you talk to government officials for anything, if you need help from any service that is even partially tax funded, you are robbing everybody else by not paying your taxes.

15 hours later 22005303 Anonymous
>>22005262 >My sister is going through school and has trouble making friends with similar interests to her, but I'm sure she'll get better with time. If it's of any help, I made my first two female friends on the soccer team of my high school. They're still my two dearest friends in the world, even if there aren't two people more different from me. One has two older brothers herself (lol) and the other is just a weirdo. I don't know if it's of any help, but sports are a great way to bring weird people together. Plus honestly, teenage girls are bitches, but it does get better. Tell her a stranger on the internet said good luck.

15 hours later 22005306 Anonymous
>>22005267 ah cool, i'm 23 and i find a lot of women aren't really into that kind of music or even music i like (sum 41, blink 182, bowling for soup that type of punk rock, plus some of the classic rock/metal bands), its not the end of the world just most modern music is kind of trash. i notice a lot of girls with t shirts for those bands you mentioned, i'm trying not to sound sexist i:e "fake gamer girls", (fuck me, remember that?) but its kind of hard to tell if its just a fashion thing or they actually like them

15 hours later 22005317 Anonymous
>>22005275 >Starts talking about something >Complains other people respond to it This isn't a game of telephone, retard. You said that "it was never a standard", so I refuted that by telling you it was, with examples. Then you shifted the topic to talking about the nature of the standard, which is no longer about the original question of whether or not the standard exists. I suppose I should thank you for tacitly conceding the point that started all of this: those standards do indeed have a long history. >what is psychopathic about punishing people who are using their own body in a way that makes them happy? Question: can a pedophile masturbate in front a playground if it brings him pleasure? I would say absolutely not, but your *literal* hedonism would suggest that it's a horrific idea to even contemplate restricting him, worse even than raping and murdering a child, apparently. >>22005279 >a single murder or rape is nothing, when compared to undermining human rights. Your conception of "human rights" is mindless hedonism and a moral tragedy of the commons. It's a meaningless buzzword with no force or reason behind it. Do you honestly think that allowing all behavior will in practice lead to personal autonomy? If you have no regulations on contracts, for example, you aren't benefitting the honest, you are openly encouraging the dishonest thieves to rush in and seize the initiative. All your talk of "bodily autonomy" (nevermind that negative and positive regulations aren't the same thing--nobody is forced to do anything, they are simply discouraged from doing certain things) means jack shit when the absolute fact, right now, is that people who would absolutely insist on using others as masturbatory aids have the initiative. This doesn't benefit people who do prefer chastity. It doesn't even leave them alone. It puts them in a state of seige. Take your kindergarten-tier conception of morality somewhere else.

15 hours later 22005320 Anonymous
>>22005303 I'll definitely keep this in mind, she's in elementary school and definitely thinks she's "weird" at this point. I'll definitely see what we can do and suggest high school soccer when she gets older. Thanks!

15 hours later 22005323 Anonymous
>>22005317 >Question: can a pedophile masturbate in front a playground if it brings him pleasure? I would say absolutely not, but your *literal* hedonism would suggest that it's a horrific idea to even contemplate restricting him, worse even than raping and murdering a child, apparently. The anon you responded to literally said >>22005301 >Going around being a massive nuisance on the streets Which obviously refers to things like public nudity. That affects other people. You have been grasping at straws for a while...

15 hours later 22005325 Anonymous
>>22005292 Sure, that's what the thread is for. I don't really label myself a feminist but that's purely an image thing, in that I feel uncomfortable lumping myself into a group with a bunch of other people, among which are some I vehemently disagree with on many issues. Most people would absolutely call me/my thinking feminist though and I'm not uncomfortable with that. First thing to be mindful of is that feminism does not teach many concrete opinions. Just like you can be conservative leaning but pro-choice, feminists disagree (and actually argue quite often and passionately among each other) on the sense or nonsense in terms like patriarchy, man-spreading, rape culture, basically anything. Say a woman posts a bare naked selfie on her instagram. A feminist could argue that it's empowering, because she's ignoring that some people will have negative opinions on it because it's her own body and at the end of the day she only values her own opinion on whether or not she wants to show off. Another feminist could argue that it's not empowering at all, because the only reason she feels compelled to present her near nude body in an appealing manner to an audience is because she grew up in a culture that has many messages saying this is how women behave, women's looks/sex are what gets them appreciation. Literally entirely contradictory interpretations of the same movement. This is just one example but it gives you an idea of just how far apart the actual viewpoints can be. So if you ask what feminists DO have in common, that's basically these two things >men and women are (different but) equal and should have the same rights and opportunities in society >men and women might have real differences, but these differences are made greater by cultural teachings that provide frameworks for how to be a good (wo)man at the expense of personal freedom Post too long..

15 hours later 22005327 Anonymous (729.png 200x204 78kB)
>>22005317 >Your conception of "human rights" is mindless hedonism and a moral tragedy of the commons. It's a meaningless buzzword with no force or reason behind it. The irony in these two statements being back to back, is so thick that i am not even sure if you are doing it on purpose or not. It seems too perfect to be by accident.

15 hours later 22005329 Anonymous
>>22005301 >We punish things that affect society as a whole. Good, and public morality is part of that. Do you honestly think that society exists in a vacuum? It doesn't. As you yourself have said speaking of the abuses of the past, people are deeply influenced by their environment, and ceding that environment to the exact people who would follow no standards at all is anything but a "human right" to choose. >Didn't think I'd see someone who wanted to give up human rights Your conception of "human rights" is laughable. Blow it out your ass, I have no interest in your bumbling Orwellian ideals of the 'freedom' to be controlled by others. >How exactly do you own something above everybody else? How indeed. How is your personal life solely restricted to you in its effects? >because then you are so far off the grid that people don't know you exist Canada literally uses satellites to find "unlawful" homesteads and sends people by helicopter to demolish them. But this isn't the point. My point is that it's utterly ridiculous to pretend that moral standards are an unconscionable violation of """human rights""" while supporting what is by definition forced conformity that is the government. I'm not saying I'm an anarchist--far from it--I'm calling you out for not only being hysterical but hypocritical to the core if you honestly think I'm a "psychopath" for advocating morality.

15 hours later 22005330 Anonymous
while where on the subject how do women (and men) feel about these songs? just some on my playlist that i think are kind of interesting for different reasons, just listen to like the first bit if you dont want o listen to the whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lia YDPRedWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtO V7bp-gys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWN aR-rxAic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh2 0dLMWaec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2 u5uUu3DE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtV 1-gJ_bm0

15 hours later 22005334 Anonymous (0f4.png 165x115 43kB)
>>22005317 >an anon makes a point about it being a human right to have sex with whoever you want >this guy instantly jumps in to claim that is asking for thieves and pedophiles to do whatever they want as well Yeah sorry for double posting like this, but reading your post fully this time, you have just clearly gone off the rails. I hope that anon stops responding, so you can stop shitting up the thread with this.

16 hours later 22005336 Anonymous
>>22005325 Only a tiny minority of very optimistic women will believe that we will ever free ourselves of these narratives on how to be human and, with that, how to be man or woman. Personally I don't think these narratives are a bad thing, either. We as human beings construct meaning within the chaos using a bunch of frameworks, not just on how to be a man or woman but also how to be an adult, how to be a citizen, how to be [any given profession]. I give my life meaning by placing myself in a narrative about my family resulting in me, the family stories, the genes and talents I received from people before me. This is supremely human and it gives life depth, it provides stability and a feeling of belonging. However, there's a catch. The catch is that we as people believe in these stories so much that we stop fully realizing that they are still that, stories that don't have to dictate how we live our lives. If my whole family before me was in a certain business and because of that I feel called to join the family business, that's understandable and fine. There's only a problem if it is so obvious to me that I should join the family business that I don't even ever consider that I could do something else with my life, it just doesn't cross my mind that other ways of living exist. To take this analogy and make it practical with an example: if the topic of male on male (platonic) affection comes up, you'll get anons spouting broscience about how men naturally keep more distance, not realizing that in many parts of the world (and, until relatively recently, here in the West as well) there was nothing odd about men hugging, kissing, or even posing for pictures holding hands with male friends. This is an example of culture silencing imagination and silencing what you might personally desire. Because a lot of guys on here also lament that men are lonely because their female partners are the only person they can show vulnerability with. Cont'd...

16 hours later 22005342 Anonymous
>>22005329 >I should be free to do what i want with my own body, in the privacy of my own home >No, because [incoherent rambling of unrelated anarchistic propaganda he then claims to not believe] So basically, you are just trolling, and do not have any actual point? Because none of what you wrote is remotely related to the post you responded to, and directly contradicts your own posts...

