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2012-11-20 09:09 4511643 Anonymous (mixed.jpg 1200x1182 131kB)
Is there a non-racist explanation for Europeans taking over the world?

1 min later 4511657 Anonymous
fascism blox

2 min later 4511663 Anonymous
The PC anthropologist answer is that Eurasia had the advantage because their culture was east-west situation instead of north-south. Clan/racial/political borders were small encouraging constant conflict and exchange. Animals in the Eurasia area were better militarily (Eurasia has the horse, Africa has the zebra, South America has the llama; horse wins by a mile) and for farming purposes.

3 min later 4511674 Anonymous
Christianity i.e. God loves us

5 min later 4511694 Anonymous
Europe had much more warfare driving forward military technology In all other aspects, Europe was shit

6 min later 4511700 Anonymous (1351391691003.png 332x399 23kB)
> being white > 2012

7 min later 4511707 Anonymous
>>4511663 Are there any good refutations to this theory? (I think it was propounded in Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" if anyone's interested)

8 min later 4511723 Anonymous
The north is cold. The cold brings out the best in a man. Constant work is required to merely stay alive. People who live in warm climates are less prone to work.

9 min later 4511734 WhitePeopleAreRacist (baw.jpg 960x720 76kB)
Pic related the average white man of Nordic descent

10 min later 4511744 Anonymous
Survival of the fittest comes to mind.

11 min later 4511749 Anonymous
>>4511723 That's not true. There are cultures that live near the equator that are CONSTANTLY working to keep their food supply stocked. The problem is that they are so busy working on agriculture just to feed themselves that they don't have time, energy, or other resources to invest in innovation.

11 min later 4511753 WhitePeopleAreRacist (tfw.jpg 2612x1959 1992kB)
> average white penis

11 min later 4511755 Anonymous
read "Why the West rules" by Ian Morris

11 min later 4511756 Anonymous
All that conflict created advances in technology

11 min later 4511760 Anonymous
I heard a theory that people living in temperate/cold climates (aka most of Europe) for long periods of time eventually become technologically superior because they need to do so to live comfortably, whereas people in warm climates, like most of Africa and South America, can just keep living in mud huts and wearing nothing, because it's warm and there's plenty of food everywhere year-round This mostly holds up, the Middle East also was ahead in technology and science for some time because their region wasn't entirely hospitable, and the desert civilizations of native Americans had more complex societies and advanced architecture than the ones living in temperate forests So basically, Europeans didn't like sitting in their freezing straw huts and shitting into the snow, so they made life more comfortable for themselves, while African tribesmen had no real need for science and technology, because there were edible plants and animals as far as the eye could see 365 days a year and staying warm was never an issue

12 min later 4511770 WhitePeopleAreRacist (DSC01483 (2).jpg 720x960 250kB)
> average white physique

13 min later 4511775 Anonymous
>>4511707 A 1st year graduate student can run a truck through Diamond. It was a pile of dreck that people only praised because it agreed with the ideology of the time. Basically Diamond neglects China and overstates Europe's history. Europe/Western Civilization (with USA/Canada being de facto European civilizations--which they are) had an advantage over the rest of the world for exactly 2 periods of time in the entire history of mankind. The Alexandrian/Roman period and the post Industrial Revolution period. Other than that China has been superior to Europe despite not having the political/mineral wealth that Diamond claims makes all the difference. A lot of the farming/technological/animal arguments break down also. Sub-Saharan Africa gained access to farming techniques, horses and "modern" (for the time) technology even in the pre-Colonial days and did absolutely nothing with them. Africa's mineral wealth takes a crap on Europe's but with only brief intervals their civilizations never amounted to anything.

13 min later 4511778 Reegus Philmon Prime Minister of Earth
>>4511753 yooooooo SUCK THAT DICK YOU WHORE

14 min later 4511780 WhitePeopleAreRacist (394139_525864240776867_1785182669_n.jpg 612x612 86kB)
White men are unwilling to admit their inferiority to master nonwhite races like I have.

15 min later 4511784 WhitePeopleAreRacist (ujellywhitemanujellyujelly.jpg 680x478 76kB)
I want all the white men to die out, I want my woman to be fucked by a real man.

