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2013-03-09 07:23 6000737 Anonymous Another reminder how /r9k/ doesn't know jack shit about relationships (RadWiki-Condense-Facts-and-Information-to-Knowledge.png 1200x848 41kB)
http://www.statisticbrain.com/infid elity-statistics/ >Percent of men who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 57% >Percent of women who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 54% >Percent of married men who have strayed at least once during their married lives: 22% >Percent of married women who have strayed at least once during their married lives: 14% >Percent of men who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught: 74% >Percent of women who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught: 68% Oh but wait, /r9k/ told me that women are the overwhelming cheating/lying whores that go around breaking poor little innocent male hearts. C-could it be that this board is actually full of shit and that both men and women are fairly the same in terms of fucking over their partners? In fact men slightly MORE so?

1 min later 6000758 Anonymous
>Percent of men who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught: 74% >Percent of women who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught: 68% Holy FUCK, how depressing. If this is what married life leads to, what's the point in even trying.

1 min later 6000763 Anonymous (1357261549449.gif 200x150 488kB)
>Percent of women who admit Comeback when you'll have real stats.

2 min later 6000776 Anonymous
>admit Sounds like Men tell the truth more often

4 min later 6000803 Anonymous
>>6000763 are women more likely than men to lie on an anonymous survey? do you have stats for this?

5 min later 6000817 Anonymous
>>6000763 >I can't defend this boards trolling assumptions about women, so I'll trash statistics and studies instead. Try again, champ.

6 min later 6000831 Anonymous
>>6000817 it's not that illogical to assume women will lie (to themselves) to protect their social status even in an anonymous survey. men too, but to a lesser extend.

8 min later 6000849 Anonymous
>>6000803 Women rationalize to not assume the guilt and men brag about their sexual life.

9 min later 6000859 Anonymous
>>6000803 Also asking women "do you lie on surveys?" doesn't make any sense as a question.

9 min later 6000860 eeyore
>>6000803 Women's entire gimmick is lying and manipulation.

9 min later 6000861 Anonymous
>>6000758 It is sad. Just goes to show instead of finger pointing at one gender or the other in terms of shit relationships we should all be looking at the bigger picture.

10 min later 6000866 Anonymous (1355293261203.jpg 278x259 13kB)
>more than 50% of both genders admit to it >more than 60% of both genders would do it if they could Shut in master race.

10 min later 6000874 Anonymous
The numbers for both sexes are disgustingly high. Does anyone have any fucking decency anymore? Why is the world so full of degenerates and hedonists?

11 min later 6000885 Anonymous
>>6000831 >>6000849 >>6000859 >>6000860 How do you sacks of shit actually function in life? The level of cognitive dissonance you all display is so overwhelming that you make modern day Flat Earther's look like rational people. You're so encrusted in your semen chairs in the basements of your souls that literally nothing in the universe could change your cemented ignorance.

12 min later 6000898 Anonymous
>>6000803 Women are more likely to commit mental gymnastics whereby they consider their actions "not really cheating". You see having a moral compass is a hindrance to a woman so they've adapted to be able to circumvent it with ease, since their only weapons in this world are deceit , subterfuge and exploiting men. This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning: hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning. Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one. To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights.

13 min later 6000905 Anonymous
>>6000758 i don't see why monogamy has to be 100% the way i see it, you can have a little fun on the side as long as you remain overall committed to your partner. i've been watching house of cards on netflix and i admire the open relationship between frank and claire. it's cold in some ways but they're definitely a team for life.

14 min later 6000924 Anonymous
>>6000874 It's always been this way in the West Looks like you're still locked in the shame spiral of Christianity

15 min later 6000939 Anonymous
>>6000874 Marriage is a broken institution. It's original purpose was to be a contract to join families and provide social and economic stability. Romance and other notions played no real role in the original foundations. Now we've got people who are practically kids in lust thinking their hot and heavy sex when they're 20 is the basis for a 60 year relationship. So when the "magic" fades they find themselves miserable and fantasizing about an out.

