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2015-02-21 12:23 4014109 ricecake anon Trans Help General #53 (image.jpg 675x902 152kB)
This is the Trans Help General thread. We'll try to help you here with everything related to being transgender. This includes questioning, appearance, daily trans problems, medical info, general info and other interesting stuff to name a few. MTF, FTM and questioning people are all welcome here to help eachother and discuss possible solutions. You can also share your transgender related stories here. Just came out? Or you just need to get something off your chest? Maybe something wonderful happened today! We'll be glad to hear it, it's always good to know we're not going through this alone. Links: Articles, Studies and General information about Questioning, Transitioning and other stuff: http://pastebin.com/CyW1dXV8 Lots of useful links about/for transgender people: http://pastebin.com/h1vLPxyV Transgender FAQ: http://pastebin.com/8QbKyShU Am i trans/ trans help threads archive: http://pastebin.com/CPzj0xv9 Therapists: http://www.t-vox.org/index.php?titl e=Therapists_by_region http://therapists.psychologytoday.c om/rms/prof_search.php sort by transsexual issues What will hormones do? mtf: http://imgur.com/lDBLSVR ftm: http://imgur.com/HqTqvJg Previous thread: >>3993002

7 min later 4014121 Anonymous
I'm FtM and I have a good amount of trouble passing even though I've been on T for a year and had top surgery. I've always been a bit on the heavy side, which makes it a lot worse. Any tips on how to minimize babyface/fat thighs?

8 min later 4014125 Anonymous
>>4014121 Are you /fit/?

21 min later 4014146 Anonymous
>>4014125 Nah. Short, fat, and I can't exercise much due to health issues. >tfw look like a middle school butch lesbian with a mustache Do compression shorts work on thighs at all? I've only heard of FtMs using them for butts, which isn't a problem for me, but I figured it might be worth asking.

38 min later 4014175 Anonymous
>>4014146 topfuckingkek

52 min later 4014204 Anonymous
Hello, does anyone know about female hormones on males around the age of 16 or know any one who has taken them and their experiences

1 hours later 4014229 Anonymous
>>4014204 Underaged b& >get off 4chan >look up trans youth resources

1 hours later 4014263 Anonymous
>>4014109 I know I asked this in the last thread... I found some of what was said helpful but I think the conversation is often so US-centric it helps to prompt discussion- Any experiences, advice, details on self-medding or options in the UK? Especially for non-binary folks. Don't worry about answering if you did already in the last thread and don't want to again.

1 hours later 4014323 Anonymous
Laser works on face for hair remove?

1 hours later 4014327 Calamity
>>4014323 Depends on hair and skin colour.

1 hours later 4014331 Anonymous (20150221_142117.jpg 640x480 100kB)
>>4014327 >>4014323 Here

2 hours later 4014338 Calamity
>>4014331 yeah dark hair on light skin is good. you can totally laser that

2 hours later 4014353 Anonymous
>>4014338 OK thanks <3

3 hours later 4014501 Anonymous
I'm on spiro, progynova and finasteride. I consider starting to take beer yeast too, to get an healthier skin, hair and nails. Is it a good idea?

5 hours later 4014753 Anonymous
is diy hrt illegal in the UK? and would anyone bother doing it rather than going through all the nhs bullshit?

5 hours later 4014810 Anonymous
>>4014753 Not illegal. Your GP might raise an eyebrow at you though.

6 hours later 4014883 Anonymous
anyone from singapore here, or at least familiar with the system? just want to know who i should go to to get a psych evaluation and hopefully a HRT prescription. and what's the usual process like? is it something like psych evaluation -> referral to endo -> HRT? or what?

6 hours later 4014956 Anonymous
>>4014883 Pretty sure you can get HRT in Singapore but you should really ask a doctor or something. Singapore is kinda unknown to western countries so I really can't help to much but good luck.

6 hours later 4014971 Anonymous
>>4014956 no problem, appreciate your help. thing is this place is pretty homophobic in a lot of places so I'm fairly averse to blabbing willy-nilly to any random doctor, so i'm holding out for a miracle here :p thanks anyway.

