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2014-01-09 05:30 10199176 Anonymous (9244712-md.jpg 679x470 52kB)
What do you guys think of marriage/having children and do you think this'll ever happen in your life time?

1 min later 10199191 Anonymous
people get married and have kids all the time

2 min later 10199208 Anonymous
I don't even know if I'll still be alive by the end of the month. I don't have the luxury of thinking about women much less a family.

3 min later 10199215 Anonymous
>>10199176 i would like to but finding a woman worth marrying is damn near impossible these days. thanks feminism

4 min later 10199227 Anonymous
>>10199176 >What do you guys think of marriage/having children and do you think this'll ever happen in your life time? I think it's a fine thing when it's come at from the right direction. >>10199208 I'm sorry. Want to talk about it?

6 min later 10199248 Anonymous
>>10199215 Not just that, but on my end as a woman, finding a guy I think would be a good father and husband is pretty hard. What are your standards?

11 min later 10199299 Anonymous
>>10199248 Christian, feminine, cute, virgin, somewhat traditional, smart enough to hold decent conversations, tender and sweet, can be silly, is ok with handling money, would make a great mother, submissive (at least in bed)

12 min later 10199311 Anonymous
>>10199248 why not join okcupid and message guys with 99% match?

13 min later 10199338 Anonymous
>>10199311 Because OKcupid does not meet my needs. >>10199299 Those are your absolute standards?

16 min later 10199366 Anonymous
>>10199227 I've been depressed for so long my emotional state is at it's fringes. Whenever I lose something, even small things that I take pride in, I get heavy uncontrollable suicidal urges. Like a maniac doing whatever he can to hurt himself. If I go crazy over the little things I take pride in, image the damage that could be done if I lose someone important to me, or say they betray me. It's for my own good that I isolate myself, but that isolation hurts in it's own way. It's a contradictory imbalance, I can never have the things I want most. Almost like I never had a chance in this world. For that reason I'm starting to give up on happiness altogether.

16 min later 10199374 Anonymous
>>10199338 >Those are your absolute standards? pretty much. might be missing something, Also we obviously have to get along and have mutual attraction why doesnt okcupid meet your needs?

17 min later 10199380 Anonymous
>>10199311 online dating has been proven to be 30% less productive than irl dating. >>10199248 i agree with this much more than this >>10199215 i know lots of great girls but all of my guy friends are generally undateable.

19 min later 10199402 Anonymous
>>10199299 >Christian >virgin >somewhat traditional >submissive (at least in bed) these are the reasons you won't ever be happy

20 min later 10199409 Anonymous
>>10199380 >i know lots of great girls but all of my guy friends are generally undateable. im in the exact opposite shoes. come to southern california, theres tons of great single guys that get overlooked

20 min later 10199411 Anonymous
>>10199374 >pretty much. might be missing something, Also we obviously have to get along and have mutual attraction Got it. Makes me feel a bit better about my own standards. Good luck with yours, anon. >why doesnt okcupid meet your needs? Firstly, the selection of guys in my area are distressingly subpar. In my hometown, they're actually much better, but in my college town, they flat-out suck. Secondly, while at college, I have little means of transport: most people on OKC are accessible to me only by car, and I don't consider weekend visits to be a good way to start a relationship-- either to my dorm or their home. To *continue* an existing and stable one, yes. To create one, no.

21 min later 10199418 Anonymous
>>10199402 I will be when I find her. I have and am currently dating one. doesnt mean theyre not a needle in a haystack though.

21 min later 10199420 Anonymous
>>10199409 >im in the exact opposite shoes. come to southern california, theres tons of great single guys that get overlooked I believe the both of you. I grew up in California, and then spent the rest of my time growing up on the East coast. If the guys on the West coast could meet the girls on the East coast, I actually think we'd be pretty happy.

23 min later 10199439 Anonymous
>>10199411 >Makes me feel a bit better about my own standards those standards were the norm 50 years ago. what the hell happened? Im not asking for any standard I dont hold myself to (or am the equivalent of)

24 min later 10199442 Anonymous
>>10199366 >I'm starting to give up on happiness altogether. Have you considered seeing a therapist? Or are you unable to afford one?

26 min later 10199456 Anonymous
>>10199420 >East coast yeah ive noticed alot of girls that i match 99% on okcupid are from the south east

27 min later 10199466 Anonymous
>marriage In relationships I like to take each day at a time, not bind us together forever so every little problem gets magnified. >children I would be a really shitty parent or even babysitter.

27 min later 10199473 Anonymous
>>10199442 A therapist? Aren't they glorified drug dealers? They don't fix your problems, they just take money for your time and drug you up to forget your problems. For the rare genuine therapist, it would be a waste of their talent and time to try and help me. I've never done anything to warrant help in the first place.

28 min later 10199479 Anonymous
>>10199176 I don't know. When I was in my teens, I used to think that I'd get married at 28 and would have a kid around 30. I'm 25 now and I barely think I can manage a kid or an important relationship. It's incredibly hard to find a girl I feel good with despite my low standards. I've even given up on how the woman looks physically, I'm mainly looking for a girl I feel good with in term of mind and habits. At this point, I don't really care about marriage, it would be to make the girl happy rather than something I want. As for kids, I'm not sure I'll ever have any, I don't think of myself to be fit as a father.

28 min later 10199482 Anonymous
>>10199439 >those standards were the norm 50 years ago. what the hell happened? My standards were also the norm 50 years ago: >cares about his appearance and first impression >dedicated to his children and believes in the importance of family >ambition and a desire to do well in all that he does >witty and sharp >strong >loving >loyal >good provider >intelligent and curious >playful At least, they were the IDEAL norms, if you were an affluent or at least middle-class man. Of course, not everyone in the 50's was like this on either end, it's just that this was the ideal presented in 50's media. You know George from It's A Wonderful Life? I'd marry that sort of man in a heartbeat.

29 min later 10199487 Anonymous
I proposed to a girl and she accepted. But I have to finish about two years of school and find a job before we get married. We've talked about having kids, but we'll probably be in our thirties before that happens. In the meantime, she's a heart transplant patient, so we're dealing with that and keeping our eyes open for advances in the field of open heart surgery, transplants, and 3D printed organs. My opinion on this? Health insurance will certainly be an issue. In fact, her biggest worry is that she'll lose her meds or that they stop working for some reason. That's the thing about transplants in general. Just because you've got a new organ doesn't mean everything is fine. Your body won't recognise the DNA and will basically try to kill it. Which is why she takes the meds she does.

30 min later 10199492 Anonymous
>>10199473 >Aren't they glorified drug dealers? That's a psychiatrist. A therapist talks to you. I've found mine to be very helpful. >I've never done anything to warrant help in the first place. That's the kind of outlook they'd try to get you to grow out of, because it's not healthy and stops you from reaching your potential as a person. Life is about mistakes and growing, not about wallowing and not being worthy or warranted.

32 min later 10199516 Anonymous
>>10199482 >I'd marry that sort of man in a heartbeat. I'm pretty damn close to those standards. I know tons of single guys who are. I'm not as charismatic and energetic as George though, years of living in this crap culture did a number on me, hanging in there relatively fine though. Also my ambition isnt focused on money and consumer lifestyle, usually a deal breaker with women in my area.

33 min later 10199523 Anonymous
Not married but I have many children. I think I fucked up.

33 min later 10199528 Anonymous
>>10199516 cont. I basically feel like George when he was going through his struggles. Most of /r9k/ probably does.

35 min later 10199536 Anonymous
>>10199516 >Also my ambition isnt focused on money and consumer lifestyle George's ambition was to travel the world, but he never lost sight of what else was important in his life. And he always worked to keep the Bailey Building and Loan place up and running and out of Potter's hands, even when Potter outright tried to buy him. Remember that. Basically, I stand by what I said: West coast men and East coast girls would probably work spectacularly together. Too bad they're on opposite ends of the continent, by their very definition.