15 min later 6000943 Anonymous
>>6000885 >You're so encrusted in your semen chairs in the basements of your souls this is the best phrase i read on 4chan today

16 min later 6000945 Anonymous
Those statistics just go to invalidate the claim that is the minority that are untrustworthy. With over 50% of married men and women having betrayed their partners, and with 70% stating they would do so if they would not be caught, I am inclined to believe that it is in fact the majority of people that are not trustworthy.

16 min later 6000958 Anonymous (crusaders.jpg 250x358 32kB)
>>6000924 Well then we'll just have to kill off all of these degenerate scum.

17 min later 6000964 Anonymous
>>6000885 If you want to present valid statistical evidence showing that a decent sized sample of women cheated more often than a decent sized sample of men then go ahead. But don't present studies where where women are expected to answer straight-forwardly when they are practiced in justifying any behaviour and rationalising away any responsibility on their part. "Oh yeah I gave some guy a blowjob while I was engaged but we had just had a fight that night so it was like we were on a break" "but it doesn't count because I was being emotionaly neglected" "But I was drunk and we only made out so it doesn't count"

19 min later 6000981 Anonymous
>>6000898 Haha, oh wow. I bet you actually believe that tripe was something intelligent. News flash: Women are human, men are human. We're animals with sex drives and desires and faults and good points. A gash between the legs and some sacks of fat/milk ducts on their chest don't make them a different species. You spend WAY too much fucking time on this board.

19 min later 6000988 Anonymous
>>6000905 You're free to pursue a degenerate lifestyle devoid of real physical and emotional intimacy if you want to But on't expect me to have anything but contempt and disgust for you or anyone else who does so.

21 min later 6001007 Anonymous (1353984452776.jpg 1342x1020 744kB)
>>6000988 No, anon, we must remove the degenerates if we're to have a right and just society once more.

22 min later 6001029 Anonymous
>>6000981 So you believe that there are no mean differences between the sexes? That oestrogen and testosterone don't have any effect on behaviour? That different selection pressures didn't act on men and women? Talking to people like you is like talking to creationists.

23 min later 6001034 Anonymous
>>6000737 THIS WEBSITE SAYS SO IT MUST BE TRUE THIS IS THE ONLY SOURCE ON EARTH TO CONSIDER IM RIGHT IM RIGHT IM RIGHTTTTTTT. End yourself.

24 min later 6001045 Anonymous
>>6000737 >believing anything on 4chan >2013 >ISHYDDT

24 min later 6001047 Anonymous
>>6000964 >I don't like the results, therefore they're wrong. It must be comforting to live in such a wonderful little bubble where anything that dares to challenge your worldview just goes away in a little poof of smoke. Again, pony up something besides /r9k/ troll facts or shut the fuck up.

24 min later 6001060 Anonymous
>admit to >who say what about those that lie? OP cannot into disregard face value if I told you I was a magic sky fairy will you blow me

26 min later 6001077 Anonymous
>>6001034 >mocks findings from peer-reviewed academic journal >mindlessly accepts speculative biased bullshit from MRA blogs and bitter nerd boards

26 min later 6001080 Anonymous
>>6001007 I would like that. But society as a whole is lost. The best one can do is try to seek the company of the few likeminded people who still possess moral fibre even in this day and age. I wish Germany had won world war 2. Nothing would stop the eventual moral degredation sue to capitalism, but certainly the wanton degeneracy being actively spread by jews would have been slowed to a minimum. At least us and our children could have grown up in a just, healthy society.

27 min later 6001088 Anonymous
>>6001029 Differences =/= One gender is entirely made up of conniving, scheming, amoral, manipulative twats. The reality is far less grand and sinister.

28 min later 6001100 Anonymous
Women would lie to make themselves feel better and men have better reasons for cheating.

28 min later 6001101 Anonymous
>>6001080 time for you to get back to /pol/ you fucking weirdo

28 min later 6001104 Anonymous
>>6001080 There's still hope. So long as there are people out there like you and I, there is still hope.

30 min later 6001131 Anonymous
>>6001047 actually my stance is >studies based on self-percetion surveys only inform about self-perception, not reality.

