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2013-06-05 02:09 7210584 Anonymous (used_goods.jpg 922x922 126kB)
Why would you ever want to spend your life with a girl who will always remember another man as her first? How could you want to share your mind with a female mind that will always treasure the memory of her first alpha high school boyfriend who took away her innocence and showed her the amazing new world of sex? How can you look at a woman's face and feel attracted to her at all, knowing that it's the leftovers of what another man marked as his territory?

1 min later 7210598 Anonymous
You can be at peace with this irrationality as soon as you realize that if she treasured him that much, she'd still be attached to his cock.

3 min later 7210613 Cheshire Cat
Because absolutely none of that shit matters. >>7210598 Too true.

4 min later 7210622 Anonymous
>Guys look! I posted it again!

5 min later 7210626 Pachacutec
>>7210598 Shit, that's a great phrase. I wonder if Craig's actually a normal person, with a gf, a family perhaps, and only posts this shit to troll... or if he actually believes all this crap. Hell, I don't even know which one is sadder.

5 min later 7210636 Anonymous
OP, you're projecting your feelings about virginity onto a hypothetical wife. And with that logic, you shouldn't even have lustful thoughts about a women unless you are going to marry her, otherwise you will always remember another woman as first.

22 min later 7210810 Anonymous
>>7210598 It's not like he could have broken up with her, or moved away, etc..

28 min later 7210873 Anonymous
Slutty women make terrible wives/girlfriends anyway, the genie has been out of that bottle for years. Your odds of divorce is greater than 50% if she has had more than 1 other partner in her whole life. For men, being promiscuous makes you more attractive to women (they love the pre-selected man).

41 min later 7211030 Anonymous
>>7210636 I wish I was a young alpha male in middle school and started getting my cock sucked by the cute girls who are still untainted.

44 min later 7211072 Anonymous
>>7210873 Promiscuity in men does make you more attractive to women, but it also has the same effect of dulling emotional bonding. That's really the biggest quandry. Women want men to commit to them, but don't want the men most likely to commit, i.e. those saving themselves for marriage. Note that I'm not talking about involuntary celibates, but the ones who are virginal by choice.

46 min later 7211088 Anonymous
>>7211030 So, assuming you share the same mindset as OP, why do you care if you get used goods?

47 min later 7211107 Anonymous
>>7211072 Those guys are so rare that they might as well not exist for the significance they should have for the average girl's strategy.

49 min later 7211126 Anonymous
>>7211107 You're right in saying that a commitment to not having sex outside of long-term romantic relationships is something that should be more common in both men and women, but that doesn't change my point that women are less attracted to that sort of male (on average) than the alpha who's pumped and dumped.

50 min later 7211127 Anonymous
>>7211088 Because it's impossible to erase the mental picture of another man's cum on her face. You would have to be a normalfag, of which 9 out of 10 are essentially cuckold fetishists but keep denying it. You have literally no other choice but accepting cuckoldry if you settle with used goods.

51 min later 7211139 Anonymous
>>7211072 The problem comes with compatibility. Women who want a committed relationship and actively remain virginal by choice may end up losing their virginity if they ever find a man who seems to gel with them. If the world were perfect, then the first man she seems to do well with would be with her forever, but since we *don't* live in a perfect world, it makes sense that sometimes the relationships don't work and the two break it off. I don't see how anyone in such a situation loses worth, especially if they don't become sex obsessed and start fucking just for fucking's sake. If they're really interested in commitment, then they'll abstain until they find another partner that seems to work. They're still the same person. It feels like many people here are under the impression that losing one's virginity changes someone into a completely different person, when in reality.. Well, the non-virgins of /r9k/ know what I'm talking about.

51 min later 7211140 Anonymous
>>7211127 I am neither a cuckold nor a normalfag, I would care not if my partner had partners before I.

53 min later 7211167 Anonymous
>tfw I don't think about any of that because I am a normalfag

54 min later 7211182 Anonymous
>>7210584 jokes on you my gf lost her virginity when she was raped no fond memories there

54 min later 7211184 Anonymous
>>7211139 Well in this post you're establishing the false dichotomy often used by normalfags against the people who want chaste partners. Women who want commitment and strive for it, but who's first relationship doesn't work out aren't necessarily bad partners, the problem is that people use that line of thinking to justify a woman having lots of partners by just assuming "they want love and wanted it to work out". You have to be wary with this sort of thing. Personally I wouldn't mind if my wife wasn't a virgin, despite the fact that I am, but a woman having many partners and especially having sex outside of total commitment is just unacceptable to me.

55 min later 7211189 Anonymous (00aa1.png 485x409 57kB)
OP, stop making these threads. please, I beg of you...

1 hours later 7211263 Anonymous
Let me break down what is so silly about this: Despite what you guys want to believe, losing your virginity actually does change you. Specifically, it changes your attitudes toward sex. It becomes more of a natural thing to you, and you want more of it. This is just as true for women as it is for men. What this means is, when you finally get your supposed virgin wife, you really don't know what you're getting into. Being her first could potentially make her dependent, but it could also unlock her sexual inhibitions in ways you don't expect. She may want better sex, she may start thinking about everything she's missed out on by only being with you. Also note that if you are a virgin as well, the same thing could happen to you. A few weeks of passionate devotion and love may very well only serve as a segway to a lifetime of regrets, disappointment and cheating. A girl who has sexual experience, on the other hand, is much more matured in her attitudes toward sex. She knows what she wants, and, more importantly, you know what kind of person she'll be when you get with her. If she is a nympho slut who has sex compulsively, this will be apparent. However, if she is a woman who has lost her virginity and learned how to keep her sexuality in check, you know that she's the kind of person you want to date. Basically, virgins are all talk, and you really don't know what kind of person you're going to be sexually until you lose it.

1 hours later 7211275 Anonymous
>>7210584 >tfw 'first' was what I thought to be someone I'd spend my life with (I was 21 at the time) >tfw all fell apart >tfw regret >tfw haven't had a partner since because I feel like trash and I'll never be good enough >25 now please, robots, have the heart to forgive some things. This is ruining my life.

1 hours later 7211291 Anonymous
as long as i've fucked more girls than she has fucked dudes idgaf and i've fucked a lot of chicks

1 hours later 7211335 Anonymous
>>7211184 >Women who want commitment and strive for it, but who's first relationship doesn't work out aren't necessarily bad partners, the problem is that people use that line of thinking to justify a woman having lots of partners by just assuming "they want love and wanted it to work out". I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. Kinda curious and willing to listen if you elaborate. I was arguing against the Craig mentality that if a woman isn't a virgin, she must be a dirty slut instead. I think that kind of thinking has more than its own fair share of logical fallacies, although it's been years since I've had a refresher in all the names and such.