15 min later 4511790 Anonymous
>>4511749 The equator was much different 1000 years ago heck, 2000 years ago north africa was lush and fertile as fuck

16 min later 4511797 WhitePeopleAreRacist (whitearyanmasterrace.jpg 720x720 57kB)
White people are the most prejudiced and unattractive race, they're jealous.

17 min later 4511801 Anonymous
I would say it's because the other countries were fucking themselves over by not wanting to explore and expand. China was probably the closest to colonizing and expanding from their native territories, but ended up saying 'fuck it' to the expedition and staying isolated. Also apparently after the Mongol invasion and settlement there was a big burning of Chinese texts and such, ones that couldn't be found elsewhere. So that's a lot of knowledge lost.

17 min later 4511802 Anonymous
yeah, that Jared Diamond drivel. someone should post that rome 2000 years ago africa now pic.

17 min later 4511805 WhitePeopleAreRacist (22683_4878278037986_1018531138_n.jpg 960x720 96kB)
>>4511801 White men can not into knowledge

18 min later 4511815 Anonymous
>>4511643 Read Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Dimond TL;DR >>4511663 sums it up pretty well, with almost all our domestic staples, except for the potato and maize, coming from Eurasia.

19 min later 4511819 WhitePeopleAreRacist (whitepeople.jpg 403x526 37kB)
White people are mean and smell like lemon.

22 min later 4511842 Anonymous
All non-racist explanations are wrong. It's because white people are inherently more intelligent.

26 min later 4511890 Anonymous
>>4511801 This is the biggest flaw in Diamond. In China's case one single emperor changed everything. China was exploring the world, building lots of ships and trading with east Africa, India and other areas nearby. They may or may not have considered colonizing the Americas but that's never been concretely proved one way or the other. Anyways, one single emperor decided to pack up all the ships and stop the trade process. 200 years of progress, innovation and technology were all scrapped because one guy was a fucking idiot. History has an element of randomness to it. European/American civilization was changed forever because Spanish commanders couldn't read waves correctly and wrecked an entire armada. Japanese culture remained separate because a monster storm hit at the exact right time. Rome survived Hannibal because Carthaginian commanders were too stupid to set up a supply chain. Trying to make sense of why the world turned out the way it is will only frustrate you.

26 min later 4511894 Anonymous
>>4511775 Where in the book does he say that political/mineral wealth makes a difference? From what I remember, what you say about China would corroborate with what he argued, as he basically was saying that Eurasia had the advantage, not Europeans in particular, and mainly due to their access to many more domesticated plants and animals. Those two periods you mention do indeed make all the difference, but in arguing against what he has to say. If as he says, the advantages of Eurasia were the meaningful ones, why was there any discrepancy between Europe and China at all?

27 min later 4511901 Anonymous
>>4511842 Technically if you believe in strong divergence of the races the east Asians are slightly more intelligent than whites. The area that whites excel in is innovation as they are 2nd best in intelligence and 2nd best in strength. Again, if you believe in that sort of thing.

29 min later 4511906 Anonymous
>>4511901 Man, when did the users of 4chan and the users of Reddit become the same? This place never used to be full of politically correct liberals.

31 min later 4511929 Anonymous
What OP said: >Is there a non-racist explanation for Europeans taking over the world? What OP really meant: >Is there an anti-white explanation for Europeans taking over the world?

32 min later 4511939 Anonymous
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32 min later 4511943 Anonymous
>>4511906 >man people aren't being 2EDGY4FACTS racists >fucking reddit man If you want to circlejerk with other 16 year olds who just read Ayn Rand for the first time and think they're edgy by talking about "the Jews" I have a place for you >>>/pol/ Run along now junior

34 min later 4511959 Reegus Philmon Prime Minister of Earth
NEGRO =ORIGIN WHITEY = YETI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! ! ! We are fucking YETEeeeeeezzzzzz !!!!

36 min later 4511975 Anonymous
>>4511894 Mineral wealth was posited as a theory as to why some civilizations found their way to the Iron Age and others couldn't. Also the claim that the west had greater access to fossil fuels aided their development and industrialization. This is categorically false. The reason that the west took superiority over China was due to 1 bad emperor (covered here: >>4511890 ) and because the Muslims cut the Europeans off from Chinese trade. A political decision made outside the flow of both civilizations changed them both forever. If China didn't stop building ships and Europe didn't start all in the name of trade things would have never worked out the way they did militarily. China would have likely taken over and exploited Europe instead of the other way around.

