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2013-10-06 11:14 9005304 Anonymous (1380326464013.gif 500x500 239kB)
Why are there so few female STEM workers? Are women just not smart or hard working enough? http://news.thomasnet.com/IMT/2013/ 02/19/where-are-americas-women-engi neers/

2 min later 9005330 Anonymous
People in general, but women especially, are encouraged from a young age to believe math is difficult. Also most women don't find the work appealing since it's so cut and dry. Either your equations are right or they aren't. Your program compiles or it doesn't. There's no debating with the numbers. You can't argue it from a different perspective. It's emotionless. Many women find this displeasing.

3 min later 9005339 Anonymous
There are alot of women in various STEM fields at my uni, but most of those women seem to be pre-meds.

5 min later 9005361 Anonymous
>>9005330 this is why i am taking programming. you tell the computer exactly what to do, and how to do it

5 min later 9005362 Anonymous
I'm male and I'm not in STEM either. What now?

6 min later 9005379 Anonymous
My ex girlfriend is an engineer, and so were her roomates. The one before that is a doctor at cleveland clinic. My current girlfriend was also a biochem major in college. They aren't that rare.

6 min later 9005382 Anonymous
>>9005361 that's only partially true, people have vastly different ideas as to what makes good programming

7 min later 9005385 Anonymous
Patriarchal gender roles still have strong tendrils in society, even America's. You should probably ask the same thing in a decade and you'll likely see an improvement. On the opposing side, there's a documentary about this that was conducted in Norway. Apparently there's biological proof that males prefer science compared to females, but it's just a thesis and not grounds for misogyny.

7 min later 9005390 Anonymous
>>9005304 because having an advanced degree wont help them in attracting Chad or any male for that matter. its irrelevant. a woman doesn't become a better partner when she knows math and engineering. it would be like a man learning how to sew and breastfeed. it adds nothing to his value

9 min later 9005407 Anonymous
>In the mid-1940s, the proportion of women in undergraduate programmes was 20 per cent. Over the past few decades, the situation has changed dramatically - today, some 60 per cent of students in Sweden are women. >meanwhile, on /r9k/ >LOL WHY WIMIN DUM ANIMAL Gender roles. There's still a bunch of you assholes wandering around saying women are emotional and belong in the kitchen, and that discourages women from jumping into university.

9 min later 9005410 Anonymous
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A CUTE TOMBOY GF WHO IS ANGRY ABOUT C++

11 min later 9005422 Anonymous
>>9005410 My ex used to get pissed about C++ all the time I have no idea what the fuck she was talking about though.

12 min later 9005434 Anonymous
>>9005410 Is she perchance vexed

14 min later 9005457 Anonymous
>>9005407 Gee I thought white knights were a thing of fiction

16 min later 9005479 Anonymous
>Previous generation weren't allowed to attend STEM classes past a certain grade because of gender roles, and even then it was frowned upon when they were allowed to (see: separate sex classes) >STEM majors are a sausage-fest, which is off-putting to women >Notable sexism in STEM, particularly in the CS field. >Girls in schools aren't encouraged in science and math as much as boys are >Different interests, which also stem from gender roles (dolls and play houses vs. cars and LEGO, etc.) Some biological as well. >Are women just not smart or hard working enough? Brotip: that's not exactly helping it either. Also, not everything is like the Western world. For example, I believe Malaysia has about equal or more female demographic in the CS major.

17 min later 9005484 Anonymous
>>9005422 Kind of jealous but also sad that you broke up and that I never had the same chance.

17 min later 9005496 Anonymous
>>9005457 >a well-argumented view that doesn't view women as the ultimate evil >WHITE KNIGHTS WHITE KNIGHTS I honestly hope, for the sake of your own intellectual growth, that you are trolling here.

18 min later 9005509 Anonymous
>Gender roles. There's still a bunch of you assholes wandering around saying women are emotional and belong in the kitchen, and that discourages women from jumping into university. If they care about such stupid opinions, and opinions only, then they, in fact, are emotional and conformist by nature.

20 min later 9005540 Anonymous
> be 18 year old girl > entire world is kissing your ripe ass meanwhile in STEM classes: > sink-or-swim grading > enormous workload > greasy creepy nerds everywhere not so complicated

20 min later 9005541 Fandroid
Women are generally more stupid than men.