1 hours later 7211346 Anonymous
lel these threads never gets old. it's always guaranteed replies no matter how many times its posted

1 hours later 7211347 Anonymous
hey OP check my repeating integers check them hard

1 hours later 7211360 Anonymous
I hope you guys all realize that you would actually make really shitty boyfriends and husbands because of your insane issues with jealousy. Stop. Even if you somehow get a gf while harboring these attitudes, you're just going to be one of those idiots who freaks the fuck out whenever his girlfriend talks to another guy, and then good luck not driving her away or turning her into an emotionally abused wretch who hates you and gets fat on purpose.

1 hours later 7211371 Anonymous
>>7211275 Would you have heart to forgive a 30+ year old virgin for lack of experience? No? Then, it all evens out.

1 hours later 7211379 Anonymous
>>7211263 >Basically, virgins are all talk, and you really don't know what kind of person you're going to be sexually until you lose it. I don't know if this is necessarily an overarching truth. Maybe I'm just an exception, but I had a pretty good idea of what kind of person I was sexually and, after experiencing it, I was pretty much correct. But I do agree with everything else you said about maturity. I've definitely grown up in some respects.

1 hours later 7211380 Anonymous
>>7211335 What I'm saying is that it's more the mindset and less strictly the number of partners. A woman who has only had sex with a person she thought legitimately that she'd spend the rest of her life with, but left her isn't a worse partner for it. Maybe less trusting of men, but once you break through that, she's no worse. The problem is, as per the point I've made, is that normalfags will use that line of thinking to justify women having a bunch of partners and still being proper wives.

1 hours later 7211405 Anonymous
>>7210626 I wonder if namefags are real people who don't just use buzzwords and talk to each other like this is a fucking social club. Get out, nigger.

1 hours later 7211409 Anonymous
>>7211360 "For the Lord Your God is a jealous God" Sexual jealousy exists for a reason - we are a reflection of our creator.

1 hours later 7211412 Anonymous
>>7211380 >The problem, as per the point I've made, is that normalfags will use that line of thinking to justify women having a bunch of partners and still being proper wives. So you're saying that some people end up taking this at face-value instead of properly getting to know the woman they're getting into bed with first?

1 hours later 7211441 Anonymous
>>7211371 I don't even care if anyone is a virgin at 30. I might feel kinda bad for them but it's not anything that requires forgiveness.

1 hours later 7211447 Anonymous
>>7211412 I suppose that's true, but still not the point I was making. To again try to elaborate on my point, people (normalfags) will use the point of mindset of love being more important than strictly number of partners to say that those one night stands and short term flings are OK because love rather than saying that woman is less desirable as a wife.

1 hours later 7211550 Anonymous
>>7211447 Ah, I understand where you're coming from now. Thank you for your patience. Well, by very virtue of indulging in one night stands and short term flings, it could easily be assumed that the person in question doesn't share the sentiment that sex is a private, intimate affair and that relationships of that nature should be a deeper than a night of quick relief. If it was important to you, you wouldn't indulge in such things, so it's easy to think that anyone else who does may not be compatible with you. Basically, all this shit is solved if you get to know someone first. It's just too bad that this has the stigma of "friendzoning" now-a-days.

1 hours later 7211553 Anonymous
>>7210626 I knew a guy named craig from a different forum once. He was very bitter and lonely. I wonder if it's the same Craig

1 hours later 7211568 Anonymous
>>7211263 Except marriages between virgins are statistically the most successful

1 hours later 7211608 Anonymous
>only 3 sage posts Eat shit, r9k.

1 hours later 7211661 Anonymous
>>7211568 Keep in mind that a large number of those virgin marriages are religious, where being a virgin is expected/encouraged, and getting divorced actually carries a negative stigma. (as opposed to "you go, girl!")

1 hours later 7211702 Anonymous
>>7211568 if by success, you mean "don't end in divorce" then okay. but if by success you mean "both parties are happy and love each other" then I don't believe a word. you know what arrangement has the absolute lowest divorce rates? Arranged marriages. especially the ones where the couple has only known each other for a few days.

1 hours later 7211704 Anonymous
>>7210584 It's easy really. Don't be a sperglord and fucking get over yourself.

1 hours later 7211709 Anonymous
>>7211553 gametrailers?

1 hours later 7211758 Anonymous
>>7211550 What if someone has a few one night stands that they don't find fulfilling and realize through that experience that they want a real relationship and commitment?

1 hours later 7211773 Anonymous
>>7210584 because I know that a woman is not a dog, or a piece of property. I know that she has feelings, thoughts, and desires. I know that if she fucked another guy, that guy did something to ruin that relationship, and lost her. she wanted more. no matter how glorious and *gasp* *swoon* ALPHA that mythical uber-boyfriend must have been, he must have been an equally shitty fuck up, because despite opening her pussy and her mind to the boundless pleasures of sex, she still kicked his loser ass out onto the curb. obviously blowing her hymen wide open with his god cock didn't mean shit to her, because she left him. clearly posessing the penis that pierced her heavens is worthless.

1 hours later 7211787 Anonymous
>>7211758 Why would it take one night stands to realize that one wants commitment. Obviously someone who's that shallow about it isn't serious about spending their life with someone.

1 hours later 7211793 Anonymous
>>7210873 your chance of divorce is greater than 50% if you are breathing, retard. lrn2statistics

1 hours later 7211813 Anonymous
>tfw you will always be her first, and no matter how hard she tries she'll never forget it

1 hours later 7211816 Anonymous
>>7210584 because i'm not a virgin like you

1 hours later 7211817 Anonymous
>>7211758 I can see how some people might be that dense as to what they truly want(or openminded toward sexuality, your pick), but I find it hard to believe that it would require more than *one* experience to realize it's not what they desire.

1 hours later 7211830 Anonymous
>>7211773 >assuming it's all the man's fault and the woman dumped him naive retard

1 hours later 7211835 Anonymous
>>7211813 >tfw I forget my first It was ages ago and he was mediocre

1 hours later 7211849 Anonymous
>>7211835 yeah, that really makes men eager to commit to you, considering you'll forget them anyways

1 hours later 7211885 Anonymous
>>7211787 because some people are not terrified of experimenting. some people are also not terrified of chasing what they want. if a girl sees a great guy, she may date him, fall in love, and have sex with him. she wants all these things, why should she stiff arm him and make him jump through hoops? if the relationship falls apart, then she has that much experience to mull over and learn from. maybe she picks a different guy, maybe she learns to suppress bad aspects of her personality (jealousy, pettiness, selfishness). maybe she learns how hard relationships are and resolves to be more caring, kind, supportive, and cooperative. maybe she learns that she really likes oral sex, and lets her next boyfriend know this, so they can have better, more meaningful sex, which contributes to a more loving relationship. more knowledge is ALWAYS a better thing. even if you learn what to avoid, you are still better for knowing that

2 hours later 7211997 Anonymous (varg.gif 500x290 503kB)
>>7211885 That just goes to my point about normalfags trying to say that casual sex adds to emotional connections rather than detracts from the. Also >mfw a normalfag tried to say that sex was the most important part of a romantic relationship near me

2 hours later 7212056 Anonymous
>>7210584 Go to bed, Craig. It's past your bedtime

2 hours later 7212206 Anonymous
>>7211709 not that one. it was a different much more pathetic forum. Is craig from the UK?