33 min later 6001154 Anonymous
>Percent of men who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 57% >Percent of women who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 54% The percentage of women who would lie on a survey and fail to acknowledge times that they had cheated is almost certainly more than 3 percentage points larger than the percentage of men who would do the same thing. >women >not constantly performing mental gymnastics to absolve themselves of responsibility or accountability

34 min later 6001159 Anonymous
>>6001131 Except you've done nothing to prove to me that there's a gender gap in terms of perceiving of what constitutes cheating. "Well I saw some threads here the other day..." does not constitute proof. Hell the most famous effort at muddling the facts about infidelity come from a man (Bill Clinton).

37 min later 6001186 Anonymous
I think what needs clarification with these polls are things like what people consider to be infidelity and affairs -- or what definition the study was operating under.

39 min later 6001196 Anonymous
>>6001154 "almost certainly"? this based on what? are there any studies showing that women are more likely to lie in order to protect their self-image?

42 min later 6001227 Anonymous
>>6001159 I haven't because I am not a full-time social scientist. In my experience women are much more liable to raionalise their crimes in their head to absolve themselves of responsibility, and to put it another way men are mroe liekly to own up and admit their crimes to themselves and others than women. It's probably both due to neoteny observed in human females http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoten y and due to the greater sense of duty, honor, accountability and other mindsets in men that lead to self-sacrificing behaviour which arose due to the greater reproductive importance of women within a tribe of humans than men, meaning that men would take the more dangersou jobs of hunting and protecting the tribe and need to be willign to sacrifice themselves to do so.

42 min later 6001232 Anonymous
>http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/res ources/FAQ.html >Approximately 20-25% of men and 10-15% of women engage in extramarital sex at least once during their marriage. (Laumann, 1994; Wiederman, 1997) >Average age of first intercourse, by gender: Males 16.9 Females: 17.4 >Males 30-44 report an average of 6-8 female sexual partners in their lifetime >Females 30-44 report an average of 4 male sexual partners in their lifetime >3% of men have had zero sexual partners since the age of 18, 20% have had 1 partner, 21% have had 2-4 partners, 23% have had 5-10 partners, 16% have had 11-20 partners, and 17% have had 21 or more partners >3% of women have had zero sexual partners since the age of 18, 31% have had 1 partner, 36% have had 2-4 partners, 20% have had 5-10 partners, 6% have had 11-20 partners, and 3% have had 21 or more partners >20% of American men and 31% of American women have had one sex partner in their lifetime >56% of American men and 30% of American women have had 5 or more sex partners in their lifetime Incoming robots covering their eyes and shaking their heads claiming it can't be so. Only woman are the ones fucking massive numbers of partners and displaying no self control, right? right?

44 min later 6001254 Anonymous
>>6001077 >>mindlessly accepts speculative biased bullshit from MRA blogs and bitter nerd boards You don't know what I do or do not accept. I simply pointed out the statistics in OP's post are not the end all, be all.

44 min later 6001263 Anonymous
>>6000803 >>6000817 >>6000885 http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive /sexsurv.htm >For example, women who thought their answers might be read reported an average of 2.6 sexual partners. But those who thought they were monitored by a lie detector reported an average of 4.4 sexual partners. Women who were not attached to the lie detector, but who had privacy during testing, gave answers in the middle, an average of 3.4 sexual partners. >Men's answers didn't vary as widely. Men who thought they were attached to a polygraph reported an average of 4.0 sexual partners, compared to 3.7 partners for those who thought their answers might be seen. Here's your statistical evidence that women lie more on anonymous surveys.

44 min later 6001264 Anonymous
>>6001227 Going hunting and stabbing a whooly mammoth with a spear and fessing up to dipping your dick in some side pussy are completely different. You're trying so hard to throw big words around to bolster your claims, but at the end of the day it boils down to "that girl back in junior high was a bitch, so basically they're all bitches"

47 min later 6001292 Anonymous
>>6001263 whiteknight status : [_] Told [_] Severely told [X] Old King Told was a merry told soul and a merry told soul was he

48 min later 6001300 Anonymous
>>6001227 >social scientist lel

49 min later 6001317 Anonymous
>>6000905 >key phrase: affair theres a difference between an open relationshit and an affair

50 min later 6001331 Anonymous
>>6001263 Watch as the thread now dies because the sluts and white knights have been told way too hard. >MUH STATISTICS

51 min later 6001336 Anonymous
>>6001263 You know what's hilarious? The fucking headline of the article: >Women's sexual behavior may be closer to men's than previously thought So both genders are pretty equal in terms of fucking around.

