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2014-05-23 07:57 11807048 Anonymous (Politics and things.png 1375x729 70kB)
I'm curious, robots. What are your political views?

5 min later 11807109 Anonymous
>>11807048 Paleolibertariamism bro. It's good to be free to do what you want.

9 min later 11807148 Anonymous
>>11807109 I agree, though being a leftist (16), I'd imagine that we have quite different views on how a free people should organize itself.

24 min later 11807282 Anonymous (Politics.png 500x500 141kB)
I'll post an alternative chart as well. If you aren't sure, you can also take a test at http://politicalcompass.org/.

37 min later 11807398 Anonymous
Can we please talk about this? I'm tired of feels threads.

39 min later 11807425 Anonymous
>>11807148 Well man I would be a leftist if people didn't have emotions. That's quite literally the thing that breaks it down.

41 min later 11807437 Anonymous
>>11807425 Care to elaborate anon? How does the left not account for human emotion?

41 min later 11807442 Anonymous
Free market nationalism or fascism

44 min later 11807460 Anonymous
>>11807437 It places trust in the fact people will not cheat the system in place. Also it does not put into account that people have ambition to get more and more. Let's take a culture such as say the vulcans in Star Trek where they purge their emotions and work solely on logic and promotion of a collective versus a individualistic culture as the modern United States where it's based off ambition and individualism. How would such systems account for such cultural differences?

47 min later 11807492 poland (pcgraph.png 480x400 2kB)
leftist-fascist here it seems that brobots are pretty libertarian

59 min later 11807613 Anonymous
>>11807460 >How would such systems account for such cultural differences? The move toward a libertarian socialist society would obviously be a slow one, allowing for a gradual shift in culture. >Also it does not put into account that people have ambition to get more and more. I'm not sure how this is a problem. There is no reason that one in a libertarian socialist society cannot acquire "more", given that the individual or group actually has legitimate need for such material. >It places trust in the fact people will not cheat the system in place. Provide some examples of how you think the system would be cheated. Sorry if I don't explain well, I have a lot of difficulty translating my thoughts to actual language.

1 hours later 11807640 Anonymous
>>11807492 >Leftist-fascist You're a fucking retard. Go get medicated you bipolar maggot.

1 hours later 11807673 Anonymous
I believe in aristocracy.

1 hours later 11807696 Anonymous
>>11807613 >given that the individual or group actually has legitimate need for such material. Not all people will settle with what the just need. That's where I say that the natural human is a greedy creature. We fight for the best mates households and incomes need isn't going to cut it for everyone. >provide examples of how you think the system would be cheated There is no perfect system. Every system has a flaw and someone will always find and exploit the flaw. When people want more they will exploit to get it. If we could invent a flawless system then we wouldn't be in half the shit people around the world are in now. Also that's cool you can speak more than one language bro, I can barely get my Japanese down.

1 hours later 11807708 54m50n
somewhere between 16 and 17. some government is necessary, but it should be very local and interfere with people's lives as little as possible

1 hours later 11807787 Anonymous
17 - social democat going by that, sounds boot right

1 hours later 11807824 Anonymous (pcgraphpng.png 480x400 2kB)
>>11807048 I don't like government telling people what's right or wrong and punishing them

1 hours later 11807854 Anonymous
18-20, depending on the issue. From a US perspective I generally support states' rights.

1 hours later 11807879 Anonymous (pcgraphpng.png 480x400 2kB)
>>11807048 If I were the one in power, this would be very different.

1 hours later 11807882 Anonymous
(-7,-4) I'll fight for your right to fuck black faggots, faggots.

1 hours later 11807902 Anonymous (internet tests.png 2864x1982 1059kB)
I'm usually a 16 on that chart. I believe our government should only provide one role- protection. Protection from enemies foreign with a national guard, protection from enemies internal with a (much smaller) police force, as well as economical protection to keep the greedy kike bankers from ruining the nation. It's inexcusable the extent to which corporations and banks rule this country presently.

1 hours later 11807904 Anonymous
Economic Left/Right: -4.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13 That makes me a libertarian socialist, I guess?

1 hours later 11807909 Anonymous
>>11807492 Other than being able to switch off and go through life like a robot pun not intended I don't see the appeal of extreme government control over our personal lives.

1 hours later 11807922 Anonymous (MyTests.png 1200x900 81kB)
>>11807902 Here's mine. It's much less detailed, but you get the point. Feel free to r8 me robots.

1 hours later 11807931 Anonymous
>>11807048 I'm probably somewhere around the left portion of number three.