2 hours later 7212299 Anonymous
>>7211997 at no point did I describe casual sex, or a situation that could only exist as casual sex. I think you have some kind of blockage preventing you from empathizing with other people. you can't concieve of people having motivations parallel to yours, but still making different decisions. people come from different backgrounds, man. they learn different lessons, and even if they still want the same things you do, they will go about it differently. you have to let go of fear. all this judgement of people you don't know is just lashing out at something you don't understand. the only way to understand someone else's point of view is to experience it with them. you won't learn anything by watching and talking. at some point you have to go out and do it.

2 hours later 7212349 Anonymous
>>7212299 Right so a woman just having sex with someone to "experiment" isn't casual sex now? I may be foolish to not be able to understand others' experiences, but you're equally foolish to not understand that people's actions change who they are. It's not a matter of being afraid for me, it's a matter of knowing what I want. I want a woman who's in it for the long haul, not just a short-term dicking, not a woman who just says that, but one who acts like it.

2 hours later 7212366 Anonymous
or, maybe that is what OP is afraid of? of actual experience? all this talk about how sex ruins women and makes them dirty whores, maybe OP is afraid that the experience will ruin him? sex doesn't completely alter you and destroy the person you used to be. at least, not any more than any other new experience. going to a concert will change how you view recorded music. riding a roller coaster will give you an idea of the rush that people on motorcycles feel. standing out in the middle of deep forest will give you a totally new perspective on living in a city with no trees. but, no one cries about their forest virginity being taken. no one cries when Timmy suddenly loses his love for Rush albums, after seeing how much more amazing they are live. sex is just another experience. its another set of moments that can help you grow and understand yourself, other people, and the world at large. it really is no big deal. if you would just do it, you would completely understand. unless you are some kind of raving pervert, deep under all that paranoia, and when you get the first taste of vagina the seal on your sickness gets just kidding :)

2 hours later 7212397 Anonymous
You guys sure are scared of other people's cocks. Guess you could say you are all fags.

2 hours later 7212406 Anonymous
I've never met a girl who remembers losing her virginity as a nice experience /thread

2 hours later 7212448 Anonymous
>>7212349 every new thing is an "experiment". its all about trying something new and seeing what you learn about it. but, no, I thought I was describing a woman in a committed relationship. most girls go from committed relationship to committed relationship, fully hoping that this will be the one they will keep for the rest of their lives. Women believe all that True Love Soul Mate shit. they really want just one person to love forever. most of them don't want to sleep around, and even the ones that do would quit it in a heart beat if they found the right relationship. some women sit with their legs crossed and wait for Mr Perfect to sail in and sweep them off their feet. most women go out and look for him. and what is wrong with a short term dicking? it doesn't dull the desire for a deep, meaningful relationship. no. serious. it doesn't. I have talked to women. i have delivered short term dickings. I have dated women who have had loads of short term dickings. it is temporary fun, but it is not the same thing as a serious relationship in the same way that reading a Archie Comics is not the same as reading Life of Pi. there is NOTHING wrong with enjoying life. if nothing else, shallow pleasures give you a perspective to judge deeper pleasures by, and to appreciate them more

2 hours later 7212460 Anonymous
>>7212406 this is God's Truth. and if she lost it to another virgin, she really didn't enjoy it

2 hours later 7212471 Anonymous
>>7211661 >Keep in mind that a large number of those virgin marriages are religious, where being a virgin is expected/encouraged, and getting divorced actually carries a negative stigma. (as opposed to "you go, girl!") Maybe, but it's ultimately irrelevant. >"The relationship between virginity status and the risk of divorce remains strong even after differences in family background characteristics are controlled (Models 3 and 6). Surprisingly, once we control for virginity status at marriage, Catholics and fundamentalist Protestants are no different from any other respondents in the probability of divorce." (Kahn, Joan R. and Kathryn A. London. "Premarital Sex and the Risk of Divorce." Journal of Marriage and the Family 53, no. 4 (1991): 845-855.)

2 hours later 7212514 Anonymous
>>7212448 It's funny, you've provided exactly the example I needed to prove my point that normalfags try to say that casual sex doesn't dull emotional bonding. It does, face it, most people don't realize it however. The same way you can't accurately describe your own personality, it's the same with how you approach emotional commitment. The more you try to commit (i.e. through sex), the less potent each commitment becomes. You can justify it anyway you like by saying it's "enjoyment" or that casual sex and long term romance are two different things, isolated from each other, but the simple fact is that you're wrong. That's why people with more pre-marital sex partners divorce more frequently, that's why women who've had casual sex make less desirable marital partners.

2 hours later 7212552 Anonymous
>>7212471 I don't get the importance of this information. the average American's concept of marriage is a pretty recent thing, in Human history. I would bet that the vast majority of "marriages" have not involved virgins, even if you could compare social contracts that closely resembled the Western, religious concept of Marriage. so, if people are born to procreate, and the most important thing to them is love and stability, why would procreating without this contract matter, if the love and stability were present? in fact, if this contract were introduced AFTER procreation, love, and a stable relationship were introduced, and the whole fucking thing failed, wouldn't the problem be with the contract? if all it took to destroy any chance at a deep, meaningful bond between two people was sticking your dick in a girl, I think the world would have burned to the ground hundreds of thousands of years ago

2 hours later 7212581 Anonymous
wait so what I'm getting from this thread is that its ok for girls to not be virgins if its in proper relationships but casual sex is a red flag? Let's say that I've had casual sex with about 10 people and my gf has had 2 relationships but sex with upwards of 30 people, does this make her an inappropriate partner? Because I've had issues with this in the past and was wondering if this is a thing, thought I was crazy

2 hours later 7212599 Anonymous
>>7212581 >my gf has had 2 relationships but sex with upwards of 30 people, does this make her an inappropriate partner? Jesus fucking Christ, what? Get the fuck out of there man. It absolutely does make her an inappropriate partner. You are too though, don't mean to single out women here

3 hours later 7212637 Anonymous
So do all girls lose their virginities to alpha boyfriends when they're teenagers?

3 hours later 7212641 Anonymous
>>7212599 yeah thats what I figured tho, given that I have a shit past too is it worth trying to be with a perfect partner or do I have what I deserve? Also she's 3 years older than me, I was actually the larger slut (fucked 7 people in the 6 months before I met her)

3 hours later 7212654 Anonymous
>>7212641 She'll probably cheat or leave you, but considering your past history you don't deserve better. Just stick it out for a while.