51 min later 6001338 Anonymous
>>6001080 people were always degenerate. It was just never broadcast like it is now. Pleasure is always tempting, is it not?

53 min later 6001348 Anonymous
>>6000763 >I don't like your statistics >They must be wrong robot logic

53 min later 6001349 Anonymous
>>6001331 >>6001292 >>6001263 That just proves that women lie only about sexual partners but about affairs. You must prove correlation between the two at least but even then you should at least have dependence.

53 min later 6001351 Anonymous
>>6001263 >http://researchnews.osu.edu/archiv e/sexsurv.htm I found the actual study. http://web.nmsu.edu/~kclayton/wordd ocuments/truth%20and%20consequences %20reporting%20sexual%20partners.pd f

53 min later 6001352 Anonymous
>>6001263 >the delicious lack of any refutation

54 min later 6001357 Anonymous
>>6001349 but not about affairs Typos, typos everywhere.

54 min later 6001359 Anonymous
>>6001264 Honor is an alien concept to many women Along with integrity

54 min later 6001364 Anonymous
>>6001264 The overarching behavioural concepts of honor, responsibility and duty apply to both. To hunt a woolly mammoth or protect your tribe aand it's resources from other groups of humans, you, as a man would have to work as a team , be more aggressive, be better at taking risks and feel less fear, and be prepared sometimes to expose yourself to greater risk than your fellow warriors in order to make the operation successful. For this reason mindsets that could lead to the individual taking action that does is detrimental to ones self developed in men but not in women. The idea of taking your punishment like a man is one which has existed within western society for thousands of years.

55 min later 6001373 Anonymous
>>6001349 >there's no correlation between extra-relationship sexual partners and affairs I think we're done here.

56 min later 6001382 Anonymous
>>6001331 Except my point was to show that men and women were fairly close in sexual behavior, not that women were pure little maidens and men were big nasty brutes. The OP stats line up fairly close in terms of gender, and the "adjusted" figures of this study here line up fairly close as well. We don't know the conditions of the OP survery, so automatically skewing the results would be silly without knowing the conditions. And you'd do well to read the article posted, as it shows that despite /r9k/'s claims that "Sluts" are applauded and encouraged, that in reality women are still under pressure to conform to those notions of purity that you all harp on. But since this is the real world, they're as likely as men to give in to their lusts.

57 min later 6001388 Anonymous (nazi-iconography-460x307.png 460x307 199kB)
>>6001338 People say this as if it's true, and people are just degenerates waiting for the opportunity. People are capable of dignity and self-respect, capable of being upstanding. It's just fucking brainwashing that's going on, where people's natural urges, instead of being tempered and controlled, are revved up by the media and let loose upon the world. Boys are taught that being a man means fucking a new woman every night. Girls are taught that being a woman means having fun and sleeping around. Worse yet are the enablers, people like you who encourage reckless decadence because you see it as a natural inevitability. Like people aren't capable of anything other than degeneracy. Well I refuse to be a part of your world then, I'm going to remain one of the few people in this world with a moral compass. If that gets me scorn from you go ahead. Call me weak and pathetic, because it'll be people like me who start the next great society.

58 min later 6001401 Anonymous
>>6001349 It proves that female statistical self-report evidence is unreliable especially when it's about sex. Women lie far more on sex self-report surveys than do men. Now who's sidelining academic studies that counter their world views?

58 min later 6001403 Anonymous
>>6001263 You're taking unrelated results out of context and ignoring the fact that even in your survey there was no difference when it was anonymous.

