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2014-04-25 06:43 6498637 Anonymous (libss.jpg 250x428 20kB)
How has your scientific knowledge effect your political views?

1 min later 6498642 Anonymous
Being a genius, I know that liberalism is a mental disorder.

4 min later 6498648 Anonymous
Entropy goes directly against the way the universe works so perfectly. The repeating patterns in applied mathematics show some kind of order and design to me. To me, this shows the existence of some kind of creator of the universe.

4 min later 6498650 Anonymous
>>6498637 >effect <takes deep breath> I'll ignore that for now. Science hasn't really affected my political views that much. However, I do have strong opinions on education, though it's not really a result of my scientific knowledge.

15 min later 6498664 Anonymous
>>6498642 Scientists (even excluding the social sciences) tend to lean liberal.

17 min later 6498668 Anonymous
>>6498664 American liberal or actual liberal?

20 min later 6498672 Anonymous
>>6498668 neither is acceptable

22 min later 6498676 Anonymous (plc.png 243x263 4kB)


23 min later 6498678 Anonymous
It's pointed my views towards being somewhat anti-religion with regards to political policy, but not much else

25 min later 6498680 Anonymous
Pretty much indifferent, but leaning more towards the left, than right.

28 min later 6498684 Anonymous
>>6498678 If it's subjective politics shouldn't touch it. I'd you can't prove it, don't make legislation about it/based on it

35 min later 6498693 Anonymous
>>6498637 It's made me want to be less political and not to trust people who are obsessed with politics are use politics to identify themselves. That's not to say I don't have beliefs or ideas about public policies, economics and society. I just want to stay as far away from parties and toxic ideologies as a I can. But I can't really have a conversation about what I think without being pigeonholed and being part of the game. It's very frustrating. It's like "This is what I think about issue X, and A, B, or C is why" and then suddenly "Well that's very Blue/Red/Yellow of you to say that. So typical. I bet you hate everything I love and love everything I hate. Why don't you just go do something hyperbolic? I can't believe you honestly support insertmostextremeexampleofwhaticoul dhavemeant." I've noticed that if you're neutral, then extremists see it as being the other side. If you're talking to a supporter of one party, they assume you're an extreme member of the party they hate. And when you explain that your view has nothing to do with a political philosophy they give you a deer in a headlights look and then sperg out.

36 min later 6498694 Anonymous
>>6498672 people shouldn't be free?

39 min later 6498696 Anonymous
>>6498694 >implying the left doesn't strip individual freedoms, whereas the right allows for them

40 min later 6498698 Anonymous
>>6498696 liberal means left now?

46 min later 6498703 Anonymous
>>6498698 In the US it's backwards. What Europeans call liberal we call Classical Liberal. It's a common misconception among our peoples. Most Americans don't understand the left vs right scale. They think facism is on the far right and communism is on the far left. They don't realize it's total government at the left and no government at the right. The US is centerist. We're so obsessed with fighting amongst ourselves that we see our parties at extreme ends of the scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dio QooFIcgE Most people also think that the US is a Democracy.

48 min later 6498706 Anonymous
>>6498693 That pretty much describes how it works on 4shit.

49 min later 6498707 Anonymous
>>6498703 >total government at the left and no government Both parties are working hard for total government. This isn't truly a distinction in American politics.

54 min later 6498715 Anonymous
>>6498707 Left/right isn't a party. Republican is a party, Democrat is a party. You gotta stop trying to associate each party with an end of the spectrum. In the beginning, both parties were pretty much in the same place on the scale with slight differences. Republicans were federalists and Democrats were not. Federalism being power shared between local/state and federal governments. Jefferson hated Federalism. He and Washington never got along because of it. Washington was on Hamilton's side and liked Federalism. So we got two parties. Those parties have obviously changed over the years but them being in a similar spot today isn't surprising. Politics in America is played between the 30 yard lines.

54 min later 6498716 Anonymous
>>6498707 This. The only difference between the Democrats and GOP in the US is how nationalistic they are. Ranging from Quite Nationalist with the Democrats to Very Nationalist with the GOP. The gaps between their stances socially might seem like a lot, but the mindset behind the Democrats is usually opportunistic rather than genuine, and at the closest sign of political victory over the GOP they'll throw gays/blacks/pro-choice under the bus.

