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2013-08-02 03:33 5940869 Anonymous (humanzee.jpg 364x500 30kB)
Racist jokes aside, if human evolution is real then why can't we have offspring with chimpanzees?

2 min later 5940877 Anonymous
>>5940869 Too much time has passed since our common ancestor was around

3 min later 5940878 Anonymous
>>5940869 >asks why two species cannot mate >definition of species: two populations that can't mate >lolwut And don't throw in your nagging bullshit about hybrids.

3 min later 5940881 Anonymous
we don't know that for sure I'd really like to see what would happen if we paired up some Abos and some bonobos even if an embryo survived for only a few days it would still be amazing to study

3 min later 5940882 Anonymous
>>5940878 can dogs and wolves breed?

4 min later 5940883 Anonymous
>>5940878 >>5940877 But species far more genetically dissimilar than chimpanzees and us are able to have (albeit infertile) offspring.

4 min later 5940886 Anonymous
>>5940878 horses can fuck donkeys and have mules

6 min later 5940893 Anonymous
>>5940883 99.9% similar doesn't mean what you think it means.

6 min later 5940894 Anonymous (human-evolution-explained.jpg 600x3600 604kB)
We didn't evolve from chimpanzees, we evolved from a common ancestor of the chimpanzee.

8 min later 5940898 Anonymous
>>5940869 I don't see how the premise of evolution can be proven true or untrue on the basis of different species being able to have offspring with each other... What are you even talking about?

10 min later 5940902 Anonymous
>>5940898 I'm not arguing against evolution, only questioning human evolution.

10 min later 5940904 Anonymous (Higher-Self.jpg 380x377 32kB)
I have a different question: Are we the pinnacle of the evolutionary process, or are we the result of evolution gone mad? How come, like most animals, we don't have give and take balance with nature anymore? Are we fundamentally broken as a species, or the highest form of evolution?

11 min later 5940909 Anonymous
>>5940904 we're self-aware that's like the biggest thing ever and completely throws everything off we're definitely the highest form of evolution

11 min later 5940910 Anonymous
>>5940904 what if neither assumption is incorrect? What if we're only an intermediary between the two states

18 min later 5940921 Anonymous
>>5940882 sure they can. Husky/wolf hybrids. >>5940883 >But species far more genetically dissimilar I don't think you know how sexual reproduction / genetic similarity works. Here's a yahoo answer, because that's where your question belongs http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i ndex?qid=20101215044412AAJdvy5 >>5940904 Common misconception about evolution: there is no goal, no target, and it is not heading toward something. It is mearly the adaptation of life to it's environment. There is no "pinnacle". Evolution can't "go mad". What the hell are you talking about when you say give-and-take balance. How the hell can a species be defined as broken, and there is no higher or lower forms of evolution.

36 min later 5940956 Anonymous
>>5940921 >What the hell are you talking about when you say give-and-take balance I'm talking why are we the only species on the planet that is consuming way more resources that it needs to our essential survival? Why doesn't any other animal consume more that it can replace like we do?

41 min later 5940968 Anonymous
>>5940956 >I'm talking why are we the only species on the planet that is consuming way more resources that it needs to our essential survival? We aren't. Lifeforms like seas of algae or rabbits can breed so rapidly that they destroy their food supply and destroy their population that way. We just haven't reached our "limit" yet. That's how perfect we are.

44 min later 5940976 Anonymous
>>5940956 >I'm talking why are we the only species on the planet that is consuming way more resources that it needs to our essential survival? We aren't. Plenty of species, given the oppurtunity, will consume far more resources than needed to survive. It's a survival instinct, funny enough, because you never know when the next drought will kick in. Ever seen an obese cat? >Why doesn't any other animal consume more that it can replace like we do? The hell? You think that doesn't happen? ever heard of predator-prey relationships? Lotka–Volterra equation? You know what happens when a rabbit population explodes? The wolves eat and eat and eat until the rabbits are all gone, then the population decreases because the wolves starve to death because they consumed far more than was "sustainable" for the population. Do you know what invasive species do?