1 hours later 6001416 Anonymous
>>6001388 Im not enabling it, but acting like it is some recent phenomenon is not true. Heck, even porn was there in Victorian times and we know how uppity those guys were. If anything, the increased wealth and (possibly) time people have may lead to them seeking out "pleasurable pursuits" more. Along with increased lifespans

1 hours later 6001420 Anonymous
>>6001382 >it shows that despite /r9k/'s claims that "Sluts" are applauded and encouraged, that in reality women are still under pressure to conform to those notions of purity that you all harp on. That is far too vague. The study shows that in reality women are still under pressure to APPEAR to conform to those notions of purity. The study shows that women will lie more on sex self-report studies because they will not want to admit to nonconformity.

1 hours later 6001430 Anonymous
>>6001388 Get the fuck out of this board you fucking /pol/tard.

1 hours later 6001435 Anonymous
>>6001403 >For example, women who thought their answers might be read reported an average of 2.6 sexual partners. But those who thought they were monitored by a lie detector reported an average of 4.4 sexual partners. Women who were not attached to the lie detector, but who had privacy during testing, gave answers in the middle - an average of 3.4 sexual partners. Read it carefully, cretin.

1 hours later 6001441 Anonymous
>>6001373 If you are implying that there is, give me proof. Your argument doesn't even make sense. Sexual partners aren't obligatorily affairs. Women could have had relationships before their marriage so that would count as sexual partners, it doesn't imply that women will have affairs or that by sexual partners they included or even meant affairs. That's an out of context anyway. If you want to prove women and guys defending them wrong, link logical papers that can be related to the argument. You can't prove that women lie more than men only based on a single study which is only about sexual partners. There's no way to link that study to the one OP posted.

1 hours later 6001442 Anonymous
>>6001401 >study shows women's sex life similar to men's >study finds that instead of being more prudish women's sex life is actually instead closer to men's >pretending the latter study "refutes" the first Nice job missing the point.

1 hours later 6001460 Anonymous
>>6001420 And the end result is that they sleep around about as much as men. Not that they're Mega-Sluts from the Kingdom of Cocklandia who swallow 49 dongs a day, as /r9k/ likes to postulate, but that they're basically in line with most other humans of either gender.

1 hours later 6001467 Anonymous
>>6001401 No, it does not. It could be unreliable only when it's about sexual partners. Period. Nothing more. Don't extrapolate data and subjective conclusion from numbers which are only about one single thing. Just seeing the differences between their answers is meaningless as well because they can't be inferred on the population. You need more. There's should be a lot more math behind that but in the quoted paragraph there are only meaningless absolute numbers.

1 hours later 6001476 Anonymous
>>6001382 >>6001420 To add to my prior response: There are multiple aspects about the study. 1. It vindicates doubts about previous studies that report such huge differences in sex partner averages. After all, a female partner needs a male partner. 2.Women lie in conformity to social norms. This is the reason for the above discrepencies in previous studies. It is not the fault of men (mostly); men's answers were fairly consistent regardless of testing condition. 2 accounts for 1; however, 1 does not mitigate the fact that it's women who lie on anonymous studies, not men.

1 hours later 6001481 Anonymous
>>6001441 Or that they even interviewed married women. They should report more info about their sample. I haven't read the paper but I hope they did, otherwise that study is utter garbage like OP's.

1 hours later 6001508 Anonymous
I'm sick of this shit. Why do you insist of having this "men vs women" bullshit? Do you not see how retarded it is? Is it just to make you feel better about having no friends or gfs? Well, you know what would make you feel even better? Getting off this place and doing something. >WAAAH WOMEN LIE, THIS DOESN'T COUNT! Even assuming that is true, 3/4 of men would cheat on their partner if they were sure she wouldn't find out. Does that sound good to you? >b-but I'm different... So are women. Some lie, some cheat, some are sluts and some are shy, loyal and all the good things. Now stop being retarded.

1 hours later 6001515 Anonymous
>>6001460 >>6001442 1. It vindicates doubts about previous studies that report such huge differences in sex partner averages. After all, a female partner needs a male partner. 2.Women lie in conformity to social norms. This is the reason for the above discrepencies in previous studies. It is not the fault of men (mostly); men's answers were fairly consistent regardless of testing condition. 2 accounts for 1; however, 1 does not mitigate the fact that it's women who lie on anonymous studies, not men. >>6001467 >No, it does not. It could be unreliable only when it's about sexual partners. >sexual partners >not what OP's study was about lel. Reread what you just said. >Just seeing the differences between their answers is meaningless as well because they can't be inferred on the population. It can because the study was mathematically statistically significant. Not that you would even know what that means.

