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2013-12-19 08:11 4384460 Anonymous (.....png 1256x1075 135kB)
Is hedonism the most pleb philosophy? or is it Nihilism?

1 min later 4384470 Anonymous
Epicureanism brings the most happeiness in the long run and hedonism can be fun but I would recommend practicing it for only short periods of time.

4 min later 4384477 Anonymous
>>4384460 The most pleb philosophy is evangelical Christian theology. Not even really worthy of the word theology.

5 min later 4384482 « 零 »
NO; "MARXISM" IS; IT APPEALS TO IRRATIONALITY.

13 min later 4384511 Anonymous
>>4384482 Also Anarchism,Anarco-Capitalism and /pol/'s conspiracies.

24 min later 4384534 « 零 »
>>4384511 >Anarchism NOT REALLY; ANARCHISM IS NOT AS IRRATIONALLY NOXIOUS AS "MARXISM" IS. ANARCHISM IS SO OVERLY SIMPLE, AND UNAMBIGUOUS IN ITS PREMISES, THAT ADVOCATING IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY IMPLY SUBPAR INTELLECT; JUST IGNORANCE, OR GENUINE & INFORMED ADHERENCE. "MARXISM", IN ITS OWN CONVOLUTEDNESS, AND FALLACIOUS PREMISES, IS OBVIOUSLY FLAWED FOR THE RATIONAL PERSON, THEREFORE ANYONE ADVOCATING IT IS MOST PROBABLY OF SUBPAR INTELLECT. >Anarco-Capitalism NO. >/pol/'s conspiracies "/pol/ CONSPIRACIES"? REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT MEANS, "CONSPIRACIES" ARE NOT A PHILOSOPHY.

27 min later 4384541 Anonymous
>>4384534 Why is anarco-capitalism a rational philosophy?

39 min later 4384575 Anonymous
>>4384460 The most pleb philosophy is a mass of culturally inherited arguments, half-arguments, and opinions, some mutually incompatible or contrary, glued together, centrally, by feeling, which occasionally issues, when the pleb is stimulated or excited, from a hole in this accumulation, in a brown dribble. Next is crass hedonism or the less reflective forms of Christianity.

44 min later 4384590 Anonymous
>>4384534 you are a slave to the state and you have grown so complacent to your abuse that you attack others who try to free themselves from its grasp. you believe that your submissive nature and inability to challenge social norms is a virtue but it is a vice and you are an addict. you do not realize it but through your ignorance and self-abuse you are not only injuring yourself, you are also injuring me and thus you disgust me and i must inform you that you are a cancer and you must destroyed.

46 min later 4384599 Anonymous
>>4384534 The largest issue with anarcho-blank is that it requires an unrealistically optimistic outlook on the entirety of humanity. It assumes everyone can and will conform to principles of non-violence. It wholly over-esteems the human condition.

48 min later 4384607 Anonymous
>>4384599 >It assumes everyone can and will conform to principles of non-violence. It wholly over-esteems the human condition. many thoughts in the school of anarchism do not assume this, you have been misinformed.

49 min later 4384613 Anonymous
>>4384541 Because it's based on the non-aggression principle and voluntary exchange

51 min later 4384615 Anonymous
>>4384590 what the fuck?

51 min later 4384617 Anonymous
the most pleb philosophy is the one that immediately shuts down individual rationality instead of using it as a medium to undermine the historical and apprehend the universal.

52 min later 4384619 Anonymous
Any type of skeptic philosophy is full pleb. It hints at a civilization which is dead culturally

52 min later 4384621 Anonymous
>>4384607 OK, what are, in your opinion, some schools of anarchism that do not conform to what I've just said?

55 min later 4384631 Anonymous
>>4384460 I don't know why is it? I guess technically speaking since hedonism is the de facto philosophy of the lower caste, but is there really point to life other than happiness?

55 min later 4384633 Anonymous
>>4384613 It loses that cache when it assumes that society won't drift into tribalism or feudalism. Also, does anyone have that anarchism flowchart?

56 min later 4384636 Anonymous
>>4384631 "happiness" driven by materialism and lust is not true happiness and also only gratifying in the immediate

58 min later 4384642 Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUig 0lFHDDw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzC 937Q9Dc Anarchism worked well in Spain for the short time that it existed but again there is no way to tell how it would have turned out in the long run.

59 min later 4384647 Anonymous
>>4384633 But institutions can still exist in AnCap society you fool. A state must exist to ensure property rights and agreements

1 hours later 4384652 Tallis
>>4384534 How is marxism irrational? It's just a christian eschatology without christianism.

1 hours later 4384660 Anonymous
>>4384636 Hedonism includes more than those two silly willy; it can include anything that gives you happiness, even altruism. Hedonism is a meta-philosophy because any one who does anything is looking for happiness as an end result. Also, the only reason materialism doesn't work is because people adjust to the new stimuli rather fast, it works fine for the very rich though

1 hours later 4384662 Anonymous
>>4384660 Because materialism is a very shallow, very empty, very flimsy source of happiness

1 hours later 4384669 Anonymous
>>4384621 anarcha-femininsim, most schools of individualist anarchism, naturist anarchism, and free-market anarchism are just a few examples. please read more before you attempt to discuss this issue, your ignorance is not becoming

1 hours later 4384673 Anonymous
>>4384647 that's minarchism

1 hours later 4384674 Anonymous
>>4384647 >A state must exist to ensure property rights and agreements the individual can ensure his own property rights and agreements, if he is unable to then he never had any right to what he wanted in the first place

1 hours later 4384685 Anonymous
>>4384669 Free-Market Anarchism merely privatizes tyranny.

