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2014-03-19 12:50 4677367 Anonymous (big-brother-is-watching-you.jpg 1024x768 77kB)
What is the most nightmarish dystopia you have ever read about?

8 min later 4677377 Anonymous
just read fuckin BBC news man, we're fuckin living in it man

12 min later 4677380 Anonymous
Stand on Zanzibar Blade Runner

20 min later 4677395 Anonymous
>>4677377 It's game over man! Game over man! Game over!

52 min later 4677451 Anonymous
Texas

2 hours later 4677685 Anonymous
eastenders

5 hours later 4678197 Anonymous
>>4677367 yurope:American invasion

5 hours later 4678232 Anonymous
The World Inside The Machine Stops

5 hours later 4678235 Anonymous
>>4677685 >Not Hollyoaks

10 hours later 4679168 Anonymous
The most nightmarish dytopia is a movie: Idiocracy. Why? Because it hits closest to home.

10 hours later 4679185 Anonymous
>>4677685 >>4678235 >not Dickens

10 hours later 4679250 Anonymous
>>4679168 I would go ahead and say Brave New World for the same reason, even though it's the facile answer. People mindlessly fucking each other, taking their prozac and daily rations of wine, fucking some more, thinking fucking and wine and prozac is the essence of living. Holy shit, seriously. And it starts when they are 13.

10 hours later 4679270 Anonymous
>>4679250 I consider Brave New World to be utopian >but muh s-suffering

11 hours later 4679277 Anonymous
>What is the most nightmarish dystopia you have ever read about? One with a democratic government and a constitution that guarantees rights and freedoms to all of its citizens

12 hours later 4679506 Anonymous
>>4677367 There is this short story in Teatro Grottesco titled Our Temporary Supervisor which I found well done and certainly nightmarish, it doesn't read as a cautionary tale though, the horror the story tries to convey is more of an allegory to the fears of social standardization. I really liked it.

12 hours later 4679517 Anonymous
>>4679250 >not being an indulgent degenerate and liking it What are you even doing here?

12 hours later 4679551 Anonymous
>>4679250 It's not dystopian. If you dislike the society of Brave New World you get shipped off to an island of other free-thinkers.

12 hours later 4679568 Anonymous
>>4679551 Does that change the fact that most of humanity is self enslaved?

12 hours later 4679579 Anonymous
>>4679551 >If you dislike the society of Brave New World you get shipped off to an island of other free-thinkers. IIRC it was far more perverse, the region where the free thinkers and a couple of /lit/ enthusiasts live in is designed so they end up murdering each other through the protection of their customs and cultural treasures. That way the sanitized version of humanity prevails eventually. So I think its a dystopian novel.

12 hours later 4679595 Anonymous
>>4679579 No, you remember wrong. You're conflating the islands where the radical outliers of society are sent with the experiment Mustapha Mond described.

12 hours later 4679603 Anonymous
>>4679250 It definitely was a more accurate prediction than 1984.

12 hours later 4679606 Anonymous
>>4679603 Both of them are derived from We, so....

13 hours later 4679637 Anonymous
>>4677377 >>4677395 this is why I like /lit/

13 hours later 4679653 Anonymous
Brave New World, because as English-speakers we're living it every day now. A world where people are so consumed with their own pleasure that they don't realize they're being led on.

13 hours later 4679666 Anonymous
>>4679551 It's dystopian because the overwhelming majority of the population is stunted so as to make them completely incapable of free-thinking.

13 hours later 4679667 Anonymous
Atlas Shrugged

14 hours later 4679781 Anonymous
Crossed And yes, that is a dystopia.

14 hours later 4679915 Anonymous
>>4679781 That's like saying Night of the Living Dead is a dystopia, there is no government or society in Crossed

14 hours later 4679933 Anonymous (1395270444178.png 417x407 264kB)
>>4679915 I'm actually sort of interested in the concept that many dystopias house a sublimated utopian element.

15 hours later 4679956 Anonymous
>>4679933 >sublimated utopian element What?

15 hours later 4679969 Anonymous
>>4679956 There are some hidden things within dystopias that are desired. Zombie films for example -- suddenly the world is free of the concerns of modernity. Capitalism, alienation, and all the other assorted issues of the modern world have been destroyed at a stroke. There is no job, no work, no power bill, and none of the other problems that stalk modern man. There are, of course, zombies, but that's why the utopian element is sublimated.

15 hours later 4679996 Anonymous
>>4679969 Sounds bullshit to me. No offence. The disappearance of any of those things does not seem desirable. I can't think of any dystopian work in film or TV or literature where the subject matter deals with that in the way you describe. I think people would find it fairly hard to relate too. The whole point of these world falling asunder, dystopian works seems to be how terrible all those things disappearing you described are. I can only think of a Rick and Morty episode where something like that is mentioned, once. What really is the appeal to you of this sublimated utopian element? Because I can't see it.