6 hours later 4015002 Anonymous
>>4014883 That's how it goes in most places, but I forget about Singapore's system. I even did a bit of research on it a few years ago because I was seriously considering moving there for my studies... So I can at least tell you there is some sort of system, but that's all I can say for sure...

7 hours later 4015016 Anonymous
>>4015002 Heh, funny thing is I'm probably going in the other direction. I probably won't study here for much longer, I'm working towards being able to study in Canada or the US, ideally Canada. And I think I know enough about there being a system but it's hard to know where to start. This really sucks - all the literature out there about the process is centred around the American system so I don't know as much about my local system as I should.

9 hours later 4015392 Anonymous
>>4014501 >beer yeast nope

9 hours later 4015415 Anonymous
>>4015392 Explain further.

10 hours later 4015492 Anonymous
>>4014331 didn't know this was upside down at first, looked like testicles attached to someone's back..

10 hours later 4015526 Anonymous (20150221_142117.jpg 640x480 57kB)
>>4015492 Better?

10 hours later 4015628 Anonymous
I'm trying to work up the nerve to finally get some help. What should I expect? Are psychs accepting of these things? I feel like I'll be aggressively interrogated or something.

11 hours later 4015756 Anonymous
>>4015628 My experience with therapy has been really positive. Some are really conservative and uninformed, but if you look up a psychologist online and look through their website you should get an idea of how they'll respond

11 hours later 4015800 Anonymous
>>4015756 I'm just going to a local place, I have no idea who I will talk to

11 hours later 4015810 Anonymous
>>4015800 Good luck then. If it doesn't turn out well, you can always look online to see if there are local alternatives.

11 hours later 4015818 Anonymous
>>4015810 I don't have any alternatives im afraid

14 hours later 4016686 Anonymous
>>4014753 Not illegal but you might die, which would sort of make the whole exercise pointless

14 hours later 4016801 Anonymous
>>4016686 Stop scaring anon, it's safe so long as you know what you're doing, they prescribe the same shit.

15 hours later 4016938 Anonymous
>>4016801 But what about kidney/liver damage? I agree salt & potassium issues can be avoided with research, though.

15 hours later 4016971 Anonymous
Is it weird that I'm MtF pre-everything and don't really care about clothes?

15 hours later 4016981 Calamity
>>4016971 not really

16 hours later 4017030 Anonymous
>>4016938 There are obvious signs to liver damage. If you are educated you can watch out for them. Don't overdose yourself, and try and avoid oral when you can. The risks aren't that big as long as you aren't doing anything else to damage your liver.

16 hours later 4017046 Anonymous
>>4016971 Nah, plenty of cis women don't care about clothes either.

16 hours later 4017075 Anonymous
>>4016971 I didn't, but I do care a lot more now. I notice when my clothes have holes or stains now, and I don't feel comfortable wearing them. And while I am not too picky I don't like it anymore if the colors I am wearing clash. Something I also didn't notice before. And my more male oriented clothing I don't want to wear anymore. Even if you don't change afterwards it's still not weird. Everyone is different. Just letting you know it might change. And the change didn't take long either. For me mentally I noticed effects of hormones right away, and I don't think it's just placebo as I noticed a lot of things I didn't even expect would change.

16 hours later 4017150 Anonymous
Body shaving mtf advice?

16 hours later 4017160 Anonymous
>>4017150 Exfoliate often.

17 hours later 4017182 Anonymous
>>4017160 Will that prevent the dots?

17 hours later 4017185 Anonymous
>>4017182 It should, yeah. Also, eventually your skin adapts and it isn't as itchy and it doesn't leave as many dots anymore.

17 hours later 4017192 Anonymous
please join #transbians on mibbit, we need friends.. http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?ch annel=%23Transbians&server=irc.mibb it.net

17 hours later 4017193 Anonymous
>>4017185 Great, I've found using conditioner prevent rash so I don't get rash or anything, it's just the want for smoothness

17 hours later 4017251 Anonymous
>>4017193 In addition: shaving pubes and ass etc? Advise?