1 hours later 6001537 Anonymous
>>6001476 I think overall it's bit of a moot point since at the end of the day it seems to be that no matter how you shake it down we're not seeing the big discrepancy between men/women's sex lives that many here pretend there is. There's a multi-hundred post thread here going on about facebook girls covered in cum with the usual tripe, but in reality what we seem to have is a general spread of men and women who like sex and have sex. This grand conspiracy of evil women sitting around in perfume filled rooms snickering about how they fucked 25 alpha's the night before and how liberated and awesome they are and how much they delight in tormenting the beta's of the world is a farce.

1 hours later 6001547 Anonymous
>>6000737 1) What females and males consider "infidelity" varies. Females consider anything with emotional attachment to be cheating: casual pecks, fucking some random dude drunk, not so much 2) THE VERY SAME STUDY YOU POST says that over half of women cheat. How was /r9k/ lying then?

1 hours later 6001549 Anonymous
Man, this >lol women are liars with no honor shit is mindnumbing. But you know what, a person who thinks like that must be pretty far gone already, so there's no point in so many people arguing about it. Who cares what some obtuse, brokenn person thinks about women? 'ts not that important.

1 hours later 6001562 Anonymous
>>6001435 You have a ten year old study about attitudes towards sex off of which you are drawing an (unrelated) conclusion that is mentioned nowhere in the study about the honesty of WOMEN's answers on surveys. Surely you don't pretend that attitudes haven't changed in the last ten years or you're better acquainted with the experimental design and therefore more able to draw conclusions than the experimenters. Also, the same amount of lying was found in men, and simply followed a different pattern, which suggests that the social pressures behind lying in one circumstance or another may be a little more complex than you arrogantly assert. little shit.

1 hours later 6001565 Anonymous
>>6001441 Are you literate? Are you a cretin? illicit sexual partners, i.e. sexual partners you have while you're meant to be in a relationship are a subset of sexual partners as a whole. >>6001263 shows that women lie about the number of sexual partners they've had in surveys more than men, so why would they in particular not lie about one specific kind of sexual partner, i.e. sexual partners they had while already in a relationship, as asked in the OP survey? what tenuous straw-grasping. >nuh uh guys so what if women lie more than men on anonymous surveys about sexual partners! They're probably just as honest as men about sexual partners they had while in a relationship!

1 hours later 6001577 Anonymous
>>6001549 anyone with a degree of wisdom or knowledge of evolution can see why it would be the case. I suppose you'd just prefer to be willfully ignorant.

1 hours later 6001582 Anonymous
>>6001515 Sexual partners is a superset of affairs. You should think more logically. All of the possible sexual partners of a female in time =/= affair which implies marriage or at least a stable relationship. What if the study interviewed only non-married women? What about their education level or region they live in? Did they randomly pick women from each state? Then it's only good for the US. So tell how is a survey mathematically and statistically sound since you seem to know statistics so well.

1 hours later 6001595 Anonymous
>>6001547 >THE VERY SAME STUDY YOU POST says that over half of women cheat. How was /r9k/ lying then? Because /r9k/ pretends it's a female issue and not a human issue. Where are all the "Men and women are both disgusting cheating lying assholes" threads? It's all "WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN HATE HATE GRR" Again, my point was to illuminate the similarities between genders, not elevate one above the other.

1 hours later 6001596 Anonymous
>>6001577 you have a whole thread full of kids willing to 'debate', don't waste your precious arguments on me.

1 hours later 6001611 Anonymous
>>6001577 Please explain to me in your infinite wisdom how it's an evolutionary advantage for women to lie. If wanything for men to lie. But don't let me poison your pristine thought pattern, share with me what biologists haven't been able to figure out. Also >Thinking the one study casts doubt on the fundamental assertion made by the OP

1 hours later 6001622 Anonymous
>>6001595 I'll be the first to say that the statistic for both genders infuriates me, but the reason you don't see /r9k/ talking about male cheating is because most of us are males. So men cheating on women doesn't affect us in the same way that women cheating on men does.

