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2013-08-06 12:26 4005024 Anonymous (Consider the Following.gif 500x374 511kB)
The Myth of Sisyphus bullshit is just a way for existentialists to pussy out and try to make nihilism out to be bullshit when it's actually the only philosophy that makes any sense and suicide actually makes a ton of sense and is super appealing

1 min later 4005027 Anonymous
then kill yourself camus and the pronatalists: over9000 you and the antinatalists: 0

4 min later 4005034 Anonymous
That use is not forbidden usury

6 min later 4005035 Anonymous
>>4005024 >existentialism >at all >ever SHUT IT DOWN

8 min later 4005038 Anonymous (Harrison Ford Gets His Red Wings.jpg 1024x768 113kB)
>>4005027

9 min later 4005041 Anonymous
>Life doesn't have meaning. >Until you say it does then it TOTALLY DOES! :D Existentialist logic pfft it's as delusional as organized religion (inb4 fedora atheist bullshit I hate atheism too)

11 min later 4005045 Anonymous
>>4005041 That's not the absurdists line, though. and Camus wasn't an existentialist

13 min later 4005047 Anonymous
>>4005045 He might as well have been >No guys I know life is objectively shit and meaningless and dull and repetitive bulslhit but check this out....just live it anyway!

13 min later 4005048 Anonymous
>>4005041 What's wrong with that logic?

15 min later 4005050 Anonymous
Camus talks about metaphysical suicide, not the pragmatic suicide. he's arguing against killing yourself in response to meaningless not killing yourself because your life is shitty and owe to much debt.

17 min later 4005052 Anonymous
>>4005048 Here's an example of why it's wrong: "hey dude know how that coffee mug is white?" "Yeah?" "Well now it's purple!" "But why?" "Cause I said so!"

17 min later 4005053 Anonymous
>>4005050 there are also other suicides like ritualistic self immolation and whatnot which are also different from what Camus and exisentialism is concerned with.

17 min later 4005056 Anonymous
>>4005050 Okay? Who said OP wasn't talking about metaphysical suicide you stupid faggot

18 min later 4005058 Anonymous
>>4005052 How is it wrong though?

20 min later 4005061 Anonymous
>>4005056 he might have been but he never made the clarification. none the less, he's still not right. Camus makes it clear that suicide as a metaphysical option is only 1 of many options (like having a cup of coffee), not the logically necessary one ('super appealing').

21 min later 4005063 Anonymous (husky.png 410x404 46kB)
>>4005058

22 min later 4005067 Anonymous
>>4005061 You experience. If you do not enjoy experience or see no point in experience, the better option is not experiencing. Suicide can bring upon that non-experience. A cup of coffee can't camus is wrong. you're a faggot

24 min later 4005071 Anonymous
>>4005063 Because when you look at it through a different, it's true.

27 min later 4005075 Anonymous (Will Ferrell.jpg 400x300 32kB)
>>4005071 whatever

27 min later 4005076 Anonymous
>>4005067 >Suicide can bring upon that non-experience. on faith. and faith submits to the absurd.

31 min later 4005085 Anonymous
Whenever someone posts a "consider the following" image, the post is almost invariably some cocky garbage written by a preteen who thinks s/he figured out the world yesterday.

31 min later 4005087 Anonymous
>>4005076 >on faith >faith submits to the Absurd Okaaaay....so how does that make wrong?

32 min later 4005088 Anonymous
>>4005067 if you do not enjoy the whole of experience, you are lying to make a theoretical point but in any case, non existence can't be argued on moral grounds since it transcends the good/bad dichotomy.

38 min later 4005099 Anonymous
>>4005087 how does it make it right?

42 min later 4005106 Anonymous
>>4005085 Or, you know, a troll.

1 hours later 4005138 Anonymous
The Myth of Sisyphus was a terrible piece of philosophy, but that doesn't somehow validate nihilism and suicide.

1 hours later 4005143 Anonymous
>>4005138 terrible as in not rigorous. But I prefer philosophy that is emotional and contextual. fictions are greater fact, not least because facts are still largely fictions.