1 hours later 11807942 Anonymous
>>11807048 Leaning toward 31. Seems to me that all these "laws" and "morals" are simply lines drawn that people draw in the sand. Yeah we have the higher cognitive functioning to remove ourselves from violence and barbarity but there is no true moral compass. 'Right' and 'Wrong' are just things that we decide that we wouldn't want done to us and wouldn't necessarily want done to other people. But when it comes down to it, the only reason these laws are upheld is for fear of repercussion. If they couldn't be upheld then they wouldn't exist.

1 hours later 11807946 54m50n
>>11807902 it should also provide infrastructure, education and healthcare though, since privatized versions of those usually mean worse service at a higher price

1 hours later 11807950 Anonymous
>>11807931 >fascist do you really have that much trust in the government?

1 hours later 11807957 Anonymous
>>11807048 democratic socialism GOAT system

1 hours later 11807975 Anonymous
>>11807950 The issue with fascism comes with the people who run it. Compare nazi Germany and Franco's Spain. Adolf Hitler manage to get his country out of the Great Depression in two years while Spain struggled along until the 50s. Fascism only works if the leaders are competent otherwise it's no different than any other dictatorship.

1 hours later 11807990 Anonymous
>>11807975 a-are you seriously trying to paint the nazis in a positive light?

1 hours later 11808008 Anonymous
>>11807946 >it should also provide infrastructure I'm personally tired of seeing all these roads getting built that go to nowhere. I live next to this highway they've been "expanding" for six years now, and it knocks out my internet connection every single night. The old road was just fine, yet they're expanding this one and they're gonna put another goddamn toll on the thing when they're done. My tax money built the thing, but they're gonna charge me a fee for using it. The government needs to stay the hell away from the vast majority of infrastructure. >education Public school systems are currently a joke. Maybe they could be improved, but it seems like any government involvement with them messes things up more. >healthcare I agree here. No man should be charged 400 dollars for an aspirin.

1 hours later 11808009 Anonymous
Fuck off, honeypot operation.

1 hours later 11808021 Anonymous
Anarcho-Collectivsm to Social Democracy. I believe that people should work together, but in the end, it's their lives and they should be responsible for their own actions.

1 hours later 11808025 Anonymous
>>11807990 I only give credit where credit was due. Now on the other hand they where stupid when it came to incorporating areas such as general government but no system is perfect.

1 hours later 11808027 Anonymous
>>11807990 I bet you don't even know what Nazi stands for without Googling it to cheat and probably think Nazi is the dictionary definition of racist. What next, 6 million dying is worse than the 40 million killed by Stalin or Mao?

1 hours later 11808037 Anonymous
>>11808027 >6 million Why does no one bother to remember the other 6 million? Fucking kikes.

1 hours later 11808038 Anonymous (politicalcompass.png 513x497 12kB)
Left of center. Liberal on most issues except maybe gun control and affirmative action. I hate US politics.

1 hours later 11808069 Anonymous
>>11808037 Why do they think 6 million Jews is worse than the remaining 14 million killed in WW2?

1 hours later 11808090 Anonymous (1367470883798.png 373x327 194kB)
>>11808027 Oh wow, it's this guy again. I'm not the guy you originally replied to, nor do I even think that totalitarianism can't be really effective or beneficial. My problem is that the scope is generally too broad, rather than being focused on certain areas of the greatest impact.

1 hours later 11808114 Anonymous
>>11808090 >Pointing out that 40 million dead is worse than 6 million dead is edgy You're the reason words like edgy devolve to mean "Anything I don't like".

1 hours later 11808122 54m50n
>>11808008 I agree that education is fucked, but public infrastructure is totally fixable. instead of spending money on freeway expansion, money should be spent on taking cars off the road. higher gas taxes, more public transportation, increased residential density, and eventually a ban on cars in the highest traffic areas. would be good for the environment, economy, and public health

1 hours later 11808128 Anonymous
>>11808027 >are you actually trying to paint Nazi's in a positive light >HURR WELL STALIN KILLED MORE PEOPLE fucking idiot

1 hours later 11808142 Anonymous
>>11807950 I trust them more than any other option. Plus,the system solves class tension better than any of the others.

1 hours later 11808151 Anonymous
>>11808128 never understood how that one worked myself. >you fucked up >well, he fucked up MORE, so there! >uhhhh

1 hours later 11808161 Anonymous
I consider myself to support social democracy, which is also what I got on that chart. Social democracy is the best system that has ever been tried.

