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2012-12-21 06:21 4905142 Anonymous (adam-lanza.jpg 369x441 22kB)
We don't know much about those children's lives, but everybody has just taken them for being your stereotypical children. People imagine a helpless, innocent child in such an awful situation and naturally feel devastated for them. However, if we continue viewing them as average (American) children you have to believe that they had pretty comfortable lives, had few worries, played lots of games, etc. So that means that they had more or less short but sweet lives. Now think about Adam Lanza, think about just how much suffering and torture his life must have been for so long for him to want to kill his own mother, 20 children and then himself. He's had it much, much worse than any of the children in this story. I'm not trying to be "edgy" at all, I actually find it really upsetting that the real tragedy of this story is so hard to notice.

2 min later 4905171 Anonymous
>>4905142 >torture He couldn't feel anything. He was a soulless brick.

2 min later 4905181 Anonymous
Have you seen his fucking house? That asshole was living in luxury, his brother was 4 years older than him and was a complete success in life and with the ladies. Adam was just a spoiled brat + batshit insane. While I want to know more about him, he's still an asshole.

3 min later 4905185 Anonymous
Yeah, well America has a war on introverts going on, so what can you expect? He's not The Boss or anything like that. Maybe one of those kids would turn out to be the next Hitler. Doesn't matter at the end of the day, they're merely symbols now.

4 min later 4905199 Anonymous
>>4905181 being envious of his family's wealth etc. is silly and gets us further from the truth of the situation

4 min later 4905203 Anonymous
>>4905171 things have to happen to a person for them to become a soulless brick.

4 min later 4905206 Anonymous
another robot bites the dust

6 min later 4905224 Anonymous
He knew this massacre wasn't right, he could've got help at any moment but he didn't. He's a scumbag that was destined to die. Good riddance.

7 min later 4905239 Anonymous
>>4905203 You can be born like that. If something THAT terrible happened to him, we would have known by now.

7 min later 4905245 Anonymous (191293.jpg 640x480 35kB)
>first world white boy problems This is why everybody hates us

8 min later 4905250 Anonymous
There's plenty of people who had it way worse than him who also chose not to pick up a semi-automatic and shoot schoolchildren. So no, his situation didn't contribute to this. It was his choice. It was his grandiose delusions from being a nutcase. And the only tragedy here is that nobody on the outside never thought twice about it being a bad idea that his gun enthusiast mom kept rifles and glocks in the home with her crazy son.

8 min later 4905253 Anonymous
>>4905224 >He knew this massacre wasn't right, You can't say that he did, and if he did that would make it even worse. He must have really hated himself if he knew what he was going to do was evil but did it any way. >he could've got help at any moment but he didn't. That's unfortunate, but I don't see how that is anything to hold against him.

8 min later 4905259 Anonymous
>ITT: Losers who blame their shortcomings on others (Just like Adam Lazara) rationalize their refusal to take responsibility for their lives.

9 min later 4905264 Anonymous
>>4905239 >You can be born like that. If he was born like that you would think somebody would have noticed and done a better job of taking care of him.

10 min later 4905274 Anonymous
>>4905253 The guy spent a year preparing, destroyed his computers and killed his mother so that NOTHING would stop him from doing it. He wasn't some poor victim who snapped. He was a cold calculated murderous loser who wanted to be famous. Guess what. He is now.

10 min later 4905279 Anonymous
>>4905142 I would agree if he had killed bullies or people that made his existence horrible. But no, the big pussy iinstead of facing directly his problems, went against the most easy targets wich were also totally unrelated to his issues. Even in the end he just showed how much of a beta he was

10 min later 4905284 Anonymous
>>4905253 you're delusional if you don't think he could've got help to stop these urges. this was obviously planned for a long time, i don't care how autistic a person is he could've stopped it i'm just disappointed he didn't survive to rot in jail getting ass raped

10 min later 4905286 Anonymous
>>4905264 He's been a spaz his whole life. At the very least, in a ten year span. Why didn't anybody notice then?