1 hours later 4005165 Anonymous
>>4005067 You are conflating these things >If you do not enjoy experience then it's a personal problem and suicide is the practical solution. Not what the myth of sisyphus talks about. Camus is not your therapist. >see no point in experience ending your personal experience doesn't resolve meaninglessness. The point of the myth of sisyphus is a metaphysical one in association with Kierkegaard and Aquinas

1 hours later 4005186 Anonymous
>>4005165 >ending your personal experience doesn't resolve meaninglessness. To that end it only has the same effect as changing your experience which doesn’t respond to the meaninglessness/nihilism of the cosmos (Camus never tried to 'make this out to be bullshit'). >The point of the myth of sisyphus is a metaphysical one in association with Kierkegaard and Aquinas. Kierkegaard goes off in search of extreme relative subjectivist faith for answers, Aquinas goes off in search of reason and explanation for answers, the point of the myth of the sisyphys is to show that you can stand stubbornly in between. (inbetween god and atheism, but also between nazis and commies and all other devotions to meaning and answers because those devotions end up in a bloody stalinistic mess) Camus never tried to argue against nihilism. His whole point was about how the world is hopelessly against us. his difference with nihilists is that humans aren't hopeless. he said that we try to find reasons and that's hope but that the nihilisism of everything won't allow us to find it, or create reason and purpose (which is the tenant of existentialism and this difference is why camus is not an existentialist.)

1 hours later 4005187 Anonymous
sorry read these as the same comment. >>4005165 >>4005186

1 hours later 4005206 Anonymous
>>4005187 So the nihilists might be right in that even humans, as well as the cosmos, are pointless lumps of matter (difficult to find any real nihilist but imagine them theoretically) and suicide might be ‘appealing’. but the myth of Sisyphus not to pretend that suicide is not compelling. it’s to show that suicide is not an answer.

3 hours later 4005383 Anonymous
>>4005024 >The Myth of Sisyphus bullshit is just a way for existentialists >Not realizing Camus was the only existentialist who didn't write bullshit metaphysics >Not realizing Camus wrote practical philosophy like Marcus Aurelius and not obscure shit like 'muh essence muh free will' like Sartre >Not realizing you can admire Camus while admiring other philosophers like the mighty David Hume, Spinoza, and Quine without being a contradictory piece of shit stay pleb

3 hours later 4005390 Anonymous
>>4005383 there's no reason to admire camus because he was a loser whose "philosophical" outlook is on the same level of marilyn monroe quotes

3 hours later 4005397 Anonymous
>>4005390 > he was a loser whose "philosophical" outlook is on the same level of marilyn monroe quotes >he was a loser >nobel prize winner >never posted on 4chan quit projecting

3 hours later 4005411 Anonymous (Koala.jpg 1024x768 780kB)
>>4005397 i wouldn't necessarily consider somebody not a loser for winning a nobel prize in literature, and i definitely wouldn't consider somebody not a loser for writing l'etranger

3 hours later 4005415 Anonymous (1373587546710.png 457x450 18kB)
>>4005411 I tip my fedora to you as well my friend! Dawkins is totally better! He deserves the nobel prize in peace, science, and philosophy!

3 hours later 4005418 Anonymous
>>4005415 i would put dawkins and camus on the same level. btw i'm a christian, so i'm not sure why you are implying that i like dawkins.

4 hours later 4005515 Anonymous
>spending actual time and effort caring about the meaning of life instead of accepting the inherent value of life in order to free up time and thought for useful matters /lit/ i am disappoint

5 hours later 4005532 Celebes
>>4005383 >Marcus Aurelius Why is everyone talking about this man lately?

5 hours later 4005536 Anonymous
>>4005383 Although often cited as a proponent of existentialism, the philosophy with which Camus was associated during his own lifetime, he rejected this particular label.[2] In an interview in 1945, Camus rejected any ideological associations: "No, I am not an existentialist. Sartre and I are always surprised to see our names linked..."[3]

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