57 min later 6498717 Anonymous
>>6498703 US isn't a democratic republic? we don't vote for our representatives? what's with these weird definitions for liberal? http://dictionary.reference.com/bro wse/liberal liberal just means for freedom or some such

59 min later 6498718 Anonymous
Math has taught me to not hold any strong convictions or opinions.

1 hours later 6498722 Anonymous
/pol/lack here >>>/pol/

1 hours later 6498723 Anonymous
>>6498715 I don't know where you're going with this. Neither liberalism nor classical liberalism are designed with a government to have absolute control.

1 hours later 6498724 Anonymous
>>6498717 A democracy is not the same thing as a democratic republic. I don't know why we have weird definitions of liberal. Liberal in the historical sense, yes, does mean freedom. It's less government. In the US it's gotten attached to the party that isn't for less government. Of course that is a simplification. Both of our parties are hypocritical. Democrats tend to think the federal government is the best option to solve societies problems like poverty and healthcare but don't want the government involved in marriage or drug use. Republicans tend to want less government in all aspects of life except marriage, drug use, etc. So even within each party, there is a struggle between right and left.

1 hours later 6498727 Anonymous
>>6498722 I imagine this thread being a conversation of a small group of people. Halfway into the conversation, a portal to Carcosa opens up and tentacles drag OP into /pol/.

1 hours later 6498728 Anonymous
>>6498724 I always took calling the US a democracy as being short for democratic republic. That was even the name for the democratic party for a while. Direct democracy is whack yo.

1 hours later 6498729 Anonymous
>>6498723 The video I posted and what I said was that left = total government and right = no government. You replied that neither party want smaller government. I never said that they were. I was simply trying to express that in the US we associate left with liberalism and right with conservatism. I'm not saying it's correct or makes sense.

1 hours later 6498730 Anonymous
>>6498724 >Both of our parties are hypocritical das for sho http://smu.gs/14kLypr

1 hours later 6498731 Anonymous
>>6498727 >carcosa who /4u/ here?

1 hours later 6498734 Anonymous
Well this is a better political discussion then any have /pol/ have seen. FYI, I apparently I'm a libertarian-socialist. I dislike government control strongly in "social matters" drugs, guns, marriage, media(although some can be helpful, like banning smoking ads in come cases) Economically I pretty left of the road, I support stuff like universal health care, and generally think people work better( and more naturally) together rather than this hyper-competitive ultra-capitalist over-worked country we are in where the entire definition of success is how much money you have. But seeing how socialism has failed compare to capitalism constantly makes me doubt it, maybe I'm am just a naive sheltered student after all. Personally science has made mean lean more left, at least in terms of american politics, just the whole attitude of religious right, bothers me and not to mention lots of the crap the tried before. So it doesn't really push me towards progressiveness or socialism, but I defiantly has made me aliened from the current american "right" even though its arguably they want more control than the libs

1 hours later 6498738 Anonymous
>>6498731 Think about this... how many times have you asked that question?

1 hours later 6498741 Anonymous
>>6498738 It doesn't matter how many times I've asked. What matters is our plan.

1 hours later 6498743 Anonymous
>>6498734 >apparently I'm a libertarian-socialist >apparently how did you find this out

1 hours later 6498745 Anonymous
>>6498741 >yfw getting caught was part of his plan

1 hours later 6498747 Anonymous
>>6498741 >>>/lit/4812554

1 hours later 6498751 Anonymous
>>6498743 I took a couple of those political test. I always landed in the left-libertarian camp, read a little about it but I'm no expert on political theory.

1 hours later 6498758 Anonymous
It made me grow out of racism. Not scientific knowledge per se, but working with smart people from all around the world.

1 hours later 6498759 Anonymous
>>6498758 but-but muh race realism

1 hours later 6498762 Anonymous
Scientists are usually intelligent enough to realize that guys aren't a threat to society, immigration helps our economy and educational institutions grow, global warming isn't a hoax, evolution is an important biological fact, and that intelligent governance can improve everyone's quality of life regardless of the apppication.

1 hours later 6498764 Anonymous
>>6498637 I don't see how reading about venus's atmosphere translate into politics. Science and politics don't go hand-to-hand. I read a lot about politics so I can give a credible opinion.

1 hours later 6498765 Anonymous
Made me realize that government is fundamentally fucked because despite being so important to the average persons life we do not use the scientific method to help refine it because it would make some people butthurt.