3 hours later 7212669 Anonymous
>>7212514 but... it doesn't. if you want to guarantee a failed marriage, then get married, and then divorce. second marriages have a 30% chance of lasting. and subsequent marriages are laughably doomed. under that absolutely best conditions in the US, marriages fail 50% of the time. and, even with all that, your own statistic pegged the influence of premarital sex to be right in line with any other influence. those marriages still fail at 50%. in other words, it doesn't do jack shit. and it still doesn't change the fact that you are arguing from a position of total ignorance. you have yet to have sex! all you have are statistical reports created by institutions with a vested interest in the results and anecdotal evidence. I can cough up cooked reports and anecdotes, too. except my anecdotes are personal, not cherry-picked second hand. heh heh... your anecdotes are used goods :D ANYWAY... I can dig through my face book and the number of my exes who have changed their last names is better than half. the rest are in long term, loving relationships, including a girl who told me more than once that she used to be an utter whore and couldn't count the number of dicks she has sat on. THAT girl wanted a husband and family just as much as the others, and she is doing pretty well. in fact, I dated her for over a year, and I would swear on a stack of bibles that she is a devoted, faithful woman. (well... she is now, anyway) and, please frame your arguments more narrowly. women who have had more casual sex make them less desireable partners to YOU. you can't speak for the majority of men in the world. And, even if you could, it wouldn't matter, because any given woman isn't interested in the majority of men in the world. they are interested in the small pool of men who are their potential soul mate

3 hours later 7212680 Anonymous
>>7212654 great, thats just great. I was raped by a girl to lose my virginity (faggot amirite?), and struggle to seperate sex from friendship sucks that this is coming bacck to bite me in the ass. Here's hoping we're the exception that proves the rule

3 hours later 7212706 Anonymous
A couple months ago I rejected a model tier woman because of her views of sex. She told me if her boyfriend upset her she'd stop talking to him for days and in the meanwhile have sex with as many men as she could. What the fuck. I only date women who think should be saved for very special relationships.

3 hours later 7212734 Anonymous (1350317252886.jpg 1223x1541 374kB)
>>7212669 >lel you're a virgin and that makes your argument invalid Come on, at least try. You provide anecdotal evidence, but it's no less flawed than anecdotal evidence gathered from any other source. At least I have statistics to say that premarital sex does affect divorce rates (it actually does, it's not a static 50% for everyone). Anyways, how many of those women do you think are honestly gonna stay? How long have any of them been married. It's very easy to say that you want a good husband and to settle down for the rest of your life, but it's much, MUCH harder to actually do it. My guess is that those women will either leave their SO's, or be miserable (along with their spouses). >women who have had more casual sex make them less desireable partners to YOU You're right here, loyalty isn't a desirable trait for everyone, but it is for me. I shouldn't generalize for all men.

3 hours later 7212746 Anonymous
>>7212581 do you love her? is she devoted to you? is she a good girlfriend? lets say you had no idea how many dicks she has sucked. would you be able to tell? would it matter if she took all 30 dicks in one session, or over the period of 10 years? that's only three dicks a year. what if she took those 30 dicks over a short period, say 12 months, and then swore off whoredom forever? would you think less of her if she took those 30 dicks before she met the two long-tem guys, or after? maybe she was a loose whore before she learned what a respectful, loving relationship was. or maybe she dated the guys first, and became so hurt by the breakups that she became an accidental slut, going after guys in the hope of love, but being deceived or let down each time.

3 hours later 7212753 Anonymous
>>7211787 Because your attitude changes as you live and go through experiences and stuff. You typically don't hold the exact same values as a kid that you do as an adult.

3 hours later 7212765 Anonymous
>>7212753 If anyone has sex as a kid, they're bound to have a lot more problems than just infidelity.

3 hours later 7212771 Anonymous
/r9k/ original posts my ass we have 50 of these threads a day

3 hours later 7212783 Anonymous
>>7211030 >tainting multiple qts That is disgusting. If you want to fuck around, you should only fuck sluts. Virgin girls are for marriage only

3 hours later 7212788 Anonymous
I just don't like the idea of the girl I love taking dicks from other men, if that never happened to her I'd feel much happier and I'd love her more than if she wasn't a virgin. Women lose value with each new guy the fuck, everyone knows that.

3 hours later 7212797 Anonymous (that realistic feel.png 592x584 354kB)
>no-gf virgins with 0 experience with women and relationships, talking about marriage and how perfect their waifu is going to be

3 hours later 7212811 Cheshire Cat
>>7212581 Why the fuck does it matter how many people she's had sex with. You're both whores. Enjoy each other.

3 hours later 7212816 Anonymous
>>7212765 Yes, but a lot of the posters in this thread seem to be holding on to the same ideas they had about sex when they were in high school.

3 hours later 7212817 Anonymous
>>7212746 Yes, yes and yes. yes, she's by far the best person I've ever had sex with (I cum roughly 1 in 2 times from sex, due to my issues I've only cum one other time from sex and that is out of ~50+ 'attempts') but she's quite slutty about it. She's incredibly loud knows exactly how to get me in the mood, and has many different positions and 'techniques' I guess. The problem is when we're having really good sex I get random thoughts of her having to go through a lot of practice in that same bed to learn all this. I know she lost her vs at like 17, then fucked like 2 or 3 guys till her first relationship. Dated him for 2 years broke up and in her own words 'realised that sex is fun and not serious', more disturbingly she gets frustrated about girls I used to sleep with ('exes can't be friends' 'I don't like that your best friend had a crush on and tried to sleep with you') yet she told me that she mostly only had sex with her male friends (of which she has a lot). She had a random pickup once... I honestly love her but it constantly preys on my mind and this thread really doesn't help. i guess its hard to get over how much of a slut my gf used to be.

3 hours later 7212834 Anonymous
>>7212817 She's throwing up more red flags than a communist party rally.

3 hours later 7212843 Anonymous
>>7211263 >Despite what you guys want to believe, losing your virginity actually does change you Then why do I want nothing more than to fuck a qt gf? >. Being her first could potentially make her dependent, this is good >she may start thinking about everything she's missed out on by only being with you. Bullshit. Before the 60's people happily committed and fucked one person their entire life >A girl who has sexual experience, on the other hand, is much more matured in her attitudes toward sex Sex can easily be learned. >If she is a nympho slut who has sex compulsively, this will be apparent. Nympho sluts are not virgins, so going for virgins would avoid them >>7211275 go marry a cuckold fetishist. There are tons on /soc/

3 hours later 7212853 Anonymous
>>7211335 >I was arguing against the Craig mentality that if a woman isn't a virgin, she must be a dirty slut Actually, we believe women who only have sex with their husbands to not be sluts.

3 hours later 7212860 Anonymous
>>7212834 yeah I'm realising that, but we spend all our time together, she's constantly talking to me. When we go out she actively acts like a complete bitch to guys trying to flirt with her. A) She literally has no time to cheat on me, her spare time is all spent with me B) She is more devoted than any girl I've ever seen I really hope she's an exception.