36 min later 10199548 Anonymous
>>10199409 >southern california bleeech

36 min later 10199560 Anonymous
>>10199487 Sounds like a big risk for her to have kids. My wife has lupus and there was a big chance that our kid was going to have heart defects and such because of her immune system. We got pretty lucky and had a perfectly healthy kid, but I'm not pressing my luck, we're not having any more. Plus kids are expensive as fuck. On top of insuring them, buying them diapers and clothes and food and everything else, you have to start saving for college the minute they're born. And you're looking at about $500/month. Per kid.

38 min later 10199574 Anonymous
Wouldn't get married until my mid-late 20's, only if I found the right girl. Pretty sure I'd like kids someday though not positive.

38 min later 10199578 Anonymous
>>10199536 Yes indeed. The sick irony is men like George all get friendzoned these days and all the girls are like that skanky girl (forgot her name).

39 min later 10199592 Anonymous
>>10199548 haha I dont blame you for a sec. Im moving out of this hell hole in a couple years unless my bro starts his business and i get involved

40 min later 10199598 Anonymous
24 years old and still don't want to marry and have kids. I'd have no disposable income, no personal freedom, no peace and quiet, I'd have to commit to one woman for the rest of my life which I think is absurd, she'd probably want a divorce down the line anyway and on top of all that I'd be shitting on the environment by introducing 2 or 3 more humans into existence. I'm not trying to be some edgy, rebellious teenager, I simply don't see how I could possibly enjoy getting married and having kids, at least not with everything I know now and everything I've experienced up to this point.

41 min later 10199614 Anonymous
>>10199560 Actually, with the medications she's on, its possible. But she's had her heart since she was THREE WEEKS old. So what could happen is anyone's guess. Even doctors I've spoken to don't really know. The downside of what she takes though is that her immune system is weaker. Right now she's been "quarantined" away from her sick family for a month because they have the flu.

41 min later 10199617 Anonymous
>>10199578 >The sick irony is men like George all get friendzoned these days I don't even know if that's true or not, because I haven't seen them at all. The men I see get friendzoned tend to be your average beta, who doesn't really fit the list I gave. But I'll find out if I ever go back to california again.

43 min later 10199638 Anonymous
>>10199617 >your average beta, who doesn't really fit the list I gave. thats where your dead wrong. the average beta IS George. George isnt a Chad at all. hes a man who desires love and a family and just a decent spot in life. pretty much defines average beta. the reason average men are struggling so hard these days is the economy and the culture that hates them

44 min later 10199652 Anonymous
>>10199638 cont. this is exactly what women arent seeming to understand when they reject us and we get jaded

46 min later 10199675 Anonymous
>>10199176 I've been married for almost 6 years man. I don't know if I'd ever want kids though.

47 min later 10199694 Anonymous
>>10199638 >the average beta IS George. I listed: >cares about his appearance and first impression Which many betas neglect. They grow neckbeards, don't take care of their appearance, just go in whatever they feel like pulling on. No real care at all. >strong Speaks for itself. >ambition and a desire to do well in all that he does A lot of betas have little ambition and are lazy. I've also found quite a few with an entitlement complex, as well. >loyal I've met quite a few who also thought that sexting other girls was okay. They're you're average chubby neckbeards, I kid you not, and knew they were being jerked around by this other girl, but didn't care. >good provider A lot of them fail this as well. I've yet to meet a shy, quiet, hard-working and introverted fella who has all of that. They're always missing at least two of the above, not to mention the rest I mentioned. Face it anon, they're like golden snidgets. Rare as fuck, nearly extinct.

49 min later 10199719 Anonymous
>>10199694 youre confusing an omega with a beta. a common thing on /r9k/ for some unknown reason. this board is half beta provider type who can function just fine in society (George). the rest are omegas

51 min later 10199734 Anonymous
>>10199719 >youre confusing an omega with a beta. I've still yet to meet a single guy in real life who fits the above list that I made.

51 min later 10199736 Anonymous
>>10199694 >Rare as fuck, nearly extinct. almost every guy is like George. thats why hes so relatable

52 min later 10199750 Anonymous
>>10199734 you do constantly, theyre just invisible to you (which is just part of the shit culture brainwashing you grew up in to chase the bad boy alpha)

53 min later 10199763 Anonymous
I always thought it "just happens."

55 min later 10199783 Anonymous
>>10199750 >you do constantly, theyre just invisible to you That's a cop-out explanation, and you know it. I'm not afraid to approach a guy, but I'm at a liberal arts and science college. This unfortunately means that the grand majority of guys I meet are partying it up, rebelling and being wild, whether they're art history majors or engineers. And the percentage of guys that aren't doing that? Also not datable, either because they're taken or they don't fit any or enough of my standards.

55 min later 10199784 Anonymous
>>10199763 it used to. These days you have to be a bad boy player to even be considered to a woman to be desirable

56 min later 10199796 Anonymous
>>10199763 Unless you're being retarded, kids are never something that just happens. You have to provide for them for a minimum of two decades. That takes a lot of work and you need to be prepared for it.

57 min later 10199806 Anonymous
>>10199783 stop focusing on all those idiots then. I guaran fucking tee theres quite a few good SINGLE guys around. Show them thats theres actually a decent girl left on this earth and watch their heads explode with disbelief (and love/desire)

59 min later 10199829 Anonymous
>>10199806 >I guaran fucking tee theres quite a few good SINGLE guys around Except that if there are, I never see them. Granted, it might take time to find him, but in a school of ~5k, which is mostly female, there's not a lot to choose from. I know you'd like to think that there's a lot of very good guys just begging to be picked, but if they exist-- and I say, if-- then they're making themselves pretty damn invisible. I'm honestly quite convinced I won't find him here, which is okay with me, because I could meet him when I graduate and get a job.

1 hours later 10199864 Anonymous
>>10199829 keep your head out. keep in mind your are most attractive in your youth and careers do almost nothing to make you more desirable to a male. I wonder how many girls at my school feel the same way and treat me kinda shitty cause they assume im just another horndog degenerate tick tock tick tock

1 hours later 10199897 Anonymous
>>10199864 >careers do almost nothing to make you more desirable to a male this isn't actually true. guys worth dating want to date girls worth dating. if a guy just wants to date a cute girl who doesn't have a personality or a life then he is probably a complete moron.

1 hours later 10199905 Anonymous
>>10199864 >keep in mind your are most attractive in your youth I am, sadly, quite aware of this. However, I am 20, and have a relatively fair amount of time. >and careers do almost nothing to make you more desirable to a male No, it just guarantees independence and pursuit of academic happiness. I'll actually enjoy and feel fulfilled about the job I take. >tick tock tick tock Jackass.

1 hours later 10199922 Anonymous
>>10199829 Maybe you don't meet their criteria before them meeting yours. I have rather low standards but you easily do not match them. Most guys have much higher standards than I do, if you're not appealing to me, you'll hardly be appealing to most men. If you don't match my standards, I won't care to make mines match yours. It's not a one way thing.

1 hours later 10199934 Anonymous
>>10199922 >I have rather low standards but you easily do not match them How do you know? I'm actually pretty sure I fit them all, though there is some subjectivity involved.

1 hours later 10199940 Anonymous
>>10199783 Your standards are impossible: >desire to do well and provider You basically want a man to be the breadwinner, nothign wrong with that, I want to be a doctor (if I don't get in med school I really might an hero) ,but things like medicine,law, and engineering are very demanding and draining as fuck. I've heard stories of med students and first year residents throwing out underwear instead of washing it. >strong and fashionable Basically, you want a man who works his ass into exhaustion for a good career, but then you want him to lift at the gym 5 days a week, and have time to go to salons to primp and pedicure. I bet you want him in an Armani suite too. This why I'm just going to buy a real doll once I become a doctor. Women just aren't worth it anymore.

1 hours later 10199948 Anonymous
>>10199897 keep in mind that a wise man understand that women are hypergamous and her putting a focus on career will make his have to bust his ass twice as hard to be seen as attractive to her (and keep her committed) sure we want a personality as long as its sweet and feminine/fun and her having a "life" is cool but again keep in mind that they are now a partnership and a single unit/team Its a huge feminist lie that has infected the culture that tells women that men care about career women. What we care about is femininity.