16 hours later 22005350 Anonymous
Hi girls. So i get like 1 to 2 matches on tinder a month tops, but most of them don't respond or ignore me. Why even swipe right if you won't say a thing?

16 hours later 22005353 Anonymous
>>22005293 If I'm jerking off to an anime girl with boobs bigger than her head, who do you think I'm thinking about?

16 hours later 22005355 Anonymous
>>22005350 >tinder that's your problem

16 hours later 22005356 Anonymous
>>22005336 But the idea that they might not get sex from male friends but that a heartfelt long hug, a heart to heart conversation where you let down your guard and variations can still provide (emotional and physical) intimacy to a lesser extent does not even enter the picture. While looking at how men cope worse with their partner dying, men commit suicide much more and in general tend to have poorer social networks, it sure wouldn't hurt to be aware that it can feel great to express platonic love more explicitly. In a case like this the narrative is no longer just something that provides a framework for you to build your life, it also becomes something that limits you. Again, I don't think many feminists hope to ever get rid of these frameworks, it is just not possible to live life without them because we'd be in chaos. At most they can be replaced by other frameworks that are oppressive in other ways because the fact that it is a framework with certain ideas already means alternatives are not explored (Foucault). However, the more you are aware that certain things (like men not hugging often) are social norms, rather than set in stone natural phenomena, the higher the chance that you can ask yourself if you actually agree, if you might not want to challenge them if you do want that hug. As for what I personally want from feminism as a woman, I do not feel that in the Western world of today women are -overall- less fortunate than men. If I had to decide I feel that young men 100% have it harder in this current day and age, and a big factor in that IS in fact that feminists have successfully made women aware of things like this (in female lives) for decades, while male equivalents are incomparably more recent, more fragmented, less mainstream and so on. Hence why it is possible that issues like suicide, addiction, psychosis, homelessness etc that overwhelmingly hit men are never regarded as "male issues" in the public eye. Cont'd...

16 hours later 22005357 Anonymous
>>22005293 id on't watch porn

16 hours later 22005360 Anonymous
Femanons, how do you feel when a guy can't get/stay hard during sex with you? The past year I've had trouble maintaining during sex. Doesn't matter who it's with (I've slept with a total of three people in the last 12 months). I'm currently trying nofap/noporn to help out, but I'm also generally disinterested in vanilla sex. I hooked up with a girl I've been casually seeing a few nights ago but couldn't stay hard. She said I didn't seem into it that night and I told her the problem is about me not with her or her body (she said she was worried she took her clothes off and I wasn't attracted to her) She seemed really disappointed which I was as well but entirely with myself.

16 hours later 22005361 Anonymous
girls, how would you react to this: >be dating a guy (me) for about a year >a guy from work asks him to be godfather for his kid (another woman would be godmother) >your bf tells you about this, says he doesn't want to do it but couldn't say no--he doesn't invite you, tho >you later ask him why hr hasn't invited you. he tells you he just wants to go to the church event and then take a pic at the party and bail--no staying for the night party. >he'd rather pick you up afterwards and go do something else in town >you say OK, you spend the day sending texts to each other then at night you don't answer his calls what do you do for the next couple days? do you stop talking to him a few days? break up? cheat on him? I just want to gauge if her reaction was appropiate or overkill.

16 hours later 22005362 Anonymous
>>22005323 >That affects other people. Okay, so it's fine as long as he masturbates to them behind a one-way mirror? I'm trying to say that it's at minimum idiotic to pretend that moral standards are a cosmic offense. To any sane person, his behavior is repulsive. >>22005327 Words without meaning are different from a failure to grasp their meaning--you're doing the latter and thinking it's ironic, but you're just being thick. "Human rights" are as vacuous a term as "natural law": being mere placeholders that the reader can fudge their own preconceptions into. The other anon literally said that making oneself happy and not 'harming' others (despite harm being a messy subject itself, but I digress) should be the sole guiding principle of society. That is pretty much the definition of hedonism. As for the "moral tragedy of the commons", it's an analogy which probably went over your head. Let me explain: in the economic sense, having commonly-held grazing land without any individual restrictions will carry the risk of each person maximizing their own benefit by grazing as much as they possibly can. But when everybody does this to maximize personal benefit, then the land becomes overgrazed and everyone loses out. Applied to morality, this delusional doctrine of "absolute autonomy" risks much the same: by actively encouraging people to be as self-serving as possible, you are depleting the moral structure which enables individual benefit to begin with. It is a fact that sexual restraint is on balance more beneficial to relationships than its absence. So removing all restrictions will make it easier for those who would never listen anyway, and harder for the bulk of people who would benefit from them to act them out. Don't believe me? Ask a woman who's waiting her marriage what the overwhelming majority of men do: they leave her.

16 hours later 22005363 Anonymous
>>22005336 >if the topic of male on male (platonic) affection comes up, you'll get anons spouting broscience about how men naturally keep more distance, not realizing that in many parts of the world (and, until relatively recently, here in the West as well) there was nothing odd about men hugging, kissing, or even posing for pictures holding hands with male friends. This is an example of culture silencing imagination and silencing what you might personally desire. Because a lot of guys on here also lament that men are lonely because their female partners are the only person they can show vulnerability with. As a woman, this still confuses me to no end. Even the most hateful women, who will happily assault and smear a girl coming out as gay, will have no problems hugging, giving light kisses, and generally being close and affectionate with another girl. But guys seem to just have super devolved into this insanely homphobic culture. It really confuses me, because i dont see how this even happened. I only ever hear women find it odd that guys are so cold and distant, even to each other, so it is definitely not women saying this. Media in general? And I am saying this as someone who has problems with a guy who basically couldn't contain himself whenever we got really close and intimate... poor guy broke down the first time we tried. I just dont understand how it got to that point.

16 hours later 22005368 Anonymous
>>22005355 Can't go out during lockdown..

16 hours later 22005370 Anonymous
>>22005368 >lockdown where do you live that been locked down? also how do you expect to meet them if you cant go outside?

16 hours later 22005374 Anonymous
I am currently in no contact with a girl I was dating after she rejected me for another date and tried getting back with her ex. Found out that her ex pumped and dumped her when she tried getting back with him, but since me and her weren’t exclusive yet I can’t count that as cheating. While I’ve been in no contact she’s tried making me jealous and putting herself in positions where she wants me to talk to her. Now she’s posting stuff on social media saying “If they want you they’ll make the effort to talk to you” and shit like that. I also heard from a mutual friend that she regrets the way she treated me. I feel like since she rejected me last she should be the one to reach out, not me. But she’s very shy and I can’t see her gaining the courage to make the first move. I’ve been in no contact for a month, should I break no contact and risk just stroking her ego?

16 hours later 22005376 Anonymous
Anon boyos Orgasm denial, yes or no? Thought it might be a way to spice up sex life, but not sure if the effects of blue balls at work counter that.

16 hours later 22005380 Anonymous
>>22005356 What's more, whereas women penetrate the traditionally male domains (the work force, the fitness/sports, the arts), men don't beat or even equal women at their own territory (parenting, social skills and emotional labor), meaning they lose terrain while getting nothing in return. I do firmly believe that most feminists at the end of the day want individual freedom for men as much as they want it for women - even if only because women simply cannot have that freedom if men don't, e.g. if it remains as stigmatized as it is for men to be primary caretakers then women cannot rely on their partner to take care of the home while they pursue an ambitious career the way men traditionally have. However, people are only human and most feminists have turned towards feminism because of very personally felt/experienced life experiences, on top of obviously having more affinity with female issues as women and having a keener eye for them. There's important feminist classics about men (notably Masculinities), but for a movement that has always in practice revolved most around women, it's hardly surprising that the input for male issues is nowhere as broad or thorough. Believing on principle they should get the same attention doesn't mean you feel like the best person to address male issues yourself. And another complicating factor is that the sexes often behave like a hurt bickering couple, where any "I feel hurt when you..." is seen as a denial of the way your partner HURTS YOU, TOO! Hope this answers your question, sorry for the word vomit but it's complex to me as you can tell, hard to do it justice with one liners.

16 hours later 22005383 Anonymous
>>22005376 Yes as long as I get to cum eventually. Most guys try to avoid cumming too quickly anyways so it's not as unfamiliar terriroty as it seems.

16 hours later 22005387 Anonymous
>>22005370 I guess just talk first, get to know each other better and when things blow over plan to meet up. Belgium btw.