1 hours later 11808164 Anonymous
>>11808128 >tfw i just wanted to point out that governments are only as effective as the people in charge >now 6trillion joooz died remember Mao requiring more minerals muh cultural reburtion Fuck off /pol/ this isn't how you redpill you fucking faggots.

1 hours later 11808167 Anonymous
Libertarian-left. I believe we should go back to city states. Happiness of the individual is too hard to achieve when you are limited by a government too big to care about you personally.

1 hours later 11808197 54m50n
>>11808167 agreed, government should be as local as possible. though there should still be something to unify said city states, so there isn't constant war/you don't have to change currencies every time you travel 50 miles or so

1 hours later 11808213 Anonymous
>>11808151 >>11808128 I defend Fascism and I hate that argument. Condemning mass killings is betraying your ideology.

1 hours later 11808221 Anonymous
>>11808197 wouldn't that fall apart the instant some major foreign power wants to fuck with you? you'd be too splintered to put up solid resistance, military/cultural/economic/etc.

2 hours later 11808266 Anonymous
>>11808114 I don't even disagree completely with the point you are trying to make. Calling it edgy is partially serious, partially jest because I knew I'd get a rise out of it But you're still essentially saying that National Socialism was beneficial for Germany, which it was, if you compare its cost to other totalitarian regimes.

2 hours later 11808275 Anonymous
>>11808197 Let there be wars if people want to make them. That's the point. At this level of localization, they would be more akin to skirmishes. >>11808221 It would only work if the entire world plays along. Yes, I know, that's not going to happen.

2 hours later 11808296 Anonymous
>>11808221 Yes, it would. There were good reasons for the city states/principalities of old to unify.

2 hours later 11808297 Anonymous
>>11808161 I wouldn't mind it if those parties didn't support mass 3rd world immigration. A system like that would be excellent with a homogeneous population.

2 hours later 11808302 Anonymous
Government inheritly has a better potential to make the life better for citizens than corporations and free market has. The government allows people of passion and pride of their work to dominate the organization, while the highest goal of the corporation is to make as much money as possible, and has a natural tendency to making the product as bad as possible while still maintaining their position. So I think the government should run important things, while keeping an awareness of things that can make it inefficient. That's what'll provide the best service for the citizens.

2 hours later 11808339 Anonymous
>>11808266 My first post was about the 6 million m8. But yes it did get them up on their feet again. Hitler was a fucking mong though with his two front war bullshit, letting the Brits go at Dunkirk, switching from attacking the RAF when they were about to collapse to attack London because he got pissy over Berlin I think? getting bombed. He could've had the world in his hands and he went full retard, meaning we're stuck with a world where Nationalist is viewed as racist, and the Jews have the ultimate cop-out card in the Holocaust.

2 hours later 11808341 54m50n
>>11808275 yeah, but people would still die, money would still be wasted, etc. would be much better to have some kind of confederation of city states, so disputes can be settled and agreements can be made about trade, mutual infrastructure, etc

2 hours later 11808383 Anonymous
>>11808341 War is inherent in human nature. Most of our inventions that we have today, the level of tech that we have today, is thanks to war.

2 hours later 11808398 Anonymous
>>11808341 That would go against the whole idea. One can only trust himself to represent himself, once you start sending people to represent you and make decisions for you/the rest of the state,they WILL disappoint eventually. By then, the process of replacing them would be too slow to be effective.

2 hours later 11808400 Anonymous
>>11808197 please stop posting. every single post you've made in this thread has been myoptic and there is considerable contradiction bother inter- and intra post. >government should be as local as possible >but there should be governmental agencies that opperate at a higher level to limit those local governments.

2 hours later 11808427 Anonymous
>>11808400 He just said each state should work independently but come together in times of need. That isn't really a contradiction.

2 hours later 11808488 Anonymous
>>11808339 Sure. But I would even say that the German success in the war would have been greater had it been possible to allow for the military to plan for itself, but that was impossible under such a political system.

2 hours later 11808503 Anonymous
>>11808339 >two front war bullshit, did he really have a choice in that, though? the ussr was going to bite the nazis in the ass sooner or later.

2 hours later 11808515 Anonymous
>>11808427 he said that the city states shouldn't have control of their currency, and that disagreements should be dealt with according to laws existig outside of the city states. The control of a nation's currency and the control of it's boarders are the two most important aspects of a nation. It is the same doublethink that has people thinking that private investment and innoation is the best thing for markets, yet should be kept out of education, healthcare, and law because they're too important.

