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2013-09-25 07:58 4138442 Anonymous (7994.jpg 200x265 7kB)
>"Man is inherently good" what think?

1 min later 4138445 Anonymous
>>4138442 good for who or what?

3 min later 4138448 Anonymous
boring answer but i think most people have the capacity for both good and bad. it's circumstantial rather than innate.

4 min later 4138451 Anonymous
>>4138445 Probably for Man or maybe Nature

8 min later 4138459 Anonymous
>>4138451 >Nature Nature is pretty indifferent, bro

9 min later 4138462 Anonymous
Take out the "inherently good" part and it's alright.

10 min later 4138467 Anonymous
>>4138442 true the systems of control we have in place make humans do bad things

11 min later 4138469 Anonymous
>>4138442 Wrong. Men can only do good or evil, never be.

23 min later 4138483 Anonymous
'good' doesn't really mean anything

28 min later 4138490 Anonymous
>>4138483 You're a really boring person. Dull to the bone.

30 min later 4138493 Anonymous
"Good" and "bad" change depending on where you live and what year you were born in and so is not qualified to be a natural state of any kind. Man generally adapts the patterns that benefit his survival and if those patterns happen to correlate with supporting female circumcision (= bad in our culture), then so be it. Survival is indifferent to the human made concepts it builds around the extraneous mechanisms that result from it.

43 min later 4138505 Anonymous
>>4138490 I probably am, man. :'( feels really bad

43 min later 4138506 Anonymous
White men or black men?

44 min later 4138509 Anonymous
>>4138505 Hey, at least you're inherently good!

48 min later 4138514 Anonymous
I think it would be more correct to say that good is, inherently, man. It doesn't, as far as we know, exist beyond him.

54 min later 4138524 Anonymous
Man is.

1 hours later 4138546 Anonymous
>>4138442 what is good

1 hours later 4138552 Anonymous
>>4138442 That is wrong and Rousseau is objectively the worst political philosopher ever.

1 hours later 4138584 Anonymous
I think man is inherently capable of good. Good being widely open to interpretation but I think it's true that humans are inherently designed to get along with one another and the world around them simply because doing so would be necessary to survival. No man is an island, etc. Hence we have capacities for compassion, empathy, tolerance, and so on which are all important for basic cohesiveness. I wouldn't think of any of it as absolute however; very often the same necessities can require almost the opposite capacities.

1 hours later 4138602 Anonymous
>>4138552 why?

1 hours later 4138612 Anonymous
what good mean? what bad mean? shiggidy biased dichotomy...

1 hours later 4138613 Anonymous
>>4138602 History is a long list of examples of man's true nature. Man will always want more than another. Man only does good deeds to obtain pleasure and is therefore selfish in the extreme.

1 hours later 4138641 Anonymous
>>4138613 Ever considered pleasing others might provide us with pleasure? Couldn't man be good in this sense?

1 hours later 4138658 Anonymous
Man is inherently what man defines as good.

1 hours later 4138660 Anonymous
Man.

1 hours later 4138677 Anonymous
Man is inherently selfish, but becomes good through wisdom.

2 hours later 4138680 Anonymous
>>4138677 man is inherently good but becomes corrupted by society

2 hours later 4138691 Anonymous
>>4138680 Man actually is a fish that hides its tail really well.

2 hours later 4138695 Anonymous (Untitled.png 635x343 299kB)
Man is inherently good

2 hours later 4138708 Anonymous
>>4138691 Man is clearly a chicken, do you even Plato? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez1I gYWkzs8

2 hours later 4138713 Anonymous
Man is a savage creature only made noble through the pressure of his peers and the fear of their retaliation.

2 hours later 4138724 Anonymous
>>4138680 Society is made up of men. You're stupid.

2 hours later 4138728 Anonymous
>>4138724 men corrupted by materialism.

2 hours later 4138730 Anonymous (1335751656533.jpg 550x700 75kB)
>>4138713 Men, amirite?

2 hours later 4138740 Anonymous
>>4138728 Man is corrupted by mankind.

2 hours later 4138748 Anonymous
>>4138730 No, Dracula, you're not. But your definition of mankind is interesting.

4 hours later 4138957 Anonymous (IMG_00000004.jpg 2592x1456 826kB)
There is no good or bad. We only feel two base emotions FEAR and LOVE, all other emotions are reflections of those two. Depending on which energy you are feeling at the moment either fear or love you radiate that energy out and the actions you do in life will effect that. If one is in fear mode because he is homeless and decides to rob a kwiki-mart he's bad. If love mode is engaged the homeless guy might have not robbed a store but instead start giving love and support for others like him, start off small do something for another human being not because you want something in return but want to make someone smile. A smile you brought to their face all by sending out the love vibe. So to answer your question yes all men are good but we forget sometimes and get lost in the "me, me, me" phase. Now go hug somebody!!!