16 hours later 22005388 Anonymous
>>22005155 That's actually not a bad idea at all. Maybe some of the groups on meetup might have a lot of older people. Thanks!

16 hours later 22005395 Anonymous
>>22005350 If you get that few matches, you are doing something wrong. Your photos are probably not great, maybe you wrote something weird in a bio. Once you get about 10 matches a day, YOU WILL GET IT, cause why write with that weird girl with crappy photos, who is probably not even hot, when you can instead write with 5 people that seem a lot better? In any case, I think I have alright-ish text game and pretty average photos (which means well lit, high quality shots, albeit a bit boring). In my experience (isolating a month of tindering actively, numbers are pretty accurate) out of 100 matches: 50 will write back 25 will write more than one response 10 will have an actual conversation 5 will agree to a date and show up and I smashed all five of them, cause I am pretty good at dates. So that's 5 out of 100 that would even meet up with me. >inb4 you must suck at texting then No I do not, and after doing some research a while back, my "stats" are probably a tad better, than the average "successful" tinder person. It really is just a numbers game. If you get one match a month, you will get a date every few months with someone really desperate and unattractive. Get better pics.

16 hours later 22005397 Anonymous
>>22005380 Okay one last comment because I realized I said nothing about what feminism still does for women in this day and age. As I said before I feel the male issues at the moment are honestly much more dramatic and, frankly, urgent. That said, I was not alway this feminist (in the women's domain at least) and it's definitely lived experience that made me realize there's still plenty of situations where women draw the short end of the stick. For an easy structural issue, I feel that women are in a pinch with reproduction as they both biologically have a more narrow window to get pregnant, and they still get punished by most employers for getting pregnant or becoming mothers even though that's a pretty fucking important thing for society as a whole. Where I live it's illegal to fire a woman for getting pregnant, but it sure is easy and legal to make an excuse to fire the pregnant employee anyway. For more personal issues, my biggest is boundary pushing and assault by men. Again where I live cat calling is not a big thing, relatively equal dynamics, by far most men I've met treated me with kindness and respect. But I still got groped 10+ times (on public transport mostly, not at wild parties), I had coworkers and bosses telling me how to wear my make up (I was a store employee selling food), I was taught by university professors everyone knew had affairs with students and blatantly tried to charm their audience during lectures (I did social work so that's a clamfest). I was as young as ten years old when the first men hit on me (rarely, but still), and they were not young teenage boys but grown men. I was once followed by a strange man who seemed intent on attacking me but eventually ran off when a witness came in sight.

16 hours later 22005399 Anonymous
>>22005334 >this guy instantly jumps in to claim that is asking for thieves and pedophiles to do whatever they want as well Do you not understand a rhetorical question? Anon is saying that personal behavior shouldn't be regulated unless it "harms" another, and on that basis thinks restriction of sexual behavior is metaphysical evil worse than rape and murder. So I set out a few probing examples to see where that doctrine leads--it is a basic logical tool that evidently was lost on you. >>22005342 >unrelated anarchistic propaganda he then claims to not believe I don't, and it's neither unrelated nor "anarchist propaganda". To quote Soi Wars, "everything you just said is wrong". If somebody makes the claim that a restriction of "freedom" is "horrifying" while supporting a government which is defined by restriction, I will call bullshit--it's an ideologically motivated double standard. This isn't a defense of anarchism. It is pointing out that 'absolute freedom' in society is literally anarchism. Even if we take the "harm" model of government, it is clearly bullshit if anon supports the right to anything that doesn't in itself "harm" anyone--like a sick fuck fapping to kids. > do not have any actual point? My point has been eminently clear from the outset: chastity as a standard is nothing new. In the past few posts, after being called a monster for supporting it, I am saying it's justified to have a legal structure that encourages chastity. > none of what you wrote is remotely related to the post you responded to, and directly contradicts your own posts You actual spastic, this is a running argument over whether or not the standard of chastity has existed in the past, and now of whether or not it is justified. How is this not related? I always disliked the saying for its subjectivity, but speaking with you stooges and experiencing your imperviousness to rational discourse has me thinking of an old saying: >to the insane, the sane man must appear insane

16 hours later 22005402 Anonymous
how big od a deal are fetishes to you women so my gf of 4 months wants to meet up tomorrow to discuss our relationship and where we want to go and one thing she said was sex, and what where into. she wants to know what fetishes i have, i only have one but it's very specific ,pervy and weird and i'm kind of worried it might freak her out, i's a purely visual thing whats the best way to communicate it to her? should i just say i don't have a fetish i would never expect her to actually do, especially if she doesn't want to it but i'm concerned she might leave me

16 hours later 22005405 Anonymous
>>22005399 *clearly bullshit unless

16 hours later 22005406 Anonymous
>>22005387 fair enough i suppose it would keep the spirits up to talk to a cute girl.

16 hours later 22005408 Anonymous
>>22005362 >Okay, so it's fine as long as he masturbates to them behind a one-way mirror? As fine as someone with any other mental illness existing. It may be repulsive, but if he hurts no one, whatever. Should people be punished for eating their own feces because it is disgusting and repulsive? Obvious answer is no. Should people ever be punished, in any way, shape or form, for having consensual sex in their own home? Also an obvious no, to anyone who cares even the slighest about basic human rights. You can conflate it all you want, but you seem to already understand that you are wrong, or you would not resort to these types of obvious logical fallacies.

16 hours later 22005409 Anonymous
>>22005374 If she doesn't text you first, you don't contact her and don't make plans. Don't be weak and look for excuses. If you cave, you will ruin your chances. If she never writes, you never had a chance anyway. Keep living your life, act as if she never existed. I personally would not even want to get with someone who dismissed me that rudely, but that's how you get there. Let her chase. And because at some point you probably will try to rationalize yourself into chasing her: DO NOT DO IT. If she texts you, you can casually suggest meeting up and having some fun. If she doesn't want to, don't bring it up again and don't contact.

16 hours later 22005410 Anonymous
>>22005402 >*i would never expect her to actually do it

16 hours later 22005412 Anonymous
>>22005397 Shit happens. Men get attacked or used as well. What did it for me was not so much these incidents, but the fact that even my male friends, men I love and trust and have been friends with for 10+ years, are utterly unaware of this reality existing. Women warn each other for certain men, throw each other looks when the professor sneaks in a suggestive phrasing when talking to you with intense eye contact, women ask each other to use tracking apps so they know you've arrived home safely. But when I as much as mention a single incident like this to a male friend, I get an awkward chuckle or a "where do you even find those guys", or patronizing stuff like "I'm sure he didn't mean it like that" (when he wasn't present for it and I was). Literally today, I wrote a male friend of 12 years that my fieldwork was challenged greatly because my respondent with the best network, who could introduce me to all the right people and promised to ask them to be interviewed by me, started sending me inappropriate texts. And he literally told me "aww, sucks that people fall for you I guess?" That makes me feel lonely. It makes me want to share that regardless of everyone's individual suffering, it's not right that women all know these men, these stories, and feel like most of the time we cannot trust men to have our back in this. That it's hurtful that men get angry over the thought of sexual assault but start questioning what you were doing out that late if you tell them about actual assault someone committed to you. And you can only build solidarity by being transparant and communicating - hey, this is what it's like to be me, and in this case what it's like to be us. Just like I would never have even half the understanding of male struggles if I had not read about intimate, personal stories of rejection, loneliness, body insecurities, addiction and so on from countless anonymous men on here. We have to keep asking each other what it's like to be them. That's all.

16 hours later 22005413 Anonymous
>>22005402 ... just say what your fetish is. Nobody can help you.

16 hours later 22005414 Anonymous
>>22005370 Not him, but Denmark is. Bars are supposed to be closed, any gatherings above 10 are strongly adviced against, and stores with non essentials (even clothing stores) have closed down, too.

16 hours later 22005419 Anonymous
>>22005413 >just say what your fetish is. ok, but i am still a bit concerned about this she's my first gf , so i don't really know how this stuff works

16 hours later 22005420 Anonymous
I’m the anon whose girlfriend had her ex record her having sex with another guy I’m on a 3 day break with her and I told her I’d get back to her after that in my decision if whether or not to leave. Problem is I don’t know if I believe her story. Any advice for getting her to tell the truth? She has lied to me a lot. She swore onetime her body count was 3 and swore on everything and that ended up being a lie, after I’d hold her and tell her she could tell me it was anything, she’d still lie. Granted we haven’t dated that long, I feel betrayed bros

16 hours later 22005423 Anonymous
>>22005399 >Anon is saying that personal behavior shouldn't be regulated unless it "harms" another, Also explicitly used the word "nuisance", which you are ignoring in your rampant shitposting, trying to defend why you want to make chastity a legal requirement. Troll/10

16 hours later 22005426 Anonymous
>>22005399 This guy belongs on Reddit, jesus christ. Someone is far too used to having an echochamber blinsly agree with his insane ideals.

