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2013-11-04 06:03 9380186 Anonymous (IMG_0163.jpg 413x413 57kB)
So tell me, why are people so against the idea of someone that simply doesn't feels like he's part of the modern society, and just wants to escape from it? I don't want money. I'm not into videogames. I just want to read, draw and live by my own. But to do so you need money. And to get money you need to work and waste part of your life doing something you'll probably hate, expecially if you - like me - simply don't have any kind of passion that could be translated into a decent job. We didn't ask for this life. So why should we conform and adopt our society's rules? Why should we all marry, have kids and work for most of our life? There isn't anything after life. We are nothing. There isn't a soul, there isn't an afterlife; when our brain is damaged we can lose our memories, our identities and our personality. Or change completely. This alone proves the fact that our brain is just a supercomputer, and our personality something made by the influences we had in life, and our experiences. So then, why can't we just fucking live how we want to? We are slaves. Slaves of our capitalist society. We are ready to crush the others in our path just to achieve success. A success that will give us money, women and other shallow things as such. I don't want to live like this. I don't want to live in such a horrible community, at least in my eyes. I want to be free. I never asked for this, but I don't want to die. Just to live by my own rules, with dignity. What do you think, fellow robots? You all don't need a gf. For most of you, I'm sure the empty feeling you have isn't because you are virgins. It's because you feel like you don't belong here. You are lost, and lonely - but you are not alone. We are here.

2 min later 9380212 Anonymous
>>9380186 That's nice and all but somebody has to grow and transport the food that you take for granted. You can't have 7 billion people eating whatever they can hunt.

4 min later 9380234 Anonymous
>>9380186 Well shiggy diggy. I can't argue with any of that. Touching on the truth doesn't mean you have the whole of it, though. You ask why, why bother? Is simple survival no longer a valid motive? I work to eat, put a roof over my head, and acquire goods and services that *I* want. Sure beats being poor.

11 min later 9380311 Anonymous
>>9380234 >>9380212 You are right. We work to have a roof over our heads, eat food and have good services. But that is not the problem. I'm not saying that work is worthless and that people who don't want to work should just be parasites to the society. I'm saying that we should rewrite our concept of "society". We don't need those superexpensive luxuries. We don't need politicians to tell us what to do, how to behave. We don't need people with shit-easy jobs that make five times the amount of money the guy that brings meat on your table does. We should be able to live how we want. If you don't want to be part of the society, so be it. You'll provide for yourself by yourself. We should be able to have a choice. And don't be slaves of capitalism.

14 min later 9380341 Anonymous
>>9380212 >You can't have 7 billion people eating whatever they can hunt. Actually, you very much can, there's so much space on Earth that it can easily support many times more people living that lifestyle.

14 min later 9380342 Anonymous
People don't like having their choices criticised, because doubt is hard to get rid of once it's been introduced.

15 min later 9380356 Anonymous
>>9380311 >I just want to read, draw and live by my own You don't need books or drawing supplies. Literature and the Arts are a luxury that we cannot afford in the Socialist Utopia. Get back in the coal mines, comrade.

16 min later 9380374 Anonymous
>>9380311 I want to add something more, actually. What is wrong with our society is the huge waste of money, resources and time. We are not eternal. If we could figure out how to achieve biological immortality then fuck me, I'd work even at minimum wage without saying anything. But this is not right. We don't have an infinite amount of time, and it's not right to waste most of our limited time doing something for people who wouldn't do anything for us. Let's take for example the farmer. He grows the vegetables you eat, the animals that end up being clothes, meat, milk and so on. He literally feeds the banker, so to say. Yet the banker wouldn't lift a single finger to help the farmer, if the farmer needed help. Because money>people. And this is simply disgusting.

24 min later 9380441 Anonymous (stress.gif 400x328 373kB)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir hill/2012/08/06/beware-tech-abandon ers-people-without-facebook-account s-are-suspicious/ Go eat a dick you god damn sniveling little cunt robot.

25 min later 9380452 Anonymous
That's the joke, isn't it? If someone uses all his available time and energy just to reach the most basic necessities of life, is there meaning to his existence? A human is too smart not to contemplate his existence and be left unsatisfied for not being able to choose what to do in life. So people gathered and formed civilisations to ease the burden placed on every individual, but this has long since been lost. Why do we allow children to be born into the world if society at large does not wish them to be fed or given shelter? "You are a burden, prove that you deserve not be left to die". That's pretty fucked up. Everyone ends up wasting their life proving themselves over and over again, for what? There is no reward, there is merely avoiding punishment.