1 hours later 10199968 Anonymous
>>10199934 that isnt me (the guy you mostly been responding to)

1 hours later 10199981 Anonymous
>>10199934 Your attitude so far. I wouldn't be around someone thinking the way you do, I just wouldn't enjoy your company or talking with you when you talk this way. ">tick tock tick tock Jackass." That's what I'm talking about. To be perfectly honest, I may overlook this side of your personality to some extent if you look good but that would just be lying to myself. Personality wise so far, with the standards posted above, it's a big "NO, AVOID, NO, RUN DUDE, RUN". You're 20 so you're not mature enough, but by the time you mature you won't be "fresh" anymore. The ticktock guy is unfortunately right.

1 hours later 10199984 Anonymous
>>10199940 fair points. men are still slaves to women but women can get away with the bare minimum these days

1 hours later 10199993 Anonymous
>>10199940 I want him to earn half the household income. I plan to be a researcher, and already have connections/did internship/have lab offers, etc. so I'll make decent pay. It's very demanding as well, but the important thing is to keep your cool. >lift at the gym 5 days a week Doctors can't go to the gym three times a week? They can't go jogging after dinner for thirty minutes? >primp and pedicure >armani suits Are you fucking kidding me. I just want him to use good shampoo instead of that $5 crap, brush his hair in the morning, wash his face, shower daily, shave if/where applicable, and put on something other than a t-shirt and cargo pants. And for the love of god, please don't have a staple through his nose.

1 hours later 10200019 Anonymous
>>10199981 >The ticktock guy is unfortunately right. yep. and i wasnt trying to specifically be an ass about it. stop wasting time and find a good man to marry (hint: he probably wont make 6 figures and look like an Adonis) im trying to help you

1 hours later 10200022 Anonymous
>>10199940 >Cont. You slave and slave away and nothing is ever good enough. You're expected to ask them out and shit, and unless your Chad then you never will be talked to by women out of the blue. Then you have to worry about if she's really a fucking whore, because you'll never know-I mean what woman is honestly going to admit she had a train run on her in college and gargled the Frat's cum? None, that's who. Even the sweetest girls I know right now are probably getting facefucked by Chad every Friday night, and when it's time to cash in the beta bucks you'll never know. You can bet you'll never get to fuck that ass like Chad did though. You'll have to pry it out of her, and 98/100 times she'll cheat on you. I.Am.Done. I want my waifu simulators.

1 hours later 10200030 Anonymous
>>10199993 >They can't go jogging after dinner for thirty minutes? fuck no. theyre schedules are insane. they rather spend that time making love to you

1 hours later 10200035 Anonymous
>>10199981 >Personality wise so far, with the standards posted above, it's a big "NO, AVOID, NO, RUN DUDE, RUN". Because I took exception to him pushing the biological clock thing? Because I half-jokingly calling him a jackass for that? Really? That's fine, anyway. It's not like it matters. And it's not like we know each other in real life-- what we see online is like looking at the near side of the moon.

1 hours later 10200068 Anonymous
>>10200019 >stop wasting time and find a good man to marry You're not helping. I know you think you are, but you're really not. I do not subscribe to "Marry in haste, repent in leisure". Last I looked, George Bailey was not a six-figure adonis. But most modern men sure do fall pretty damn short of George Bailey, and the ones that don't-- I don't know where they are, but they're sure not here. I know you don't want to hear that, but it's the truth.

1 hours later 10200073 Anonymous
>>10200022 so much damn truth here. men can be so easily fucked over. all the girl has to do is act sweet and kind and look cute for a few years of dating then she can turn into the hugest cunt and ruin his life in multiple ways for the reasons of "i got bored". I want marriage really bad but women are seriously making me terrified of it.

1 hours later 10200079 Anonymous
>>10199176 Mixed views. I very rarely see any couples that are happy. Practically everyone in my family is divorced or has been divorced multiple times. All of my friends that are married 'regret it' and constantly talk about the freedom they once had. Various co workers get married then become miserable not too long after. One thing that I do notice though; no one EVER regrets having their kids. Even people that I thought they'd be horrible parents or they themselves said they never wanted kids totally change once they actually have them. It really seems like all these people really stay together for the kid's sake and not their own. I have nothing against women really, I just value my freedom too much. I'm a pretty selfish person when it comes to that. I do think that a child would change me a lot and it would probably be a very welcome change. If I could adopt and become I single parent I probably would eventually, but I don't know if that's even possible.

1 hours later 10200082 Anonymous
>>10199993 >gym three times a week Yes, who wouldn't want to finish a twelve hour hospital shift and then go for a jog? Maybe you only mean a non-fat man which I am, but it sounds like you want otter mode. >good shampoo Again, everything is either expensive or time intensive. If I could get my beard and neckbeard lasered off I would, but that cost money and if I shave it it looks like I have herpes in my throat. Also, what do you want, blue jeans and button ups?

1 hours later 10200097 Anonymous
>>10200035 No, it was an example. My comment was about all your posts so far. The fact that you cannot see the whole thing and focus on this example and do not understand that it's merely an example is proof of your immaturity. Whether you were half joking or not, your answer do not match the kind of witty answer I'd expect from a woman I would be interested in. You are right though, I am very much different in real than I am here. However, if we were to meet online and go toward the topic of dating together, I wouldn't date you for your personality based on the posts I've seen in this thread. What I'm trying to explain to you is that maybe you give this vibe in real, too. I don't want to be mean or anything, I just want to show you a certain side of the thing, a side that should not be overlooked. Confidence is good, but once again, I have REALLY low standards, yet your internet persona break them. Not being appealing to others is very easy, you should know since you can't meet datable guys. I'm sure you'd be within my standards in about 4 to 5 years, assuming you follow a sane life style.

1 hours later 10200102 Anonymous
>>10200035 Its cool. I forgive you for the jackass thing. just try and understand the points were making. marriage is risky business these days. >>10200068 your standards arent unreasonable at all. they are fair. are you a virgin? if not then please dont look for a George and expect him to take you seriously

1 hours later 10200136 Anonymous
>>10200082 >Maybe you only mean a non-fat man which I am, but it sounds like you want otter mode. I don't care about ottermode. I just care about not being fat, and being active enough to stay healthy. 30 minutes of activity a day is good. My dad got up at 6am and came home at 6pm every day from his job, but he still went for a jog or a bike ride, and had time to help his kids with homework before getting some work done before bed. He was superdad. I want my kids to have superdad, too. He was a toxicologist and a professor at a university, and it was a very demanding job, but he *did* it. I'll be taking on a similar career path as him, too. It can be done. >Also, what do you want, blue jeans and button ups? That would actually be preferable at this point. Honestly, I like guys who wear jeans and turtleneck sweaters, they honestly look cute.

1 hours later 10200147 Anonymous
>>10200068 http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine /archive/2008/03/marry-him/306651/ this article is a "must read" for you

1 hours later 10200162 Anonymous
>>10200097 what are your standards dude? im not that chick btw

1 hours later 10200185 Anonymous
>>10200097 >Whether you were half joking or not, your answer do not match the kind of witty answer I'd expect from a woman I would be interested in. That's fine. I was never going to make it as a stand-up comedian, anyway. >I wouldn't date you for your personality based on the posts I've seen in this thread. I wouldn't go for robots based on the posts I've seen from them too, yet quite a lot of them turn somewhat decent once you get them one-on-one in skype. >What I'm trying to explain to you is that maybe you give this vibe in real, too Trust me, I don't. What you're seeing right now is me being upset at the seeming impossibility of my situation. I actually don't have a lot of confidence. I can muster courage, and it gets me through: but I am generally quiet, shy, and introverted. It takes time for me to warm up to people. My only confidence comes from capabilities that don't stem from interpersonal relations.

1 hours later 10200218 Anonymous
>>10200102 >are you a virgin? Yes. >>10200147 >this article is a "must read" for you I've already read a handful of times before. To be honest, I'd rather go through life single and help raise my sister's kids (already engaged, definitely planning kids, I'm over the moon for them-- and I know my brother wants kids someday, too) and be their fun, cool aunt just like my dad's sister was. She married four times, and was divorced as many times: the lesson I've learned from her is to either marry someone you have no doubts about, or don't marry at all.

