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2013-05-20 03:42 5771541 Anonymous (3rd-Rock-From-The-Sun-512-The-Big-Giant-Head-Returns-Stone-Phillips-12.jpg 768x576 38kB)
How plausible is it that there were advanced civilizations on Earth many years before recoded history ever took place?

6 min later 5771553 Anonymous
Not plausible.

9 min later 5771557 Anonymous
>>5771553 8000 BC, world trade and possible government, big thing in arkeedology atm

13 min later 5771569 Anonymous
>>5771557 Please, elaborate.

14 min later 5771573 Anonymous
>>5771569 Göbekli Tepe.

17 min later 5771581 Anonymous
Extremely. They were wiped out with the dinosaurs, and their denizens burrowed underground, where they remain to this day.

19 min later 5771585 Anonymous
>>5771557 >>5771573 OP said "advanced civilizations." I assume that means not just nomadic stone age people.

22 min later 5771594 Anonymous
>>5771585 Yes. I wanted to know how plausible it is that we are not actually the first "intelligent" beings to walk on this planet. From what I understand, we don't really know but there are a great many theories floating around that are quite interesting.

25 min later 5771599 Anonymous
>>5771594 Define intelligent. You're being quite ambiguous here.

25 min later 5771601 Anonymous
>>5771594 define "intelligent"

26 min later 5771604 Anonymous
>>5771594 define "intelligent"

27 min later 5771607 Anonymous
>>5771594 define "intelligent"

28 min later 5771608 Anonymous
>>5771599 >>5771601 Advanced ~ {Culture, toolmaking, science, art, astronomy, religion.}

29 min later 5771612 Anonymous
>>5771608 Homo neanderthalensis

32 min later 5771617 Anonymous
>>5771612 >science >astronomy Yeah no.

34 min later 5771620 Anonymous
>>5771608 Rome.

34 min later 5771621 Anonymous
>>5771594 Theory implies proof

35 min later 5771624 Anonymous
>>5771620 I said "before recorded history".

37 min later 5771627 Anonymous
>>5771621 Well there is obviously lack of evidence. But that doesn't mean anything. Maybe we just didn't find some yet. Maybe we found it but it was misinterpreted. Maybe we will never find it because it faded with time. And finally maybe it's not true.

37 min later 5771629 Anonymous
>>5771624 if they were advanced civilizations, wouldn't that mean they had recorded history, thereby nullifying your own question?

40 min later 5771638 Anonymous
>>5771629 Do you realize the gap between recorded history and history of Earth? There is billions upon billions of years of history that we are clueless to. So no, it certainly doesn't nullify the question.

41 min later 5771641 Anonymous
>>5771638 and why are we clueless to it

42 min later 5771643 Anonymous
>>5771641 No records other than geological ones?

45 min later 5771648 Anonymous
>>5771608 Look buddy. I know you gots the hopes up, but there have been no fossils, no records found, no nothin, that prove that there is such a thing. Nothing even related to it. Evolution takes a while. It took a while to end up with intelligent humans. I doubt that, "many years ago", as you say, it would have been a rapid enough process to end up with culture, art, toolmaking, etc. , unless you want to count other "Homo" species (lol). I assume when you say "many years ago" you're talking tens of millions, or hundreds of millions of years. Most likely, no. >>5771621 No it doesn't. The only criteria necessary for something to be classified as a theory, are the following: Be an idea or a set of ideas. That idea(or those ideas) must be intended to explain something. >>5771629 No. It only counts as recorded history if it still exists. >>5771641 "durr it doesn't exist if we haven't observed it!!!!!!!!!!1!1!!!1!!!!" Tell that to the billions upon billions of galaxies we haven't observed, yet can estimate the existence of.

46 min later 5771649 Anonymous
>>5771643 what geologic records do we have from 6 billion years ago

46 min later 5771652 Anonymous
it was recorded just not in language like letters it was recorded with science then turned into math which is a language

48 min later 5771658 Anonymous
>>5771648 This still implies that there *could* be plenty of evidence, but is buried. I'm not trying to make a case for it, I'm just asking if it is plausible or not, since we don't actually know.

48 min later 5771661 Anonymous
>>5771658 It is not quite plausible. Only possible.

48 min later 5771662 Anonymous (rock09.jpg 640x480 44kB)
>>5771649 Plenty.

50 min later 5771664 Anonymous
>>5771648 Theory implies proof, when we're talking science. Evolution, The Big Bang, Gravity. ALL are theories, and they're theories because of evidence. An attempt to explain something is a hypothesis. Seriously, this is 6th grade science.

54 min later 5771668 Anonymous
>>5771658 This. Human populations exists near ocean shorelines primarily. It's unfortunate that rising sea levels have probably destroyed any plausible evidence. It might be easy to find a time period when advanced civilizations flourished in the past

55 min later 5771670 Anonymous
>>5771541 your just talking about on this earth right?