30 min later 9380497 Anonymous
I totally get and agree with what you saying OP. We should get together a lot of people like us and live together in small villages or something just to see how long it takes for us to get back crawling to our homes in capitalistic societies

32 min later 9380525 Anonymous
>>9380497 >large urban communities are fundamentally a capitalist phenomenon Look at you, being a retard.

41 min later 9380618 Anonymous
>>9380186 >expecially Please tell me you typed that ironically.

45 min later 9380659 2spooky4u
>There isn't anything after life want to prove this to me?

45 min later 9380660 Anonymous
>>9380618 X and S are reasonably close to each other on the keyboard. He must've done in accident.

45 min later 9380662 Anonymous
>>9380374 I understand everything you're saying, but I still see some problems with it. The thing is, early humans did everything. Every little job that needed doing could be done by everyone. But then the jobs got harder and more difficult to do, so specialization became a thing. Life boomed, and producing food needed less and less work. So the people with no work made up new jobs - merchants and bankers and politicians and so on. Life became easier, and human knowledge grew. We developed arts and music and science. We started moving towards even more specialized societies, because it was easy. Because we could spare the workforce. Because it gave us a chance to develop out culture, arts and science. Sadly, without the society we have now, you would not know what art was, or literature. You wouldn't care, because it would be too much work to keep yourself alive. A world this large still presents some possibilities, though. Don't like society? Go to another country. Go live as a hermit. There's plenty of free space most everywhere (except India, but that place is better left alone).

47 min later 9380678 Anonymous
>>9380660 >in accident I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or lectured recursively.

48 min later 9380692 Anonymous
>>9380662 >So the people with no work made up new jobs 90% of jobs in the western world are made up jobs that don't do anything. Guess what, instead of that, you could just give the money to people for nothing.

54 min later 9380751 Anonymous
>>9380692 So you think you could live as well as you do now, if only someone gave you money? I don't think so. The world would descend into anarchy should you lose some jobs altogether. >90% of jobs in the western world are made up jobs that don't do anything. Show me your citations, because I have a hard time believing that, unless you meant jobs that don't produce anything.

1 hours later 9380817 Anonymous
>>9380692 >>9380692 >90% of jobs in the western world are made up jobs that don't do anything. Confirmed for not knowing how the world works. Sorry, kiddo, but you're overlooking all the electricians, truck drivers, welders, carpenters, engineers, etc. There's a large amount of jobs that do quite alot, actually. Ever erect a skyscraper? every drywall a house? I'd say that's doing quite a bit.

1 hours later 9380833 Anonymous
>>9380817 A properly built house lasts hundreds of years. You don't need a new guy building a new house just because.

1 hours later 9380864 Anonymous
>>9380833 but they're not building a new house 'just because' They're building a new house in answer to a demand. For profit. for need. Don't act like there's no point to it.

1 hours later 9380873 Anonymous
>>9380864 >They're building a new house in answer to a demand. Yeah, that's why Spain for example has literally four million of empty houses.

1 hours later 9380881 Anonymous
>>9380833 With proper care, sure. Here's a newsflash for you, though - most people can't take care of their houses properly. They need builders to put up that new window after you accidentally threw a window through your old one, they need electricians to change those 50-year-old wires that create so many fire hazards, they need builders to repaint the house because fuck that shit, they need plumbers so as not to live in a swamp and so on. It's not just "building a new house".

1 hours later 9380888 Anonymous
>>9380833 >he thinks people work just because

1 hours later 9380891 Anonymous
>>9380881 Yeah. And 10% of people currently performing those jobs could do it no problem.

1 hours later 9380918 Anonymous
>>9380891 I don't think you understand the scale of workload you'd be dealing with.

1 hours later 9380919 Anonymous
>>9380891 That doesn't even make sense. What the fuck is even your point?

1 hours later 9380946 Anonymous
OP, you now realize the mentality of "true hippies". These people save up money (usually by working a job for a while), and invest in property and a house. They save up more money to make themselves more self-reliant : having a garden, farm, solar power, a water well, etc. You should try this and find like minded individuals OP. Otherwise you will never be happy and will spend the rest of your life trying to fit in and find some kind of "acceptance", that you will never find.