3 hours later 7212866 Anonymous
>>7211335 >I was arguing against the Craig mentality that if a woman isn't a virgin, she must be a dirty slut Actually, we believe women who only have sex with their husbands to not be sluts. >>7211346 how can you post in a thread knowing that alpha anons have posted their text all over them?

3 hours later 7212877 Anonymous
>>7212853 So a woman has to be married to be considered pure now? You need meaningless legal vows to feel comfortable and trust a woman?

3 hours later 7212883 Anonymous
>>7212581 >its ok for girls to not be virgins if its in proper relationships but casual sex is a red flag? Yes. >my gf has had 2 relationships but sex with upwards of 30 people Big red flag.

3 hours later 7212884 Anonymous
>>7211360 Jealousy is a virtue. There is a reason why civilized societies force women to stay at home and wear burqas when they go outside. As long as you are alpha, you can be as domineering as you want, and women will love it

3 hours later 7212890 Anonymous
>>7212843 >Before the 60's people happily committed and fucked one person their entire life No they didn't. You just didn't hear about it as much because it was a social taboo. It was all kept under wraps to preserve reputation. You think the sexual revolution came out of nothing?

3 hours later 7212895 Anonymous
>>7212843 >Sex can easily be learned. Except he wasn't talking about learning sex. He was talking about *attitudes* toward sex. Attitude is a completely different thing, anon. It's part of this thing called 'personality'. Women have them just like you.

3 hours later 7212912 Anonymous
>>7212884 >Jealousy is a virtue. It has never been a virtue. Green does not look good on anyone.

3 hours later 7212921 Anonymous
>>7212734 loyalty to whom? to a person they have never met? lets say a girl marries a virgin and is married for 7 years. Her husband, however, is cruel and unloving. if she lives in a Western country, she can get a divorce. she can probably get a Faultless divorce, which involves no alimony or any other financial obligation. then what? she has had sex. probably more than once. if she seriously believed that he was a great guy, she probably had sex with him a lot. is this woman now ruined and can never trusted? is she disloyal to every man she will ever meet, no matter how much she desires love and affection? I can spin possible scenarios for days, because I am a writer, and that is what I do. We could both cough up statistics and stories for almost as long. Statistics only define rates of correlation (how likely two things are to occur at the same time) they say absolutely nothing about why that correlations exists. the only way to end this is for YOU to go out and get more experience. that is a valid argument. Parents can better protect their children when they have experience with whatever the child is facing. craftsmen make better products when they have created products in the past. Experience is part and parcel of learning. it is the difference between wisdom and skill and blank ignorance. when the subject in debate is the effects of experience, they only solution to that debate is EXPERIENCE. You don't know. you don't know how much you don't know. you don't know WHAT you don't know, and you don't know exactly what any of that is important. hundreds of millions of people are trying and making mistakes and learning and becoming better, every day, while you are sitting there, shaking your fist at them for even trying. Statistics can be made to lie. Anecdotes tell only a narrow slice of experiences and do so inaccurately. use your own eyes. er... your own dick.

3 hours later 7212933 Anonymous
>>7212843 >Then why do I want nothing more than to fuck a qt gf? Because that's a normal thing to want? >Bullshit. Before the 60's people happily committed and fucked one person their entire life Real life was not a black and white sitcom before the 1960's. People didn't get divorced because it was socially frowned upon, but that's pretty much it. You think teenagers haven't always been sleeping together and that no one ever cheated on their spouse before the 60's? >Sex can easily be learned. I mean emotionally maturity in how you deal with it. There are emotional responses tied to sex. >Nympho sluts are not virgins, so going for virgins would avoid them It was a hypothetical assuming you're a normal modern guy looking for a girlfriend, I was comparing sluts to women who just sleep with their boyfriends and pointing out that not everyone who has sex before marriage is shooting their wad on every person they meet.

3 hours later 7212941 Anonymous
>>7212883 So what is really a red flag? That I shouldn't be surprised if the relationship goes to shit? I figure at worst if she fucks me around, from my past experiences I'll just go and fuck her friends? Idk, I really don't want to ruin this. She makes me so happy

3 hours later 7212950 Anonymous
>>7212366 >all this talk about how sex ruins women and makes them dirty whores, maybe OP is afraid that the experience will ruin him? It is not the experience (all though a girl who gives god tier sex is definitely suspect). Its the fact that such girls have little inhibitions on their sexuality, and have no qualms fucking any guy they find attractive on a whim. >sex is just another experience. >it really is no big deal this is what degenerates actually believe.

3 hours later 7212968 Anonymous
>>7212734 any human being on earth who has more than one sexual partner will have a better chance at STDs. that is fucking retarded. how else do you get STDs? and who is to say that fucking makes you depresssed? maybe you suck so much dick BECAUSE you are depressed and sucking dick cheers you up. actually, a lot of girls with bipolar are huge sluts. they get manic and want lots of sex. and I bet any one who has fuck 21 people before marriage would be shit at committing. also, lol at chicks who fuck 15 guys have a better chance than chicks who only fucked 10

3 hours later 7212978 Anonymous
>>7212921 >she can probably get a Faultless divorce, which involves no alimony or any other financial obligation. Like a woman in the west would do that, but I'll indulge you. >is this woman now ruined and can never trusted? By saying this you've clearly shown that you haven't read any of my posts and must have largely ignored the posts of this thread. No, a woman simply having sex does not necessarily devalue her as a partner. A woman having sex without great meaning, however, is worth less as a long term partner. That's what I've been saying all along. >Statistics only define rates of correlation Typical argument against the posted stats. The obvious answer is that it doesn't matter the causation, because it doesn't matter why the trend exists, only that it does, and the existence of the trend is proved by correlation. >the only way to end this is for YOU to go out and get more experience. >lel you're a virgin so your argument is moot Do you seriously not have anything better than this? >it is the difference between wisdom and skill and blank ignorance Being in a committed relationship isn't a matter of experience, it's a matter of will. Wanting it above having been fucking people. That's the point. The rest of your point is just >lel you're a virgin so your argument doesn't matter So I'm not going to respond.

3 hours later 7212987 Anonymous
Well for one, I'd never be with a woman who values herself so littly she would pit it in her mouth or allow herself to be branded on the face with semen; secondly, I myself have deeply loved another and wouldn't find it so bothersome if a woman has loved another man. If she's actually choosing me, I've won.

3 hours later 7212999 Anonymous
>>7212581 >fucked 30 guys, 28 in casual encounters unless you are into cuckolding, that is a big red flag Its okay for you to fuck around, since you are a guy, and girls love mansluts.

3 hours later 7213001 Anonymous
I don't even know why I respond seriously to these threads when all I really need to say is, "That girl you like has been defaced by at least 10 different guys, one of them might have been me, ha ha ha."