21 min later 9005559 Anonymous
>>9005509 >If they care about such stupid opinions, and opinions only, then they, in fact, are emotional and conformist by nature. You obviously care about them as well, since you're so stubbornly defending your skewered view without ever seeing any scientific proof for it. You act as if you're above what society impregnates you with, and yet you're laughably proving how much of a drone you are by defending biologically and psychologically baseless claims.

22 min later 9005560 Anonymous
>>9005479 but at the same time there are tonnes of scholarships for women in STEM in America. Meanwhile in Iran, women face much worse conditions when its comes to unfriendly STEM fields but 70% of engineering students are women. And as someone who's seen the engineering entrance papers for Iranian unis, I can tell you that those things are near impossible, so its not just a case of them being able to get into shitty universities that are easy to get into. What makes Iran so special?

22 min later 9005567 Anonymous
>>9005509 I don't think you quite know what you're talking about. Gender roles are placed upon people when they're young. Let a boy grow up on girls' toys, and a girl boys' toys, and you'll see how that heavily influences their interests later on, for example. It's not something as obvious and conscious as you make it to be, especially when you're young at the most influenceable state in your life.

25 min later 9005597 Anonymous
>>9005560 Scholarships doesn't necessarily mean that people would be more into it, though. The worst decision you can make is to get into a major you dislike for the money and scholarship. I wish I can say something about Iran, but I'm too ignorant to say anything. I'm not familiar with Iran's culture and history or anything at all.

25 min later 9005598 Anonymous
Women's studies class sure is a powerful thing.

26 min later 9005603 Anonymous
>>9005484 In reality her being a software engineer didn't really have any impact on our relationship. It may sound cool to have a girl that's nerdy and all into cs and shit, but when it comes to real dating it means almost nothing at all. Common interests in movies, food, hobbies are a lot more important than their profession. That said, >mfw i used to play dota/dota2 and wow with her a lot >mfw 20-0 almost every bg (she was ret pally, i was holy pally, instead of the usual girlhealer/guydps) >mfw she tops dps in almost every raid, but can't heal for shit >mfw she always played carry in dota and was a lot better than me >mfw she makes 105k a year now at some software company

26 min later 9005610 Anonymous
>>9005559 >pure slander The thing I expressed flows directly from what you said. >Someone cares about opinions about ones emotionality >not easily influenced non-agent of a person I'm also not within your cultural sphere. I'm slavic, so don't rub your social constructs on myself/shame me on he basis of those. Personally, resistance of the subject I'm dealing with motivates me. Opinions of people about my emotionality...mean...jack...shit.

27 min later 9005627 Anonymous
>>9005379 My experience with female biochem majors is that they are full blown crazies, I would rather be in a room with a homeless guy than one of them. Hopefully she isn't like that.

28 min later 9005639 Anonymous (faravahar[1].gif 819x399 42kB)
>>9005560 Iranians are just awesome. I think they're the richest and best educated class of immigrants in America. If they just got rid of that that whole pesky Islam thing their country would be paradise.

28 min later 9005646 Anonymous
>>9005603 That's true, but the thing is I AM ALSO ANGRY ABOUT C++

29 min later 9005652 Anonymous
>>9005479 >For example, I believe Malaysia has about equal or more female demographic in the CS major. If you want to shift the dynamic towards that point, expect that some heavy changes to the interer-gender relations. Mostly not necessarily in favor of the female.

29 min later 9005663 Anonymous (1173419042626.jpg 1280x800 214kB)
Forget the T (fuck CS, IS, IT), why are there so few SEM workers?

30 min later 9005683 Anonymous
>>9005479 >>Girls in schools aren't encouraged in science and math as much as boys are I never understood this, I was never encouraged to go into science either, it's just something I always wanted to do. I never heard anyone say they were "encouraged" to go into science besides minority kids whose parents push them to be doctors. And there are plenty of women who fall into that category as well.

31 min later 9005690 Anonymous
>>9005627 I wouldn't say so. I used to be a TA for biochemistry so I know tons of biochem grills, not that many of them were that crazy. However, my current gf is kinda crazy, but in a cute way. She's into guro and shit, and is a nurse, so I'm not sure how that really works. It doesn't bother me though, I just care that she's a loving and a genuinely nice person.