17 hours later 4017262 Anonymous
Mtf, 22 pre everything. What can I realistically expect from hrt in terms of curve production? Particularly around the hips, how likely is it they wouldn't have fused? Are there any surgeries for that area?

17 hours later 4017266 Anonymous
>>4017262 Your hip bones probably won't grow much, if at all, but if you gain weight it will most likely go there and pad the area out some.

17 hours later 4017267 Anonymous
>>4017262 Pretty unlikely, but fat redistribution should help develop curves. I started a few months before I turned 22 and 1 year later I've had pretty good results in that regard.

17 hours later 4017294 Anonymous
>>4017266 >>4017267 I wish I hadn't been in denial second guessing myself for so long. Feel like it's too late and I'll never pass for and be seen as a real woman. Getting on meds in puberty would have been so cash.

17 hours later 4017298 Anonymous
>>4017294 There's still time. Plenty of people pass just fine after a while on hormones after puberty.

17 hours later 4017315 Anonymous
>>4017298 But even if that happens, I've wasted most of my youth in the wrong body. Feels like I'm missing out on something significant. Also going to make the social transition painful as hell. Oh well. What's the best way to go about permanent body hair removal? How much terminal hair can I expect to convert to vellous hair from hrt?

17 hours later 4017325 Anonymous
>>4017315 IT varies a lot. I didn't get much body hair change with HRT. As for removal, if you have light skin and dark hair laser is the way to go.

18 hours later 4017403 Anonymous
This isn't really a help question cuz it's not happening to me right now, but how common is balding in ftms? ;_; i have this irrational fear of losing all my hair...has balding happened to any ftms here and if so what'd you guys do about it (if anything)? it's honestly the only thing holding me back from starting t

18 hours later 4017422 Anonymous
Will male pattern muscle/fat convert to female on hrt or only what is put on later?

18 hours later 4017439 Anonymous
>>4017251 Be very very carful.

18 hours later 4017465 Anonymous
>>4017403 Well, androgenic allopecia happens when your hair follicles are sensitive to dihydrotestosterone, which is a byproduct of testosterone processing. So yeah, if you've got the genes for sensitive follicles I think you'd still lose your hair. Enjoy manhood!

18 hours later 4017473 Anonymous
>>4017422 you'll slowly lose the male pattern and gain in female pattern.

18 hours later 4017487 Anonymous (tumblr_inline_njhaafH1W51qfnfiq.gif 245x184 1377kB)
>>4017403 >keeping your hair >as a male

18 hours later 4017521 Anonymous
>>4017465 Probably a dumb follow up question but who should I look at in my family to figure out if it'll happen to me? I've heard some people say to look at brothers and others to look at your dad. Any consensus on where I should look?

19 hours later 4017531 Anonymous
>>4017403 If you get bottom surgery you won't lose your hair. Period. If you don't and are taking an anti androgen then it all depends on exactly how sensitive you are.

19 hours later 4017556 Anonymous (god dammit.jpg 550x668 47kB)
>>4017521 Conventional wisdom says look to your grandfather on your mother's side, but I don't think it's entirely sex-linked. There are a whole lot of SNPs that contribute to your chances, so take an average of all your close male relatives.

19 hours later 4017609 Anonymous
>>4017531 wot

19 hours later 4017637 Anonymous
I just read the page by Anne Vitale ( http://avitale.com/developmentalrev iew.htm ) and the group 3 in the paper describes me perfectly, but it doesn't change anything. What can I do?

19 hours later 4017642 Anonymous
>>4017609 Hair loss is the result of male hormones. In particular DHT. Anti androgens work to suppress those hormones. However some people are just more sensitive to their effects than others (the male hormones). So wither or not you will see hair loss while taking an anti androgen depends on genetics. If your levels are in the normal range for a natal women though there shouldn't really be any risk of hair loss. So if you are self regulating like you can in some countries. Especially if you are going the herbal route (There is a good herbal estrogen out there. Herbal anti androgens are another story.). Then obviously there are still risks of hair loss, but they should still be greatly diminished. Now if you go ahead with SRS then you lose your testosterone factory. That things that is the cause of hair loss is gone. You won't regrow old hair, but it will prevent hair loss.