11 min later 4905291 Anonymous
>>4905259 What does that make you? Somebody who goes out of his way to insult losers. Basically a coward who likes hitting people who are already down.

11 min later 4905294 Anonymous
You have a point OP, he probably had a pretty terrible twenty years of life, and that is very unfortunate. But, he potentially stopped about 1600 years of good life from happening for other people, so I'd say the victims, kids especially, are still the -real- tragedy by far.

12 min later 4905303 Anonymous
>>4905286 I know that's why it's a tragedy.

12 min later 4905310 Anonymous
This Adam Lanza sounds a lot like my brother. He's a completely deranged psychopath with no feelings or regard for other people. He is always trying to make it sound like he's so hard done by and that no one in my family likes him and that hes abused n shit, but really he's just completely making it up and looking for excuses (my parents treat me and my siblings perfectly fine, hes the only one with complaints). If he doesnt get his way we wines and cries like a 5 year old. Has no friends because he pushed them all away, etc. Hes just a complete asshole who needs some sort of excuse all the time no matter what. And that's what Adam Lanza was, a complete heartless asshole. His life probably wasn't that bad, he was just so deranged he thought it was a lot worse than it was.

13 min later 4905320 Anonymous
>>4905291 he sounds like a person stating the truth. is it too harsh for you? self pity is the greatest self-told lie

13 min later 4905326 Anonymous
>>4905274 >The guy spent a year preparing, destroyed his computers and killed his mother so that NOTHING would stop him from doing it. I can only imagine that this feels like being possessed by a demon. To be obsessed so much with doing something so evil. It was an awful experience for him I'm sure.

14 min later 4905337 Anonymous
>THE REAL TRAGEDY IS THAT A GUY WHO KILLED A BUNCH OF KIDS PROBABLY FELT SAD TOO! I'm sure he was deeply upset, but the fact of the matter is he still killed a bunch of innocent children. >short but sweet lives >how much suffering and torture Lanza wasn't much older than they were, stop acting like he was POW for 40 years. >He's had it much, much worse He wasn't mercilessly gunned down in the middle of math class without any sort of notice. He killed a bunch of kids and then himself. I see no reason to play him up as some kind of sympathetic figure. The funny part is that in a few weeks the world will largely forget about Lanza. His last desperate cry for attention will go unheard, his name will not be writ in the annals of history, and in time, even the families will learn to move on.

14 min later 4905340 Anonymous
>>4905320 >he sounds like a person stating the truth. and I don't? Check your bias.

14 min later 4905341 Anonymous
>>4905310 Oh ya, and my family, just like Lanzas, tries to talk to my brother, tries to be understanding, but he just pushes them all away, then blames them for everything. They tried signing up for counseling, he wont go, they tried getting him back in school, he wont go, they tried putting him on meds, he wont take them (even though they make him 150% better). Its not always the parents fault, sometimes people do stuff (even young people) because they're shitty people.

16 min later 4905358 Anonymous
>>4905337 >He wasn't mercilessly gunned down in the middle of math class without any sort of notice. He killed a bunch of kids and then himself. I don't imagine Adam Lanza was shown much mercy throughout his life.

17 min later 4905368 Anonymous
>>4905337 But kids picked on me at school and that was worse than Vietnam. I have PTSD from it.

17 min later 4905370 Anonymous
>>4905337 >even the families will learn to move on. I hope they kept the Christmas gift receipts.

17 min later 4905375 Anonymous
>>4905340 No, you don't. You sounded like someone who had been hit on a nerve

17 min later 4905380 Anonymous
>>4905358 Because he was as human as a cockroach. Think about it. He was pretty much braindead.

18 min later 4905392 Anonymous
>>4905340 i'm just sticking up for him because you're the one calling him a coward also your idea of "truth" is very skewed. he wanted to be viewed as this horrific person so he got what he wanted. there should be no sympathy for a man who knew what was coming with a plan like that

18 min later 4905395 Anonymous
>>4905358 Except for all the times his parents tried to help him. >but he was tortured! Everyone says they just left him alone and didn't talk to him much. It doesn't look like he was tortured or abused in school at all. Butthurt is not an excuse to kill a bunch of people, especially not self-pity and self-inflicted butthurt. >>4905368 Oh yeah? One time in school somebody called me fat. That shit was fucking World War 1.