1 hours later 4384689 Anonymous
>>4384662 yes your repetition of the word very is very impressive, but all the same the sad truth is such over emphasized axioms are incorrect and you can achieve happiness with an excessive amount of money

1 hours later 4384695 Anonymous
>>4384685 tyranny is privatized in any democratic society, free-market anarchism merely advocates a more open approach

1 hours later 4384696 Anonymous
Happiness is achievable both will lots of money and without lots of money. All you need is the will to be happy.

1 hours later 4384698 Anonymous
>>4384689 >most of this post is directed attacking using the word very three times and then some unsupported, inexperienced claim that people with excessive amounts of money are happy to get back to the topic-at-hand unless you have a lot of money and have some specific anecdotal evidence then I'd have to disagree. Those with money that live frivolously through lust, drugs, escapism and expensive things are only preoccupied - they are not happy. They need to keep on spending money to continue to be preoccupied so they don't have to be reminded that they're actually not happy

1 hours later 4384711 Anonymous
>>4384695 Wait, are you admitting that corporatism is OK?

1 hours later 4384717 Anonymous (Sour_grapes.jpg 688x1434 94kB)
>>4384698 m-kay. It seems neither of us have the experience to validate either of our assertions. I don't know why you're so dead set that one way to live is incorrect because you read so in a book

1 hours later 4384731 Anonymous
>>4384717 >m-kay. It seems neither of us have the experience to validate either of our assertions There are plenty of examples of actors, musicians, businessmen, writers and the like who have had access to immense wealth that never satiated their misery. >I don't know why you're so dead set that one way to live is incorrect because you read so in a book What's the point of arguing with someone if they're more concerned with imagining ways to marginalize things outside of the argument? And there is nothing new about what I'm saying but there is nothing false about it either. The greatest (but not true) sources of happiness come from genuine fulfillment (not validated by wealth).

1 hours later 4384742 Anonymous
>>4384711 No, I do not support anarcho-capitalism or tyranny, I was merely stating that thinkers in the subject do account for human behavior and violence.

1 hours later 4384750 Anonymous
>>4384731 There are examples of rich men who were satisfied my the higher standard of living that wealth brings. J.P. Morgan said he that he would recommend being wealthy to every one, and I'm sure your happier then some dirt poor african

1 hours later 4384759 Anonymous
>>4384750 > J.P. Morgan said he that he would recommend being wealthy to every one, and I'm sure your happier then some dirt poor african You mean more comfortable. Wealth gives you access to comforts to shield you from things such as hunger and thirst. Comfort isn't happiness. Happiness isn't just being shield from pain as the utilitarianists and hedonists would like you to believe

1 hours later 4384786 Anonymous
>>4384750 My father was an immigrant and as a result I have spent a lot of time around immigrants in my life. I've known many people who come from poor shit-tier countries like Afghanistan and Palestine looking for a better life in the U.S. Nearly every single one of them has told me that people were much happier where they came from. They say most Americans seem to be miserable and upset all the time. Could be a delusion created by homesickness, but regardless that's been my experience.

1 hours later 4384793 Anonymous
>>4384786 That's because Americans are isolated from their fellow man >>4384759 Don't knock it till you try it

1 hours later 4384803 Anonymous
>>4384460 Hedonism, of course. Nihilism isn't even an actual philosophy.

1 hours later 4384808 Anonymous
>>4384482 >>4384511 >>4384534 You two, just get out, pls.

1 hours later 4384811 Anonymous
>>4384482 >>4384534 >le allcaps butthole man

1 hours later 4384814 Anonymous
>>4384793 >That's because Americans are isolated from their fellow man I don't know, I've also traveled quite a bit and heard many people's negative opinions on Americans. Most of what they say can be applied to their own respective countries and citizens.

1 hours later 4384818 Anonymous
>>4384599 >anarcho-blank I hope you aren't including anarcho-individualism in here. But yeah, anarchists ignore the fact that humanity is just too stupid to do anything right.

1 hours later 4384825 Anonymous
>>4384460 the true nihilist does not exist. so, hedonism.

3 hours later 4385042 Anonymous
The idea of hedoism is one of the most important stepping stones towards modern utilitarism. If that shit is pleb then I don't know whats right anymore.

3 hours later 4385075 Anonymous
>>4384818 Humanity isn't just stupid, but selfish and violent. The whole idea of a stateless society is undermined by the pillars of human nature. We're just not good enough to be left alone.

3 hours later 4385097 Anonymous
>>4385042 the problem is assuming that hedonism is the utility function. a prior hedonistic principle can be used to justify anything, because it inevitably routes through anti-natalism, and hence contradiction (if its virtuous to end life [and thus, suffering], should we embrace lifes virtues so that we may more effectively destroy the universe? would killing ourselves not be shirking duty? etc etc), thus tripping the principle of explosion.

3 hours later 4385116 Anonymous
>>4385097 I never said hedonism is the end goal. I referred to it as a stepping stone.

3 hours later 4385122 Anonymous (pope.gif 144x161 20kB)
No, it is quite indisputably New Atheism .

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