16 hours later 22005427 Anonymous
>>22005419 No I am saying TELL IT TO US. Consider the fact, that I didn't just ignore your post a kindness. I don't usually go out of my way to drag vital information out of someone and just dismiss incohesive posts like that.

16 hours later 22005441 Anonymous
>>22005427 oh ok. its "Zettai ryōiki", basically when a girl wares knee sock its the bare skin between the socks and her skirt/sorts. its just that its kind of pervy and specific, and not really related to pleasure

16 hours later 22005444 Anonymous
>>22005399 >Do you not understand a rhetorical question? >Anon is saying that personal behavior shouldn't be regulated unless it "harms" another, and on that basis thinks restriction of sexual behavior is metaphysical evil worse than rape and murder. So I set out a few probing examples to see where that doctrine leads--it is a basic logical tool that evidently was lost on you. And ironically, you failed to spot when it was used on you, multiple times in a row, earlier in this thread. You can rage from now till the end of time, but you are just jumping from one logical fallacy to the next, while name dropping things you think makes you sound smart, but simply makes you look like someone in high school. You are trying way too hard, and failing because of it. Normal people are capable of realizing when they made a simple mistake, or took something too far. You evidently dont. >to the insane, the sane man must appear insane Ain't that the truth. Too bad you dont realize you are on the wrong side of this equation.

16 hours later 22005448 Anonymous
>>22005441 I found out i would sometimes do that on purpose, only with the area being around the knees. Still seemed to have an effect. That is really innocent, though. It is not even all that fetishy, it is just a short skirt and high socks. I would not even raise an eyebrow if my boyfriend wanted me to wear things like that. Just dont name drop it, and instead just buy and tell her how you like it, and i doubt she will care.

16 hours later 22005452 Anonymous
>>22005412 Pretty good take Thanks for sharing. I was reading as I ate so no response till now

16 hours later 22005455 Anonymous
>>22005452 No worries, enjoy the food!

16 hours later 22005459 Anonymous
>>22005408 >It may be repulsive, but if he hurts no one, whatever. Alright, what is "harm"? Do we take the bare-bones definition of "physical injury or fraud", or do we include cases of "indirect harm" like perpetuating a toxic environment? You act like your ideology is self-evident and iron-clad, but it's neither. Although I have to admit, you go much further than most would be willing to. >Should people be punished for eating their own feces They should certainly be discouraged from doing it, you shit-eating subhuman. >basic human rights. What exactly does this mean, you sanctimonious prick? "Freedom"? Pure freedom doesn't exist, anywhere, nor should it. >Should people ever be punished, in any way, shape or form, for having consensual sex in their own home? Also an obvious no What, like adultery? They can and should be punished for it. It's also not "conflation" or "fallacious" to point out where your dogma doesn't hold up to scrutiny. >>22005423 >explicitly used the word "nuisance" >trying to defend why you want to make chastity a legal requirement. Not a legal *requirement*, smoothbrain, but legally supported. Not the same thing. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, sweaty. >>22005426 I am arguing with retards, feminists, and retarded feminists. You lot belong on plebbit farming karma, not me.

16 hours later 22005460 Anonymous
>>22005420 This is all too fishy. Just dump her and find someone who isn't a liar. You will be happier in the long run.

16 hours later 22005462 Anonymous
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/159 57673944756443432 >this thing will have much more luck than you on dating

16 hours later 22005465 Anonymous
>>22005448 yeah i suppose the name is the worst part now that i think about it, still don't know why i like it though i'm still nervous because I've never discussed these things with a girl. what are sort of the really important main points when it comes to sex in a relationship? i know don't push her when she doesnt want to have sex or ask her to do things she doesnt like, but what else? like the "core values"

16 hours later 22005466 Anonymous
>>22005412 Well, you reap what you sow. Since females absolutely despise and hate shy/introverted nice men and talk shit about virgin males, we are kinda in a forced position to always show sexual interest in the female creatures and be aggressive when approaching, otherwise people might think we're gay or just some weirdos.

16 hours later 22005473 Anonymous
>>22005444 >you failed to spot when it was used on you, multiple times in a row I'll humor you. Where? Show me the link and I'll apologize if you're right. If it involves the utter misunderstanding of my position (I was not defending abstract "tradition" at any point), then it's nonsense based on a faulty premise--garbage in, garbage out. >you are just jumping from one logical fallacy to the next Find one, dipshit. Give me a quote and say why it's formally illogical. Protip: something you disagree with isn't a 'fallacy'. I'll also keep in mind that words with more than three syllables scare you. It's hard to restrict myself to the level of mental midgets, but I'll do my best for your sake. >Normal people are capable of realizing when they made a simple mistake, or took something too far. Like calling someone a monster for believing in moral standards? Blow it out your ass.

16 hours later 22005476 Anonymous
>>22005412 >That it's hurtful that men get angry over the thought of sexual assault but start questioning what you were doing out that late if you tell them about actual assault someone committed to you. As a rape victim, this is frighteningly true. Got assaulted and raped on the street on my way home around 10pm. Cops first question? >Why are you out at this time? Coworkers first 3 questions? >that is a dark road, why did you go that way? >you live in such a quiet area, why not stick to more populated zones? >What did you wear? My boss, a man, was the only person whose first real response to this, was >take 2 days off, Ill call if we have something urgent. Tell me if you need something, okay? That was the closest to sympathy i got. I dont blame the nurse at the hospital, they were very busy. But even to this day, it hurts knowing that peoples first response to me being attacked on the street, was "why did you let that happen?". It really makes me wonder what the reaction would be if they randomly got attacked and beat up and hospitalizes for their injuries like i was, and peoples first reaction was >but why were you out that late? It sucks that people have this mentality... it is really hard to go through these things, and not think "did i really cause this?" At least once.

16 hours later 22005477 Anonymous
>>22005462 Brazilanon you gotta post screenshots for those of us without OKC

16 hours later 22005482 Anonymous
>>22005466 Sexual assault and cultural condoning of badgering women is far from a recent invention. If anything it's just the increased attention for it that makes it look more commonplace. There's also a lot in between showing sexual interest (through flirting, compliments or propositions for example) or flat out groping someone, ignoring a no, sneaking pictures and so on. Most shy/introverted guys also have love lives just fine. You don't find many examples of it on here but honestly, most guys on here rarely ever even talk to new women, there needs to be a pool of people to impress in the first place.

16 hours later 22005485 Anonymous
Friends introduced me to woman who they said is single and would be good match. We went one one date and honestly I'm luke warm, she asked me on another after corona Grade this response >Hey it was nice meeting you, but I just don't think I feel that spark I'm looking for in a relationship. Say if you are m/f and pls add or subtract lines if you think it was shit.

16 hours later 22005486 Anonymous
Stop fucking responding to the autismo "moral standard" nazi. We dont want you all shitting up the thread with his ramblings, please. You could have left him hanging when he did respond for hours, and i wish you had. Contribute to the discussions instead of wasting time on him.

16 hours later 22005489 Anonymous
>>22005476 Too many good people get hurt in this world for sympathy to be wasted on misfortune of the bad. I'm deeply sorry for what happened to you, but I can see why people would try to find reasons for you not being an innocent victim. Your pain hurts them less if you had done something wrong. Selfish and lamentable, yes, but it's not out of malice.

16 hours later 22005492 Anonymous
>>22005486 >t. seething

16 hours later 22005494 Anonymous
>>22005476 I'm sorry anon, they were complete dicks and didn't even realize it because they did not succeed at putting themselves in your position for as much as a few seconds. I don't know if it's any consolation but I do want to say that this line of thinking (just world fallacy) does happen often with other stuff as well. Like people instantly asking if you locked your car/stashed your stuff away if you mention the car being broken into. The reason for this psychologically is that it makes people very uncomfortable to feel that life is cruel and random and terrible things happen to people that make normal or even sensible decisions. If they tell themselves you only got raped because you did something ridiculous, they filed it away as not a threat for them personally (or the women they care about, in this case), you're just an outlier who broke the system with your lack of thinking. Cruel as it is, they are basically feeling anxious being confronted with ugly reality and then they make the anxiety go away by blaming you, hence it not being ugly reality but an ugly exception you stumbled upon by being foolish. So you pay the price for them not wanting to feel a little uneasy even just hearing what you went through. It couldn't get any less fair but know this is (at least the current consensus on) what's going through their minds subconsciously. Still, they all failed you and this is certainly no excuse.