36 min later 4511977 Anonymous
>>4511943 >everyone who doesn't go on Reddit and think women and black people are oppressed is an edgy teenager Okay, get back to Reddit, bro. >>4511939 >implying they are The biggest sign that Reddit is full of liberals is that they think their site is full of racists, but it isn't. Only a liberal would so liberally declare racism.

38 min later 4511992 Anonymous
>>4511977 >>>/b/ This is 4chan's teen board

41 min later 4512013 Anonymous
>>4511992 Not even going to bother. If you genuinely think I'm a teenager then you're a complete idiot.

42 min later 4512017 Anonymous
>>4512013 He's giving you credit bro. If you're 15 and still in your OHSOEDGY period then you're stupid but at least it might improve. If you're in your 20s and still like that you're just a fucking idiot who prefers simple dogma to actual facts.

42 min later 4512021 Anonymous
>>4512013 The edges on your post are so sharp I cut myself just reading them If you want a racist Aryan circlejerk see where everyone who disagrees with you is a redditor or liberal see >>>/pol/ and if you're 15, get bullied by black kids in school, and dislike how most mainstream music is made by blacks see >>>/b/

42 min later 4512024 Anonymous
Fun fact: Homo sapiens originated in sub-Saharan Africa, and the ones that became European/Asian races migrated north These early Eurasian people that went north fucked neanderthals, and because of that, all white and Asian people have neanderthal DNA >yfw black people are the only ones that AREN'T subhuman

43 min later 4512025 Anonymous
>Europeans taking over the world What is this? The 19th century?

43 min later 4512028 Anonymous
>>4512021 > inb4 I'm suddenly nonwhite, a race traitor, a regular Redditor or have no experience with black people > mfw I'm a white guy living in Harlem with only black friends

45 min later 4512043 Anonymous
>>4512021 The liberalness in your post is so strong that I cut myself reading it. If you want a liberal, pro-black circlejerk where everyone who disagrees with you is an edgy teenager, see: >>>/reddit/ >inb4 you call me edgy or a teenager

47 min later 4512051 Anonymous
>>4512043 >pro-black Nothing in this thread is pro-black. You've basically created an argument (and lost it). That's some trick to actually create a strawman and lose to it.

48 min later 4512053 Anonymous
>>4512024 >yfw being human is actually being best of homo sapiens and neanderthal

48 min later 4512055 Anonymous
>>4512043 > implying I'm even a liberal > implying not being an edgy racist makes you problack Stormfront pls go

1 hours later 4512166 Anonymous
the theory involving coldness doesn't stand up because norther whites and asians didn't make any advanced tech they were called barbarians by mediterraneans

1 hours later 4512169 Anonymous
>>4511815 tomatoes come from the americas too. what were italians eating before then? I've wondered ever since I learned that.

1 hours later 4512227 Anonymous
>>4512166 hmm that's a good point. If it was the cold then innovation and stuff would've happened wayy sooner but before and during the dark ages a lot of native american civilizations were more advanced than Europeans. Also greeks/romans were in a warmish climate, just not as warm as africa. Mesoamerica has always been warm/hot and their civilizations kicked ass.

1 hours later 4512236 Anonymous
>>4512053 >yfw being human is exactly what it sounds like. being homo sapiens sapiens.

1 hours later 4512242 Anonymous
Look at all these niggers and chinks and jews and mudslimes that are jealous of the superior brain of the Aryan man. How does it feel that your ancestors never accomplished anything of worth? How does it feel to know you are inferior to me in most all aspects? Shine my fucking shoe, you worthless pigs while I piggy back you into the future with my technological, medical and scientific advances. You all make me sick.

1 hours later 4512255 Anonymous
>>4512227 yeah man i always wonder what it would be like today if those american civilizations stayed instead of falling

1 hours later 4512313 Anonymous
>>4511975 well, I think it also had to do with the fact that Europe was a lot of fragmented states, while China was a centralized behemoth. The fragmented states couldn't afford to throw away scientific discoveries, because if they did, they'd just get fucked over in the end by someone who embraced them. Thus, Europe got all Industrial, while China stayed medieval. Also, anyone have a link to the Chinese emperor that threw out science? Wikipedia is fine.