31 min later 9005696 Anonymous
>>9005598 Laughably less powerful than ignorance. >>9005610 My dear stuck-up brother, I'm as Slavic as they get and yet I still manage to remain composed when discussing various matters online, something that's still out of your reach. Especially if you're Slavic, you must admit the influence generations of patriarchal society have placed on you, because it's even stronger than in the West. Your opinion on women is so strongly reinforced by tradition that you refuse to believe anything else. Do a little research. Look up some statistics on how long women were blocked from advancing in STEM fields. Look how male-driven the field was despite great female minds (most notably Slavic ones) emerging besides their contemporary male counterparts. You're literally what's wrong with Eastern Europe, a part of the problem. Too stuck up to even consider you might not be as right as your backwards heritage has taught you.

35 min later 9005750 Anonymous
The better question is why don't women use linux? I go to my uni's linux group and there are absolutely no women. Only guys.

36 min later 9005763 Anonymous
>>9005690 >however, my current gf is kinda crazy Well, good luck with that

38 min later 9005783 Anonymous
>>9005763 Thanks. She's oddly creepy and sweet at the same time.

38 min later 9005784 Anonymous
when will they expand STEM to STWEM so that it can include the lucrative women's studies?

39 min later 9005800 Anonymous
>>9005304 because you can't take time off for pregnancy and expect to resume your career without consequences

40 min later 9005816 Anonymous
>Women are exactly the same as men in all things its just muh patriarchy that effects career choice Take an infant, less than 3 months old. The male infants when separated from their mother cry less than females separated from their mother. Continuing on, female children (age 3) tend to choose dolls over other toys, boys tend to choose balls and other "physical" toys. Even in households that raise children "gender neutral" this holds. Even in the womb male infants tend to have differing heart beats and move more than females. Men and women are different. They have biological preferences in their interests and behaviour. That isn't to say that women aren't as intelligent, just that they have differing interests. We are different yet equal. Accepting that is the first step toward an egalitarian world.

41 min later 9005839 Anonymous
>>9005390 oh fuck off if you knew everything about why people do the things you do you wouldn't be here

41 min later 9005843 Anonymous
>>9005784 Most people don't even take Women's Studies as a major. Go outside for once.

42 min later 9005847 Anonymous
>>9005750 Have you ever seen a women's computer that isn't completely infested with adware?

42 min later 9005855 Anonymous
>>9005816 >egalitarian world >you will never live in a world governed by gigantic anthropomorphic eagles

43 min later 9005862 Anonymous
>>9005847 No but I've also rarely seen a guy outside of that club whose computer isn't infested either.

43 min later 9005869 Anonymous
>>9005816 >Men and women are different. True, indisputable. >They have biological preferences in their interests and behaviour. Not proven to a T, but let's for the sake of argument assume that it is. >This causes them to have different capabilities in regards to intelligence, decision making, ability to not mix emotions and rational thinking. >The way they're brought up has nothing to do with it Unproven, baseless and prejudiced.

44 min later 9005877 Anonymous
>>9005843 Are you serious? at my university women's studies is the only major available. Ask anybody, women is the future

47 min later 9005899 Anonymous
>>9005877 I... don't want to ask what kind of university you go at, where the only major they offer is Women's Studies. I highly suggest you go to another.

48 min later 9005912 Anonymous
>>9005816 >Take an infant, less than 3 months old. The male infants when separated from their mother cry less than females separated from their mother. Actually, the opposite is true. I agree with your point, but it's actually boys who cry more than girls in infancy. They're much more emotional than girls, and yet are taught to bottle up their emotions more.

48 min later 9005914 Anonymous
>>9005750 Most people who use Linux use it for programming or are server admins.

49 min later 9005923 Anonymous
>>9005869 Read the whole post. I didn't say women were less intelligent, I didn't say they were worse at anything. Simply they have differing interests and preferences. Which likely effects their career choice to an extent. I also didn't dispute upbringing as having an effect. It clearly has an effect, but biology does too. Taking a wholistic view is best. I directly stated we are different yet equal. Women are not "worse" than men in any way. Simply different.

50 min later 9005943 Anonymous
>>9005914 The majority of people in that club are Computer/Electrical Engineers. Still though. Why isn't there that many female linux users?

50 min later 9005948 Anonymous
>>9005385 >You should probably ask the same thing in a decade and you'll likely see an improvement. But there's been a decline as muh feminism has increased. Women have never possessed as much equality as they enjoy now but numbers went down last year. Nothing is pointing up.