18 min later 4905396 Anonymous
the worst of people make the worst of people

19 min later 4905401 Anonymous
>>4905341 >Its not always the parents fault, sometimes people do stuff (even young people) because they're shitty people. > because they're shitty people. Giving up on your brother like that makes you not a "shitty" person? You've said you've given him a lot of patience and care, etc., but for your brother you should be able to put in as much patience and care as it takes without ever coming to this attitude, "he's just a shitty person."

20 min later 4905423 Anonymous
>>4905358 And that, of course, is a total valid excuse to kill people totally unrelated to his problems IF he had actuallly had them to beging with

21 min later 4905429 Anonymous
>>4905395 >Everyone says they just left him alone and didn't talk to him much. Being one of the only people on your own while forced to be kept in an environment where other kids are enjoying each other's company is torturing. I say this as somebody who had plenty of friends at school, so don't bother with that silly retort.

21 min later 4905437 Anonymous
>>4905341 Why your parents haven't institutionalize him?

21 min later 4905439 Anonymous
I guess the way I view it is that, yet again, there where likely warning signs leading up to Adam Lanza deciding to shoot up the school. I'm sure there was a reason for it, however, there isn't really anyway to justify it. It bothers me more that everyone around him likely turned a blind eye, and people have even said that they "aren't surprised it was him". If the warning signs were that strong, why didn't anyone try to get him help? I guess I'm always going to think of the Jared Lee Loughner case because the shooting was just up the road from where I live, he lived in the same neighborhood as my dad, and we both attended the same community college. The school saw the warning signs, enough to suspend him, fellow students thought he was capable of commiting a school shooting, but no real action was taken to try to get him in for a psych eval - just suspend him and let him loose of the streets. I will admit, that once the semester started at school again it was pretty interesting. We got back in about a week and half to two weeks after the shooting, and there media everywhere. There was a whole new code of conduct, and we were told we weren't allowed to talk to the media about anything (though I'm positive some students still did). It was nuts.

22 min later 4905453 Anonymous
>>4905401 >trying to help his brother >NUH-UH NUH-UH, NANANANA CAN'T HEAR YOU Suit yourself. >>4905429 No, it's not torture. Tons of kids go through school largely alone. It's not a valid reason to go on a killing spree, sorry. The fact that other people are enjoying each other isn't torture either. You're just butthurt or trying desperately to troll.

23 min later 4905454 Anonymous
>>4905326 This faggot probably masturbated to the thought of killing these kids every night. I was fucked up in high school. In class I would fantasize about killing everyone and I would think of who I would shoot first before I ran low on ammo and had to kill myself. I almost brought my father's 12 gauge to school when I was 16 but I decided to just swallow an entire bottle of pills instead. I made the right decision because I fucked up the suicide and here I am 6 years later and I love my life.

23 min later 4905457 Anonymous
>>4905401 >I've never had to deal with a mentally slow or violent person in my family before I'm not even that anon but c'mon. It's different when you live with crazy and have to deal with it everyday. Families get tired of that. Just like they get tired with anything else like a family member with a voracious drug addiction. It's not easy. And yes, some people are just shitty. They can change themselves, but not many do.

25 min later 4905471 Anonymous
Oh wow another thread trying to justify this faggots actions You delusional fucks are worse than him

25 min later 4905476 Anonymous
What if the kids he shot up were assholes? I mean, most kids (like most adults) are awful people, so it's entirely plausible.

25 min later 4905481 Anonymous
>>4905457 > It's not easy. Ofc not, I wasn't trying to ignore that. What I was arguing against was this attitude of "oh, he's just a shitty person." Well if you're really going down that route, you have to look at yourself and assess whether or not you're the ideal person in this circumstance.

