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2019-06-12 05:36 21004081 Anonymous (index.jpg 225x225 6kB)
How do we fix society /adv/? We need to get young peoples 30 and under into social communities where they feel valuable, so that they can start to develop healthily again. A sense of belonging and purpose is incredibly important to psychological well-being, and unless there is serious underlying trauma or physical ailment, would be capable of absolving many issues faced by young peoples. To be clear, this won't cure Autism, but it would help to fix the 'faux autism' of people placing themselves within the autistic spectrum frivolously because they're socially disenfranchised. You could say "Oh but Discord exists" etc. etc., but it really isn't a substitute. People need to be around other people. It's just how we're programmed. How much 'other people' time we need can vary (what you might call introversion vs extroversion), but it's still somewhat necessary. As a young person myself, the options feel extremely limited for becoming established within a circle somewhere - if you don't have that network from your time in education, you're pretty much screwed. We need to fix this issue. How do we begin, /adv/?

3 min later 21004097 Anonymous
>>21004081 You can join the military or the Peace corps?

4 min later 21004106 Anonymous
>>21004097 I suppose, but I was thinking more like, addressing this as a wide-scale issue. I'm doing ok, personally, but I've witnessed how badly even the perception of isolation can affect people.

7 min later 21004116 Anonymous
>>21004106 It's tough to have a one-size-fits-all solution to social problems since it's so inherently personal. The best I think that can be done is just to have an awareness campaign go out to encourage people to "get out there" somehow and remind them that there are people that do care and to build your own community. Kind of like "drop that iphone and go out to meet people IRL"

10 min later 21004127 Anonymous
>>21004116 My community sucks, it's sucked ever since they started settling African refugees up on the heights What's my incentive for going out in public when it's full of people who don't speak the same language as me or abide by the same common courtesies found in my culture? ^ fix that and you got yourself a solution

12 min later 21004138 Anonymous
>>21004116 I agree, it is difficult, no one person will have the same interests and no one person will fit in with all crowds. What we need to do is try to establish places for these people to engage with one another in healthily relationships. So I guess, let me ask this to the people on /adv/: 1) Was there ever a drop-off in your social life? 2) Did you ever do after-school clubs? 3) If you answered yes to both, did the drop-off in social life correlate with dropping after-school clubs? I'm 25 and about to start working at a school, so I really want to promote this idea locally. I guess it'd be a sort of trial.

25 min later 21004199 Anonymous
First you have to figure out what exactly you think is wrong with society.

29 min later 21004218 Anonymous
>>21004199 Thought I was pretty clear - loneliness is a massive issue even amongst young people. From my research, it's also one of the biggest factors that contributes to violent acts (such as mass shootings). You can never eliminate criminality, but you can help to mitigate it by giving people a place to belong in society.

35 min later 21004241 Anonymous
>>21004218 Is this something actually backed up by facts or just wishful thinking from your part?

40 min later 21004264 Anonymous
>>21004241 I conducted research on the matter. It wasn't the primary thing I was looking for, but something I incidentally ran into. So, we can call it a mix. It's not completely asinine, but it could surely be better founded; either way, I'd rather take the chance on building communities as an absolution to some of the core problems faced by people, than ignore it and hope someone else comes up with the solution. Like I said, it's not a cure for trauma or things that affect your cognition. It's more for the generalized lethargy and low self worth a lot of young people seem to exhibit. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a 'the old days were better', because you still had the ostracized and cut-out, but it feels like people are inadvertently opting into that 'socially isolated' way of living because they have distractions (like mobile phones, that include a.. form, but not whole form, of socialization).

59 min later 21004318 Anonymous
I need something like this in my life. I wish I could find people with similar interests somewhere but unfortunately I live in a small town where no one really talks with each other, plus it would hard to find people with interesests same as mine (it would be hard not to find people that wouldn't laugh at me). I'm too poor to move out of my parents' house but I wish I could (I can't get any job besides those that pay so poorly you can only pay bills and barely any food). I feel starved. I don't have any friends besides one guy that comes occasionally but when he does come I'm usually too depressed to talk. Probably not even worth mentioning, but also will probably die a virgin. I'm thinking about killing myself, people always say "it gets better after X" but so far it didn't get better at all, only worse.

1 hours later 21004328 Anonymous
>>21004318 >it would be hard not to find people that wouldn't laugh at me Sorry. >it would be hard to find people that wouldn't laugh at me

1 hours later 21004525 Anonymous
>>21004081 >fix society Ya can't fix what ain't broke.