16 hours later 22005498 Anonymous
>>22005412 Holy shit where do I find myself a woman like you? This is the kind of talk I want to have at dinner wow. I totally agree with the points you made. Most of the feminists I work with get stuck in the cycle of telling me “you just don’t understand because you’re a man,” when I try to learn their perspective and it honestly makes me feel belittled.

17 hours later 22005500 Anonymous
>>22005485 I'm f. I think what you wrote is fine. Maybe add a line that s nice like "you a good person" but don't feel obliged to I usually write something like "I had a nice time on __. However i don't think we are a good fit long term." Which is essentially what you're saying but I only date for long term partners so I try to reflect that

17 hours later 22005501 Anonymous
>>22003251 Guys: If you give a girl a decent amount of money, about 60 dollars, and you say you don’t want to be paid back, is that true? Or is it normal to pay him back anyway.

17 hours later 22005503 Anonymous
>>22005482 >Most shy/introverted guys also have love lives just fine. Lol, no. >most guys on here rarely ever even talk to new women There's no point in trying these days anyway if you're not a +8/10 Chad. I'm a shy guy, but I've talked to quite a few new bitches this year already and the conversations were friendly, but they never lead to bitches showing interest in me nor do they consider me as a dating partner. Quite demoralizing when you also have stories of bitches spreading their legs to Chads withing 5 minutes of meeting them. So fuck off.

17 hours later 22005504 Anonymous
>>22005486 The only smart person ITT ;__;

17 hours later 22005505 Anonymous (12653038241559547808.jpg 640x800 79kB)
>>22005477 How did you know? A-are you my friend or someone else? Won't you judge me for this? D:

17 hours later 22005506 Anonymous
>>22005485 I'm a woman, it's a good response, just remove the "I just don't think..." and make it "I don't feel that...". Depending on her personality, the former could make her feel there's a window for her to push for another date for you to be sure. You're telling her no. No wriggle room. Also I'd attach a lighter line, something like take care and be safe in this time, or a light comment on how you appreciate she introduced you to [something you joked about or she recommended]. You want to start positive, bring the news firmly and calmly, end positively.

17 hours later 22005509 Anonymous
>>22005503 Post a pic of yourself. I want to help you, you salty Anon. I'm not here to bully

17 hours later 22005510 Anonymous (1584500363483.jpg 236x249 6kB)
are women attracted to me just because im tall and have broad shoulders, despite my face being very average to ugly

17 hours later 22005519 Anonymous
>>22005476 It is often a kind of projection or a lack of understanding. Could be they think "never happened to me, so what did YOU do to make it happen?", or that they think "but if I did that, surely I would have a reason, right?" This is usually what happens. It is a kind of coping mechanism, to just "roll to disbelieve", basically. It is awful, unsympathetic, and void of human emotion to do it, but humans in general are not known for being good and kind people. Aside from a select few, most people only truly care about a very small handful of people, the rest would not get more than a few minutes of silence even if they died. I believe it is the term called monkey sphere that describes this.

17 hours later 22005521 Anonymous
>>22005505 Damn I love the Dark Crystal. That Mother Aughra cosplay is spot on!

17 hours later 22005524 Anonymous
>>22005492 Damn right i am, i want a good discussion here, not some high schoolers arguing a point that has been lost 40 posts ago, in your fight to outstrawman each other. Grow up, or have your petty and childish squabble elsewhere.

17 hours later 22005530 Anonymous
>>22005505 Haha sorry to be creepy. It's Lucy. It said she was in Brazil so I assumed it was you. Is that her? I want a folding bike like that. They look cute and I like that they have little wheels. Message her and ask her if she ever rides her bike around and pretends she is a clown.

17 hours later 22005531 Anonymous
>>22005524 No! If I get the last word that means I'm right! Honestly, though, I do get quite pissed and I'm sorry it almost derailed the thread.

17 hours later 22005539 Anonymous
>>22005498 Not going to lie this made me smile. I'm sure that we are in many sectors/areas of life (though my networks have revolved around the social work and later cultural anthropology fields and literary events), the key is learning to navigate small talk most effectively so you can recognize the people you want to talk to in the limited time you get to meet most of them. Elegantly ending a conversation when you realize this is not the person you wish to speak to, asking the questions or voicing the viewpoints that will tip someone else off that you want to go deep, fast. Also social snowballing, intelligent men and women that love to discuss these topics typically seek out friends that meet these needs, so once you find one if at all possible it is very much worth angling for invitations for their parties or tagging along to their nights out. Other than that any event relating to social topics you are passionate about will draw in a relatively high amount of people like this, but you'll still have to run into them during the drinks afterwards, which is why the first stage of talking is so important. >makes me feel belittled And not without reason. Imo in most cases it's just a way of saying they don't know where to begin/how to explain it and it tires them to go into all this stuff with the pressure of doing justice to their beliefs that are for most people just more nuanced and messy than they can articulate well, let alone on the spot. But if you ask me, the best response to a shut down like this is flat out saying "I get that my life experience doesn't give me personal insight into what it's like to be a woman, that's why I'm asking". If you say this in a calm and confident manner and a woman still responds dismissively, she's just a dick, no two ways around it. Don't sit and sigh about how someone couldn't possibly understand when the hardest part of understanding is showing interest in the first place - which you just did.

17 hours later 22005541 Anonymous
>>22005509 No, that would be a bad idea. Thank you though, you are very nice. But I already like being angry.

17 hours later 22005551 Anonymous
>>22005489 Maybe i am weird, but i just dont see how sympathy is something that has to be rationed. It is not a finite thing you lose. I didnt even bring it up, HR told them as a reason for why I no-showed at work. They could have been sympathic, and it would have taken nothing away from them. Or they could have stayed quiet and ignored it. >>22005494 >The reason for this psychologically is that it makes people very uncomfortable to feel that life is cruel and random and terrible things happen to people that make normal or even sensible decisions. If they tell themselves you only got raped because you did something ridiculous, they filed it away as not a threat for them personally (or the women they care about, in this case), you're just an outlier who broke the system with your lack of thinking I guess that makes sense, to some degree... i just sorta wish they didnt confront me about it. >>22005519 So basically the same as above. I guess that might just be it then. I guess im just weird then. I never felt the need for these things. Maybe i did need to do it, and maybe thats why i am like i am... who knows. I just wish compassion was more common than it is.

17 hours later 22005566 Anonymous
>>22005506 >>22005500 Thx senpaitachi. Sort of related but it seems the last several dates I've been on if I felt no spark they always did, if I did feel one they always didn't. Is something wrong with me? Is there a way I can harness this So i can pretend or fake aloofness?

17 hours later 22005567 Anonymous
>>22005530 >Haha sorry to be creepy >It said she was in Brazil so I assumed it was you You confused me, because your message implied that you didn't have an account, but you knew who I was. D: Can you somehow see her location without an account? >Is that her? The girl who I am making fun of, yes. Not the girl who I'm messaging. >Message her and ask her if she ever rides her bike around and pretends she is a clown >not sure if genuine question or you're into trolling her Is our pure girl here into trolling? :D

17 hours later 22005568 Anonymous
>>22005509 not him but when i try to approach girls it seems like o have to jump through 374849 invisible hoops and loops just to have her interested (beyond first impression) And then it always goes towards friendship and not romantic side of things. Some girl wanted to pull "we cant have sex because its too early" on me, yet did it with other dude REALLY early. Do i have some aura of stable provider that will settle for girl that fucked around, but will withdraw from me? A loser aura perhaps? And no shy guys dont get anything unless they are really good looking and girls are throwing themselves at them. Being average looks and introverted is death sentence

17 hours later 22005574 Anonymous
is it true chicks dig giant robots? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5o EVJ7ru2E

17 hours later 22005580 Anonymous
>>22005566 Nothing is wrong with you. It takes alot of searching to find someone you're genuinely compatible with imo. I think most people just settle with whatever they can get. >Is there a way I can harness this So i can pretend or fake aloofness? Maybe. I don't know how to do that so I can't advise you on that. I think being yourself is the best thing you can do because then they will know "the real you" sooner

17 hours later 22005587 Anonymous
>>22004290 >it's a blessing in disguise to be working exclusively with them I am just reading the thread through, and... i can never help but wonder how posters like you are in real life. Some are easy to imagine, based on their hateful/awkward/depressed messages, but this just seems so different. Reading someone work directly with a virus that has reached pandemic status, and call it a blessing, and on an anonymous board where it gets literally 0 recognition, just makes me so bewildered. It does give me some hope that there are legitimately good people out there. Take care, anon.