19 hours later 4017650 Anonymous
>>4017642 The original poster was ftm, just so you know.

19 hours later 4017659 Anonymous
>>4017650 Yeah I see now that you've pointed it out. For some reason every time I read it I read it wrong. I feel a little dyslexic for the first time in my life. Hormones have been messing with my focus. Oh well no harm done.

19 hours later 4017666 Anonymous
>>4017659 Was trying to figure out why an ftm would take antiandrogens lol.

19 hours later 4017669 Anonymous
>>4017637 G3 just sounds like trannies in denial. so get on dem hormones, girl-son

19 hours later 4017675 Anonymous
>>4017403 Use rogaine with T. It doesn't affect DHT so you get all the benefits from transitioning and you grow better facial hair and stop balding from happening.

22 hours later 4017932 Anonymous
So I think I've finally come to terms with the fact that I'm trans. Strange thing is, now I don't really feel all that much dysphoria. Before, I was getting pretty depressed about the whole thing. Right now, I'm alright with being a guy. I'd still love to be a girl, and I'm actually kinda looking forward to talking with a therapist and getting started on HRT, but being a guy doesn't seem all that bad right now. Not great, but not terrible either. Is that normal?

22 hours later 4017941 Anonymous
Does hrt affect pheromone production?

22 hours later 4017955 Anonymous
>>4017251 its easier to shave your pubes if you got a boner, seriously. As for your ass, get a mirror and place a mat under you to catch the ass hair.

22 hours later 4017974 Anonymous
>>4017932 could be that acceptance took a weight off your shoulders and your dysphoria got less as a result. That and dysphoria comes in waves, so you might see it coming back very soon. >>4017941 Pheromones in humans are an undecided myth

22 hours later 4017986 Anonymous
>>4017974 I think it's pretty clear axillary steroids are a thing at this point.

23 hours later 4018076 Anonymous
For CD's are there any lotions or stuff that gets you in the mosquito bite tits area?

23 hours later 4018078 Anonymous
>cant deal with psych and doctor appointments being too far apart i don't know, guys and girls, i think i'm better off just giving up on life right now. goodbye you all, i love you all and be awesome.

23 hours later 4018085 Anonymous
how do i voice train in depth? i never make progress, candifla is so vague.

23 hours later 4018163 Anonymous
>>4018076 Why not just go on hrt for a few months, then go off? Geeze, you people act like it's so hard and horrible to get real HRT, then want some herbal shit, usually with negative side-effects do to the same shit. Qhi.co.uk Have fun.

24 hours later 4018202 Anonymous
>>4018078 post results

24 hours later 4018205 Anonymous
>>4018078 stay strong. keep fighting.

25 hours later 4018366 Anonymous
>>4018163 Some people don't want to die of kidney/liver damage

25 hours later 4018372 Anonymous
>>4014109 Non-binary trans anon in the UK looking for HRT but not surgery. Anybody know whether/how much being non-binary rather than "proper" trans will make it harder for me to go through my GP etc. (i.e. official channels for HRT)? Specifically asking UK anons as attitudes etc. are kind of different in the UK compared to USA. And if I do get to see a therapist or endocrinologist or whatever, what are some of the questions I can expect to be asked? So I can have some idea of what to say when I'm put on the spot... General non-binary transition experiences in the UK appreciated too.

26 hours later 4018396 Anonymous (1423345860815.gif 212x176 947kB)
>>4018372 >Non-binary >trans anon What does that mean?