17 hours later 4680455 Anonymous
The bible

17 hours later 4680471 Anonymous (download.jpg 199x254 11kB)
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20 hours later 4680776 Anonymous
>>4679277 Can you even imagine the sheer horror of it?

22 hours later 4680949 Anonymous
>>4679277 You mean like the one that we have not ?

22 hours later 4681009 Anonymous
1984 BNW might seem more realistic, but the main reason is that the world controller in BNW is misanthropic and has that 'doing this for your own good' attitude from how he acts and speaks. Whereas O'Brien is sadistic and has that 'doing it because I can and should' from his actions and speeches. I suspect he enjoys it, if not why go though the trouble of letting Winston know about the brotherhood and let him read their book, only to break his hope about their existence?

23 hours later 4681016 Anonymous
The Handmaid's Tale always struck me as particularly horrific, mostly because you can see the sort of thinking behind that dystopia at the edge of a whole bunch of governments. 1984 is horrible, but isn't focused so much on the direct oppression of a single group and body in such a direct and horrific manner, and BNW at least keeps most people happy, after a fashion. In contrast, a society built on effectively rape and warfare strikes a nerve in a way the others don't.

23 hours later 4681020 Anonymous (ideology2[1].png 989x576 397kB)
Zizek's analysis of contemporary society.

23 hours later 4681022 Anonymous
>wonder if I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream counts as dystopia >check Wikipedia for a more rigorous definition >intro is listing various classic dystopian works >somebody added the fucking hungry games Why are shitty YA novels fucking everywhere?

24 hours later 4681152 Anonymous
>ctrl+f >'The Long Walk' >0 results Stephen King doesn't normally get to me but man.

24 hours later 4681159 Anonymous
Mika Waltari's The Roman, most certainly.

25 hours later 4681194 Anonymous
>>4681016 well this rates as one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Being a housewife is worse than being tortured and executed for the slightest display of personality? >but isn't focused so much on the direct oppression of a single group and body so basically your problem with it is not that they're cruel but that they're cruel to women. Jesus, feminists are narcissists. And Atwood is a hack who's popular more for her politics more than her ability to write science fiction.

25 hours later 4681218 Anonymous (1369532987212[1].jpg 1200x1440 330kB)
>>4677367 think about 1984; think about a society where the government will torture and execute you for the slightest display of doctrinal deviance or intellectual independence. Now think about living in a society where those guys who want you to spend your life in drudgery or die for their god and will horrifically torture and execute you if you so much as question this are the good guys. Welcome to the 41st millennium. Seriously, I genuinely can't think of a worse place to live than Warhammer 40k even >>4679781 in Crossed, at least you die fairly quickly (within minutes usually, couple of days at most) and you won't get your soul ripped apart..

25 hours later 4681261 Anonymous
>>4681218 >think about a society where the government will torture and execute you for the slightest display of doctrinal deviance or intellectual independence. I'm American, I can just look through the window if I want to see that.

26 hours later 4681293 Anonymous
>>4679551 I'm pretty sure it aint looking too good for the lower classes.

26 hours later 4681297 Anonymous
>>4681261 >America is LITERALLY a dictatorship!!! We are like North Korea!! please

26 hours later 4681308 Anonymous
>>4681297 It's arguably worse. At least NK doesn't hypocritically pretend to be anything else than what it is. Meanwhile, Americans worship strenght, perfection of the body and despise culture in favor of action, all of which are Nazi traits. But no, you go on believing this is the "land of the free". Yeah right.

26 hours later 4681331 Anonymous
>>4681308 *tips fedora* etc. etc. Seriously though, America isn't perfect, but dystopian? I wouldn't call it dystopian, just dysfunctional and in need of some serious maintenance, as in more of an appreciation for empathy and less for producing, producing, producing

26 hours later 4681337 Anonymous
>>4681308 >It's arguably worse. will you be executed and your family sent to torture camps if the American government finds out what you just posted? no? I thought not. I really hope you're not old enough to vote.

26 hours later 4681360 Anonymous
North Korea, because its real

26 hours later 4681403 Anonymous
>>4681293 It's looking good in their minds though, and that's what matters.

26 hours later 4681410 Anonymous
>>4681360 No no no, the Christian faith is much worse At least you can fucking die and leave North Korea

26 hours later 4681418 Anonymous
In relation to BNW didn't Marx say in The Manifesto that he believes the society must educate the children, not the parents?

26 hours later 4681419 Anonymous
>>4681403 So they should live as lesser beings because they are manipulated to think it is good?

27 hours later 4681438 Anonymous
>>4681419 It's not much different than stupid people living as lesser beings because they were manipulated by nature (probability). In BNW's case, the numbers are simply being controlled.