52 min later 9005970 Anonymous
>>9005696 >remain composed when discussing various matters online You proven this to be incorrect in the post in which you replied to my first reply. Your fancy attempt at a word salad doesn't change that one bit, and gives an impression of an artificial attempt at keeping composure. >You're literally what's wrong with Eastern Europe, a part of the problem. Too stuck up to even consider you might not be as right as your backwards heritage has taught you. You're making huge fucking assumption here, while mixing it with slander. Can't treat you seriously. I would also like to add that BOTH of my parents were engineers. Suck on this. I try to tackle all opinions separately. Now I was replying to your opinion and you seem to be unable to respond to my reply with anything else than frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy.

52 min later 9005971 Anonymous
>>9005304 They believe they should be able to become an engineer or a scientist without learning anything or doing any hard work, and blame their problems on the patriarchy systematically preventing them from entering STEM fields.

53 min later 9005979 Anonymous
>>9005899 Pooniversity, Ladyland

54 min later 9005994 Anonymous
>>9005971 >Black person complaining that whitey be keeping him down cause he made computers hard.jpg

55 min later 9006006 Anonymous
>>9005943 What I said wasn't accurate, rather people who are into computers (not necessarily programming.) Look at the kind of people who use Linux.

56 min later 9006021 Anonymous
>>9006006 Why aren't girls interested in computers then?

56 min later 9006028 Anonymous
>>9005382 And some of them are objectively right while others are objectively wrong. It may be harder to see based on complexity but it can be determined.

58 min later 9006049 Anonymous
>>9005923 >Read the whole post. I did. But I have to be extra-explicit because this board has a bone to pick with women in general. >Simply they have differing interests and preferences. Which likely effects their career choice to an extent. Interests and preferences aren't just a product of biology. You are making a stretch there by saying that it naturally affects their career choice. >Women are not "worse" than men in any way. Simply different. You don't have to outright say they're worse to have your words imply so. I don't doubt that you have good intentions but from the outside perspective it seems you're not assuming a neutral perspective. >>9005948 >Nothing is pointing up. Bollocks, look at politics. But it doesn't matter, let's not turn this thread into a war of who can google the most statistics. I'd like to bring up what I brought up earlier - more time has to go by. Even in the most progressive places there are remains of patriarchy, and some other places that are a big part of the world's population are notably backwards in regards to female rights. >>9005970 > Suck on this. >look at me, I'm composed, rational and civilized! If I'm slandering you, sue me. I can only sigh at your absolute inability to make one rational argument instead of attacking me to defend your fragile ego. Again, please refrain from attacking me, and give me ARGUMENTS. Caps-locked because you'll surely focus on the jabs I threw at you, or as you call it and do it very well yourself: >frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy. If both your parents were engineers, how come you're such a misogynist? Didn't your mom prove you first-hand that she's as capable? If she didn't, then don't brag about her being an engineer.

58 min later 9006050 Anonymous
>>9005869 I fucking lol'd at that feminazi "inference" at the end

1 hours later 9006078 Anonymous
>>9005816 >We are different yet equal. I don't understand how this concept has even come to be. That makes no sense whatsoever. Different things can't possibly be equal, that's why they're different. Women also are weaker than men, so even if they are equally "intelligent," they still lose.

1 hours later 9006098 Anonymous
>>9006049 Why does more time have to go by? Muh patriarchy and women in STEM fields are both declining. Asserting women will further decline (not something i believe) is more supported than your claim.

1 hours later 9006105 Anonymous
>>9005683 It's some psychological thing where people say that by studying Einstein and Newton, you're studying the accomplishments of men and therefore have a scientific role model. But nobody cares about Marie Curie so therefore women have no guidance. Supposedly.

1 hours later 9006106 Anonymous
There are plenty of women in science, they're just Chinese or Indian and in the latter case they're ugly. If you include medicine, over half of new medical students are female.

1 hours later 9006119 Anonymous
>>9005407 >60 per cent of students in Sweden are women But what degrees are they doing? Because it ain't STEM. >yfw they are doing fashion and design.

1 hours later 9006132 Anonymous
>>9006105 I grew up in an education system that taught me men are born with original sin and are incompetent and incapable oppressors, while women are geniuses and incapable of evil and are God's greatest gift to the world. I still wound up in a STEM field.