1 hours later 10200222 Anonymous
>>10200185 hey! George Baily was likely a virgin before his marriage, isnt that a huge turn off for femanons?

1 hours later 10200236 Anonymous
>>10200222 >hey! George Baily was likely a virgin before his marriage, isnt that a huge turn off for femanons? Not really. He didn't have STDs, he wasn't hung up over his first love/didn't turn to thoughts of her when he had difficulties, didn't have jealous lovers to deal with while married...

1 hours later 10200242 Anonymous
>>10200218 I would like to ask for your contact info but everytime i talk with a good sounding femanon such as yourself I get stood up after we exchange emails or whatever. Blame the bitches for me not giving a shit anymore.

1 hours later 10200252 Anonymous
>>10200236 Holy Crap! a femanon with common sense!!!!! is this real life? seriously im taken aback a little

1 hours later 10200264 Anonymous
>>10200162 - Has a job, any job - Can handle herself financially, doesn't have any debt - Mature enough to understand that life isn't an episode of my little pony - Is open minded when it comes to sex - Is genuinely trying to understand how/what I feel - Has a very good sense of humour and always has a witty come back - No lies, rather talk things out - Is humble as fuck at all time - Is aware of what she can and cannot do - Is respectful in general There may be a few things I'm forgetting, but that's the main picture. I absolutely do not give a flying fuck about anything else, such as how she looks. I have been in couple with girls that were the complete opposite of what I dreamed as a teenager and they are my fondest memories in life. >>10200185 >>10200218 You really remind me of a girl I know. One day, she woke up and understood that these standards were tying her down and preventing her from advancing in life. She took a while to understand what was truly important and she lost her virginity at around 23 after dating a guy for a year and a half. She finished her studies, got a better job than she expected and started to live her life and enjoy it. Much like me, she picked someone who was the exact opposite of her standards a few years back, but with who she could live her life the way she wanted. We're still together. >>10200242 That's very beta, careful.

1 hours later 10200300 Anonymous
>>10200264 >That's very beta, careful. which part? Im ok with being a beta, what I dont want is omega status also those are reasonable standards

1 hours later 10200321 Anonymous
>>10200264 And what, exactly, did she realize was truly important? Honestly, I could be happy without a man so long as I had family. I've never known what it's like to be loved in a sexually intimate way, so what I don't know, I won't miss. What's important to me is to find someone who will either make a good husband and father. I'm not even after a doctor/lawyer/engineer whatever. I don't care about that. He could be the manager at Starbucks, and I would be perfectly okay with that.

1 hours later 10200349 Anonymous
>>10199694 They're out there for sure, just like how there's plenty of the typical /r9k/ approved girls out there. Chances are they are just looked over because they don't really stand out (or don't go anywhere to stand out). Example; I probably fill every single one of your requirements and there's probably a girl out there that would fill every one of mine but it will most likely never happen. Why? I'm introverted and prefer to be at home most of the time. I don't meet a lot of new people because of this. I can't really meet any people from work because I'm the boss of most of them and I'm not supposed to fraternize. I'd get so much shit for going out with a girl from work and because of my position we'd both be constantly ridiculed. Not saying anything is not my fault but it has made things a little difficult. If a do meet someone they will usually be brushed aside for the hilariously typical 'Chad'. I hold no ill-will to anyone because of this, but it does suck.

1 hours later 10200368 Anonymous
>>10200321 I literally have no idea what is so hard with finding a guy. would you date a guy still in school if he was responsible and likely to get a decent job? Maybe whats keeping you turned off from the men in school is your inability to see where they will be in a few years. also what would you rate your looks? be honest please

1 hours later 10200381 Anonymous
>>10200300 Everything after "but". What's wrong with omega? I was never called alpha or beta in my entire life but after reading what an omega is, it really sounded like what I've always been. I don't really care about having a label but omega isn't bad in my opinion. >>10200321 Each people have very different situations in life. She and me don't have families, so we had no form of affection in our lives when we met, and this for a long time. She realized that the important isn't to find a proper father/husband, the important is to find someone you can be with, period. People change with time, they mature. It can be good or bad, someone can be a good husband and father right now and be absolutely terrible in 4 years. What matters is that you find someone you can be with based on things that are not likely to change over the years. There are things about me that will never change, that's what made her change her mind. Same goes for her and my standards.

1 hours later 10200425 Anonymous
>>10200381 >someone can be a good husband and father right now and be absolutely terrible in 4 years. i severely doubt it man. I think shes wise to look for a good father figure AND who she gets along great with

1 hours later 10200477 Anonymous
>>10200368 >would you date a guy still in school if he was responsible and likely to get a decent job? Absolutely. >Maybe whats keeping you turned off from the men in school is your inability to see where they will be in a few years. Mostly, what's turning me off are these factors, variably: >they're fat >they look awful from lack of care (don't shave, don't shower, don't take care in how they dress) >they deliberately go out of their way to look awful (mowhawks, ear gauges, nose piercings, eyebrow piercings, hair dyed absurd colors). >I can't hold a conversation with them >even if I can, many of them make it clear they're not looking for something serious >they use drugs >they're turned off by the fact that I don't use drugs >they are outrageously irresponsible regarding school and/or finances >they're known to sleep around and/or have well-known fidelity issues (liberal polyamory is common.) >be honest please I'm not good at rating people with numbers, and myself even less. But back at home-- which has boys that I actually am interested in, it's just not feasible right now-- I had a lot of interest and quite a few dates. I was well liked and considered very feminine and reasonably attractive. I had one guy describe me as "very pretty" in a truth or dare game.

1 hours later 10200486 Anonymous
>>10200477 I dont blame you for being disgusted with guys like that. whats your AIM?

2 hours later 10200502 Anonymous
>>10200486 I don't have AIM. And I'd rather not turn this into a contact thread, with all due respect.

2 hours later 10200531 Anonymous
>>10200502 then I have no idea what you want from us.

2 hours later 10200562 Anonymous
>>10200425 She's 20, it's very rare to be wise about anything when you're 20. She also never had a real relation, she lacks a lot of experience. She should lower her standards for the time being and just seek someone to spend time with and be happy. Then, either she meets mister right on the first try or she can just gain experience until she understands how life and people work. >>10200477 >they're fat The rest of your reasons are actually very good and give you good points in my book. But this stands out as being irrelevant when we're talking proper father/husband.

2 hours later 10200566 Anonymous
>>10200531 >then I have no idea what you want from us. At this point, nothing. I started discussion on standards and values in this thread, and it spun out of control, and into... well, this. r9k is a good place to vent, I suppose, when discussion fails.

2 hours later 10200605 Anonymous
>>10200562 >But this stands out as being irrelevant when we're talking proper father/husband. I disagree. I am not attracted to fat people, and would be unhappy if paired with someone who was clearly overweight, particularly when I am not. So there's the issue of attraction. Furthermore, I want a good example for my kids, and overweight parents can be very bad examples when the weight comes from poor lifestyle choices and not the natural slowing of the metabolism (someone who's fat at 20 is very different in my book from someone who's fat at 50).

2 hours later 10200608 Anonymous
>>10200566 its not out of control. and i vent all the time on here. its whats its for really. thats why everyone thinks we're nuts, the just see us at our weakest and most hurt.

2 hours later 10200625 Anonymous
>>10200605 shes right. a fat father is a poor role model for health and a active lifestyle. as long as she doesnt expect a 6 pack shes pretty reasonable.

2 hours later 10200706 Anonymous
>>10200605 Superfluous standard nonetheless. Your other standards are objectively "right" and "smart" and then there is this one which is just, well, it breaks the seriousness of the list and just make you fall out of many guys' aim, whether it is because they are fat or, like me, simply don't like this point of view. Also, at no point do you mention the reason of the guy's being fat as important. So you basically dismiss a guy who is fat without even wanting to understand why he is so. Maybe he's just depressed, maybe all he needs is you to recover and work out. That's complete immaturity right here. Once again, you may be good looking so it may save you on this part, but I'm starting to believe that you're as much not meeting people's standards as they don't meet yours.