1 hours later 6001626 Anonymous
>>6001565 You are the cretin here. You're assuming that sexual partners has the same distribution as its underlying components. Do a fucking test first. Ah, yeah. I forgot, you don't know shit about statistics. Statistics 101 This is why a lot of results in sociology and psychology can't even be reproduced and revalidated. Too many faggots who can't into statistics.

1 hours later 6001632 Anonymous
>>6001577 >evolutionary sociology Next you'll dazzle us with some cranium shape/behavior shit I suppose. In fact I could spin your "men are the risk takers" analysis to basically make an argument how it makes men more likely to fuck around on the side than women.

1 hours later 6001685 Anonymous
>>6001622 The problem with the one sided analysis on /r9k/ is that a toxic brew of hatred is bubbling here unfairly. We should be talking about the social rot that's impacting everyone and how it's damaging relationships, not just "she has a vagina, she's evil.". It's no better than the ultra-feminists who view anything with a penis as being evil.

1 hours later 6001703 Wizard
>>6001595 > Where are all the "Men and women are both disgusting cheating lying assholes" Are you seriously saying that you've yet to see a Normalfags hate thread, an Alpha hate thread, an Alpha stole my waifu and dump her thread, etc.

1 hours later 6001705 Anonymous
>>6001685 Exactly, we need to figure out how to restore good moral values to people of both genders.

1 hours later 6001710 Anonymous
>>6001703 >normalfags hate thread Oh /r9k/

1 hours later 6001718 Anonymous
>>6001705 >>6001685 How about we don't give a shit about this and talk about something else. Bad people exist, so what, think about the good ones and leave the others do their thing.

1 hours later 6001727 Anonymous
>>6001718 >good ones exist Not for long if we don't do something about the downward spiral of degeneracy.

1 hours later 6001744 Anonymous
>>6001727 Yeah, the world is waiting for you to save it. No, really, bad people have always existed and were always the majority. Stop getting angry about this on /r9k/ and actually work on getting to know the good people, this will be much better for you.

1 hours later 6001747 Anonymous
>>6001611 It takes a woman 9 months to create a baby. You can repopulate a tribe with a large number of women and only a a few or even one man, but you cannot do the reverse. This makes women more reproductively valuable than men. Thus, if you are a primitive tribe, as we were for most of human history, it is a successful strategy to have men do the more dangerous tasks than women. these dangerous tasks include hunting and protectin the tribe's resources from other tribes. men are more successful at these tasks if they have possess mindsets that help cooperation and lessen selfishness: duty, honor, responsibility, acountability. If a bunch of men throw themselves into battle to protect their tribe even though their chance of personal survival would be higher if they had fled by themselves, then that tribe is more likely to be able to repopulate itself, and the genes which led to that behaviour in men will still be passed on. On the other hand there is no equivalent incentive for women not to be selfish. The only thing that it makes sense for a woman to sacrifice herself for is her own children. as such it is not only of no benefit for women to possess a moral sense honor and duty, it is actively personally disadvantageous. This is why women are better not only at lying, but of justifying to themselves their own behaviour and not having it weigh on their conscience. Whereas a man finds it harder to side-step his sense of duty and honor to stop it weighing on his mind.

1 hours later 6001761 Anonymous
>>6001611 btw it's not that biologists haven't figured this out. this only requires quite simple evolutionary theory.

1 hours later 6001786 Anonymous
>>6001263 >Here's your statistical evidence that women lie more on anonymous surveys. Nope. This is only evidence that women lie more about their number of sexual partners in surveys. One needs to consider the context of these answers. For men, having more sexual partners is seen as an advantage but not necessary. For women, having fewer partners is seen as absolutely necessary. Women are under more pressure to lie. Are men under the same pressure when reporting whether or not they cheat? Is it a different, more intense pressure than what they are under when reporting their number of partners? You can only test it. Set up a similar test with polygraphs, but ask if they have cheated, and how often they cheat if so. One would have to do this with multiple different questions to determine whether or not it can be applied to each question, to assume that the pressure is consistent in each situation is incredibly foolish and short-sighted.