44 min later 5940977 Anonymous
>>5940904 you stupid human

11 hours later 5941683 Anonymous
>>5940886 Guess what; mules can't reproduce. Just like people with down syndrome (see the correlation???)

12 hours later 5941873 Anonymous
>>5940882 The domestication of dogs has only taken place in the last ~30k to `~100ky so dogs are much more closely related to wolves that humans are to chimpanzees (~6my since most recent common ancestor).

13 hours later 5941877 Anonymous
>>5940869 We have two fewer (in a diploid cell) chromosomes than other great apes. If you look at human somatic chromosomes one of them looks weird; it's the result of a merger.

13 hours later 5941879 Anonymous
>>5941877 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_ %28human%29

13 hours later 5941881 Anonymous
>>5940902 >I'm not arguing against evolution, only questioning human evolution. What does that mean?

13 hours later 5941885 Anonymous
>>5940904 >Are we the pinnacle of the evolutionary process, or are we the result of evolution gone mad? Neither. >How come, like most animals, we don't have give and take balance with nature anymore? That's the opposite of the truth. Humans have become very successful very quickly, and as a result of caused a lot of ecological havoc around the world. We're not alone in that - species often explode in population or invade new areas, with disastrous results. What makes us different is that we DO intentionally try to limit ourselves and have "balance with nature." As far as I know, no other animal does that - they just eat and breed as much as they can, and their population is limited by their abilities, not by choice.

13 hours later 5941939 wheat
>>5940904 Our hands and our brains make us pretty good at survival. That's it. There's no cosmic "natural order" that we've violated.

14 hours later 5941964 Anonymous
>>5940869 Full blown monkey aids.

14 hours later 5941966 Anonymous
>>5941877 This, OP.

14 hours later 5941970 Anonymous
Also, everyone except Africans are a result of a hybrid of Neanderthals (Europe) and/or Denisovs (Asia, Oceania, and Native Americans) and Sapiens.

16 hours later 5942250 Anonymous
>>5940894 just pointing out that 'survival of the fittest' was Spencer's idea, not Darwin's. He later used the term, but I think 'survival of the better adapted' is closer to it.

17 hours later 5942276 Anonymous
lol did you know there in fact is only one protein preventing a woman from getting pregnant by a chimnpanzee? Btw 99.9% of our coding DNA is similar to chimpanzees, the remaining non-coding DNA is just as important and pretty damn different

17 hours later 5942341 Anonymous (1353616935981.jpg 251x235 9kB)
>>5942276 >lol did you know there in fact is only one protein preventing a woman from getting pregnant by a chimnpanzee? so, if we removed that protein or change it by gene theraphy...

17 hours later 5942345 Anonymous
>>5942276 If it is possible, I guess now is the time to try! I'd finance that.

21 hours later 5942819 Anonymous
>>5942276 Would a... humanzee always be inferior to the homo sapien?

27 hours later 5943489 Anonymous
>>5942819 They could probably play a legit organ better than humans

28 hours later 5943506 Anonymous
>>5940869 You've never seen a mulato nigglet then.

28 hours later 5943539 Anonymous
I'm pretty sure there was a Russian scientist that tried to do this. From what i remember Stalin had him executed or sent to a camp, i don't remember. I will try to look it up.

28 hours later 5943550 Anonymous
>>5943539 Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov is the guy who tried to do this

28 hours later 5943565 Anonymous
>>5942819 Yes of course

29 hours later 5943595 Anonymous
>>5943539 He did. But what he planned on using was orangutan's fetus as a host for it. But something happened and it never quite went through. He was planning to use ape sperm in a female women, but they cut funding for this product and was sent to jail, were he died a year later. If this was actually to succeed, the best chance would be on chimpanzees, but that's not a very good chance

29 hours later 5943616 Anonymous
>>5940869 Your assuming we can't. Despite different numbers of chromosomes, Horses produce sterile offspring with donkeys. I see no reason why humans and other great apes couldnt do the same thing.