2 hours later 10200739 Anonymous
>>10199176 I don't think I will be able to, but if I don't get married and have children by age 35, I'll give up on it.

2 hours later 10200749 Anonymous
>>10200706 >So you basically dismiss a guy who is fat without even wanting to understand why he is so. Why shouldn't I? If someone is fat, then I'm not physically attracted to them. Physical attraction IS important! I'm not responsible for a stranger's happiness: it would be incredibly foolish to go into a relationship with a fat person and think you can change them. >That's complete immaturity right here. I'm sorry, but I sense this is more about this being a personal struck nerve than my immaturity.

2 hours later 10200782 Anonymous
>>10200749 It's just as foolish as dismissing someone that you don't know. It's immature to judge people without knowing them. Being attracted to someone is one thing, being 100% turned off by someone is another. The first thing is easy, the second is very difficult.

2 hours later 10200793 Anonymous
>>10199473 Try a priest. Free, and they've talked about every issue you could think of (and worse), even if that's just in a confessional.

2 hours later 10200803 Anonymous
>>10200782 >It's just as foolish as dismissing someone that you don't know. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I have plenty of friends who are overweight. My godmother is overweight and I adore her to death. But when it comes to finding a *life partner*, it's a whole different can of worms.

2 hours later 10200828 Anonymous
>>10200803 I used to have physical standards and would only date girls above a certain height. I know what it is to have superfluous standards, and I know how much of an idiot I was for this. I wouldn't dive on an obese woman, or even a properly fat one, but I wouldn't straight dismiss her. I would still try to learn who she is.

2 hours later 10200857 Anonymous
>>10199176 >Marriage If it's with someone I love, hell yeah. >Having children I'd actually love to be a father. >Will it ever happen Nope.

2 hours later 10200868 Anonymous
>>10200828 >I used to have physical standards and would only date girls above a certain height Heh. I'm honestly not convinced or even swayed. Very well, take your moral high ground: but I see being fat as both physically unattractive, and a good indicator that the man is an unfit partner because we clearly don't share certain values. Even people with diabetes, thyroid conditions, etc. have been able to maintain healthy weights. I should know-- we're friends.

2 hours later 10200944 Anonymous
>>10200868 Well, as I said above: - Is humble as fuck at all time - Is aware of what she can and cannot do - Is respectful in general As much as I agree with your opinion regarding fat people, and share some of it to an extent, I've just lived things that made me drop these standards and completely disregard a good part of what you feel toward them. But hey, I'm not telling you to change your mind and go for a fat guy. You do what you want and you're fine that way, you're just not the kind of woman I'd go for. It was merely an example of you not meeting someone's standards. Because you absolutely do not meet these 3, at least in this thread.

2 hours later 10200962 Anonymous
>>10200944 >Because you absolutely do not meet these 3, at least in this thread. That's fine. Anyway, you know what? It's totally okay. Like I said, it's fine if I never meet anyone. It'll be kind of sad, but it happens.

2 hours later 10200986 Anonymous
>>10200962 You'll meet someone for sure. You're not dumb and you know what you want, you'll surely find it one day.

2 hours later 10200997 Anonymous
>>10199981 20-year-olds are 7 years shy of being fresh.

2 hours later 10201010 Anonymous
I want ten children.

2 hours later 10201024 Anonymous
Despite all my prior experiences with both my parents going through multiple divorces and hellish relationships, I still fell for the trap. >Meet girl online (I know right? Death sentence) >Date for a year >Talked about marriage, kids, a house, our careers and life together >Was going to visit her, and surprise her with news that I was moving to her city. >Even bought her a fucking gay promise ring, was going to promise to marry her when we both finished college >Go to meet her, she ditches me where we were going to meet. >Turns out she has been fucking a fratboy for months. I am dead inside /r9k/, completely dead. It's been over a year and I have been heavily drinking almost everyday. I can never trust a woman again, this is the last straw.

2 hours later 10201037 Anonymous
>>10200997 Too early (but still good) is 13-16~, fresh is 16-19, good is 20-28, mature is 29-36~. I haven't tried past this age so I cannot tell if it changes after.

2 hours later 10201064 Anonymous
>>10201037 Anything after that, you're gonna birth an autist at best.

2 hours later 10201067 Anonymous
>>10201037 No, 13 is fresh, past that is shit.

2 hours later 10201082 Anonymous
>>10201067 If you're referencing puberty, it depends on the individual.

2 hours later 10201096 Anonymous
>>10201067 Na, I've had some 25yo who were fresh as fuck. >>10201064 Indeed.

2 hours later 10201120 Anonymous
>>10201082 What? No, I'm stating that there is nothing attractive or worthwhile about a girl past 13. >>10201096 No, they were steaming piles of manure.

2 hours later 10201203 Anonymous
>>10201120 Aww, you're missing out on some very fresh material mate.

2 hours later 10201218 Anonymous
>>10199176 >Wouldn't mind getting married having kids >Every girl I know has the typical response: I hope I never have a kid blahblahblahabortionblahblahblah >One friend said that if she ever had a miscarriage she'd be happy. Why are girls so edgy?

3 hours later 10201232 Anonymous
>>10201203 A pile of manure is still a pile of manure, no matter how recent it was laid. A 13-year-old girl blows everything else out of the water.

3 hours later 10201240 Anonymous
>>10201218 They're children, mentally.

3 hours later 10201276 Anonymous
i would love to, but i don't think it will happen. i'm unreasonably choosy and am not willing to stop being unreasonably choosy. seeing all my friends' relationships crash down around them as well as the dozen-plus girls who have told me they 'used to think they loved me' probably screwed my sense of those sorts of things too

3 hours later 10201330 Anonymous
>>10201232 Idk, I find an older girl to have things that a 13yo will never have, in term of attractiveness.

3 hours later 10201360 Anonymous (mqdefault.jpg 320x180 7kB)
>>10201276 >Taking anything a girl says about love seriously

3 hours later 10201370 Anonymous
>>10201330 You are objectively wrong. There is nothing attractive about a pile of manure, all it is good for is fertilizing the ground (giving birht) and allowing the flowers (children) to grow. Now I am off to see if my girl wants to initiate anything.

3 hours later 10201436 Anonymous
I'd like to get married, eventually. Don't want kids, though. Unfortunately Utah just managed to re-ban same-sex marriage, and I can't get the fuck out of this state until I finish my degree.

4 hours later 10202136 Anonymous
No, I have nothing to offer to anybody.

5 hours later 10202221 Anonymous
>>10201370 If you're serious, you have issues. It's your choice though.

9 hours later 10203317 Anonymous
>>10202221 How do I have issues for not being deluded about the nature of women?

13 hours later 10205175 Anonymous
If men can marry robots, then sure.

13 hours later 10205195 Anonymous
>>10201436 based Utah!

14 hours later 10205216 Anonymous
Marriage is cool. Kids are expensive, and I'm still on the fence about.

14 hours later 10205224 Anonymous
>>10199208 same man, I can't go on any longer I'm just sick of this shit, I'm a piece of shit waste of space

17 hours later 10206988 Anonymous
>>10205216 >marriage is cool When was marriage ever considered cool?

18 hours later 10207554 Anonymous
>>10203317 Because even at say, 30, a woman is physically still "ok". It can vary from a woman to another, but they're not completely done yet. Also, when it comes to the actual relationship, a 13yo girl is the most boring thing ever. I find 17-24yo to be the most interesting in term of body/mind combo, but the mind only gets better with age. That's why it's absurdly hard to find a woman that matches both category.

18 hours later 10207832 Anonymous
>>10207554 No, 30 isn't still okay, 30 is just repulsive. I'm in a relationship with a 13-year-old girl, my time with her has been the best I've had in my life, and she's actually interesting and attractive, 17-24 is in no way interesting or attractive, how many cocks you have taken and how your duckface looks isn't fucking interesting. The mind gets worse with age, with age comes pretense and an undeserved sense of pride and accomplishment. >That's why it's absurdly hard to find a woman that matches both category. That's because you're trying to find a woman, women are inherently terrible people.