1 hours later 9380969 Anonymous
>>9380946 >These people save up money (usually by working a job for a while), and invest in property and a house. They save up more money to make themselves more self-reliant : having a garden, farm, solar power, a water well, etc. This doesn't do anything. It costs more to become "self-reliant" than you get out of it. If you want to do everything legally or semi-legally, you'll spend much more money than you would just getting a normal house and a normal job and living a normal life. This is how society is structured, to discourage such things.

1 hours later 9380986 Anonymous
>>9380969 this is so fucking sad, though. I can't believe there isn't any way to break these chains, besides revolution (that sadly, won't work)

1 hours later 9380998 Anonymous
>>9380986 There is a way, just kill yourself.

1 hours later 9381014 Anonymous
>>9380998 yeah no, thanks. the world is beautiful, capitalist society is not.

1 hours later 9381028 Anonymous
>>9381014 What world? There is no world outside of it.

1 hours later 9381053 Anonymous
I am jealous of people who can live in the countryside who have enough to survive and spend days doing what they want in the clean nature, life seems too tampered now. Don't you think the future can only be worse and worse? No more wars, revolutions, how can robots rebel?

1 hours later 9381072 Anonymous
The moment you stop being interdependent is the moment others can no longer exploit you. This is very, very bad for the elite who own everything and spend their lives "working" at keeping those they parasite off of under their control. It's in their best interest to shame those who don't fit into their control scheme. People who follow the "normal life" of being exploited then also fall into the trap of shaming those who don't follow this lifestyle, because they're bitter about having to work so hard for the disproportionate amount of money they get. It's vicious because once you're broken in (and I see it all the time, rebellious types finally getting "serious", becoming completely different people), you see everything exactly the way you're supposed to.

1 hours later 9381077 Anonymous
>>9381028 the Earth. fauna and flora. we are destroying everything and the few who understand this and try to run away cannot do it. look at chernobyl, fukushima, the faggots who are building shit on unstable, volcanic places. all the radioactive wastes we are dumping in the oceans, covered with lead. you know that lead deteriorates faster than it takes for those wastes to become unharmful? in a few decades, or maybe a century or two if we are lucky, there will be absolute devastation. we don't even need war for this to happen; we are just a bunch of greedy motherfuckers. fucking boomers, fuck everything

1 hours later 9381094 Anonymous
>>9381028 There was once, and we fucking destroyed it.

1 hours later 9381095 Anonymous
Well... You guys want to continue having tons of babies and children, and cringe at the thought of you not being allowed to have more than 1 (like China's one child policy), but you're more than okay with the police telling you what you can and can't put in your own bodies. You live in a world now with 7 billion people, living in heavily populated areas. There needs to be some kind of "structure" to keep things stable. Humanity will pay for this mistake. Overpopulation is a ticking time bomb. We barely have the resources to feed these people. The system has efficiently provided resources so these people can survive. What none of you realize is if this "evil system" died, then billions of people would end up dying too. All because humans are too selfish and want 100 babies that they can't even support. In this society, if there was no overpopulation, you could drive on the freeway at 100 MPH with no traffic and could own 4 Hummers and oil would be as cheap as dirt. This is why if we choose to continue to "grow" as a society, population reduction is inevitable.

1 hours later 9381145 Anonymous
>>9381095 When was it.. 1970 that the world population was about 3 billion? I hate to imagine the world 40 more years from now.

1 hours later 9381146 Anonymous
>>9381095 >tfw no legal suicide clinics I really think they'd help everyone out a lot.

1 hours later 9381158 Anonymous
OP, you would definitely benefit from reading the Soul of a Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde.

1 hours later 9381161 Anonymous
>>9381095 Most western countries have stopped growing, and are actually losing native population. The biggest population problem comes from Africa, Asia and South-America, who are migrating to western countries and creating population problems. Westerners themselves are also moving into towns and cities because it's easy and cheap. Stop emigration, stop many of the world's problems.

1 hours later 9381174 Anonymous
>>9380692 >90% of jobs in the western world are made up jobs that don't do anything. >Guess what, instead of that, you could just give the money to people for nothing. Where the fuck do you think the money comes from? Without anyone caring to do anything to get it, money would be worthless. >What is wrong with our society is the huge waste of money, resources and time. >I just want to read, draw and live by my own

1 hours later 9381179 Anonymous
>>9381072 >>9381053 OP here. Thank you everyone for your contributions so far. English is not my first language so pardon me if some of my sentences might come out weird, or if I make mistakes in typing. Expecially was a typo, by the way - I'm not that horrible, really. What can we do, my friends? This is not fair, and it should change. We should change the society, but it's hard. And the old methods wouldn't work. Hell, I'm actually sure nothing could change this society, besides a cataclysm of some sort. But I wish. I wish in a better future, in a society that will help who is weaker or who needs assistance.