3 hours later 7213025 Anonymous
>>7212746 >that's only three dicks a year >only There was a time, when we were actually civilized, in which if a girl fucked three guys in her entire life, she would likely be considered a slut

3 hours later 7213035 Anonymous
>>7212817 I dunno... she sounds like decent girl... I mean, as much as you can expect for a person who separates sex from emotions. but, that's not a bad thing. she is a dirty whore, but she is YOUR dirty whore. you two have a great sex life, and you say you are both in love and faithful to each other. just go with it. she had to learn all that crazy shit somewhere. now all that crazy shit is focused on making you happy. if she is pissy about you hanging out with exes, that is standard girl BS. if she used to be a slut, she probably suspects other women of being sluts and doesn't want to lose you to them. don't worry about it, man.

3 hours later 7213057 Anonymous
>>7213035 Cheers bro, I hope so.

3 hours later 7213075 Anonymous
I like how this whole cum on her face thing started as a joke trying to make virgins feel bad and it just mushroomed into this shit about marriage. /r9k/ never change.

3 hours later 7213099 Anonymous
>>7210584 because she gave me her butt

3 hours later 7213125 Anonymous
>>7213025 >actually civilized name one. I guarantee you, that the only ones saving themselves for marriage, before the US in the 1800s, were the noble classes. common people fucked like rabbits. and before that, the noble classes pretended to be virtuous and clean, and fucked like rabbits behind closed doors

3 hours later 7213176 Anonymous
>>7213125 This is absolutely untrue, watch the films from before. Although you liberals like to excessively pretend all the films of the past are idealizations, you utterly fail to recognize that all art fundamentally reflects society in a certain time and place. The fact that the films from before--even films in the pre-code era portray women highly conscious of virtue and that it's such a huge and dirty deal if a woman has had pre-marital sex--all of this suggests that even the common people wanted to remain pure. And this mentality continues even into today. For women who actually have GOOD AND LOVING PARENTS, they grow up and have rather socially conservative mindsets. Indeed, divorced from any dogmatic faiths or creeds, they independently value themselves, and believe marriage to be the proper place wherein to have sex. Your claim is utterly wrong: the view of humanity as always being worthless degenerates simply does not follow with what both past and present society has produced.

3 hours later 7213212 Anonymous
Because your putting way too much emphasis on her first. WHo fucking cares. Sex isn't the most important part of a relationship, it's not even close

3 hours later 7213218 Anonymous
I won't. I will only date a virgin. Non-virgin women can fuck RIGHT off

3 hours later 7213234 Anonymous
>>7213212 >WIDF detected fuck off whore you can't trick me no decent man will ever want your used leather wallet vagina

3 hours later 7213235 Anonymous
>>7213218 >i will die alone, fat with my virginity intact

3 hours later 7213246 Anonymous
>>7212877 Marriage is a lifelong commitment not just of monogamy, but of also starting a family. You cant consider a gf part of your family the same way you can with a wife

3 hours later 7213253 Anonymous
>>7213234 Paranoidbro detected. Just well balanced and not hung up on something so fucking irrelevant

3 hours later 7213272 Anonymous
>>7213218 Wow, I bet you just have to fight off all the women that mob you when you step outside Wait, that implies you go outside. My bad.

3 hours later 7213314 Anonymous
All these insecure betas. So what if she's had sex with other guys. So what? I've had sex with other women, and girls don't seem to hold it against me.

4 hours later 7213355 Anonymous
>>7212890 >It was all kept under wraps to preserve reputation. Then why did every girl except prostitutes marry as virgins? >>7212895 Are you saying that sluts have personalities but virgins dont? >>7212912 Yes it is a virtue. Civilization cannot exist without property >>7212933 >Because that's a normal thing to want? Not according to normalfags, who say we are not entitled to sex, and should masturbate instead, because we dont deserve shit. > People didn't get divorced because it was socially frowned upon This is good. It prevents women from acting on their hypergamy > People didn't get divorced because it was socially frowned upon Exactly, which is why virginity is valuable in women >not everyone who has sex before marriage is shooting their wad on every person they meet. Not in the 21st century. Casual sex is now the norm >>7213125 >common people fucked like rabbits calling bullshit on that one. The Middle East disproves this >>7213235 >implying there are not cuckold fetishists who are incel

4 hours later 7213374 Anonymous
>>7213272 >if you dont want to marry a slut you must be a basement dweller this is what degenerates actually believe

4 hours later 7213383 Anonymous
>>7213314 >I've had sex with other women, and girls don't seem to hold it against me. Its okay for guys to fuck around. Girls on the other hand should only have sex with their husbands. Girls naturally are attracted to promiscuous women

4 hours later 7213409 Anonymous
>>7213383 girls are naturally lesbians eh? r9k has reached a new level tonight.

4 hours later 7213429 Anonymous
>her first alpha high school boyfriend who took away her innocence and showed her the amazing new world of sex? i don't know where you get this from, first times are almost always a horrible experience

4 hours later 7213449 Anonymous
In the grand scheme of things. Its who has who last. Not first. Sure you may not be her first ride. but, you could be the one she perfects herself with.

4 hours later 7213454 Anonymous
>>7213374 plenty of people don't want to marry sluts. they just aren't paranoid about it. if you are paranoid about it, you are a basement dweller

4 hours later 7213467 Anonymous
>>7213429 what a virgin thinks >I never experienced it, so it must've been awesome.

4 hours later 7213472 Anonymous
>>7213409 I meant promiscuous men. >>7213429 Protip: women LOVE painful sex

4 hours later 7213491 Anonymous
>>7213383 >Its okay for guys to fuck around. >Girls should only have sex with their husbands Simply incredible. Why doesn't /r9k/ move to the middle east? It seems like the perfect place for you guys.

4 hours later 7213505 Anonymous
>>7213355 no normalfag has ever said your not entitled to anything you self defeating idiot.

4 hours later 7213522 Anonymous
>>7213472 >Women love rough sex in porn so it must be true

4 hours later 7213523 Anonymous (sr23_015-f2.png 698x958 162kB)
>>7212890 >>7213125 ITT: Lies leftists tell themselves to protect their fragile worldview. >n-no, society was always this degenerate, you just watch too much Leave It to Beaver

4 hours later 7213527 Anonymous
>>7213246 And you can't determine who's worthy of marriage until you've known them long enough, established that you're both compatible, as well as love, trust, and respect each other. Part of this process of determination is also having sex. Sex is not *all* of a relationship, but to say it isn't a big part is ridiculous. If you're not compatible sexually, then it's better to know before you get married then afterwards. Sex is just another subset of categories that you have to find fits for you and your partner. You don't throw yourself into a lifelong commitment all willy nilly, anon. That shit's for life. Make sure it counts.