18 hours later 10207927 Anonymous
>>10207832 Well >how many cocks you have taken and how your duckface looks isn't fucking interesting. You're exaggerating things. I've had several girlfriends in this age category who were virgins and "clean girls", if you see what I mean. They weren't prudes, but they weren't just holes. I'm not fond of the duckface girls so I don't know what it is to date one. And no, 30 isn't repulsive by any mean. I'm not trying to find a woman as I already have one, but you are right that I do look for women rather than little girls. I'm not a teenager anymore so I can't stand 13yo no matter how much I try, and it would be legally wrong anyway. Thankfully, I'm more interested by women so it doesn't bother me much. I did date a 17yo last year, but I noticed very fast that the maturity is so low that I just cannot be happy with this kind of girl. To each their own really, I don't think I'm the typical kind of man that women look for.

18 hours later 10207979 Anonymous
>>10207927 30 is repulsive. I'm in my mid-20s and I still love being with her more than anything else, even when she is being annoying. Dating isn't illegal.

19 hours later 10208065 Anonymous
>>10207979 I know you're just making shit up but it's going to be funny when this theoretical girl grows up and realize a 25 yr old guy was grooming her when she was a child

19 hours later 10208122 Anonymous
>>10208065 I'm not making anything up at all. I'm not grooming her, I'm courting her.

19 hours later 10208210 Anonymous
>>10208122 >I'm not grooming her, I'm courting her. also known as child grooming

19 hours later 10208212 Anonymous
>>10207979 Dating is boring. I'm nearly 26, I'm a man, I need sexual links with the girl I'm with and I need to feel good with her. I had a 34yo gf when I was 21, while her body was starting to show signs of time, it was still good enough. The only thing that younger girls have for them, body wise, in my experience and opinion, are their tits skin. That's it. You have a different vision of a relationship and different tastes. I don't share them but I can perfectly understand how you feel, every man feels like this somewhere or at some point in their life. Women in general make me feel like I'm wasting my time, it's just that anything under 23~, mentally, makes it even worse.

19 hours later 10208243 Kalur
>>10199176 >marriage i hope not >children not sure because they could die anytime and i want to avoid any unnecessary possible source of pain

19 hours later 10208246 Anonymous
>>10208212 Your experience and opinion is wrong, and you are wrong. How my relationship is is how a relationship should be.

19 hours later 10208283 Anonymous
>>10207554 I'm 29 and I look better and feel more energetic than ever, was pretty fat until the age of 24 though

19 hours later 10208304 Anonymous
>>10208246 You're either 12 or have serious mental issues. It's literally as simple as that. If you can't accept that people have different opinions (which are within the realm of being "ok") or if you find it funny to be that obvious about being an idiot, the answer is in my first sentence. >>10208283 That's good. Keep it up, I have many 28-34yo women friends and they often feel down about their age (especially the single, childless ones), but a positive woman that still takes care of herself is perfectly attractive.

19 hours later 10208404 Anonymous
I don't plan on it. Children are too much work/money and marriages never last in this day and age. It's not worth it.

19 hours later 10208425 Anonymous
>>10208304 > I have many 28-34yo women friends and they often feel down about their age Why? my mom is 54 and has boyfriends (dad has passed), perhaps it is the realization that you are not a young person anymore, I went through that a while ago

19 hours later 10208480 Anonymous
>>10208425 Yes. I have a 34yo friend specifically, she's fat, she has a dominant personality that conflict with her bfs most of the time. She doesn't have any children and she believes that she'll never have any, yet she wants one terribly. She also cannot find any bf since a few years and she's really down about it. She may be fat but she's really cute and she's very Japanese in the way she treats her man in general so to be honest, she has a very good wife/mother potential. But realizing that she's 34 and alone is killing her. The others just think that they are near/at 30 and that their body is suddenly not attractive anymore. Which is wrong, but GL making them understand that.

19 hours later 10208529 Anonymous
>>10208480 Being fat puts a big damper on your life, you don't realize how miserable you were as a fat person until you become fit... But ya I also don't really want children (soulless career woman) which helps

19 hours later 10208530 Anonymous
>>10208304 I am not 12 and as far as I know, and am mentally sound. There isn't anything attractive about a woman who needs a bra to prevent her breaths from turning into pancakes.

19 hours later 10208579 Anonymous
>>10208530 It's very rare to find 13yo girls with big tits that are firm enough to stay straight. They simply do not have tits big enough most of the time. But I'm fine with saggy tits, I like them. Being tolerant is part of being sound. You can think that you are X or Y, that doesn't stop you from actually being Z.

19 hours later 10208610 Anonymous
>>10208529 Depends. There is fat and fat in my opinion. A woman who is just a bit chubby is the best kind in my opinion. They're not fat yet so they're not too down about it, or at all, and they're jus ta bit chubby so they usually have the fat in the right places. Win/win. A properly fat woman, like my friend, is another story yes. But I don't think she'll ever be fit, she just cannot afford it (she doesn't have time and has a very stressful life, along with sickness unrelated to being fat). The only bad thing really is that despite being fat, she kept her standards so high that this is why she cannot get laid. I'll never understand why people don't adjust their standards through their life. What's good in getting 0 affection while you could just lower your standards a bit and have some affection to carry you through life.

19 hours later 10208621 Anonymous
>>10208579 She's an 28A and they're perfect. Why would you want large breasts

20 hours later 10208658 Anonymous
>>10208621 I like them large. Tastes etc. I don't mind the size in the end though. But 28A on a 13yo or a 25yo, I don't care, both are fine. If I really wanted to be picky, I wouldn't enjoy any woman who doesn't have the kind of areola I like. But life taught me that seeking the perfect areolas is an idiot thing and finding someone I get along with is the way to go.

20 hours later 10208666 Anonymous
>>10208621 I really have to proof-read after I make changes in word choice. >A 28A Also forgot a question-mark. >>10208658 She has a perfect areola, from what I've seen.

20 hours later 10208709 Anonymous
>>10208666 But what is perfect areola? The perfect areola for you is maybe a low tier areola for me. That's the whole point. It's all about tastes. You like chocolate, maybe I don't. Is it wrong to not like chocolate? No, it's not. I can tel you one thing, I didn't go through 500 women but out of all the women I've dated/slept with, none had areolas above 6/10. This is unfortunately my biggest fetish but it never stopped me to be with them. I perfectly know I'll never find a girl with perfect areolas, so I'm not limiting myself with this, it's just too restrictive.

20 hours later 10208740 Anonymous
>>10208709 >But what is perfect areola? It doesn't exist on older girls.

20 hours later 10208759 Anonymous
>>10208740 That's not true. It's a matter of shape, color and size. The best areolas I've seen on internet were pictures of above 18yo girls. I've even seen some 10/10. What are low tier areolas at 13 can become very nice ones past 20. But it's subjective anyway.

20 hours later 10208767 Anonymous
The thought of being married and having a family makes me panic, honestly. My boyfriend seems like he really wants to settle down with me (always talks about how he can't wait until we're living together, how he wants to spend the rest of my life with me, etc.) and it terrifies me because I really really can't have that. I want to do amazing things with my life and not have to worry about other people. I've told him about this but "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it" so I think he expects me to eventually "come around" but I don't think I will. Marriage I can handle maybe when I'm older. I will never want to have kids of my own. I might adopt because it's a charitable thing to do, but there is no way I want to bring a child into this world.

20 hours later 10208783 Anonymous
>>10208759 >What are low tier areolas at 13 can become very nice ones past 20. Except that is entirely false. Why are you people so deluded?

20 hours later 10208803 Anonymous
>>10208783 Stay narrowminded, what else do you want me to tell you. I'm curious though how you go about dating a 13yo. Are her parents ok with it?

20 hours later 10208811 Anonymous
>>10208803 >I'm curious though how you go about dating a 13yo. What do you mean? >Are her parents ok with it? They don't know.