1 hours later 9006175 Anonymous
>>9006078 >I don't understand how this concept has even come to be It's not supposed to be taken literally. It means equal rights, equal treatment and equal opportunities, with special care taken to address the differences that are fair to both sides. >Women also are weaker than men, so even if they are equally "intelligent," they still lose. Lose what? Apart from sports and arguably military, there isn't a career area where the strength difference is worth a damn. Humans generally are weaker than elephants and I don't see elephants being advanced enough to waste their time arguing about this on an imageboard instead of struggling to survive. >>9006098 >Why does more time have to go by? For the remains of patriarchy to go away (at least partially). You can't expect the world to give you a female Einstein when a huge chunk of the world's popularion thinks females should be killed in the womb, and another chunk thinks it's just not possible because 'women are emotional'. >Asserting women will further decline (not something i believe) is more supported than your claim. I don't know about STEM itself, but this isn't something you can be too particular about. The position of women generally isn't declining, so I don't see why it should decline in the STEM fields. >>9006119 See, this post is a good illustration of the problem. I don't want to hate on the poster, but he goes along and says that women are probably studying fashion and design instead of going to a website of a Swedish university and checking something like that for himself. That attitude of being so convinced that women are inferior is how you're subtly making them inferior in practice. >>9006132 Is that Sweden? Also, women all over the world still end up in the STEM field so I don't see how a mass of you exception-people proves a point.

1 hours later 9006189 Anonymous
>>9006021 Just Google that shit, man. There's actually been research on why there's a low amount of women in CS majors.

1 hours later 9006205 Anonymous
>>9006119 >yfw they're doing both http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g032 MPrSjFA

1 hours later 9006231 Anonymous
>>9006175 >Is that Sweden? Canada. And my civil engineering class of roughly 300 students has maybe a dozen females at most.

1 hours later 9006256 Anonymous (523574_353441481407836_29602297_n-2.jpg 403x403 20kB)
>>9006175 >instead of going to a website of a Swedish university and checking something like that for himself But the stats already show that women make up a small percentage of STEM in general. There is no reason to go to the Uni site and see it, it's already been reported on. It's not an attitude, it's a statistical fact.

1 hours later 9006283 MJ Mage (1378770325352.gif 228x300 1047kB)
>>9005304 Genetic differences. Men are naturally on the average more mathematically inclined. Meanwhile, women are typically better at reading and multitasking. Gender differences m8

1 hours later 9006309 Anonymous
>>9006256 >It's not an attitude, it's a statistical fact. A statistical fact that you can't and won't cite a source on. You have an element of belief in your views. You know who else does, don't ya? Don't make me get all fedora-tipping here. But on a more serious note, I have to address another part of your post: >it's a statistical fact. A statistical fact can be interpreted in a limitless number of ways. You're (hypothetically) saying that there's fewer women in STEM because they're dumb. A feminist gung-ho on the male oppression will say that it's because males are intentionally keeping women out of the important fields. She'd have as much leverage as you have.

1 hours later 9006311 Anonymous
>>9006175 >Lose what? Being superior.

1 hours later 9006353 Anonymous (7b2.png 680x828 1138kB)
>>9005567 Ever hear of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ Reimer? >Boy has dick cut off during circumcision. >Doctors tell parents to raise "her" as a girl >Grows up very maladjusted, wishing "she" where a boy, playing with trucks and boy toys, hating dresses, ect. >Returns to being a boy after he finds out what happened. >Kills himself eventually. >[As did his identical twin brother, a schizophrenic.

1 hours later 9006436 Anonymous (Kent Smirk.jpg 372x371 110kB)
>>9006309 >mfw my gf is a chem major with a 3.8 >mfw she'll end up either in food science or pharmaceuticals >mfw I can already hear the BUT, BUT, BUT replies from bitter, asspained autists

1 hours later 9006445 Anonymous
>>9006175 >another chunk thinks it's just not possible because 'women are emotional'. How does that change what the female thinks she should study? As far as I remember, being a nerd in the US is something to be ashamed, and still men do it. Mostly those that later go to do STEM degrees. Are females she encouraged to take trash non-STEM degrees? Perhaps a good way to amend this whole situation is mass shaming of anyone taking anything like basket weaving degrees/gender studies.

1 hours later 9006459 Anonymous (1380972807361.gif 396x361 1047kB)
>>9006309 Fine here's a random link to a source. Just google female engineers and you'll see numerous stats on how many women are in Engineering, and it's usually under 20%, although women make up 50% or more of graduates. This shows without doing any kind of difficult maths that women are just not doing Engineering or STEM. Computer science tends to be the least taken degree for women. http://www.swe.org/swe/regiond/sect ions/sefl/templates/StatisticsonWom eninEngineering%5B1%5D.pdf I never said women are dumb, I said they are not doing STEM, just a simple observation. Why they are not doing STEM? I don't know... do you?