26 min later 4905482 Anonymous
>>4905471 his actions were awful, but that's beside the point I made in the OP

27 min later 4905494 Anonymous
>>4905401 Its been like this for like 4 years. He's put our family through absolute hell with absolutely no regard for our feelings (destroying our house in his rage fits, being a complete douche to anyone who tries to talk to him, hitting my mom and sister, etc), I know my mom hasn't given up on him, but I sure as hell have. I honestly hope he gets arrested when he turns 18 (he already has for stealing but was a minor so couldnt go to jail) and put in jail so we don't have to put up with his shit. It's like he's either doing absolutely nothing all day, or causing other people misery (with a smile on his face the whole time, because he actually likes hurting people emotionally/physically) I just see a lot of what Lanza's been described as in my brother, and I know if my brother did what he did, I'd want him either dead or in jail for the rest of his life.

27 min later 4905500 Anonymous
>>4905429 I was a poorfag who was bullied mercilessly through 2/3 of high school with no friends. The few days i was left alone were the blessed ones yet i am not shooting kids totally unrelated to me

29 min later 4905520 Anonymous
>>4905437 They did for a while when he went completely batshit and thought aliens were coming, the government was trying to kill him, etc, but now he's apparently "not sick enough" according to hospital staff, and until he hurts himself or someone else he cant be committed. Ya I know, how ridiculous is that? Until he fucking kills someone or himself pretty much, he's "not sick enough" to be committed to a institution.

31 min later 4905545 Anonymous
>>4905520 Force feed his medication then. You and your father should hold him while your mother and sister jamm the fucking pills down his throat

32 min later 4905551 Anonymous
20 children died, so what? People care so much because the media is shitting it out all over the place.

32 min later 4905552 Anonymous
I kind of agree with you, OP. I tried to describe my thoughts to my best friend and he kind of wrote me off as a monster. "Siding with the asshole that killed people? By your logic, even Brevik was a nice guy." Can't someone recognize that the shooters lives are tragic too? Not to say I condone their actions, but clearly things went terribly wrong in their lives and they were a little broken inside to consider doing those things. Demonizing them in death is harmful, it's just what likely happened to them in life, and what will continue to happen with these poisonous thoughts.

32 min later 4905554 Anonymous (SNN1s605BB---_1638600a.jpg 620x528 67kB)
>oversized shirt Check. >non-fitting khakis Check. >ugly ass fullblack shoes Check. Next!

34 min later 4905568 Anonymous
>>4905545 We tried that, he called the cops. The cops came here and said because he's over 16 he technically has the legal right to refuse medication. Until he gets charged with physically hurting someone while not on his medication, he cant be forced to take them. And I really cant deal with police (because of a long history of shit, Im not perfect), and he knows this, so his go to for anything is to just call the cops on us.

35 min later 4905572 necrofag
There is no excuse for killing 20 children. Period. He pulled the trigger, he is responsible. Plenty of people have been in worse positions than him or had harder lives, and didn't slaughter 20 children because of it. He lashed out in one of the worst ways imaginable. He'll be remembered for the suffering he caused, not the suffering he endured. It's a shitty fucking situation, but once he lit up that elementary school, he lost his chance at getting any help. His life is basically forfeit. If nothing else, hopefully someone else just as desperate will try to seek help before they hurt anyone, rather than mindlessly lashing out and only perpetuating the cycle.

35 min later 4905573 Anonymous
>>4905476 No child is innocent. If you've spent any day with a kid, you'd know that. >>4905551 People die everyday, too. There's probably at least 2 people that have died today. Nobody is meant to live forever. These kids had to die someday, I guess that day was their time.

37 min later 4905590 Anonymous
>>4905552 But. they. killed. innocent. people. That is justification to demonize them because they acted like monsters. Lanza had every opportunity to turn back, to put the gun down, or hell even turn the gun on himself before he pointed it at another human being. But he didn't. He's a monster. He showed no mercy to those kids and those adults, people have no logical reason to do that for him. And who cares? He's gone anyway.