2 hours later 21004586 Anonymous (AR-190319944.jpg 1865x2051 80kB)
>>21004081 The current economic-institutional context prevents the formation of such communities. Unless you're talking about squatting; which is legitimate, but not for everyone. Now, I have some concrete ideas, but y'ain't gonna like it.

2 hours later 21004602 Anonymous
>>21004586 >concrete ideas Such as?

2 hours later 21004649 Anonymous
>>21004602 I'll genuinely try. Just be gentle, please. My post was pretty baity, yeah, but one shouldn't be too harsh toward attempts at articulation.

3 hours later 21004802 Anonymous
>>21004602 >>21004649 It occurred to me, after some thinking, that it is impossible to give suggestions on the policy level without clarifying their background. Right. So, let's first deal with the interpersonal, and then with the personal. This is all a bit jumbled, and I've restarted writing several times, as I'm genuinely trying to be serious about this. First the framework. Regarding the interpersonal, I will assume man to be essentially (with all the difficulties of calling anything regarding man "essential") tending toward the social - craving affection, affirmation, contact. As such, I consider the increasing tendency toward isolation, though undoubtably a common case, a deviance from the essential case. What are, then, the roots of such a strange deviance from a (presumably) essential inclination? If this deviance is a common case, it signifies a distance of the "historic" man from the "essential" man - though this formulation is actually untenable, as, if there is such a thing as essential humanity, it is not on the same level of complexity as its historic expression, and for that, we can't say there's a distance between them as if they were phaenomena of the same level. The correct formulation would be that, in the historic articulation of what is essential, the way of articulation is anthitetic to what is supposed to be articulated. That is, that, through its articulation, an inclination is twisted into something more resembling its opposite. So, a question arises of what guides the articulation of an essential inclination. That would be the context of social and material relations, intertwined with the cultural expression of them (as it still remains a question for me whether it is acceptable to characterize that as superstructure; this question is much more connected to psychology than it commonly seems to marxists). [cont.?]

3 hours later 21004925 Anonymous
>>21004802 Seeing as the groundwork is made, now it follows to problematize in which way the material and social relations, and their cultural expressions, deform essential inclinations through articulation. Firstly, on the interpersonal basis. In the analysis of the historic state, it seems fine to observe the time of labour (importantly - seeing as we're talking about the historic, rather than the essential state, the difficulty of proving the essential distinctiveness of labour from the other activities is circumvented - we are talking about market labour) as distinct from free time. Importantly, we will, for substantial similarities, not only in the structural position (of preparation for labour; that is, the reproduction of the work-force), but in the content (formal hierarchy, control over and standardization of the labour/learning process), consider education a part of the theoretic construct of labour. With the groundwork cleared, let's first observe the labour time and then the free time (it has now become obvious to me that I am not at all following the scheme of examination I've first outlined, as labour contains within itself both the personal and interpersonal sphere - but, oh well, what the hell). The time devoted to labour (including the time of preparation and recuperation for/from labour) is, if we observe the historic dimension (I wonder what could be said about labour essentially, and if even is a distinct cathegory), asocial and more-or-less rigidly structured (externally in any area that is already not internally structured - machining labour is almost fully internally structured, the rythm being dictated by the machine's rythm, while other sorts of labour are predominantly externally structured through the action of supervisors and bureaucratic standardization). So, let's talk about the asociality of labour. Whether I will leave the structure of labour aside I am still considering, as it also has implications. [cont.?]

3 hours later 21004928 Anonymous
I know you killed Paul Allen, Bateman.

4 hours later 21004967 Anonymous
>>21004081 >We need to get young peoples 30 and under into social communities where they feel valuable they are in communities(college, job) and they feel valuable and content, because they are, what we call NORMALFAGS

4 hours later 21004982 Anonymous
>>21004602 I'm really, really, really sorry, I genuinely wanted to write something non-trivial, but I'm going for a beer now and won't be able to finish it.

8 hours later 21005800 Anonymous
Man, its awful Marxisty in here. I want to say shit put it pails in comparison. I guess forcing someone to get out there is cool but all this structure and the ability to never get off ass because internet. Kids grew up idle as fuck in my time and this allows for meeting at the candy shop after school, going to library to play D&D, shit like that lasts into adulthood. Kids don't go out by themselves so much anymore. I was wondering if "speed dating" was still a thing? Someone decided we had to do that shit in high school. It was cool to have quick conversations and try to cram a bunch in. Discover that people are people. Talk outside comfort zone. After a session, dudes would do it again with the girls excluded. Seems like it would be helpful if that was a thing. Not just opposite sex but like speed friending.

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