1 hours later 9006495 Anonymous
>>9006445 I'm a huge fucking nerd on purpose and I'm proud of it. Before I was discharged from the core's training I got a brown belt in MCMAP just so I could be solid fucking snake. Guess who tries to shame me for that.

1 hours later 9006500 Anonymous
>>9006445 I actually know a girl going into a degree for weaving. Weaving is literally her only interest, can't do fucking anything with her but weave and talk about weaving I make fun of her all the time she's a fat, entitled bitch

1 hours later 9006501 Anonymous
>>9006436 >mfw you come here to brag about your 3.8 chem gf but get none of the jealous replies you were hoping for

1 hours later 9006516 Anonymous
>>9006175 Not even a misogynist, I come to /r9k/ for the feels and funny greentext stories, but >Lose what? Apart from sports and arguably military, there isn't a career area where the strength difference is worth a damn. Ever heard of construction, landscaping, firefighting, and emergency medical work, and even a lot of retail? Lifting heavy things is a major part of a lot of jobs. I'm an EMT and while I'm fine that woman are EMTs and Medics, I don't think it's a good idea for two woman to be on a call together, because with the obesity epidemic, even Men have trouble lifting the patients. >Tl;Dr, You're from tumbler, SRS, or CGL.

1 hours later 9006566 Anonymous
>>9006049 >...making a fuss about capitalisation of a certain word.. You have nothing to say I see. >If both your parents were engineers, how come you're such a misogynist? You are seriously hilarious. How does having engineering parents forbid one to be a misogynist (not that I'm one)? I didn't make any assumptions about your gender, but it seems that you're a bit emotional and lacking in the faculty of logic. You could be a man, but the other option seems much more likely. Most importantly, you'll never win people over if you attack them for dissecting your arguments, like I did.

1 hours later 9006572 Anonymous
>>9006436 >having a dumbass gf >>9006445 >How does that change what the female thinks she should study? Small illustration: >Anon is a daddy >Anon has a qt little daughter >Anon think that qts should be pretty and not waste time in a dusty room studying >Anon raises her daughter trying to teach her that looking pretty is important and that she'll find a good husband that way, and he doesn't scold her for shitty grades Bam, instant bimbo. >As far as I remember, being a nerd in the US is something to be ashamed, and still men do it Social stigma comes in different flavors. In highschool you will be ridiculed for being a nerd, but in adulthood you'll be treated as the top banana for having a huge salary and being considered intelligent and an expert. >Are females she encouraged to take trash non-STEM degrees? They often are, talk to some girls about it. >Perhaps a good way to amend this whole situation is mass shaming of anyone taking anything like basket weaving degrees/gender studies. Problems are not solved by creating more complicated problems. Let me add that I think gender studies (as a primary degree, and not a course on the side) are a waste of money and effort for everyone involved and only create unemployed, mad pseudofeminists, just like how philosophy degrees create unemployed, mad pseudointellectuals. >>9006459 I told you earlier, digging up links isn't helpful here, we know the numbers are in favor of males. >you'll see numerous stats on how many women are in Engineering, and it's usually under 20%, although women make up 50% or more of graduates. >20% women in Engineering >50% or more graduates Bro, that means they graduate more often than men, even though there's less of them. >Why they are not doing STEM? I don't know... do you? I have no idea. But neither does anyone here and claiming it's because of X or Y and firmly believing it is idiotic.

1 hours later 9006573 Anonymous (iStock_laughing-business-men.jpg 428x280 170kB)
>women >thinking they are as good as men http://www.icr.org/article/378/

1 hours later 9006608 Anonymous
>>9006516 Actually I'm a senior level IT and all of the companies I've managed for required their techs to be able to consistently move up to 95lbs for an entire shift. Same goes for kitchen prep, office depot, even Jimmy John's. Their employees needed to be able to move weight. Some of them even higher.