2 hours later 11808522 Anonymous
>>11808503 Sure the Russians would have probably become aggressive eventually, but later down the timeline. When Barbarossa began the Russians were woefully unprepared.

2 hours later 11808523 Anonymous
>>11808503 Well there wouldn't have been a two front war if he'd crushed the RAF which means the Brits lose at that point. But because he stopped right when the RAF were about to collapse, they were able to regroup and rebuild. Then there's the whole "Oh hey, let's openly declare war on the United States, what could possibly go wrong?"

2 hours later 11808549 Anonymous
>>11808522 err, isn't the whole point to attack before they're prepared...?

2 hours later 11808565 54m50n
>>11808515 disagreements between said city states. it would be much more fair to settle said disputes by laws all the city states (or all the ones in the area those two are in) agree on than to have one arbitrarily rule over the other and/or both exhaust each other in war. also, the currency thing is mostly for ease of trade/travel, it's not practical for each small area to have its own incompatible monetary system

2 hours later 11808569 Anonymous
>>11808549 But then the Germans are the bad guys. If the USSR backstabs then Germany could've maybe even gotten US backing if he'd by that point made the UK surrender. Seriously the world was against Communism at that point and before WW2 there was a lot of Anti Jewish Sentiment

2 hours later 11808572 Anonymous (pcgraphpng.png 480x400 2kB)
apparently anarcho-primitivist or anarcho-communist.

2 hours later 11808593 Anonymous
>>11808569 the americans would have never sided with someone who had just clobbered the british into submission.

2 hours later 11808607 Anonymous
>>11808549 Yes. I really don't have an issue with them starting Barbarossa when they did. After all, they came damn close to achieving what they set out to do.

2 hours later 11808609 Anonymous
>>11808593 They would've had to choose side with Commies or side with the side that forced Britain onto it's side. Unless you're seriously telling me the sentiment in Post WW2 was that the wrong beast was slain?

2 hours later 11808618 Anonymous
>>11808565 Conflict will always be a part of living in a nation of any kind. It's the internal conflicts that are resolved with this system, not the external. A number of city states being unified is another form of large-scale nations.

2 hours later 11808633 Anonymous
12 ideologies are stupid

2 hours later 11808638 Anonymous
>>11808609 would have probably just stayed out of europe at that point, maybe keep supplying arms to british guerrilla forces. i guess japan gets fucked over twice as hard?

2 hours later 11808640 Anonymous
>>11808569 No chance on US support. America was firmly aligned with the British before hostilities began. Also, lend-lease was a thing. America isn't just going to dump over half a trillion (of today's) dollars of material down the drain.

2 hours later 11808644 Anonymous
>>11808633 Not having opinions is stupid.

2 hours later 11808650 Anonymous
>>11808640 But if Britain is now under Axis control, the Americans only way into a war against the Nazis is gone.

2 hours later 11808665 Anonymous
>>11808633 Only ideologies that don't work. If you follow your ideology and ignore the facts it's stupid, but if you have the same ideology as me it's not stupid.

2 hours later 11808675 Anonymous
>>11808650 How? Or is that also assuming a North African victory for the Germans aswell?

2 hours later 11808687 Anonymous
>>11808675 Yeah, absolute victory for the Nazis and all that's left is the war between Nazi Europe and it's conquered territory vs the USSR. I can't see the Americans defending Communism.

4 hours later 11809964 Anonymous
I used to be more le edgy libertarian when I was in college, but two years of being a NEET and then finally getting a job and being poor as fuck and whatnot have given me more life experience and less of a belief in anything. I believe business should mostly be left alone, but a lot of money should also be put into public infrastructure like transit, roads, and other such facilities. People should marry whoever they want, but not whatever they want. Parents should not decide a kid's gender. A strong military is good, but we should limit where we place troops and stay out of other countries' business. Social security and medicare are stupid and I'll never get to see those benefits myself so I don't believe I should pay them. Nationalized healthcare is in some ways a good idea but only if it is truly nationalized (or at least state-run), not this subsidized private bullshit. Now according to the test, my dot has moved up and to the left from where it used to be, putting me somewhere in the Activism section (-1, -3.23). Dunno what that really means, considering I can't be assed to help myself most of the time.

4 hours later 11810000 Anonymous
Ideology is cancer. Contrarianism is where it's at.

5 hours later 11810224 Anonymous (meh.png 480x400 2kB)
not sure what this is....neo-liberal?