17 hours later 22005602 Anonymous
>>22005574 Depends. Without clicking the link, i am pretty sure i know the intro. TTGL was a great show. I did have some fond memories of megas as well, but i was too old to really appreciate it when it first aired where i live.

17 hours later 22005606 Anonymous
>>22005568 >>22005509 then theres another situation when i was crushing on a girl and i asked her out eventually after some time, she turned around and ran away without saying a thing. Year later (i started lifting, grooming, clothes, etc basic looksmaxxing) she came back to work, and started getting interested in me, we were becoming friends and talking a lot. She was asking my sister about me, dropping certain hints but i never really acted on it. But then comes this dude, who was undeniably far more handsome than me, and she outright tells him "i like you", he asks her out and they start dating right there and then. They broke up lter because he was a drug addict trashcan Women will screech how looks arent important and then go crawling on floor for best looking dude. Looks arent important when you are looking for financial stability, thats for sure. (aka after you had about 5+ dudes beforehand)

17 hours later 22005608 Anonymous
>>22005566 Nothing's wrong, it could be that you have higher standards for what you're looking for (a LOT of people dating are just looking for someone they find attractive and nice in order to remain interested, if you are looking for someone you like exceptionally much you're going to run into that) and if you are particularly handsome or charming this is almost impossible to avoid. Definitely don't put on a distant persona to avoid a potential feeling on the other person's side. As long as you don't actively imply or act like you are much more interested than you are (like casually mentioning future dates when you're still very much on the fence about whether you'd ever like another one with her) as unfortunate as it is, those women's feelings are not your responsibility.

17 hours later 22005609 Anonymous
>>22005501 What were the circumstances around the lending?

17 hours later 22005611 Anonymous
>>22005567 >Can you somehow see her location without an account? I do have an OKC account that I don't use yet (just filled in some of the text and answered 900+ questions, no photo) I go on 4chan on a separate browser and I had to copy and paste the link instead of just clicking it. Massively inconvenient :( I'm a little mean desu. I'm more into the idea of trolling than actual trolling. Id never say that to her in person but I'd definitely think it. How are things with the girl you're talking to?

17 hours later 22005612 Anonymous
>>22005587 she said working with those is blessing compared to regular people that visit her workplace I know it. Waiting sucks. But they dont make you wait for no reason Thats why here in NL ER has a big sign "YOU ARE BEING HELPED BASED ON URGENCY NOT ARRIVAL TIME"

17 hours later 22005622 Anonymous (GAOGAIGAR.gif 320x240 2355kB)
>>22005602 that's nice, i like giant robots and it would be ace if i could find a woman who does, or at least not think i'm weird for it

17 hours later 22005629 Anonymous
>>22005568 I like introverted guys who are average best. Without knowing you I can't give you good advice on "what is wrong with you". I doubt there is actually anything wrong with you that is unfixable and you are definitely not a loser, though. You do however, probably give off bad impressions or do things that are unattractive to the women you mention. >Some girl wanted to pull "we cant have sex because its too early" on me, yet did it with other dude REALLY early. I can't comment on this because I feel like I'm missing context. Did she have sex with this guy before she met you and regret it? Did she reject you then found an other guy and slept with him? Her actions aren't a reflection of your worth as a person. Don't take it as that.

18 hours later 22005661 Anonymous
>>22005629 we were meeting and she outright said "i cant have sex with guys who i didnt meet at least 5 times aha" Then fucks a dude (which she said herself later) after first meeting. She was fine with meeting me still but lied about the dude to my face. But she was legitimately mental and too old for me already so whatever, its her choice I AM bitter because thats what decade of straight rejections does to a human. I certainly am not as social as maybe i should be. Maybe im not agressive enough in my advances. But from what my buddies are telling me, getting girlfriends becomes much easier once you already get one. And many, many men are stuck in catch 22 situation of not getting gf because they dont have gf (and social proof) Or you can settle for single moms and become a literal cuck. That works too. At least someone will tell you they "love" you (or the economical part of living with you) Seems to be the case with most of my buddies that are really good dudes, but all they can get is desperate women If you tried to have kids for 10 years straight and nothing seems to help despite your really good efforts, and most women telling you around to give up and adopt already. Would that make you bitter angry or sad?

18 hours later 22005668 Anonymous
>>22005455 Hey, if you're still here, I'd like an opinion on something I just remembered At Xmas I mentioned offhand something with the family that my parents were both surprised I knew off the top of my head, when one said, "you're always smart" my sister just about lost it, she brought up the (true) fact that growing up my parents complimented me much more on that (I'd agree sexism they just didn't think of). But there was also the undeniable fact that I just coasted through school without putting in much effort to get As and Bs, while she busted her ass and put in a lot more time to get the same. Or that I tested at a collegiate reading level in 8th grade, but she tested 9th grd lvl at same. If I was the smart one and she was the hard working one wouldn't it be sensible to compliment each of our strengths? Calling me hardworking would have been a lie. Also since you liked history books, any chance you know of any good reading on how peoples of Europe survived winter with no food growing and no good form of food storage to keep stuff from going bad?

18 hours later 22005704 Anonymous
how do you toe the line as a man between appearing desperate and showing attention to women, while still staying aloof and busy in your own life? Do you just do your own shit until you meet a woman who matches up with you the way you both receive and give attention?

18 hours later 22005710 Anonymous
>>22005704 its simple you have to be attractive enough that she chases you instead of other way around

18 hours later 22005715 Anonymous
>>22005710 im seemingly considered quite attractive, the vast majority of women find me cute or hot etc, but I just havent found any of them I actually think would add to my life. Like I have women I could have if I wanted them but i just dont, so i stay single and become lonely, then feel bad for myself because I'm perhaps shooting too high?

18 hours later 22005719 Anonymous
>>22005715 same but im not attractive so no help from me

18 hours later 22005723 Anonymous
>>22005661 >And many, many men are stuck in catch 22 situation of not getting gf because they dont have gf (and social proof) Based on my limited experience with dating most men who have never had a gf before have something off about them socially. They're either crippling shy or act in a cringey way. They're more likely to be overly possessive or insecure and not understand healthy boundaries. I don't think dating is like trying to find a job, where you need prior work experience to get hired. There are other factors at play. I can't comment on anything else you have to say. I see where you're coming from even if I think you misinterpret some of it. I know you're in a shitty situation and I'd probably be bitter if I was in the same position as you.

18 hours later 22005727 Anonymous (1280px-Cranberry_bog.jpg 1280x844 290kB)
>>22005723 Sorry to jump in on the conversation but even though I had brief relationships before, >Based on my limited experience with dating most men who have never had a gf before have something off about them socially. They're either crippling shy or act in a cringey way. They're more likely to be overly possessive or insecure and not understand healthy boundaries. This sounds like and not in a good way. How do I get out of this rut? How can I change? Can I even change, being "on the spectrum"? Is asking at the local ASD centre a good idea or would it be wallowing in my weaknesses? I feel like I tried way too hard to fit in and improve myself to just accept I'm not dating material.

18 hours later 22005731 Anonymous
>>22005723 >something is off about them, not the fact they didnt have relationship Yes, many dudes act cringy and are unlikeable long term. So are many girls. But when someone is not that talkative, and doesnt like going out, he is being labelled a creep or school shooter only because he isnt physically attractive. An attractive dude would be called mysterious and woman logic would turn his lack of social contacts into POSITIVE

18 hours later 22005738 Anonymous
I’m really worried that I’m a rebound. My bf broke up with his online girlfriend a couple of weeks ago. It wasn’t anything serious but now that we’re dating, he’s suddenly started talking to me much more and seems to just suddenly care about me a lot more. Is this a sign of being a rebound?

18 hours later 22005744 Anonymous
Well anons, took some time and thought about my girlfriends past and how much I trust her and it doesn't sit right with me. Thanks for all the help, I'm the repeat anon.