30 hours later 5943655 Anonymous
>>5943595 The major problem would be finding a woman willing to have chimp spooge shot into her. Unless we're talking slave subjects.

30 hours later 5943659 Anonymous
>>5940877 We have a different number of chromosomes. They have 48 while we have 46 or something.

30 hours later 5943704 Anonymous
>>5940869 Maybe we can? Have we really made a scientific study of this?

30 hours later 5943705 Anonymous
>>5943659 So do horses and donkeys, yet mules exist. (And mule has also become a general term for sterile hybrid.)

49 hours later 5945423 Anonymous
is that from the les claypool album

50 hours later 5945450 Anonymous
>>5943659 I think they also found a Chinese man with fewer chromosomes and he was fertile too

51 hours later 5945491 Anonymous
>>5945450 facepalm.

51 hours later 5945507 Anonymous (la1..jpg 750x692 126kB)
>>5943655 imagefap.com I have at least 6 on my friends list who would let you take pictures.

52 hours later 5945560 Anonymous
>>5940894 but why would we evolve so much more if it wasn't necessary for survival?

53 hours later 5945636 Anonymous
>>5945560 greed

53 hours later 5945655 Anonymous (hank saiyan.jpg 240x200 13kB)
>>5941683 I can't reproduce cause I have a narrow urethra, so I find that statement very offensive I tell ya 'hwat

53 hours later 5945658 Anonymous (imagesCAW79THP.jpg 256x197 6kB)
>>5945655 I'm adopted?

53 hours later 5945659 Anonymous
>>5945655 doingitwrong.jpg , or is that obvious

53 hours later 5945662 Anonymous
>>5945491 http://genetics.thetech.org/origina l_news/news124 Many people have trouble believing that chromosome number can change and stay changed in a species. Their first thought is often of Down syndrome or the other problems that usually come with missing or extra chromosomes. It can be hard to imagine how a living thing could end up with a new chromosome number without these problems. And yet it happens all the time in creatures as varied as yeast, corn, butterflies, voles and even mice. And now it has been seen in people. In a recent article, a doctor in China has identified a man who has 44 chromosomes instead of the usual 46. Except for his different number of chromosomes, this man is perfectly normal in every measurable way. His chromosomes are arranged in a stable way that could be passed on if he met a nice girl who had 44 chromosomes too. And this would certainly be possible in the future given his family history.

53 hours later 5945663 Anonymous (HANKGOESSUPERBWAAH.png 415x479 306kB)
>>5945658 Well, ugh.... Gosh, how do I say this? I WANT A BADASS SON NOT SOME LAZY ASS KID WHO SITS IN HIS ROOM LISTENING TO TOILET NOISE THE WHO GOSH DARN TIME!

54 hours later 5945710 Anonymous (54a1a2dd_19_01bPrimatePhylogeny_L.jpg 512x600 47kB)
>>5940894 >Evolutionary theory does not state that humans evolved FROM monkeys. Oh for fuck's sake, how am I tired to see this bullshit. Learn primate phylogeny, faggots, it's not that fucking complex. Humans are deeply nested withing apes, and apes are deeply nested within monkeys.

58 hours later 5945896 Anonymous
>>5940869 Because they are two different species. I'd go into depth, but this is 9th grade biology, I shouldn't have to.

58 hours later 5945901 Anonymous
>>5940904 There is no pinnacle, as long as a species can survive and reproduce there is no definition of superiority. It's not some step ladder that always ends with humans; we just survive off of intelligence as a trait.

63 hours later 5946407 Anonymous
What is this, a post from /b/?

64 hours later 5946502 Anonymous
What evidence do we have that intelligence was ever required for mere survival?

64 hours later 5946517 Anonymous
>>5940869 Chimpanzees have 48 chromosomes instead of 46 that humans have,

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