41 min later 4905637 Anonymous
Things like this remind me of Carrie. Those kids bullied the shit out of her, and she snapped. She killed everyone at prom. Of course, she was treated like the monster even though she was the victim. I'm not saying her classmates weren't the victims, but they victimised her first.

43 min later 4905655 Anonymous
>>4905637 Pretty sure Lanza didn't have the shit bullied out of him, much less get a gallon of blood poured over her at prom. You're trying to make connections between two incomparable situations.

1 hours later 4906017 IanBrady
Daily reminder that I was abused like fuck and never had any help

1 hours later 4906089 Anonymous
>>4905554 dem broad shoulders too bad he didn't lift. would have fixed his mental problems probably

1 hours later 4906165 Anonymous ([spoiler]I'm so fucking sexy[spoiler].jpg 640x430 45kB)
>>4906089 Being physically fit fixes no mental problems

1 hours later 4906185 Anonymous
People have been through worse than lanza and actually survived without murdering a shitton of innocent children. No excuse for that retardation.

1 hours later 4906187 Anonymous
>>4905274 This. He wasn't a tortured soul, he was a spoiled bitch who killed children to be cool and edgy.

1 hours later 4906225 Anonymous
>>4905655 Even if he was bullied, it was not by the children he killed.

1 hours later 4906284 Anonymous
>>4905573 >>4905476 If you seriously believe that, please kill yourself in the most horrible way you can. Thanks in advance.

1 hours later 4906322 Anonymous
>>4905573 > probably at least 2 people that have died today. Try about 200 million, fool

1 hours later 4906349 Locomotor (L.jpg 678x472 53kB)
Universal morality dictates that loss of human life is more lamentable than any form of human suffering, no matter how great. On that note, I'd much rather have the constant intrusive violent tendencies than be dead. Any contradiction to this universal value of human life is simple pre-pubescent eginess and OP is most likely trolling or bored enough to spark a debate he will most definetely lose.

1 hours later 4906388 Anonymous
>>4905142 Just use the Hedonic Calculus - whether he got pleasure or not in killing the kids, they had lives ahead of them that were cut short. Disgustingly unfair murder on people who couldn't fight back. Their lives would have had far more pleasure than Lanza's - therefore he shouldn't have killed them, only himself.

2 hours later 4906403 Anonymous
>>4906349 the death of those children was inevitable the mental torture of the guy was not

2 hours later 4906414 Anonymous
>>4906388 life is suffering he saved them form many years of suffering

2 hours later 4906449 Locomotor (L3.png 465x296 171kB)
>>4906403 By that logic all life is meaningless and the mental state of a few individuals is coveted. And out of curiosity Anon, do you have violent urges?

2 hours later 4906456 Anonymous
>>4906349 >Tripfag talking about universal morality Well spank my ass and call me edgy

2 hours later 4906468 Anonymous
>>4906449 yes life is meaningless everyone has violent urges you would have to be inhuman not to

2 hours later 4906488 Anonymous
>>4906456 >tripfag I don't think you know what that means.

2 hours later 4906496 Anonymous
>>4906456 But, he has no trip

2 hours later 4906532 Anonymous
>>4906449 Shut up and go draw something.

2 hours later 4906558 Locomotor (L2.jpg 894x500 64kB)
>>4906456 That's not tripfagging. This is tripfagging, which I'd rather not partake in. And now my old tripcode is banned. Great. >>4906468 >yes life is meaningless This is where you and the majority of the world disagree. Can you not value the sheer statistical probability of one person being the way they are if nothing else? >>4906532 I can't draw for shit, remember?

2 hours later 4906572 Anonymous
>>4906558 B-but Loco... You used to draw...

2 hours later 4906583 Anonymous
>>4906468 >everyone has violent urges >this is what undersmench actually believe

2 hours later 4906588 Anonymous
>>4906558 >This is where you and the majority of the world disagree so fucking what, popularity in no way indicates truth or quality, quite the opposite in most cases

2 hours later 4906599 Anonymous
>>4905264 that's the problem...the parents didn't do a good enough job...Also, what kind of parents have guns, ammo, etc in a house with a child that has a mental disorder?