20 hours later 10208839 Anonymous
>>10208811 I mean, how do you go about meeting 13yos who are interested in men 10 years older than them and interested in dating them. While I was able to date girls that were 17~ while being 20+ through normal friend circles, I find it very hard to go any lower as I have 0 links with young people. >They don't know. Your goal is to have a relationship that will last or just to take advantage of her youth then jump on a new one once she grows up?

20 hours later 10208883 Anonymous
>>10208767 Before it's too late, go out and get some Beefstick a' la Chad! No one will judge you, #grlpower ;)

20 hours later 10208886 Anonymous
>>10208839 >I mean, how do you go about meeting 13yos who are interested in men 10 years older than them and interested in dating them. She's my second cousin. I want this to last, but that will be difficult for me

20 hours later 10208891 Anonymous
>>10208883 The idea of a chad grosses me out too. I just don't like people as much as I should

20 hours later 10208931 Anonymous
>>10208886 That's next level. 13yo is already something, but a cousin? Oh boy. >>10208767 You should tell him straight. My very first gf made me wait 3 years before telling me clearly of her intentions. We broke up 3 years too late in the end, she made me waste my time with someone that didn't share my vision of life. If you love him, tell him.

20 hours later 10208946 Anonymous
>>10208931 I have talked to him about it and actually urged him to break up with me but he had none of it.

20 hours later 10208951 Anonymous
>>10208931 I met her when she was 9, I don't see how that could be taboo.

20 hours later 10208999 Anonymous
>>10208946 He's in denial ya, I used to be like that. He believes you'll change your mind eventually, but you won't, won't you? It's bound to end in tears. >>10208951 I wouldn't say taboo but well, I'm not interested in women who are 13y younger than me and I don't see my family members as potential sexual partners, or love interests.

20 hours later 10209064 Anonymous
>>10208999 She's only 12 years younger than me. Why does our relation matter?

20 hours later 10209116 Anonymous
>>10208999 >I'm not interested in women who are 13y younger than but 5yo'are so dam hot and tight.

20 hours later 10209154 Anonymous
>>10209116 I wouldn't fit in them. >>10209064 Just to understand you more, I like listening to people.

20 hours later 10209173 Anonymous
>>10209154 Do you think I should go further with her? I groped her a tiny bit last night, the day before that I saw her naked for the first time

21 hours later 10209216 Anonymous
Right now I have no desire to be around people at all, but that could change in the future.

21 hours later 10209267 Anonymous
>>10209173 I don't know, really. It's hard to back off at this point, just make sure you understand the situation and what may happen. If you're ok with the risks (they're pretty big) and you really aren't manipulating/forcing her, then do whatever you want. Just always remember that what you do is very risky and that while the urges are strong, it's not worth it in the end unless you go at it the right way. I'm not in your position, all I can tell you is that I would never try to be in such situation, way too much risk for a small reward, imo, and I've tasted proper 13yo in the past.

21 hours later 10209268 Anonymous
>wanting to get married >ever Jesus christ fuck you /r9k/.

21 hours later 10209291 Anonymous
i've always been a romantic at heart, and all i've ever wanted since i was about 12 or so is to find my soul mate and raise a happy healthy family. yet i don't think i've met a single woman that would like that as much as i would. that's not to say that i'd want some subservient housewife, i'd like my wife to be her own person. i'd like for her to complete me. i'm terrified at the idea of a marriage not working out. divorce seems so abhorrent to me. i'm 26 and i know that i have almost nothing to offer a prospective partner, let alone a family. still, sometimes it's nice to dream and image having an all-around american family. i feel bad for my mom because she loves children and she would make a wonderful grandmother but the chances of her getting grandkids from me are slim to none. my younger brother's a normalfag so maybe he can give her some joy in her old age.

21 hours later 10209305 Anonymous
>>10209267 >and I've tasted proper 13yo in the past. So you're a rapist?

21 hours later 10209309 Anonymous
I want a wife and kids very much. I want to be alone forever very much. I want to be a 24/7 slave to a woman very much. God damn. None of these lifestyles are compatible with eachother, even if I was to lie like a fucking double/triple agent and divide my time equally. I wish I could have 3 accounts on this game we call life. >Will probably stay alone forever, path of least resistance and all that.

21 hours later 10209323 Anonymous
>>10209305 I was under 18, so it was legal and fine. I've lost this taste for young women when I turned 21 and discovered proper women. I don't need to rape women either.

21 hours later 10209345 Anonymous
On one hand, I do want to have a family, marry a girl who makes me laugh, that sort of thing. On the other hand, it's hard enough finding girls that like me and even harder to find girls I can actually enjoy spending time with, so I dunno, hope it happens though.

21 hours later 10209362 Anonymous
>>10209323 13-year-old girls are only worth your time if you actually date them. Old cows are not proper women, they're cows.

21 hours later 10209383 Anonymous
>>10199176 Marriage would be viable option if two people really loved eachother but it's still optional. You don't need a piece of paper to express your love towards each other. In my opinion, I would never bring a child into this shitty world, I just can't. I don't think I'll be getting married let alone have a kid, I've already planned to kill myself when I become 27 and I've yet to have a relationship in my life so shit doesn't look good for me anyway.

21 hours later 10209388 Anonymous
>>10209362 All good then, I'll take the cows while you take the 13 years old uninteresting little girls. Everyone is happy.

21 hours later 10209398 Anonymous
>>10209388 Again, my girlfriend is extremely interesting, the only time I am happy is when I am with her.

21 hours later 10209425 Anonymous
>>10209398 Subjective. Your case is fine, it's just not a generality. I'm with a 24yo, she's very pure and innocent, I'm happy too.

21 hours later 10209444 Anonymous
>>10209425 >I'm with a 24yo, she's very pure and innocent, That was a contradictory statement.

21 hours later 10209482 Anonymous
>>10209444 How so. She literally never did anything with her vagina before I met her. >the joy of teaching a 24yo everything about sex and relationship It's a older toy than yours, but it's still a good one.

21 hours later 10209575 Anonymous
>>10209482 My girlfriend isn't my toy, she's my Mary.

21 hours later 10209591 Anonymous
>>10209575 Wasn't meant literally.

21 hours later 10209610 Anonymous
>>10209482 Also >Sexual contact is the deciding factor rather that life experience >Thinking 24-year-olds are good for anything other than giving birth

21 hours later 10209642 Anonymous
>>10209610 I've tasted both virgin and experienced, I like both. 24yo are good for more than giving birth, yes. She can cook, she can talk about what she lived, she can come with me on random trips around the world, she can share a rent with me and so on.

21 hours later 10209667 Anonymous
>>10209642 No, they are just good for giving birth. >I've tasted both virgin and experienced, I like both. So you're a cuck manwhore? Are you sure you didn't just rape those 13-year-olds?

21 hours later 10209684 Anonymous
>>10209667 I love girls in general, it's as simple as that. I've never had to rape anyone no, some people can get laid normally you know.

21 hours later 10209703 Anonymous
>>10199176 Nah man, watching all those movies and tv shows as a kid really builds you up and reality just knocks you down. It's pretty disappointing bro.

21 hours later 10209711 Anonymous
>>10209684 Casual sex with a girl that young is rape, you're using them to get your dick wet. Get neutered.

21 hours later 10209723 Anonymous
>>10209711 I've never fucked a girl below 17 while not being below 17 myself. You must be mistaking me for the other guy who's with a 13yo.

21 hours later 10209734 Anonymous
>>10209723 I am that guy with a 13-year-old. Being under 17 does not make it consensual, casual sex with a girl that age is rape.

21 hours later 10209758 Anonymous
>>10209734 Wat. What kind of weird mentality/logic is that. Age of consent is 15 where I live, and as far as I know, there is nothing wrong with 2 13 years old having sex, legally. The fuck am I reading here.

21 hours later 10209782 Anonymous
>>10209734 casual sex != rape >people like this exist and post on /r9k/ Just more reasons to pull the trigger guys

22 hours later 10209796 Anonymous
>>10209758 It is entirely wrong if it is casual sex, and he said he was under 17, so he was probably 16 and just wanted to get his dick wet. It was rape, he is a rapist and needs to get his ass torn up in prison. >>10209782 Casual sex with a 13-year-old girl is rape.