1 hours later 5771683 Anonymous
>>5771541 your just talking about on this earth right?

1 hours later 5771689 Anonymous
It's highly possible, especially if they lived in areas of high erosion and/or built all their technology out of organic materials.

1 hours later 5771717 Anonymous
>>5771664 Well... A hypothesis is more than just "Hey, what about this?" but you're pretty much right.

1 hours later 5771724 Anonymous (1368682910999.gif 350x268 1423kB)
watch ancient aliens. aside from obvious dramatization and other fake claims, it has some valid points.

1 hours later 5771736 Anonymous
As advanced as we are now? None. We create synthetic materials and leave a signature on the earth that will be around until the sun explodes or the planet is shattered (and I am talking reduced to molten rock here) by a ridiculously large impact event. Even then traces could be left (not to mention our satellites/rovers etc. Pre-industrial continent spanning societies? The possibility exists but it would have to be fucking forever ago. We are talking dinosaurs here. Definitely not within the last 10,000 years because we find evidence of the settlements that actually existed at that time, there is no way we could miss some massive empire and still find what we do. I doubt any civilisation that rivals what pops into your head when you think “ancient civilisation” could have existed in the last 200,000 years without us knowing (time homo-sapiens have been around). It’s just not enough time to completely obliterate the evidence. Smaller more primitive settlements? It has happened. Human civilisations have come and gone with no-one in the world rising up to match them for centuries afterwards pre and post writing. Evidence of these civilisations (if you can call them that) is all over the place. Agriculture began in fits and starts between 10,000–5,000 BC and spread slowly. Writing came about in about 3000BC (writing numbers came earlier) so there were thousands of years where we had no written language but had farming (and therefore established settlements) down.

1 hours later 5771739 Anonymous
>>5771724 lololololololol

1 hours later 5771750 Anonymous
>>5771724 On behalf of myself and all my fellow archaeologists worldwide, kill yourself.

10 hours later 5772545 Anonymous
>>5771664 >Theory implies proof Nope.fuckingavi Proof implies theorem.

10 hours later 5772554 Anonymous
>>5771662 >>5771649 >yfw the earth is only 4.5 billion years old

10 hours later 5772575 Anonymous
>>5771724 What the fuck?

10 hours later 5772583 Anonymous
Why do you guys reply to an obvious troll thread?

11 hours later 5772622 Anonymous
>Lake Mungo Man.

11 hours later 5772628 Anonymous
>>5771594 I know what you mean and it's highly unlikely given the oil reserves still being around. Another civilization would've found them and exhausted them. It may not be possible for a planet to sustain more than one civilization of our complexity in its lifetime.

11 hours later 5772645 Anonymous
>>5772583 It's not a troll thread if I'm genuinely interested in answers. Why do you sage a thread when you have absolutely nothing to contribute? >>5772628 Why do you say that? You're pretty much implying that our way of doing things is the only way. This is of course a foolish assumption.

11 hours later 5772649 Anonymous
>>5772645 You're correct, my argument has that basic fallacy. However, oil is used so much throughout all of our technology that alternate technology would either have to be fundamentally different or the organism's biochemistry would. Both of which are not impossible, but due to their nature not arguments that we can make yet. By all means, consider my post a shoddy theory that needs work and use the scientific process to make it better.

11 hours later 5772651 Anonymous
>>5772649 Well ok I see where you're going with this. But even oil reserves regrows, given million upon millions of years, does it not?

11 hours later 5772655 Anonymous
>>5771724 Go back to /x/, please. I don't want you here.

11 hours later 5772656 Anonymous
Fossils of dinosaurs wearing business suits and carrying laptops have been found. Make what you will of it

11 hours later 5772657 Anonymous
>>5772656 Lol'd

11 hours later 5772661 Anonymous
>>5772651 billions

11 hours later 5772663 Anonymous (evidence.jpg 625x424 139kB)
>How plausible is a claim without evidence?

11 hours later 5772665 Anonymous (1353630795165.jpg 220x279 12kB)
>>5771541 Well, biochemically speaking, up until about 500 million years ago, intelligent life would have been impossible because there wasn't enough oxygen in the atmosphere for use as a terminal electron acceptor and without that we don't make the kind of energy you need to support advanced brains. And archeological evidence from that time forward should have turned up 'something'. Only way I can think of that absolutely nothing lasted is if the species lived on platforms in the ocean and used totally organic technology that decayed with them. So... are you suggesting that Earth was the Yuuzhan Vong homeworld?

11 hours later 5772666 Anonymous (meh.ro10562.jpg 1701x1080 153kB)
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11 hours later 5772669 Anonymous (3edgy5me.png 373x327 229kB)
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11 hours later 5772670 Anonymous (1758905.jpg 500x439 62kB)
>>5772665 >Earth was the Yuuzhan Vong homeworld

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