27 hours later 4681447 Anonymous
>>4681438 >>4681419 I should add that the only other difference is that stupid people in BNW like being stupid (and openly admit it) more than they do in reality.

27 hours later 4681449 Anonymous
>>4681438 This is not the same at all. In the real world 'stupid' people can progess, in BNW they can't. And in BNW it happens through state manipulation.

27 hours later 4681454 Anonymous
>>4681449 Why would they progress when they are happy as they are?

27 hours later 4681460 Anonymous
>>4681454 I haven't said they would.

27 hours later 4681476 Anonymous
>>4681460 What's purpose does progress serve then?

27 hours later 4681492 Anonymous
>>4681476 Stop acting like socrates you fucking faggot

27 hours later 4681534 Anonymous
The giver

27 hours later 4681609 Anonymous
>>4681476 Progress would prove they are more than cogs in a machine. >ROOF! You are either a cog, or a zoo animal crawling around the reservation waiting for some beta to come point and laugh at you. The World State is invincible because the old humanity is extinct. That is the real horror of BNW.

28 hours later 4681645 Anonymous
>>4681534 >everything is wonderful, surely this is a dystopia

28 hours later 4681721 Anonymous
>>4679653 do you really think it's only english speakers? Scandinavian countries are the most brave new world like societies around.

32 hours later 4682407 Anonymous
>>4679969 I think you are correct, especially with the genre of plague apocalypse. The zombie one is close but there is too much danger to be desirable I think.

32 hours later 4682422 Anonymous
>>4677367 Everything outside of Europe.

32 hours later 4682432 Anonymous
>>4679996 If everything was perfect where would the story be, the conflict. That is why there must be dystopias among the majority of readers. Maybe in literary fiction among a small group of thoughtful readers a utopia novel could catch on. The zombie apocalypse resolves all the things that cause people stress in the modern world. They never think about the stress zombies would create but it would be an animalistic stress, akin to the stress on an African Savannah which humans are built for. Not the constant stress modernity has inflicted. A plague scenario is ideal it seems to me, at least to frame the idea, unless you wanted to write loose historical fiction.

32 hours later 4682446 Anonymous
>>4681410 calm down hitchens

32 hours later 4682464 Anonymous
>>4677367 middlesbrough

32 hours later 4682541 Anonymous
North Korea, obviously. Rich districts in Colombia where you can be killed for vagrancy.

32 hours later 4682564 Anonymous
>>4677367 Brave New World. I'm more scared of being controlled by pleasure than pain. At least with pain you know you're in a dystopia. It's the blissful ignorance that gets me.

33 hours later 4682643 Anonymous
USSR, as described by Koestler, Solzhenitsyn or Bukovsky was a lot worse than 1984 or BNW.

33 hours later 4682721 Anonymous
The Matrix. Sorry it's not a book, but it is by far the best.

46 hours later 4685069 Anonymous
>>4678235 >Not Geordie Shore

46 hours later 4685079 Anonymous
>>4679915 Dystopia = bad place It has nothing to do with form of government. Most postapoc lit is dystopian.

46 hours later 4685089 Anonymous (1374845335763.jpg 300x300 47kB)
>>4677380 >Blade Runner

46 hours later 4685090 Anonymous
>>4682721 >>>/tv/ Im not being rude, you should go there though :)

46 hours later 4685099 Anonymous
>>4679551 What's the point in even thinking if your thoughts die on the vine and rot on a shitty little island full of other intellectual masturbators? It would be like a massive /lit/, essentially the same as the hedonism of outside, but for edgy folk who want to spout hot air and never do anything about it. Its still a Norwegian jail. >>4679270 Isn't about suffering, its about the right to personal autonomy, and the cultivation of people rather than farm animals. You have the lifespan of a horse in BNW, and effectively spend those thirty years in your mother's basement.

51 hours later 4685549 Anonymous
>dogscape >everything is dogs >you must eat dog to survive >get bit, become dog

51 hours later 4685574 Anonymous (conan-the-barbarian_l.jpg 300x400 30kB)
>>4682721 >implying the steak isn't delicious

51 hours later 4685600 Anonymous
>>4685549 Fund it.

51 hours later 4685606 Anonymous (anwar al-awlaki.jpg 450x600 86kB)
>>4681337 >will you be executed and your family sent to torture camps if the American government finds out what you just posted? No, they'll just get attacked by drones.

52 hours later 4685672 Anonymous
>>4681308 >Meanwhile, Americans worship strenght, perfection of the body and despise culture in favor of action, all of which are Nazi traits. [fondness of america intensifies]

59 hours later 4686628 Anonymous
>>4681218 But the demonic threat is actually real and heretics generally lead to massive amounts of death and destruction if left unchecked. They're fucked up but some of it has reason.

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