4 hours later 4138969 Anonymous
man is inherently unsure about what to do

4 hours later 4138970 Anonymous (donnie-gayo-gif.gif 500x200 471kB)
>>4138957 >We only feel two base emotions FEAR and LOVE

4 hours later 4138974 Anonymous
man as in mankind is a social term and goodness is socialized by default so yes man is inherently good.

4 hours later 4138978 Anonymous
Man is a meat canvas that paints itself in blood. The blood they use and what they paint is only good or bad based on opinion.

4 hours later 4138980 Anonymous
>man Wow, talk about sexism. It's not like women matter or anything, right?

4 hours later 4138985 Anonymous
the question isn't about man. it's if existence itself is inherently good or bad.

4 hours later 4139023 Anonymous
>>4138980 -1/10

5 hours later 4139079 Anonymous
>>4138613 yeah, beacuse history hasnt been written by a few powerhungry individuals

10 hours later 4139869 Anonymous
Nay, be a Columbus to whole new continents and worlds within you, opening new channels, not of trade, but of thought. Every man is the lord of a realm beside which the earthly empire of the Czar is but a petty state, a hummock left by the ice. . . . I learned this, at least, by my experiment: that if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. . . . Some are dinning in our ears that we Americans, and moderns generally, are intellectual dwarfs compared with the ancients, or even the Elizabethan men. But what is that to the purpose? A living dog is better than a dead lion. Shall a man go and hang himself because he belongs to the race of pygmies, and not be the biggest pygmy that he can? Let every one mind his own business, and endeavor to be what was made.

10 hours later 4139870 Anonymous
>man is born with thousands of cognitive biases, inherent tendencies towards irrationality >most can be simplified down to pride and greed >original sin is real >as a consequence of our unique capacity to reason we are also doomed to err And that's how I became a Hobbesian.

10 hours later 4139878 Anonymous
Man/Woman is inherently good

11 hours later 4139921 Anonymous
>>4139878 >Woman >good

11 hours later 4139933 Anonymous (fuck you.jpg 1464x1986 647kB)


11 hours later 4139935 Anonymous Super Propayaine v2 (Super Sayian of the Hill.png 518x600 245kB)
>>4138442 Depends on what man, depends on what good. We're dealing with ambiguity here. Some babies grow into toddlers who still are clean slates, but act like assholes. Don't you see the kids fighting over crayons in kindergarden or before so?

11 hours later 4139938 Anonymous (1380172586665.png 518x600 251kB)


11 hours later 4139943 Anonymous (carlton is disgust.jpg 221x252 11kB)
>>4139938 wat

11 hours later 4139944 Anonymous
Look, man is inherently selfish. Selfish being, for most people, a vice- thusly, evil. So, man is evil; however through cognition and morality can make a man good. You have been given the ability to discern between good and evil, you have an obligation to be good. Or at least I think so. Shit. I need a cigarette.

11 hours later 4139945 Anonymous (1379906284824.jpg 500x375 49kB)
>>4139933 >>4139938 Holy shit, I see it now...how did I not before?

11 hours later 4139957 Anonymous (1379906284824.jpg 500x375 49kB)
>>4139945 damn wrong image

11 hours later 4139965 Anonymous (1380172586665n.jpg 518x600 95kB)


15 hours later 4140302 Anonymous
>>4138493 gay

15 hours later 4140303 Anonymous
>>4140302 It's true, /b/fag.

16 hours later 4140319 Anonymous
I think so, nobody wakes up in the morning and thinks >I wish I could murder someone, or >Man I really want to rob someone. Nobody has dreams of being evil. The only reason someone would aspire to do bad things is because of their good points, like bank robbers being portrayed by media to be cool. That's my uneducated half cooked opinion, anyway.

16 hours later 4140335 Anonymous
This thread and the idea of "inherently good" are incredibly stupid. I thought you guys were supposed to be autistic, yet most of the replies ITT are conventional wisdom general that a freshman reading of Genealogie der Moral could debunk.

16 hours later 4140339 Anonymous (Ted_Bundy_headshot.jpg 600x830 31kB)
>>4140319 >nobody wakes up in the morning and thinks >>I wish I could murder someone, “Society wants to believe it can identify evil people, or bad or harmful people, but it's not practical. There are no stereotypes. Murder is not about lust and it's not about violence. It's about possession. When you feel the last breath of life coming out of the woman, you look into her eyes. At the point, it's being God.” - Ted Bundy

16 hours later 4140343 Anonymous (image.jpg 403x280 59kB)
>>4138442 >"inherently good" There's your problem. Inherent means it's an absolute truth. Even if you presuppose that there is absolute truth (which isn't necessarily something I believe), you can't truly argue that there is absolute truth of morals/values unless you are coming from a religious starting-point. >tl;dr- It's a bullshit question because it presupposes an absolute moral truth, which doesn't exist. In short, the answer is no, but that doesn't mean I think man is inherently neutral or bad.