1 hours later 6498766 Anonymous
>>6498762 *gays aren't a threat autocorrect however, is a threat to my sanity.

1 hours later 6498767 Anonymous
>>6498696 >Right allows them >Against gays, flag burning, abortion, drugs, ect >Pro freedom

1 hours later 6498768 Anonymous
>>6498676 Makes sense. Notice how /pol/ is completely retarded when it comes to anything having to do with science? And since science has something to do with everything it explains that too.

1 hours later 6498770 Anonymous
>>6498764 it's hard to be 'devout' for any cause when you recognize all the shades of gray in every issue. Probably brings you toward the center, on the whole, but given that American politics is skewed toward the right relative to other industrialized societies, probably the American left.

1 hours later 6498772 Anonymous
So how long until we can finally make that resource based economy /sci/?

1 hours later 6498773 Anonymous
>>6498772 >>>/biz/

2 hours later 6498775 Anonymous
>>6498759 I never understood this. The fact that even /pol/ could agree there are exceptions to the rule prove that they can't be inferior since the gene pool of a race can't be characterized like that.

2 hours later 6498779 Anonymous (usprimaries_2008.png 400x333 43kB)
>>6498729 Left v right is primarily an economic dimension between collective benefit and individual benefit. What you're talking about is another dimension between libertarianism v authoritarianism.

2 hours later 6498781 Anonymous
>>6498637 Scientific knowledge doesn't translate into politics.

2 hours later 6498782 Anonymous
>>6498775 ya, my favorite part is that they act like that it is some kind of suppressed truth by the liberuals while they go one to fucking deny climate change and even evolution in some cases.

2 hours later 6498783 Anonymous
>>6498775 Because /pol/ is a board that doesn't make sense and is full of retarded, 'red-pilled,' conspiracy nutters. Sometimes I wonder if they post what they do ironically, turning into either the antithesis of themselves or just plain ol' hipsters.

2 hours later 6498784 Anonymous
>>6498782 >implying the "Theory" of evolution isn't a lie made by the jews so they can evolve into reptilians

2 hours later 6498786 Anonymous
>>6498764 >>6498781 The ways in which you think and reason through things, that you learn while you study math/science does/can/should apply to politics. They can also apply to solving personal problems.

2 hours later 6498788 Anonymous
>>6498783 its hard to tell what they believe but I think(hope) most are just projecting an exaggerated version of the views, but who the hell knows. Hell an interesting trend I've notice on 4chan is the smaller the board, the less /pol/ you find on it and the more intelligent and civil the conversations tend to be.

2 hours later 6498790 Anonymous
>>6498783 /new/ was always racist and full of stormfriends. When /new/ went away for a while, most of them left. When /pol/ was created, people knew the kind of people it would attract so they made posts and behaved in a way to make fun of that. The problem is poe's law. Idiots who honestly held those beliefs thought they were being serious and felt right at home. So /pol/ saw a huge influx of idiots. For a while now /pol/ has been contaminating other boards with those idiots. It's also a giant hugbox. There are people who get all their political ideas from /pol/ just like there are people who get all their vidya suggestions from /v/ or movie tastes from /tv/ or library from /lit/. And that's a really bad thing because only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

2 hours later 6498796 Anonymous
>>6498783 I'm very convinced that they started off as trolls trolling each other, but writing persistent trollish comments had caused cognitive dissonance in them. To rectify it, they started actually believing the opinions that they created as trolls.

2 hours later 6498797 Anonymous
Whats worse /x/ or /pol/?

2 hours later 6498799 Anonymous
>TFW /sci/ is one of the few boards that don't take /pol/s shit I remember when /v/ used to make fun of them. Every since Anita we can't have a front page without at least 3 /pol/ shitpost threads.

2 hours later 6498802 Anonymous
>>6498788 Careful now. Don't jinx it. I would hate to see my lovely little /sci/ fall into the hands of the /pol/tards and the like. >>6498790 >>6498796 This makes quite a bit of sense, and I had an inkling this is how it started. I will say that the introduction of /pol/ does seem to have had a positive impact on this board. Prior to its creation, I recall numerous threads for economics, polisci stuff, and general politics stuff all of the time. /sci/ has slowed down with this posters going away, but it was for the better really.

2 hours later 6498803 Anonymous
>>6498786 So you're saying people who're into math and science translate into being a logician?

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