1 hours later 9381193 Anonymous
>No incentives to not have kids because stupid christians, jews, and muslims are still embroiled in their dumb fuck religions that was based on a society with no population compared to now 2000 years ago, and that Jesus, God, and Allah are still commanding them to jizz in their wife's putrid smelling cunts.

1 hours later 9381203 Anonymous
Your choice is to learn to live off the grid--hunting animals, collecting edible plants, building a cabin....or playing this giant global game of Monopoly known as capitalism. The less seriously you take it, the more fun you have. You should learn to see no difference between real money and the toy money from a Monopoly boardgame.

1 hours later 9381237 Anonymous
>>9381179 Change is difficult to come by, OP. Especially the change of something as substantial as the society. You need the masses to feel like something is wrong. You need politicians to make decisions based on the people's opinions. You need a new way to run a country. It's not impossible, but it will take time.

1 hours later 9381260 Anonymous
>>9381161 >implying western countries arent going to be totally fucked in few decades when there is nothing but old people left

1 hours later 9381269 Anonymous
>>9381179 http://www.details.com/culture-tren ds/career-and-money/200907/meet-the -man-who-lives-on-zero-dollars

1 hours later 9381282 Anonymous
>>9381179 Wait for a brave soul to start something.

1 hours later 9381283 Anonymous
>>9380692 >90% of jobs in the western world are made up jobs that don't do anything. Whether your numbers are inflated or not, it doesn't matter. You don't think they realize this? Everything is being geared up for automation. There are three reasons why these jobs still exist. Can you imagine if this society didn't work how fast things would change and how unstable they would become? So many people have been conditioned to be brought up to work jobs, and the thought of so many people not working jobs is out of reality for them, out of conventions. AKA, these people are completely useless, a burden on the system, and it's keeping them (you) alive with giving you just enough to eat and support yourself. If the economy gets better, or the population is reduced, then your "personal freedoms" will improve, as well as your paycheck.

1 hours later 9381291 Anonymous
>>9381260 If you stop the people from traveling in, then you also stop the people from traveling out, so that helps. Most countries should also be capable of at least keeping their population at a stable level (especially if you give them incentive to breed, like with the Chinese one-child policy). It takes some work, but it'd be doable.

2 hours later 9381329 Anonymous
>>9381161 That is why we need population reduction programs in Africa too.

2 hours later 9381335 Anonymous
>>9381179 The problem is that we've been helping the weak and those who need or want assistance for far too long. We've bred weakness, laziness and idiocy into our culture and our genes. In a primitive setting, these people and their ways would have died out in a generation or two. However, the strong among us are also very good people. So good, so productive and so clever and compassionate that they've devised a way to permit those who should not survive to thrive and reproduce. This is how the road to hell has been paved with the very best of intentions. The only solution is to stop helping those who, for any reason, cannot help themselves. We need a massive die-off of those who cannot survive and thrive on their own merits. Otherwise, humanity will soon pass the point at which the strong, clever and capable can continue to carry the burden. Then, even the strong may perish in the inevitable collapse.

2 hours later 9381455 Anonymous
>>9381329 No, we just need to stop offering help that makes them lazy. Most of Africa is rather uncivilized. They're still in the mindset, that the more children I have, the better my future will be, because when I get old and can't work anymore, my children will provide for me. And that's great, nothing wrong with that. Most of the population should die of diseases before adulthood either way, so who cares? The problem is, though, that we send them medicine. We send them food, and weapons, and clothes. The people of Africa grow up with the idea that they don't need to better themselves, the West will do it for them. So they don't even bother. If we sent them farming equipment and seeds and actually taught them to create a civilization instead of just mooching off the West, then we could quite possibly have a nice and self-regulating society in Africa as well. Just telling them not to breed won't work, because what have they got to lose, really? Their greatest asset is their people. It's all they have.

2 hours later 9381516 Anonymous
>>9381291 >not enough people in one region >too many people in other region >force people in underpopulated region to make more babies and stop people from moving from overpopulated region With what kind of policies you make people have more kids than they want? And even if everyone capable started breeding like rabbits right now, it wouldnt help because it would take 20-30 years for those kids to become productive members of our society.