1 hours later 9006613 Anonymous
they're too dumb their emotions interfere too much thus they go for humanities, but not even humanities that involve some logic, but bullshit like gender studies and such

1 hours later 9006656 Anonymous
>>9006516 >Ever heard of construction, landscaping, firefighting, and emergency medical work, and even a lot of retail? And none of those are done with tools, I presume? You overestimate how weaker females naturally are. In regards to those career choices, they're just as capable as men. Only in careers where every sort of edge is truly necessary (sports, bodybuilding) do they sometimes fall behind. Contrary to what you think, women can lift heavy things as well. Such a difference of strength is not enough to warrant banning females from the field. Look it up, women do physically tough jobs as well. Paramedics tend to be largely women. >>9006566 You haven't posted a single argument yet and it took you this long. You attacked my manhood, though, props for that, I'm sure you're not feigning that you're Slavic now. Don't bother replying, you're not up to par with the level of this discussion and I say that without any ill-intention. You don't understand the issues of gender and you're getting too emotional in what, like 4th post now? Go do something else, I can't teach you anything.

1 hours later 9006686 Anonymous
As A mater of fact, I think everyone should start encourage/shame females into useful degrees. Why shouldn't this be done? I for one, will call every female that have chosen a useless degree, when going to a STEM one was financially attainable WILL be called a thrash patriarchy enabling cretin.

1 hours later 9006697 Anonymous
>>9006572 >Bro, that means they graduate more often than men, even though there's less of them. No it doesn't suggest that at all. It merely says how many engineer graduates are male and how many female. It says nothing of how many actually took the course and failed.

1 hours later 9006741 Anonymous (_____136467675742.jpg 490x333 30kB)
>>9006656 >ranting continues >You attacked my manhood You consider the fact that I implied that you're female to be offensive? pic related about the whole mass of your rants

1 hours later 9006796 Anonymous
>>9006686 This is already happening for males, they're often thrashed as useless hippies and bums for studying arts and the like, no reason to have a double-standard. >>9006697 But it doesn't suggest what you were saying either. I already addressed that, you can't take statistics for granted. They can be skewered to support one view or the other. I think that what you posted doesn't speak badly of female performance but you're entitled to your own view. Look for better one when you really want to make a decision about it, though. >>9006741 >you could be a man, but the other option seems much more likely. Yes, I consider it offensive that you thought I was female just because you don't agree with me and my views anger you. It's offensive how bigoted and misogynistic that is. And thanks for the nice reaction image, you're making a good point there and you're absolutely not the dumbest person I have ever argued with on this site. Can you just tell me where you're from? I have my doubts but I'd like to confirm it. Why not add a little ethnic hate speech to your chauvinist whining?

2 hours later 9007137 Anonymous
>>9006796 >But it doesn't suggest what you were saying either. Yes it does. I said there are less women in STEM, and the stats show that. You keep using a strawman that I am insulting womens intelligence when I am not. I'll greentext my argument so you can better understand it as you clearly have problems... >There are less women in STEM >women make up 50% of graduates >So there must be less women going in to STEM than men in general, or else the numbers would be equal or only a very slight difference I make no assumptions of ability of women. But it does beg the question of 'why?' are so few women doing it? I think it's shameful and women should do more about it.

2 hours later 9007201 Anonymous
>>9007137 >Yes it does. I said there are less women in STEM, and the stats show that. We knew that. You, or someone whose line of arguing you have previously continued said that's a result of biological differences . I kept on disagreeing, making a note that you're indirectly underestimating female capabilities and/or intelligence by saying that they don't go to STEM fields as much due to different 'interests' and 'behaviors'. Nothing you said in your last post is wrong with me.

2 hours later 9007290 Anonymous
>>9005567 No, this is absolute bullshit. There is evidence that gender is genetic. Watch the Norwegian documentary "Brainwashed".

2 hours later 9007344 Anonymous
>>9007290 It's not 'absolute bullshit' because your 'evidence' isn't the X in a mathematical formula, it's just a guess at how the biological factors influence the gender without any research done on the grounds of how little or how much it actually influences people. Not even Norway's a perfect sample for that, and cultural influence is way subtler than what career statistics show you. I'm not saying that what the documentary's about should be dismissed as bullshit, but it's not the missing link.

2 hours later 9007427 Anonymous
>>9007344 >It's not 'absolute bullshit Watch the documentary and look at what the scientists tested: they saw gender differences from young ages, we're talking a few days old (the experiment showing a face or mechanical object to make and female babies) Or what about when they had 9 month old babies crawl to whatever toy fancied them? The boys overwhelmingly picked the boys' toys and the girls' picked the girl toys. When presented with the evidence, all of the sociologists dismissed it and said "why would you even care?" There's no doubt there is a mix of nature and nurture but people have most likely been drastically underestimate the role of genetics

2 hours later 9007452 Anonymous
Women don't have as much motivation to do anything difficult in life because they usually get everything handed to them on a silver platter. That's all there is to it.