22 hours later 10209812 Anonymous
>>10209796 >Casual sex with a 13-year-old girl is rape. What do you know about 13 year old girls and how many of them have you had sex with("raped"). I'm not advocating it but you're just stupid. >Facts & Logic >Your head

22 hours later 10209820 Anonymous
>>10209796 Holy shit. 2 consenting people having sex is NEVER a rape. Rape is having sex with someone against his/her will, forcing it. If both parties want it, it is not rape. It is a VERY simple thing, jesus christ of fuck.

22 hours later 10209833 Anonymous
>>10209820 I know man, it's sad. I really can't believe people like this exist and post here.

22 hours later 10209844 Anonymous
Even if no woman ever want to marry me I would rent an uterus and haev my child there. It's ourt only purpose on life, to spread our genes.

22 hours later 10209845 Anonymous
>>10209812 >What do you know about 13 year old I'm dating one, I know them better than the majority of this board. >and how many of them have you had sex with None. >>10209820 A 16-year-old coercing a 13-year-old girl to fuck him is rape, accept it, you piece of shit. Casual sex with a girl that young is rape.

22 hours later 10209870 Anonymous
>>10209833 I have a hard time believing they're serious, though. How can someone be THAT stupid, it's just way too much stupidity. >>10209845 How is it different from a 13yo manipulating the girl to fuck her? You have to understand one thing, even if the intent beyond is wrong/bad, as long as the girl wants/agrees to having sex with a person, it is not rape. Also, the intent will only be taken into consideration in the event that either the girl or boy are below age of consent or one is actually adult while the other isn't. Do you understand now? As for me, no, I'm not a rapist. I've never had sex with a girl outside of a proper relationship. You groped a 13yo, this alone is enough to put you in jail, understand that.

22 hours later 10209878 Anonymous
I'm actually about to have a kid my gf is 1 1/2 months pregnant and I'm super happy

22 hours later 10209880 Anonymous
>>10209845 You could make a decent argument instead >"accept it, you piece of shit." "Casual sex with a girl that young is rape." Most girls that age are slutty as fuck and if she consents no it's not rape, if the girl isn't being a huge slut then I would agree yeah coercing her into sex making her a slut is bad.

22 hours later 10209887 Anonymous
>>10209878 >I'm actually about to have a kid my gf is 1 1/2 months pregnant and I'm super happy I'm so sorry for you anon.

22 hours later 10209902 Anonymous
>>10209887 Nothing to be sorry about

22 hours later 10209911 Anonymous
>>10209902 I know you don't understand anon, that's why I'm sorry for you.

22 hours later 10209922 Anonymous
>>10209870 It's still rape if a 13-year-old manipulated her. >as long as the girl wants/agrees to having sex with a person, it is not rape. A girl that age will agree to anything if she is lied to. >Also, the intent will only be taken into consideration in the event that either the girl or boy are below age of consent or one is actually adult while the other isn't. Rape is rape regardless of the age, manipulating a naive girl is rape. >You groped a 13yo, this alone is enough to put you in jail, understand that. Hypocrite. >>10209880 Most girls that age are not slutty whatsoever, you're mistaking 13 with 16-17. >and if she consents no it's not rape, It isn't as simple as that.

22 hours later 10209974 Anonymous
>>10209911 >>10209911 I understand, it's nothing bad if your parents or my parents were able to do it then why worry about it being a dad is gonna be cool.

22 hours later 10209984 Anonymous
>>10209922 I didn't grope a 13yo while being 25. Beyond the fact that you can straight go to jail for this, it is also very sad and pathetic that you have to resort to groping 13yo girls. See, this is the vision people have of people like you. I went at it a different way because I'm open minded but you're really starting to turn into a very sad and pathetic human being when you call sleeping with a 13yo girl, when being 13yo yourself, rape. You have issues, serious ones, you are clearly not mentally sound as you stated above. I'd even go as far as saying that you are dangerous in general and for this 13yo girl, but you know it yourself, there is a reason why her parents can't know about the situation. The worst part is that these words won't even reach you because you're so narrow minded that you cannot accept this logic. I pity you.

22 hours later 10209987 Anonymous
>>10209922 "Most girls that age are not slutty whatsoever, you're mistaking 13 with 16-17." ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know about that I had a slutty gf in 6th grade, and there were way more than just her. It seems like it's even worse now. >"It isn't as simple as that." Yeah it is, she wanted to have sex I fucked her and the world kept on spinning.

22 hours later 10209990 54m50n
>marriage never, you can't have a wife/gf without money >kids never intentionally, and if I end up getting some gril pregnant, I'm either killing myself or faking my death and fleeing to the Netherlands

22 hours later 10210017 Anonymous
>>10209974 I understand, it's nothing bad if your parents or my parents were able to do it then why worry about it being a dad is gonna be cool. Maybe the dad part but a real woman srsly anon, enjoy your false 3DPD "happiness"

22 hours later 10210055 Anonymous
>>10210017 My gf is awesome man she's so tiny and cute I'm happy

22 hours later 10210068 Anonymous
>>10210017 >liking 2D over 3D Literally a waste of human DNA.

22 hours later 10210076 Anonymous
>>10209984 I just gave her rear a light squeeze, and I didn't resort or settle, I wanted to, she is what I want. >when you call sleeping with a 13yo girl, when being 13yo yourself, rape. It's rape if it is casual sex, I look down upon it either way though, boys that age are entirely unworthy and have no idea about how they should treat a girl. >I'd even go as far as saying that you are dangerous in general and for this 13yo girl Why am I dangerous? >there is a reason why her parents can't know about the situation. Because they will act irrationally and deny me access to her. >>10209987 >ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know about that I had a slutty gf in 6th grade, and there were way more than just her. It seems like it's even worse now. You clearly live in a white trash community then. The majority of girls are nothing like that.

22 hours later 10210098 Anonymous
>>10210076 >You clearly live in a white trash community then. >The majority of girls are nothing like that. No..... I actually live in an upper class community, but this is America and the quality of humans here seems to just keep getting lower. So that could be it, no reason to accuse me of living in a "white trash community" though.

22 hours later 10210121 Anonymous
>>10210098 The upper class can be white trash, it's all a frame of mind.

22 hours later 10210128 Anonymous
>>10210076 They will most likely act irrationally, yes. However, you give sex way too much importance. Sex is just that, sex. There are laws around it so we have to follow them, but as long as you follow them, it's just sex. You're trying to give it a deeper meaning and call it rape when you should be laid back and see it as what it is. As for being dangerous, man, come on, you're 25 and you're working your way to be with a 13yo. While you are annoyed by people having sex with 13yos and call them rapist, I find it wrong myself to seek a sentimental relationship with a 13yo when you are 25 yourself.

22 hours later 10210154 Anonymous
>>10210128 Sex isn't just sex, it's primary purpose is to bond a couple and create new life. >While you are annoyed by people having sex with 13yos and call them rapist Casual sex with a 13-year-old is rape, sex in a relationship is not. >As for being dangerous, man, come on, you're 25 and you're working your way to be with a 13yo. How is that dangerous? I wish libtards like you would just leave this website.

22 hours later 10210189 Anonymous
>>10210154 Top fucking lel >Sex isn't just sex, it's primary purpose is to bond a couple and create new life. And then you follow with >I wish libtards like you would just leave this website. Holy shit. I don't even know what my ideas are, if they're liberal or not, I don't fucking know, I don't give a shit about it. However, I can tell you that you are narrow minded as fuck and are way too stuck up to understand anything said before. How can you be so close minded, it's even worse than being narrow minded actually. Stay retarded and enjoy groping your 13yo, hope her parents don't notice it or you'll be enjoying your first sodomy.

22 hours later 10210246 Anonymous
>>10210189 >All you can reply with is accusations of me being close-minded >enjoy groping your 13yo I do, she has an amazing little ass.

25 hours later 10211811 Anonymous
no because it's obsolete.

30 hours later 10214079 Anonymous
if I wcwe did it would be worthless.

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