2 hours later 9381729 Anonymous
>>9381095 >Humanity will pay for this mistake. Overpopulation is a ticking time bomb. We barely have the resources to feed these people. This is a ridiculous lie.

2 hours later 9381740 Anonymous
>>9381516 I meant that the problem with immigrants is that they're usually unproductive. They want all the rights natives have without doing any work. And many countries give them these rights. They move there, get a cheapo apartment and live off social security. They're not the people we want in our countries, because they lack education and are only good for sweeping floors and stacking cans. We don't need all people, we need useful people. Wed don't need people who feel like they're being oppressed because there isn't a mosque on every street corner, and thus demand the society around them to change. We don't need people who refuse to speak our native languages and demand the government to change its policies for them. The people who emigrate are, sadly, the people who could change their own regions. They obviously see that something is wrong with their homeland, but are too lazy or scared to change it. If they just stayed put and tried to improve their countries then the whole world would have less problems. >With what kind of policies you make people have more kids than they want? Completely free education, for one. Free healthcare helps. Support for people with more than one child. Support for single parents. More kindergarten spots. Propaganda. It's not perfect, but it could work. In my country, women don't want to have children before the age of 30, because they want to finish their schooling and secure a job. If you could change that, then you could potentially start raising the population again. Field too long, cont.

2 hours later 9381751 Anonymous
>>9381740 >it would take 20-30 years for those kids to become productive members of our society. Doesn't matter. Society is flexible, it can make do with less working people. I'm already threatened with 55+ years of work before my retirement (they proposed to raise the age of ret. up to 75, which means that most people won't live to see it). Studies have also shown that pensioners are healthier if they have a part-time job or something to take care of, so unless they're crippled, then they can still be useful. It's all stuck in the norms of society. Change those and you could do everything.

3 hours later 9382191 Anonymous
>>9381335 Helping those in need benefits the society, access to education for example has huge impact on how successful someone is going to be. In human societies culture has far bigger impact on individuals ability to thrive than genes do so giving all the opportunities to kids of already rich and successful wont help the society at all, those kids would have had those opportunities anyways. Sure there is always going to be people leeching off from the system but thats small price to pay compared to benefits it brings, and who knows maybe those individuals would find way to leech of from any system.

3 hours later 9382441 Anonymous
>>9381740 >Completely free education, for one. Free healthcare helps. Support for people with more than one child. Support for single parents. More kindergarten spots. We dont have enough people to replace huge age groups once they retire so there is going to be less people bringing money to the system and more people are needed to do this unproductive work of taking care of these old people. When income goes down and expenses go up simultaneously, increasing expenses even more isnt really an option.

3 hours later 9382584 Anonymous
>>9382441 I know, but the diminishing population isn't that big of a problem yet. If you could establish all of these quickly, then you could potentially avoid a huge lack of workers, presuming you raise the age of retirement as well. But like I said above, it would not be a perfect solution, and I don't know what the perfect solution would be, sadly, since I haven't researched it at all and I don't think any country or social group has ever tried to raise their birthrate, so it'd all be pretty hit and miss until a good solution is found. I do know, however, that giving women the chance to get a higher education is what's ruining the birthrate in most countries, so you'd have to give them something more appetizing than a well paying career to change that.

4 hours later 9382902 Anonymous (self-actualization.jpg 640x476 162kB)
>>9380186 Working is a fact of life if you want to live. No one gets to live for free, someone somewhere has to work, and finite resources guarantee that we must compete for them. Do what you have to do. Don't get caught up in trivial bullshit, just get shit done as soon as it can be done. I make a comfortable living from art and use to hate accepting money for it but that hate only produces more hate. What dignity is there in self-indulgent escapism? Focus on what you love and do something productive with that. Greed is what eats away compassion. Money tempts us to greed but we can say no to that temptation and use money to help others rather than defeat them. There's no way to leave society and live as you do now. If you sit idly by, people more evil than you, ones who wish to defeat others, will take control of the resources and cause more people to suffer. We must accept it as it is and make the best.

4 hours later 9382923 Anonymous
>No one gets to live for free Oh wow. >finite resources Oh wow. What a good litle goy.

4 hours later 9382991 Anonymous
>>9382923 Could you spare some actual arguments, please? Anything you say is rather pointless otherwise.

4 hours later 9383000 Anonymous
>>9382923 We're open to better ideas.

4 hours later 9383088 Anonymous
>>9381077 Destruction breeds creation, anon.

4 hours later 9383098 Anonymous
You could live with the Amish Or in a tiny village

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