2 hours later 4906616 Locomotor (L4.jpg 546x389 21kB)
>>4906572 Is that the cue for the musical number where I explain my fall from drawfag grace? >>4906588 >quite the opposite in most cases Social and moral conventions tend to be in place for a reason. I would go as far as to say that you're opinion is anti-establishmentarialist for the sole purpose of being anti-establishmentarialist.

2 hours later 4906628 Locomotor
>>4906616 >you're brb harikari

2 hours later 4906645 Anonymous
>>4906616 Yes, that cue.

2 hours later 4906654 Locomotor
>>4906645 I'm not singing until you give me your name.

2 hours later 4906671 Anonymous
>>4906654 Aeris. vocaroo.com

2 hours later 4906684 Anonymous
>>4906588 >popularity in no way indicates truth or quality, quite the opposite in most cases reported for underage

2 hours later 4906687 Locomotor (L6.png 503x295 147kB)
>>4906671 Yeah not buying that.

2 hours later 4906699 Anonymous
>>4906687 but pls loco sing ^__^ ~

2 hours later 4906745 Anonymous
>>4905142 no, he was a child. his life wasn't torture, he just imagined it was torture. if a kid cries every night because of a monster under their bed, cries and cries, yells violently, begs for someone to help them, and there is no monster, the problem is the kid here not growing the fuck up. you can't blame other people for your shitty perceptions. and you can only blame your parents or your situation for so long.

2 hours later 4906754 Locomotor (L10.png 476x294 169kB)
>>4906699 http://vocaroo.com/i/s0QHn6Uivx5W In the tongue of my people. Also please note that I come to /r9k/ for semi-stimulating debates and that I would rather not circlejerk here.

2 hours later 4906757 Anonymous (1337945728965.gif 277x400 118kB)
>>4906349 >Universal morality

2 hours later 4906802 Anonymous
>>4905554 So that is his hair, fuck, always thought he was wearing a helmet, lol

3 hours later 4907199 Anonymous
>>4905142 >the real tragedy being the butthurt fag who mowed down innocent children because he didn't get what he wanted Lol you tool

3 hours later 4907209 Anonymous
>>4905545 Then just kick him out. Let him deal with the real world for a whil

3 hours later 4907222 Anonymous
>>4905568 The just kick him out. Let him deal with the real world

3 hours later 4907292 Anonymous
>>4906349 >Universal morality dictates that Stopped right here, you have no fucking idea what you're saying Next

3 hours later 4907371 Locomotor (L15.jpg 460x345 95kB)
>>4907292 >>4906757 Hmm. Perhaps you have another term for it in English. What I mean is the set of moral and ethic norms that are suposedly universally shared and, at the very least, acknowledged. Failure to acknowledge this, which is essentially a heirarchy of values in our society, is viewed as immoral.

3 hours later 4907382 Anonymous
Everytime these shootings happen I always wonder what the shooter went through. Maybe some of us are like him, and he just couldn't take it anymore. I guess we'll never truly know, I don't expect the news media to be honest about anything.

3 hours later 4907405 Alexythimia
Adam Lanza was not a victim. Being a virgin past the age of 18 and being a social retard is not the fault of society, it's entirely his fault and nobody else's. Get over it.

3 hours later 4907428 Anonymous
>>4907405 He was a virgin?

3 hours later 4907431 Anonymous
>>4905142 the guy is being talked about just as much as the people that were killed, whatta want OP a friggin shrine for that gun stealing, mama killin, faggoty haircut god damn adam you are easy to hate

4 hours later 4907800 Anonymous
>>4905142 The real tragedy here is that mental illness is still considered something you hide away in your home. Guns don't kill people. Crazy people will kill people with anything. But guns do make it more devestating. But no one wants to accept that mentally ill people need help and government and society need to provide it. Guns won't destroy America, their lack of universal and accessible mental health care will.

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