17 hours later 4140345 Anonymous
>>4138509 11/10, made my morning.

17 hours later 4140348 Anonymous
>>4138658 This is bullshit, but it's close to the truth. Man also twists what he is and denies parts of himself. Man also defines evil as the things that he doesn't notice are performing some of the most essential functions within him.

17 hours later 4140350 Anonymous
>>4140339 I believe that's a result of perversion.

17 hours later 4140368 Anonymous (9206808_orig.jpg 225x146 5kB)
>>4140348 >Man also defines evil as the things that he doesn't notice are performing some of the most essential functions within him. No idea about what you are talking about and just spewing shit out of your ass. You aren't sociopaths, go to bed. >>4140343 Obviously you didn't come to such beliefs through rigorous rational thinking equipped with a high intelligence, no it is just the common thing to deny the concept of absolute truth (doesn't even define what that means in the first place) post-modernism and other nigger shit stick to wikipedia, kid >>4140339 pic related, hopefully for you it will be BOOM.... shot right in the dick and then later a headshot.

17 hours later 4140371 Anonymous
>>4138493 I would love to test people like you, in a saw sort of way. Nonetheless it is clear you don't know what you are talking about. Especially with the random remark about female circumcision Also stop being pretentious and using the word "man" like you're.... Rousseau or another famous intellectual >>4138514 >denying human superiority >>4138613 you are an emotional retard who has no history degree no intuitive feel for other people at all either, just a manchild immature juvenile generalization of your popular understanding of history

17 hours later 4140372 Anonymous
>>4138713 >>4138748 interesting to adolescents of course

17 hours later 4140373 Anonymous
>>4140343 >which doesn't exist. define exist prove that exist exists prove it you retard you have no authority you don't know anything or even the words you are using stick to reading your dumb fiction books kiddo

17 hours later 4140375 Anonymous
OH SHIT this thread is making me produce loosh again i must sleep before they attach themselves to me again fuck you nihilists i'll win in the end satanic fuckers all around kill them go to... university, ivy league or something top-tier but nope you're dumb and that's why you are here AND WRONG YOUR OPINION IS WRONG

17 hours later 4140378 Anonymous
Such an inane thread. I think I read the same reply 20 times. Boring, boring, boring as all fuck.

17 hours later 4140390 Anonymous
>>4138442 By "good" he means "innocent". We aren't angels.

25 hours later 4141144 Anonymous (image.jpg 483x471 70kB)
>>4140368 >2013 >not correcting anything you say is bullshit >spewing ad hominem and nothing else I know you are, but what am I? >>4140373 >define exist Present in reality. >prove that exist exists A concept used to judge relevance doesn't have to be physically present in reality to be useful. Whether or not, "exist exists," isn't relevant at all. >prove it you retard you have no authority you don't know anything or even the words you are using Within one sentence you placed burden of proof on me (even though I make no claim) instead of on the assertion that something exists (positive claim that holds burden of proof), used ad hominem and claimed that I am ignorant (to the degree that I don't know the words I use) without giving any evidence or even a reason. Good job, faggot. You are the fucktard of the day. >stick to reading your dumb fiction books kiddo Implies I read fiction as well as that fiction is less worthy than nonfiction, both without any evidence or reasoning. Wow. I'm impressed. Did you spend your life studying the life and work of Cicero, because you write a persuasive and eloquent argument with no rhetorical/logical fallacies. >pic related

26 hours later 4141174 Anonymous (zarathustra-motivator14.jpg 630x420 111kB)
Define good.

26 hours later 4141195 Anonymous
>>4141144 Back to reddit you xkcd faggot. Go learn some real logic instead of your stupid logical fallacy shit you pretentious dawkins cock sucker.

26 hours later 4141201 Anonymous
>>4141174 goddamn ur so edgy and wise WOW /thread

26 hours later 4141250 Anonymous (image.jpg 625x626 136kB)
>>4141195

27 hours later 4141367 Anonymous
>>4138442 It all depends on the context. There is no natural environment for man, so you cannot tell whether he is inherently good. It's like people who don't understand heritability saying "how much of your height is due to genetics?". This would of course be defining "good" as our current conventional morality, which is completely arbitrary. But as some anon said above me, man tends to conform to whatever societal morality they grow up in. Like if it was deemed a moral obligation to lick a pole every time you passed one, I'd say that most people would do it.