2 hours later 9007511 Anonymous
>>9007427 >but people have most likely been drastically underestimate the role of genetics And yet you keep overestimating it. In fact, genetics may be getting overruled by nurture in ways we don't even know about. (but let's not get too theoretical) Children's preference for toys and images doesn't guarantee any sort of predictability for further development. It's a stretch to say that it does at a present juncture. With more comprehensive research, sure. But what Norway's babby-researchers did isn't enough. >When presented with the evidence, all of the sociologists dismissed it and said "why would you even care?" Excluding those who had rational explanations for not considering it, it's worth noting that many will disregard the research out of ideological reasons. I don't support that either, but it's also worth noting that this research didn't gain much attention in the academia (yet). It may not be as useful as it appears.

2 hours later 9007545 Anonymous
>>9007511 >And yet you keep overestimating it. Nope, I'm saying there is more evidence pointing to genetics than there is evidence for culture. >In fact, genetics may be getting overruled by nurture in ways we don't even know about. Any time this happens, people get unhappy. >It may not be as useful as it appears. Why not? Again, what evidence points to culture forming ones sexual orientation, gender identity, interest in things, etc? I'm not excluding nurture, I'm just saying based on the research and the plain reality of sexual orientation and male and female hormones, nurture isn't going to undo nature. Nature is there, and nurture will either dilute nature or intensify it.

2 hours later 9007546 Anonymous
>>9007201 >You, or someone whose line of arguing you have previously continued said that's a result of biological differences I never said that nor did I continue anyone elses argument you retarded faggot. You clearly are not capable of understanding that you are arguing with a group of people, and you cannot just compile a list of different posts and put their arguments together in some jumbled mess and then start arguing with that jumbled mess of posts as if it is one person.

2 hours later 9007655 Anonymous
>>9005385 >. Apparently there's biological proof that males prefer science compared to females, but it's just a thesis and not grounds for misogyny. Well if it's proof, then by definition it should be grounds for considering females inferior in the area of STEM sciences

3 hours later 9007674 Anonymous
>>9005407 >Gender roles. There's still a bunch of you assholes wandering around saying women are emotional and belong in the kitchen, and that discourages women from jumping into university. It's always our fault? The world is mean. Why not put the onus on women for being discouraged so easily? You take away their agency by putting the blame on men, as if men deterimine women's behavior, which, ironically, is a sexist implication.

3 hours later 9007707 Anonymous
>2013 >Thinking womyn work. Muh sides.

3 hours later 9007748 Anonymous
>>9006656 They had to lower the physical entrance exam standards for firefighters and police due to lawsuits alleging sexism by result (rather than intent), because women were much less likely to pass them.

3 hours later 9007898 Anonymous
Because male brains are more oriented towards systemizing while female brains are more oriented towards empathizing. STEM professions are very systematic, which is why men, particularly autistic men, prefer them. That's also why females take on more "people-oriented" professions like teaching or nursing. Women are more interested in connecting with other people while men are more interested in figuring out how shit works. It has nothing to do with intelligence. I wish you sperglords would get over your weird STEM-related superiority complex.

3 hours later 9007966 Anonymous
>>9007545 >Again, what evidence points to culture forming ones sexual orientation, gender identity, interest in things, etc? Google it >>9007546 There is no need to get upset. Are you the Slav from earlier by any case? You sound like him. >>9007655 It's not exactly proof if it's just a thesis. Not to mention that we have stronger empyrical proof for the opposite claim, of females actually succeeding in STEM fields. >>9007748 Physical issue is touchy one by itself. It is speculated that a good percentage of female comparative weakness comes from nurture, and that the nature only plays a marginal part. But I think we should leave the strength part out of the STEM-fields related discussion.

3 hours later 9007987 Anonymous
>>9007966 >Are you the Slav from earlier by any case? You sound like him. No I'm not 'that slav' and you can't tell who I am by just looking at my anonymous fucking post. Jesus you are insufferable.

3 hours later 9008009 Anonymous
>>9007987 Oh, so you are him. How's it going?

3 hours later 9008176 Anonymous
>>9007966 >Google it Wow thanks for the great evidence to support your case.

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