5 hours later 11810293 Anonymous
>>11810224 Something like social democracy.

5 hours later 11810330 Anonymous
I'm probably neoconservative.

5 hours later 11810420 Anonymous
>>11810224 Neo-liberal is purple. Green is more progressive.

5 hours later 11810459 Anonymous
>>11807048 Socialism, and Communism can only work in a completely white environment. Niggers, spics, and asians can take a hike.

5 hours later 11810503 Anonymous (btrt.jpg 627x419 40kB)
The usual. Pic related.

5 hours later 11810588 Anonymous (pcgraphpng.png 480x400 2kB)
I'm a Libertarian Socialist. I only believe in socialism for the young though. Give those born into poverty the means to get a good education and become productive citizens. Give everyone that really, I think we should offer college courses and vocational programs free of charge to our young people like many Euro countries do. Adults and the elderly shouldn't get jack shit though. After you've been given the opportunity for upwards mobility and failed to capitalize on it, that's your problem, and it's your own responsibility to save for your old age, not the government's. I think a free market is highly preferable and the best system, and it is important for small business to thrive, as such they should have few limits put on them outside of remaining honest, keeping pollution within reasonable bounds, and not putting consumers health and safety at risk. Large corporations and banks require stricter regulations, monopolies must be stopped, and investment strategies must not take undue risk in the interest of making a quick profit as this leads to financial collapse.

5 hours later 11810603 Anonymous
>>11810588 I don't think you're actually a libertarian socialist, regardless of what that chart says.

5 hours later 11810626 Anonymous
>>11810603 Yeah I never really considered myself a socialist, more of a capitalism with limits person. Based on my beliefs stated what do you think I'd be?

5 hours later 11810641 Anonymous
>>11810626 I'm not sure how I'd define your views, actually. It's an odd combination.

5 hours later 11810660 Anonymous
>>11807048 That the current democratic system is stale and old. We need to start improving it.

5 hours later 11810720 Anonymous
>>11807048 According to that chart, if I did it right, I am either a "classical liberal" or "paleoliberal".

5 hours later 11810765 Anonymous
>>11807048 Lol at that bias. Libertarians deserve death.

5 hours later 11810805 Anonymous
>>11810765 Authoritarians deserve worse.

5 hours later 11810823 Anonymous
>>11810805 Exactly why you deserve a slow death, you refuse to bow to your superiors.

5 hours later 11810824 Anonymous
>>11810805 Who is going to impart your gay little idea of justice upon the evil authoritarian alphas who hurt your faggy feels? Certainly not libershitstain jizzstains.

5 hours later 11810847 Anonymous
>>11810823 >you refuse to bow to your superiors I'd won't bow for any man. >>11810824 I wish I knew the answer to that question, anon.

5 hours later 11810866 Anonymous
>>11810847 >I'd won't I also refuse to speak English properly, apparently.

6 hours later 11810874 Anonymous
>>11810847 All animals bow to man.u

6 hours later 11810918 CheshireCat
I believe in love.

6 hours later 11810935 Anonymous
>>11810918 That's a good one, robot.

6 hours later 11810937 Anonymous
>>11810918 DIE NlGGER

6 hours later 11811030 Anonymous
>>11808644 What if my opinion is that case-by-case basis judgments are fantastic and painting issues with a broad ideological brush is a terrible idea?

6 hours later 11811056 Anonymous
>>11811030 Then you aren't actually a centrist. The idea that some generalizations can't be made is also fucking stupid, because it creates more work than is necessary to come to a successful conclusion on any given issue. Of course no one should subscribe specifically to one ideology, but most people exhibit certain trends in their views that can be generally described as one ideology or another.

6 hours later 11811117 Anonymous
>>11807048 Traditional Liberal Right. But not this new shitty form of Left Liberalism where it's "muh (censored) free speech" where I can't say nigger without getting arrested for thought crime by trans-race trans-abled trans-sex trans-gender un-non-dis-binary-octagonal-sexuala ty trans-species otherkin though police.

6 hours later 11811164 Anonymous
According to that chart, either Libertarian or Minarchist, depending on how much I hate the government that day. Gov't is necessary, but not for half the shit it does now.

7 hours later 11811641 Anonymous
>>11807048 Fascist-bordering-on-Stalinist master race.

7 hours later 11812230 Anonymous
>>11811164 Come left a bit and you're good to go.

8 hours later 11812456 Anonymous (10384907_641579682597827_6220785775340667820_n.png 720x540 485kB)
Julius Evola was a gentleman and a scholar.

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