1 hours later 4512319 Anonymous
>>4512169 Apparently mice were a Roman delicacy.

1 hours later 4512322 Anonymous
Is there a non-racist explanation for the multi cultural takeover of Europe?

1 hours later 4512325 Anonymous
>>4512255 Aztecs would be complaining about paleface illegal immigrants taking their jobs and such. Or maybe they'd just sacrifice them all. I dunno. Slavery sure wouldn't have happened the same way and Europe would probably be less wealthy now and more isolated because exploitation over here got a lot of nations off their feet with wealth and resources from colonies.

1 hours later 4512334 Anonymous
>>4512242 Jews and Asians are on average more intelligent and successful than whites. Why are you holding on to contributions to humanity that you personally did not make? How's it feel knowing Jewish people receive the majority of Nobel Peace Prizes? That no one wanted to vote for the white guy with the "superior brain" but rather the black guy who knew what the hell he was doing? How does it feel knowing despite your "superior" genetics you'll never accomplish anything?

1 hours later 4512345 Anonymous
>>4512322 Well if I put colonies all over the world and take over lots of areas and promote my values, aesthetics, politics, economics and general culture to the native populations as I deplete their resources for several centuries I would expect the people who grow up idolizing my culture to want to come live with me because I now have all the good shit.

1 hours later 4512354 Anonymous
>>4512322 Europe=nice place People want to move to nice places. That work?

1 hours later 4512529 Anonymous
>>4512255 American civilizations fell because of plague and disease more than anything else. The Europeans showed up and remarked at how many Indians there were. You could see the Indian fires in the American northeast for miles out to sea. Then they came back later and wondered where all the Indians went. 90% or more in some areas all died on exposure to Europeans. So really it doesn't matter how advanced those civilizations were, they were going to lose to smallpox anyways.

1 hours later 4512546 Anonymous
>>4512354 but it won't be nice anymore when they move there in droves

1 hours later 4512565 Anonymous
>>4512354 Europe=nice place Asia=rice place Africa=lice place Northern Europe=ice place

1 hours later 4512571 Anonymous
>>4512313 http://asianhistory.about.com/od/china/f/zhenghefaq.htm

1 hours later 4512594 Anonymous
Competition between Countries that have been rivals scince last thursday Drove any nation with a Port to throw the undesirables and the "Holy shit look at all this money" Tier merchants onto a boat. See: Ireland and the O-G pilgrims. And Cuba,and Spain,and Deuschland,and Norway.

2 hours later 4512631 Anonymous
I'm not sure how valid geographic determinism is really, but it makes sense to me. Guns Germs and Steel and whatnot.

2 hours later 4512764 Anonymous
>>4512631 Genetics are tied to geography though. Which is why Europeans don't look like Africans or Asians or Oceanians.

2 hours later 4512769 Anonymous
>>4512565 we nappy headed folk don't get lice often

5 hours later 4514570 Anonymous
In G,G & S, Diamond said that people from tribal societies were very possibly SMARTER ON AVERAGE than those whose ancestors have lived in civilization for multiple generations. This is because, while in tribal societies only the strongest and smartest had significant progeny, in the civilizations with greater healthcare and social services, those with inferior genetics were (and are) able to have many children, and those genes would of course spread throughout that society. Example: In Papua New Guinea, if you have poor eyesight, you're quite unlikely to have many offspring for obvious, survival of the fittest type reasons. In the cities of a civilization, however, there is treatment and support for you and your shitty eyes, i.e. glasses. You are thus at less of a disadvantage, likely to have more children, and spread your inferior genes around. TL;DR- people in tribal societies are smarter, stronger, better because tough environment weeds out cripples and retards, civilization lets them breed and spread their genes. Can anyone refute this?

9 hours later 4516328 Anonymous
>>4511674 >Christianity >religion founded in the Middle East lrn2history

9 hours later 4516500 Anonymous
>>4514570 Civilisation allows specialisation which leads to scientific progress, if your scientists are out hunting and trying to survive urga beating his head with a rock there wouldn't be any progress.

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