1 hours later 6001795 Anonymous
>>6001626 distribution with respect to what? If you're going to throw a hissy fit then be precise here.

1 hours later 6001811 Anonymous
>>6001747 The fact that you conveniently ignore the whole UPBRINGING aspect of human behavior in favor of who was fucking who and surviving 10,000 years ago is amusing. If I slap the shit out of my child and tell it from an early age that he/she should strive to shit down the throats of anyone they can as an adult, that kid will be fucked up. It won't be some Noble Honest Just Fellow if it's a boy and a conniving liar if it's a girl, it'll be a fucked up kid regardless.

1 hours later 6001824 Anonymous
>>6001786 Also, men are better at controlling their reactions and tend to be more confident in their stoicism. Is it a far stretch to think that there is a higher number of men that know how to control their responses than there are women, thus leading to more brazenly lying despite the polygraph?

1 hours later 6001841 Anonymous
>>6001744 Where? I'm not super normalfag, but I've never met a female I'd consider marriageable and I've never met a male who wasn't at least a little degenerate.

1 hours later 6001865 Anonymous
>>6001562 >Also, the same amount of lying was found in men NOPE Nice try. little shit 1. It vindicates doubts about previous studies that report such huge differences in sex partner averages. After all, a female partner needs a male partner. 2.Women lie in conformity to social norms. This is the reason for the above discrepencies in previous studies. It is not the fault of men (mostly); men's answers were fairly consistent regardless of testing condition. 2 accounts for 1; however, 1 does not mitigate the fact that it's women who lie on anonymous studies (should have specifically said sex studies), not men.

1 hours later 6001896 Anonymous
>>6001811 Social conventions are adopted by a society because they suit the majority of that society, i.e. they're a reflection of the behavioural predispositions within most of the members of that population. I can't believe I'm having to explain something so embarrassingly obvious to you.

1 hours later 6001903 Anonymous
>>6001786 see >>6001565 blocking incase unoriginal

1 hours later 6001904 Anonymous
tl;dr Both genders are equally terrible

1 hours later 6001918 Anonymous
>>6001582 If women lie more about sex partners than men because of social norms, there is no reason that it doesn't mean that they wouldn't lie more regarding extra-marital sex partners which is far more in breach of social norms.

1 hours later 6001943 Anonymous
>>6001824 You didn't even understand the experiment. The point was that a polygraph WASN'T used; one of the test groups was merely told that it was being used.

1 hours later 6001959 Anonymous
>>6001896 You do realize that nothing you said there actually refutes what I said, right? It's seemingly boiling down to a nature vs nurture argument, and it looks as though you're postulating that based on the nature of life in early man's history, the traits of honestly and nobility in men shone through and selfishness in women survived, hence leading to selfish bitches who lie today. I'm arguing that the upbringing of boys and girls will play the bigger role in determining their behavior as an adult. Even the study that your ilk leapt at to try and show women are liars illustrated that the rational for the results being what they were was due to societal conventions and norms, not some gut reflex to lie by nature.

1 hours later 6001995 Anonymous
>>Percent of women who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 54% >implying there isn't another 45% who would never admit to anything

1 hours later 6002064 Anonymous
>>6001995 >stastistics don't match my world view >LIES ALL LIES Continue on your path to enlightenment. And no that's not denying the statistics could give a skewed view.

2 hours later 6002089 Anonymous
>>6002064 >polls >a relevant kind of statistics nope

2 hours later 6002092 Anonymous
>>6001903 That doesn't address my point at all. He simply states >>6001263 shows that women lie about the number of sexual partners they've had in surveys more than men but as explained in >>6001786 and >>6001824 , it does not clearly demonstrate that women lie in just "surveys". It demonstrates that they lie in surveys about their partner count.

2 hours later 6002140 Anonymous
>>6002089 Is there a better way to get more insight in this specific topic? And if there isn't, what purpose does it have to trash the most reliable source we DO have as irrelevant?

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