27 hours later 4141378 Anonymous
Meaningless phrase that serves as a rhetorical justification for social engineering politics.

27 hours later 4141388 Anonymous
>>4138442 Man is a social animal. Man largely succeeds in this task of society building. Man is good until societies/cultures clash. Wen this happens the superior culture will when or a synthesis will occur. Think about he trial nature of man. Man is good for his tribe whatever that may be for him: his nation, his community, his religion, his family, etc.

27 hours later 4141395 Anonymous
>>4141378 You're confused. Man's 'inherent evil' is used to justify the Leviathan. The statement OP references is far more of a libertarian statement than a statist one.

27 hours later 4141397 Anonymous
>>4141388 >wen >when Fucking typos

27 hours later 4141404 Anonymous
>>4141395 Men being "inherently good" but "corrupted by society" means that evil will lie not in the individual men, but in society, and only by radically changing society will we be able to rid ourselves of the evil in men. Changes must be sweeping, they need to "strike at the system", as any sort of punctual change keeps the system intact. But of course, the point where men will be "good" will never come (because it is impossible to tell), so "society" will still be blamed, no change will be enough, and the revolutionary group will need more power to keep changing society in order to purge from it what makes men evil. It's a key concept for the revolutionary mentality.

27 hours later 4141432 Anonymous
>>4141404 As I see it man is inherently good because wherever we see a deliberate society of humans we see a cohesive unit. If we were to judge man only by looking at those points where human societies and cultures collide we would be making an unfair judgement because man is by nature social whereas conflicts of scale merely represent the decline or synthesis of cultures or societies. Both evil and good lie in society in the social sense. Social engineering usually produces that evil clash of disparate elements. When a state which is alienated from the nation and culture attempts to impose its will then it acts as an invading culture. Man is inherently good and the friction of an invasive state is unwelcome.

27 hours later 4141438 Piers Morgan (1366860011100.jpg 500x500 38kB)
>>4138442 I think it's more accurate to say that Man has the right to be good. Certain elements of our society have allowed to be aware of the dichotomy between good and bad and judge which one fits for us.

27 hours later 4141451 Anonymous
>>4141440 These are all social groups. If man is willingly part of a group for the purposes of that group then he does the good of that group. You didn't make a single statement other than one of inarticulate rage. Calm down. I've taken several philosophy classes, but I received my BS in mathematics.

27 hours later 4141453 Anonymous
Man is inherently true neutral.

27 hours later 4141456 Piers Morgan (1374081996312.jpg 500x400 49kB)
>>4141444 Hey man, I totally overslept today and my brain is totally jumbled up. "Certain elements" can be defined as: - Working through deceit in order to get farther vs. working honestly in order to maintain integrity - Following one's desires and usurping responsibilities towards others vs. accepting one's duty. - The propensity for a society to be individualistic vs. collectivism There are many more dichotomies. In no way am I limiting the difference between good and bad in just two paths, as morals and ethics are often blurred as ambiguous and entirely subjective.

27 hours later 4141466 Anonymous
>>4141458 >randomly I don't think you know what that word means.

27 hours later 4141469 Piers Morgan (1364267994230.gif 285x242 1532kB)
>>4141461 Wow. I think your judgment to analyze a post is clouded by the fact that you are irrationally upset. Go wash your face and come back, kiddo

28 hours later 4141474 Anonymous
>>4141458 >"I've had it" >proceeds to spam thread Top lel. Enjoy your ban.

28 hours later 4141490 Anonymous (Daphne Rosen (1).jpg 600x902 171kB)
>Thoughtful and meaningful discussion on 4chan is inherently impossible. what think?

28 hours later 4141493 Anonymous
>>4141490 i love daphne rosen

28 hours later 4141506 Anonymous
>>4141491 Ask yourself what your direct senses actually inform you of. Cast away all of your superfluous thoughts.

28 hours later 4141512 Anonymous
This question baffled me and left me exhausted; I don't know what to think. I have read very little and experienced even less to formulate an opinion. I like to think that people are good, but the cynic in me refuses to accept such statements. I don't know what to think; it's pure torture.

28 hours later 4141541 Anonymous (alpha.gif 245x276 1766kB)
>>4141490 >dose tittays

28 hours later 4141569 Anonymous
Man is what his culture is and the standards that culture sets. Man's emotions are malleable and ever changing. Man will ultimately do the easiest and most beneficial.

28 hours later 4141572 Anonymous (smug dog.jpg 387x505 31kB)
>>4141569 but who creates the culture?

28 hours later 4141581 Anonymous (1238790_1417590405131504_622869037_n.jpg 480x480 11kB)
>>4141572 you got me there.

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