19 hours later 22005749 Anonymous
>>22005738 your upset your boyfriend is talking to you more than when you guys weren't together? the state of women wow

19 hours later 22005750 Anonymous
>>22005727 I'm sorry Anon. I don't know what would fix it other than therapy, non-judgemental self reflection (thinking "I am afraid I will be alone and tend to do ___ behavior when dating" and not "I'm a loser who will be 4evrr alone." Because the latter is not helpful and not objectively accurate), asking people who know you well and know the things you do and can provide accurate advice on how to improve. I think some of what I described could be related to being on a spectrum. I kind of suspect I have it (as a female) but being in the US it would be financially crippling to seek a diagnosis as an adult. Alot of the types of guys I pursue tend to also be spectrum-y and I see these behaviors in them. I don't know if the ASD center can help you but it's worth a try. I don't think there is ever anything wrong with trying. Please don't feel any type of shame about it. I think shame and self judgement fucks people over even more. I think you can change but I don't know how. Alot of my bad habits I learned to stop doing over time with practice and therapy. I think if you tried the therapy route, you'd need to find someone who specializes in social behavior and "interpersonal effectiveness" I think. I did a type of therapy called DBT which has skills on interpersonal effectiveness and I found it really helpful in understanding how to interact with people better (but I'm still not great. It requires practice). If you Google "dbt interpersonal effectiveness" you might find info that might be relevant to you. I said all that stuff and I still think the people who do those things deserve to be loved. I think you should still try to date. I'm rambling a little sorry I hope I answered your questions

19 hours later 22005763 Anonymous
>>22005731 >Yes, many dudes act cringy and are unlikeable long term. So are many girls. I agree >But when someone is not that talkative, and doesnt like going out, he is being labelled a creep or school shooter only because he isnt physically attractive. You're generalizing and this comes off as you accepting defeat and not trying identify and correct any actual issues. Are you fat? That is fixable. Are you poorly groomed to the point you appear lazy and dirty? That is fixable. Did you survive a burning car crash and are forever scarred? No fixable I'm sorry and might actually make it hard for you to date. Post a pic and I'll try to give you advice on your appearance. I still think you're blaming a series of problems you may have on just you being ugly. Either that or I have incredibly low standards because I for sure date guys who are average looking to slightly ugly. I do not, however, date jerks with obvious personality problems.

19 hours later 22005776 Anonymous (fat.png 381x703 292kB)
>>22005763 im 5/10 on good day. physically strong, tall and broad shoulders i have maturing hairline and big roman nose, pointy long chin that contribute to overall ba dpicture

19 hours later 22005792 Anonymous
>>22005776 Your body is really attractive desu. Like my ideal dimensions. Now I'm blushing. Are you European? This isn't fat by American standards at all. I hope you aren't posting body pics to dating sites. That's usually a no-go for most women I think. I can't critique your appearance bc you didn't really show me anything. What type of close do you wear? How do you style your hair? Idk how old you are but I assume women in their mid to late 20s don't care about hairline. I stopped caring by 24

19 hours later 22005799 Anonymous
>>22005629 >>22005763 also ive been called cute before by women. Once jokingly female coworker gave me nickname "cute" in her language that she used to call me all the time Other time other female coworker said "i wish i had boyfriend like you" while being engaged. Other time girl called me handsome man. Im not bragging. I think i can be decent looking, sometimes. But the thing is i am really slow when it comes to making close contact with anybody. And usually they dont care enough to get to know me closer either. Maybe im boring, maybe my standards are too high. Maybe i cannot into empathy. Theres many things that can be wrong with me. Having really bad 10-20yo social isolationphase is not helping either. And then you throw on top some blackpill concepts and sprinkle it with bad irl experiences and you end up with 27 year old incel

19 hours later 22005812 Anonymous
>>22005799 All of this makes me believe it is changeable and you just don't see it. I think this is an attitude/depression/nihilism/too much isolation issue and I believe you can overcome this. >But the thing is i am really slow when it comes to making close contact with anybody. And usually they dont care enough to get to know me closer either. There is nothing wrong with this at all. Are you using tinder or slower dating platforms? Maybe you need to only pursue a serious relationship and not participate in hookup culture. I'm annoyed that you made it seems so hopeless and it sounds like you actually have a chance at having a relationship with someone.

19 hours later 22005814 Anonymous
>>22005792 i do try to do something with hair, regular haircuts and styled top of hair with some product. Luckily im not outrifht balding, only shit hairline Fit is usually >fitting jeans and tshirt and casual shoes Once in blue moon i will wear dark dress shirt with dark jeans I hate formal clothing Listen i know hiw important those things are, i went from being invisible to women to being at least checked out sometimes. Gym + above makes huge difference. But it still doesnt fix the issue of outright not being able to find relationship. Im messaging a girl i know atm. she seems ok, but probably she isnt that interested either.

19 hours later 22005816 Anonymous
Question for male anons: Hi, big nosed kinda chubby (141 pounds) girl here, are these characteristics deal breakers? Tits and ass are fine I guess, short haired and the rest of the face isn't actually that bad. Every girl I see posted and praised here is thin and beautiful, all of them are freakin models (Instagram, tik tok, you know). Should I ignore this? Am I too fat/ugly/rejectable for this world?

19 hours later 22005820 Anonymous
>>22005510 Don't think so, probably you have some other traits (funny, smart, kind...). You're broad shoulders alone aren't going to get you a girl, that's for sure

19 hours later 22005824 Anonymous
>>22005611 >900+ questions :O I answered 600, but 90+% of the girls don't even answer 20, at least these main ones give a good indication. How is it when searching for guys? >I go on 4chan on a separate browser and I had to copy and paste the link instead of just clicking it Why don't you the Kuroba app? >Massively inconvenient :( Sowwy. :c >I'm a little mean desu I could never guess. You're so nice. >I'm more into the idea of trolling than actual trolling I'm into trolling. >How are things with the girl you're talking to? Like this: >>22004086 I can't "read" her. According to her, she talks with everyone and everyone love her (so, she is a normie), but she doesn't show interest in me (like a normie would). But she doesn't ghost me or say negative things to me. I'm not messaging her much, I don't message her at all during work, because I don't want short replies. Yesterday, I indirectly called her out on being so energetic, because she seems quiet to me on messages. She said >Always busy >Solving things here [at work] She is so neutral. She showed interest in at least 1 message on OKC and when she added and, finally, contacted on WhatsApp (I only waited for her, didn't message her on OKC).

19 hours later 22005830 Anonymous
>>22005816 For me, yes. But guys tastes very wildly, I know a few friend who have you description as the deal maker.

19 hours later 22005834 Anonymous
>Just chatting with friend >She says it's weird but sometimes she thinks of scenarios about her marrying her friend and how it would work out >Go like "haha wut" then she retells the story, but this time uses her bf's name Was that about me? Why the change?

19 hours later 22005839 Anonymous
>>22005824 Yeah haha 900 is too much. I might have to purge some to look less insane, or have a backup with fewer questions. I kept answering because I want to find someone who is a good fit for me so I kept going. Most guys answer <80 questions. Some answer 100-200. Very few answer over 300. I used Mimi for a while but deleted it when trying to use my phone less. Now I just use a browser. I like that it looks like how it is on the computer. Apps change the look too much. Maybe you just need to be patient with her if she doesn't use her phone at work. You guys are talking regularly though? Could you eventually schedule a Skype date maybe? (Idk if normies would go for this, but this is my plan if I decide to start dating. I think it'd be romantic to have a skype date) coronavirus could last for several months :/

20 hours later 22005861 Anonymous
>>22005816 short hair look good on 3/100 women sorry to say unfortunately same women also would look as good in long hair aswell little chub is fine big noses, well depends on shape, and even if its really bad rhinoplasty is a thing. And i know certain dudes who like big noses on girls(i was crushing for looong time on girl with one myself, she wasnt that pretty in hindsight but forbsome reason she was 10/10 in my eyes and we were good friends, or ibwas in the friendzone idk) I bet my hand you have

20 hours later 22005865 Anonymous
>>22005820 what if i get attention from girls (even the ones tha supposedly have bf) if we basically never spoke before and i dont even know her name

20 hours later 22005879 Anonymous (5f41da2.jpg 1528x1528 416kB)
>>22005750 Sorry for answering late, I was having a shower and mulling it over in my head. And sorry for making you feel bad, that wasn't my intention at all. Self reflection should definitely help, and it sounds like great advice to ask people who know me well- I just don't really happen to have an IRL social circle, unfortunately. > Please don't feel any type of shame about it. I'm not too worried about that. I'm more worried about people thinking I just want attention by going there or something. Although I guess that's something that only really happened once and I fixated on it. I have the documents for my diagnoses so I hope it will be okay. And don't feel bad about not being able to get a professional diagnosis. You are you, and wheter you have an ASD or not it sounds like you are in touch with your self if you know what I mean, which is good. > you'd need to find someone who specializes in social behavior and "interpersonal effectiveness" I think. I'll try to see if the centre has a contact for anyone like that, or if my psychiatrist does > I did a type of therapy called DBT which has skills on interpersonal effectiveness and I found it really helpful in understanding how to interact with people better (but I'm still not great. It requires practice). If you Google "dbt interpersonal effectiveness" you might find info that might be relevant to you. Will look that up right away! > I think you should still try to date. I'll give it my best shot. Even if it doesn't work out, it's a good motivation for self improvement to hope it will. > I'm rambling a little sorry I hope I answered your questions Actually you gave me a lot of great info and pointers, not to mention encouragement. I'm really grateful. Thank you!