26 hours later 4018415 Anonymous
>>4018396 Are you new here? "non-binary" means anon identifies as neither male nor female, probably somewhere inbetween "trans" is short for transgender "anon" is short for 'Anonymous', aka the default username displayed on 4Chan posts- 'anon' is usually used here to mean a user of 4chan lurk moar

26 hours later 4018506 Anonymous
>>4017974 >Pheromones in humans are an undecided myth Actually they are there. We produce them, however the primary nerve path for getting the signals from the smell sensors that sense them to the brain was lost to a genetic mutation ages ago. Oops...

27 hours later 4018542 Anonymous
I am getting silicone ass injections tomorrow. Don't stop me

27 hours later 4018551 Anonymous
>>4018542 that's disgusting anon

27 hours later 4018568 Anonymous
>>4018366 HRT causes less damage than drinking regularly anon, and not heavily either. Herbal shit is more likely to cause damage, as HRT estrogen is bio-identical, and thus the safest option.

27 hours later 4018580 Anonymous
>>4018568 Then what is bloodwork for??

27 hours later 4018589 Anonymous
>>4018580 to see if the hrt's giving you high blood pressure

27 hours later 4018595 Anonymous
>>4018580 To see if your E and T levels are where they are supposed to be and to see if you aren't fucking up your liver, it's rare but it can happen. >>4018589 Blood pressure isn't measured with bloodwork, it's done separatly.

27 hours later 4018597 Anonymous
>>4018372 Its not gonna happen, i'll tell you that. non binaries don't get treated because you don't exist in their eyes. Convince them you want to be a girl or get no hormones. >>4018580 Check for diseases, deficiencies, right hormone levels, blood pressure, liver function etc.

28 hours later 4018699 Anonymous
>>4018597 Was afraid of that, what a motherfucker. This being in the UK? What happens when they start pushing for me to follow through and get surgery?

28 hours later 4018751 Anonymous
>>4018568 >as HRT estrogen is bio-identical, and thus the safest option. Bioidentical does not mean safest. That's piss poor logic right there. Bioidentical means it is fairly safe, and we know that because all humans have it. It's effects have been used forever, and we know that there are minimal risks. Pueraria Mirifica the only real phytoestrogen is similar in potency and structure in estradiol. Has been used since at least the 1300s, and does not have reports of health problems. It is likely just as safe as actual estradiol. Every other phytoestrogen is the problem. Those you need to ingest massive quantities to see results. Don't take any other phytoestrogen for it's estrogenic effect. They really aren't worth it. No seriously Deoxymiroestrols is hundreds to thousands of times as effect as other known phytoestrogens (different tests yield very different results, but Deoxymiroestrols always blows the herbal competition away.

28 hours later 4018787 Anonymous
>>4018751 >similar in potency and structure in estradiol. Not at all. Phytoestrogens aren't even close to actual human estrogen, and the herbs are hard on the liver in the amount you need to take to get any effect at all. This goes for Pueraria Mirifica as much as other herbs. You want to transition and do it as safely as possible? Take the same stuff the body would make naturally, and not some herb or other unnatural (for the body) estrogen.

28 hours later 4018815 Anonymous
>>4018787 Actually it is close in structure to estradiol. Very close. You need to do some research on it before you go talking like you know what you are talking about. It is actually similar in potency to estradiol. .1-1 times the potency. Which is actually pretty damn close. People have been using the herb to femininze themselves it Thailand. It works, it is potent. You don't need to take the insanely high amounts like you do with other phytoestrogens. >http://www.sciencedirect.com/scien ce/article/pii/S0960076005000713 >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed /17957910 See look at that literally hundreds to thousands as times as effective as other phytoestrogens. I am not kidding you cannot lump it in with other phytoestrogens.