4 hours later 7213601 Anonymous
>>7213355 >Then why did every girl except prostitutes marry as virgins? Really? *Every* girl married as a virgin? And you have undeniable proof of this? People went around checking out girl's hymens to ensure they were intact before a ring was put on their finger? I think you're being silly. >Are you saying that sluts have personalities but virgins dont? No, I'm saying attitude is a part of personality. >Yes it is a virtue. Jealousy has never been a virtue. >Virtue >noun >moral excellence; goodness; righteousness. Jealousy has always been lauded as a negative emotion caused by insecurity or envy. >Civilization cannot exist without property wtf r u on

4 hours later 7213614 Anonymous
>>7213523 >Yeah, we did a survey! That makes everything we found in the survey undeniably true! >People wouldn't LIE when they're asked questions, would they?

4 hours later 7213618 Anonymous
>>7213523 Did you miss the whole social stigma thing? They aren't going to report that they were having sex.

4 hours later 7213654 Anonymous
>>7213176 films are works of fantasy. they are not documentaries that record fact. every story told by every culture on earth takes fact, and burnishes it to match some enshrined cultural ideal. I am disappointed you even brought this up. and anyway, who says that premarital sex makes a person a worth degenerate? My parents have been married for 34 years, and they both had premarital sex. I know, because I am 35. my younger brother and sister are both married and both were utter sluts before marriage. my sister was with her man for almost a decade before he convinced her to marry him. they have a house, two cars, a zoo of pets, and two children. My brother's wife has been chasing him since high school. they have been with other people, but she eventually quit the other guys and just focused on him. they dated for several years, and just got married last year. if they break up, it won't be because they have some kind of slut mentality. sex doesn't make someone less desireable. not to most people, anyway... its the other ingredients that ruin the soup. things like jealously, selfishness, inability to compromise, wildly divergent goals and ideals. if a woman has had sex before marriage, it probably gave her a view of what she really wanted in a relationship, and when her husband didn't measure up, she left him. or, more likely, being in relaltionships and going through breakups taught those people how to be emotionally self-sufficient and to value themselves and their happiness above some dead ideal from an era that only existed in 1940's Hollywood movies. they learned that there is life before and after the relationship, so when the marriage went sour, they were empowered enough to dissolve it. I guarantee you any woman with more than 4 sexual partners probably has her own job and her own money, making her quicker to divorce than a woman who knows she will be destitute if she leaves her husband.

4 hours later 7213656 Anonymous
>>7213523 That's cause back in those days, they got married straight out of high school

4 hours later 7213700 Anonymous
>>7213656 This. Pretty much sums up why most women aren't virgins when they marry. All for it.Fuck getting married

4 hours later 7213720 Anonymous
>>7213523 so... Statisticians have noticed that when popsicle sales go up, gun violence goes up. also, muggings and burglary becomes more common. OMG! IS THERE A CHEMICAL IN POPSICLES MAKING PEOPLE VIOLENT CRIMINAL? no. the cause is Summertime. Popsicles only sell well in the summer. Criminals come out more in the summer because standing around waiting for someone to mug in the winter fucking sucks. correlation=/= causation statistics only describe correlation

4 hours later 7213734 Anonymous (1366243332057.jpg 336x346 23kB)
>>7213614 >>7213618 >damage control Why don't you prove it, then? Surely between the two of you someone can come up with something that supports your version of history. As it stands right now, that chart is far more than the fuck all you've provided to support your claims.

4 hours later 7213744 Anonymous
>>7213720 Yes, and low income neighborhoods are correlated with high crime areas. Does that mean that it's totally fine to live in poor neighborhoods because correlation != causaition, right? So would you live in a dirt poor neighborhood and walk around at night?

4 hours later 7213752 Anonymous
>>7213654 What I am saying, and which you have ignored, is that films and all art fundamentally is the work of a specific culture at a specific period of time. If the films being produced by that culture were so contradictory to their mores, the people would actually find them ridiculous, and they wouldn't be made. The market actually caters to what the people want to see, and those gritty morality tales of the pre-Code era, when there was basically no censorship, EXTREMELY indicates what the people of that time were thinking, and, indeed, it was a massive thing if a woman had pre-marital sex. Compare that with today. We know that these standards aren't really in place anymore, and the market has adjusted. The films and shows we see now actively promote all sorts of degeneracy, e.g. race mixing, promiscuity, and to a certain extent, pre-marital childbirth. That's because it's what our culture actually wants to see. Now compare the two: what is the difference between the films of now and the films of then? The society itself: the people of before were superior, and had more respectable mores. "Liberallism is the morality of societal collapse."

4 hours later 7213760 Anonymous (1271160294046.jpg 554x439 66kB)
Being a girls first is like using a master-ball on Mewtwo, She'll have no chance of leaving unless you personally set her free. But being with a non-virgin is like using a regular Pokeball on Mewtwo, You can try as many times as you want but you'll never be able to catch her for keeps.

4 hours later 7213780 Anonymous
>>7213720 >statistics only describe correlation wrong, statistics let you know if some relationship is connected or due to chance. Learn more.

4 hours later 7213804 Anonymous
>>7213780 Well that's what correlation is. The problem is that retards believe correlation means nothing.

4 hours later 7213838 Anonymous
>>7213654 the fact of the matter is this, people do things for a million different reasons, and they may do the exact same thing for a million different reasons. to narrow the sum total of human experience to one factor isn't just incorrect. its silly. You are afraid of something, Anon. either your mind is disturbed, or your heart is broken, and you hate women for reasons they did not commit. you dig up all these charts and graphs and collect all these stories to convince yourself that the problem is out there, when it is right inside your own skull with you. a woman, just like a man, has two eyes on the front of her head. she knows whose dick she is sucking, and when she decides that she does not want that man, she will not touch him. women decide when they want to be faithful, and pointing to their history, without any insight or wisdom, tells you nothing about the present. People change. they learn and they change. or maybe they never change, because they had been working toward the same goal, all along. you cannot reduce a human being down to a single factor. you cannot determine their destiny by looking at a single choice. or even a stream of choices. you have to look at the entire person, the sum of all of their choices, ever, and every thing that was done to them, for them, and with them. anything else is just wrong. factually, and morally

4 hours later 7213841 Anonymous
>>7213720 >hey guys, I'm taking Statistics 101, look how smart I am! Nobody even mentioned causation, you fucking moron. Take your mental masturbation somewhere else.

4 hours later 7213844 Anonymous (1361459400796.png 324x328 149kB)
>>7213760 Also, I think the reason it's easy to keep girls who's virginity you've taken, Is because they haven't had enough partners to compare you against. So even if you're no good at sex, They may not realize. Whereas an experienced nympho who's used to having multiple orgasms each time she fucks, Will never settle for someone inexperienced.

4 hours later 7213889 Anonymous
>>7213744 the difference is More Likely, as opposed to Less Likely. Rich people shoot each other all the time. poor people live in peace, all the time. More Likely, or Less Likely, not Guaranteed and Impossible this a weak argument, I admit, but it is true. and I think we are debating HOW MUCH more likely a given thing is. I think it is a lot less than you think

4 hours later 7213902 Anonymous
>>7213760 >>7213844 >I will only marry the finest untouched maiden! Until then, I await in my virginity lair.