20 hours later 22005884 Anonymous
>>22005839 >I might have to purge some to look less insane That's not the problem. Depending on how strong is your opinion, the other person's opinion and OkC's algorithm, the 90% match means nothing, because OkC puts too much weight on agreements, in my opinion. It's more important to answer to few things THAT MATTER than many bullshit that doesn't matter or repeated/similar questions. I just don't change my 600, because it's working well enough. >Most guys answer <80 questions. Some answer 100-200. Very few answer over 300 Thanks for the statistics! >Maybe you just need to be patient with her if she doesn't use her phone at work She does use it at work, but it must be for work reasons. >You guys are talking regularly though? Messaging almost everyday. But it's so neutral. ._. >Could you eventually schedule a Skype date maybe? I'm kind of scared of that. I think I'd be more anxious and awkward than on a real date. > could last for several months :/ Yep.

20 hours later 22005901 Anonymous
>>22005816 It sounds like you are kinda fishing for compliments. You already know none of this makes you "too rejectable for this world", for fucks sake. If your issue is self esteem, consider working on self improvement. Are you not going to get approached by the cream of the crop? Yeah maybe. But you probably aren't ugly, let alone undateable or someone who would have to scrape the barrel to find a partner. Chubby girls can be pretty cute and comfortable to cuddle with, and big noses on girls dont seem that uncommon yet these girls still are considered pretty. It does depend on shape though. Speaking of popularity though, stop comparing yourself with instagram models. The reason we post them here is because they are usually the ones who post pictures of themselves on the internet , these pictures are pretty enough for people to save and share someone finally posts them here when absentmindedly searching their download file for a picture to post. Nobody is gonna post their girlfriend on 4chan as long or someone they know as they are a decent person, so that's why it's just models. So I hope you realise how ridiculous it is to compare yourself to them. I hope you get what I'm trying to say.

20 hours later 22005910 Anonymous
>>22005901 * depend on shape of the nose * stop comparing yourself to * and someone finally posts * download folder * nobody is gonna post their girlfriend or someone they know as long as they're a decent person Wow I really mangled that post. Probably a time to hit the hay.

20 hours later 22005933 Anonymous
msgd this girl that i know irl She gave me some hints she might be interested. We msgd briefly, random bs about education and how long were here (were both foreigners) I briefly described my preferences regarding how i spend my time etc and some bs Whats my move now, wait for her to open next convo?

20 hours later 22005934 Anonymous
>>22005884 It's good sign that she is at least messaging you I think. And yeah I guess it could be more awkward than cute to do a Skype date haha. I think people will have to get creative at some point , if they want to date but not expose themselves to I'll was. Maybe we will all get it eventually and be immune or something. Idk

20 hours later 22005949 Anonymous (1583712078385.png 1080x1080 1929kB)
would you feel threatened/afraid if i complimented your green eyes after thanking you for helping me with work related issue last week?

20 hours later 22005953 Anonymous
>>22005949 I don't think I could feel threatened by someone who is into trannies

20 hours later 22005964 Anonymous
>>22005953 then its a green light thanks also i literally had no idea thats a tranny h-haha (i still would cuddle with him haha)

21 hours later 22005970 Anonymous
>>22005949 Why threatened? Kinda off put perhaps. "Thanks for helping me out the other day. btw your eyes are like emerald lakes in a tropical jungle" That's fucking weird. Also, the fact that you ask if that would make someone feel threatened, makes me think you have threatening things on your mind.

21 hours later 22006001 Anonymous
Am male. I'm thinking back to on valentines day, I was at a bar with some friends. While I was standing there some lil short girl shoved into me pretty deliberately. She wasn't making eye contact but gave just a little push, more than just trying to get by, and there was plenty of space around anyways. I wasn't really looking to hook up that night was pretty gassed nonetheless. My question for femanons is this: 1. The Fuck? 2. What is the move following that? Should I have hollered?

21 hours later 22006003 Anonymous
>>22005749 I’m not upset, just confused. I like it a lot, it’s just out of the blue and I’m scared it might just be him using me as a replacement.

21 hours later 22006006 Anonymous
>>22005934 Last messages, starting from me: >now with this coronavirus situation, when are we going to see each other >when this is over >I hope this ends soon, because I want to know what happens on the next chapters of our novela (soap opera/TV series) >Laughs She killed the conversation. At least it was positive, I guess. >And yeah I guess it could be more awkward than cute to do a Skype date haha. I think people will have to get creative at some point I don't know what I'll do. This is so recent and new. Also, I don't have experience. Maybe we'll have to video chat. I don't even know if she would like that or not. It would be easier if she was the one to suggest it, though. (This is also a hint for you, as a girl, when you get in such situation). >Maybe we will all get it eventually and be immune or something This is so complex. I wonder what will happen when area that were safe accidentally let an infected into it and the virus spreads again among those who didn't get it the first time.

21 hours later 22006016 Anonymous
>>22006003 if he broke it off with an online girl and immediately came to you, presumably he asked you out im guessing that, then he probably just realized he actually liked you in that way a lot more than this e-girl. Likely you should look at this as a positive as he chose to come after you, rather than being a rebound. you should be happy

21 hours later 22006023 Anonymous
>>22005970 i dont know that girl that well we just briefly spoke before hand and she seems very friendly as she was helping me last week i saw her first time up close and she has amazing green eyes, which is somewhat rare with dark blonde hair I was thinking just "hey, thanks for helping me last week. You have really nice eyes" Thats it. Maybe it is too much forward. Ill just ask whats her name Im not big into homeric comparisions

21 hours later 22006053 Anonymous
>>22006016 I hope so, I’ll let myself be happy for now and try not to fuck everything up with my constant worrying

21 hours later 22006057 Anonymous
What does it mean if a girl is overly friendly face-to-face, but makes no effort to message me and takes a while to reply online?

22 hours later 22006118 Anonymous
>>22006006 I don't know how most people handle conversations. Usually, if I am talking to a guy we are writing paragraphs of text to eachother, so there is plenty to talk about and reply to. Do you have to initiate the messages usually? Is she a nurse? Is that why she is busy? I could see why she would be distant if so. I'll keep it in mind. Are people still using apps? Are they still busy? I kind of wonder if people will be more likely or less likely to date within the next year >This is so complex. I wonder what will happen when area that were safe accidentally let an infected into it and the virus spreads again among those who didn't get it the first time. People are saying after this initial round of infections to expect more. It's gonna happen a few times, but each time it's be a smaller amount of people who get ill. :/

22 hours later 22006132 Anonymous
>>22006023 If she hears that compliment alot, it might be meaningless to her.

22 hours later 22006155 Anonymous
>>22006118 >I don't know how most people handle conversations I don't chat much, but I know how most people handle conversations. >Usually, if I am talking to a guy we are writing paragraphs of text to eachother, so there is plenty to talk about and reply to Me too. >Do you have to initiate the messages usually? We only exchange a few messages per day, so we usually just reply to the last message. I always have to be the one to come up with something to talk to. >Is she a nurse? Is that why she is busy? She is a public servant, works for the government. Sometimes I wonder if she is talking to other guys and I'm on the back burner. But she seems genuine, I think she would tell me something if she was. She never changes her behavior and she almost never was online on OkC. So, that makes me think it's unlikely. >Are people still using apps? Dating apps? Yes. >I kind of wonder if people will be more likely or less likely to date within the next year I think it won't have much effect on the dating sites. Just there will fewer physical dates, sex, accidental babies, etc. >but each time it's be a smaller amount of people who get ill. :/ Unless it gets mutated. Either way, this will take a long time.

23 hours later 22006181 Anonymous
>>22006132 As someone with dark blonde hair and green eyes, I can 100% guarantee that she hears that compliment and unless she already really likes/dislikes that guy, she probably won’t even remember what he said the next day.

23 hours later 22006182 Anonymous
>>22006132 she doesnt hear it from me tho

23 hours later 22006188 Anonymous
>>22006181 post em closeup so i only eye area is shown

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