4 hours later 7213906 Anonymous
ITT: Virgins think sex is only for grown ups and they are still little manchildren trapped in an adult's body; thus they project insecurities due to perceived mental age difference. Sex is one of the biggest steps in life, according to r9k, and they don't like anyone getting ahead of them, as is obvious by the extremely bitter nature of people around here.

4 hours later 7213919 Anonymous
>>7213491 Middle Eastern women are becoming increasingly sluttier. 70% of Moroccan women are not virgins by the time they are married. Turkey, Morocco and Bangaladesh are among the most promiscuous nations in the world. Muslims give way too much freedom to their women. >>7213522 Actually, guys who fuck around notice that girls are into rough sex. http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/0 6/17/why-am-i-having-such-a-hard-ti me-accepting-this/

4 hours later 7213926 Anonymous
>>7213889 Yes, and a woman who has had less pre-marital sexual partners is LESS likely to divorce you or be unhappy. That has been proven already. So why is such a bad thing to go for women who have had less sexual partners?

4 hours later 7213948 Anonymous
>>7213919 I've fucked 23 girls and only one liked it rough. I just don't think it's that common

4 hours later 7213960 Anonymous (1314135850910.jpg 482x404 57kB)
>>7213902 Only I'm not, But believe what you want, Cause i don't care what assumptions you conjure up in that thing you call a brain.

4 hours later 7213967 Anonymous
>>7213919 Sorry, I should have specified. Saudi Arabia.

4 hours later 7213971 Anonymous (1363452795299.jpg 811x680 99kB)
>>7213838 >You are afraid of something, Anon. either your mind is disturbed, or your heart is broken, and you hate women for reasons they did not commit. you dig up all these charts and graphs and collect all these stories to convince yourself that the problem is out there, when it is right inside your own skull with you. >this guy is disagreeing with me, and he has the nerve to provide statistics in support of his position! >oh shit, what do I do now? >I know! I'll accuse him of hating women!

4 hours later 7213990 Anonymous
>>7213889 not who you are replying to, but are you fucking retarded? poor people do not live in peace all the time and wealthier people don't shoot people because they have more to lose. fuck, you are an idiot.

4 hours later 7214019 Anonymous
>>7213960 Making Pokemon comparisons to (attempt) to understand sex and its impact on relationships, and they're not even correct. Taking a girls virginity is not going to magically make her yours forever. She could become curious as to what other men have to offer, now that's she's tasted a sample. Also, why couldn't a non-virgin settle down and stick with you?

4 hours later 7214059 Anonymous
>>7213505 They say this all the time, especially on /r9k/. They say we should not complain about having no gf, since we are not entitled to women's bodies, and that sex is not a need. >>7213527 In a civilized society, women would be forced to be marriage material from the get go. >>7213601 >*Every* girl married as a virgin? I would like to think hot sluts dont exist in civilized societies. >People went around checking out girl's hymens to ensure they were intact before a ring was put on their finger? Some places they would kill a girl if she did not bleed when she first fucks her husband. >Jealousy has always been lauded as a negative emotion caused by insecurity or envy. What society considered a virtue back then is completely different than what is considered virtue now. Back then, we had master morality, which forced men to be aggressive, protective, and strong. >wtf r u on Simple economics. If you own something, you have an incentive to maintain it and make sure it is profitable to you. >>7213906 Protip: there are normalfags who demand virgins for commitment. They are called alphas

4 hours later 7214102 Anonymous
>>7213926 because its not the partners that matters. that is just a metric. what is important is why and how faithful the woman is in her current relationship. and anyway, even if you just say "less is better" that's fine. I agree that its a little suspicious for a person to fuck 50 guys, or girls, before they are old enough to drink. its the weirdos who think that only a woman with no experience at all is the only acceptable answer that I disagree with

5 hours later 7214135 Anonymous
If I ever get married, and especially; decide to have kids, my wife would have to have slept with no more than 2 other men. I'm sorry, but I don't fuck around and I don't wanted a tainted woman who has either. (IF, I was fucking around, I would have no problem with a wife who did the same). I met a girl a while back, who said she was a virgin. So we dated for a while and all was good, until I found out she had anal sex with her ex boyfriend. Dumped her the minute I found out. Dirty whore.

5 hours later 7214137 Anonymous
>>7214102 That post is literally exactly what I've been saying this entire fucking thread. Why you people don't get it by now is beyond me. A woman's partners don't matter as much as her mindset, but fucking dozens of people does make her worse as a long term partner. So yea, using partners as a metric isn't really a bad thing, because regardless of mindset, having more partners is a bad thing for long term commitment..

5 hours later 7214174 Anonymous
>>7214059 >Protip: there are normalfags who demand virgins for commitment. They are called alphas Okay, now how many of those "alphas" are here on r9k? You know, the ones that are actually slaying pussy on a regular basis? You can't deflect the problem like that. I can understand why we want virgin wives; because the idea of purity is not only traditional, but exists on the instinctual level as well. But why is it unreasonable to be with a woman who's only had sex in serious relationships? That is pretty much pure by today's standards. It's just unreasonable to expect 10/10 qtpi wives when you're a basement dwelling loser that probably doesn't even have a job.

5 hours later 7214242 Anonymous (1339763229641.jpg 356x374 88kB)
>>7214019 >Taking a girls virginity is not going to magically make her yours forever >Why couldn't a non-virgin settle down and stick with you? I never guaranteed it would, It's just MORE LIKELY for a virgin to stick with you for a long duration after sex, At least noticeably longer than a nympho/non-virgin with 20 potential fuckbuddies in her phone would. Virgins are more likely to stick around after sex, Because of multiple factors. The first being that most inexperienced girls have the fairytale-fantasy of living happily ever after with the person they 'Give themselves' to. Secondly, You acquire information to hold against her that nobodies ever had, Which gives her an incentive to compromise more often for the sake of the relationship. (Maybe It's just the country i live in, But women over here are incapable of compromising for the greater good of relationships. It's not likely to happen unless you have an ace in the hole)

5 hours later 7214277 Anonymous
I suppose the hope would be that he was really bad and that because the standard was set very low any performance you give would be considered at least satisfactory. That and I'm obsessive and competitive so either way I'm aiming to "out-do" him (no pun intended).

5 hours later 7214306 Anonymous
>mfw i challenged myself to get to marriage a virgin >mfw i have no face I guess that my ideals are... i honestly don't knoe how to describe it. And i also wanna see if that's even possible, since guys ten times uglier than me get to dick someone regularly.

5 hours later 7214316 Anonymous
>>7213948 >I've fucked 23 girls and only one liked it rough. I just don't think it's that common Most girls are not open about it >>7213967 Just how slut free is Saudi Arabia

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