28 hours later 4018839 Anonymous
>>4018787 Also again with the it's natural argument. Just because something is found in the body does not mean there aren't safer and more potent alternatives. In this case the alternative is not more potent, but the point still stands. The human body is effective. It does what it is designed to do. It functions as it was designed to. And we know the chemicals in it serve a function. That does not mean they all serve a function as well as they could. Or that they can't be improved. Your argument that its bio identical so it must be the best is shitty. There is no logical basis for such an argument. What we can say because of it being bio identical is that it will function as estradiol does in the human body, and it is fairly safe. Wither or not there are better alternatives depends on actual evidence. You've provided non and just spouted baseless claims. Hitchen's Razor. An argument without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. And as to it being found it being bio identical and you acting like a plant can't be as potent. Well I'll just remind you of opium, marijuana, psilocybin, etc. There are a number of drugs, which aren't necessarily used for health benefits, but are more potent than the chemicals found naturally in the human body. Go compare anandamide to THC. THC is more potent. It is a plant. Anandamide is bio identical. If your argument is that it is bio identical and that is why it is best this disproves that train of logic.

29 hours later 4018875 Anonymous
>>4018839 A big part of doing something safely is reducing risk. Rather than taking the risk that something else is more potent but still safe, you can take the thing that we already know is safe. Besides, more potent isn't necessarily better. Ethinyl estradiol is potent as hell, but it's worse than regular estradiol. >Go compare anandamide to THC. Anandamide is 7 times more potent than THC, but nice try. The reason you're not high all the time is that the body doesn't make that much of it. >If your argument is that it is bio identical and that is why it is best this disproves that train of logic. My argument is that it's lowest risk, due to the lack of unknowns involved. A bio-identical hormone is guaranteed to work the way you want, seeing as it IS the exact chemical you want it to function as, rather than being something similar but with uncertain effectiveness and safety. >>4018815 >Actually it is close in structure to estradiol. That's not enough. A lot of chemicals are close in structure, but have very different effects. I still haven't seen a single good argument to not just take regular estrogen, seeing as that is widely available and easy to get.

29 hours later 4018902 Anonymous (523523.gif 240x135 1599kB)
>>4018415 >"non-binary" means anon identifies as neither male nor female, probably somewhere inbetween I know. >"trans" is short for transgender But how can you be ''non-binary'' and trans? > non-binary = I'm not male nor female > transgender = I'm the other gender How can you combine that shit? This doesn't sound as trans, this sounds like body modification

29 hours later 4018947 Anonymous
>>4018875 >That's not enough. A lot of chemicals are close in structure, but have very different effects. Except this doesn't have a very different effect. Look at the links I posted it has the same effect, and requires 10-1 times the amount to achieve the results. Now if you are trying to say it's the lowest risk. I'd argue that there is similar risks with pueraria mirifica. It has been used for health benefits since at least the 1300s. There is documentation of this. Trans women have been using it for years in Thailand for this very effect with no issues. This very root is likely why trans women are such a big part of their culture. Or at least likely a contributing factor. But I see the point why not take estradiol? Well I wasn't saying you shouldn't. Just pointing out because phytoestrogens were mentioned. That there is one that actually does work. And it does work. Some people can't get access to estradiol. Some people don't can but don't want to open up yet. If you are one of these people you can take pueraria mirifica. It does work. Now the real problem comes in with the herbal anti androgen. The most commonly used one Saw Palmetto does have uses among native america for hair loss, but how exactly it works, and to what degree. That is up for debate. And you really do want an anti androgen. So the herbal route still isn't that great. Not to mention Pueraria Mirifica costs more than estradiol. It is effective, but it will cost you more than the real thing.

29 hours later 4018982 Anonymous
>>4018947 >Except this doesn't have a very different effect. Look at the links I posted it has the same effect, and requires 10-1 times the amount to achieve the results. Those links don't say they have the same effect in therms of transgender HRT at all. The second link only looks at its effectiveness in reducing problems associated with menopause, but it's already known that phytoestrogens do this and you don't need them to be as effective as normal estrogen to have that result. HRT for menopause is very different from HRT for transition. Not to mention the study doesn't use bio-identical hormones as a control, it uses conjugated equine estrogens (like premarin) and says the phytoestrogens are similar to -them-. But CEEs do not have the same effect as bio-identical estrogen, so that's not exactly a promising comparison. None of those articles say that phytoestrogens can be used as a suitable alternative to bio-identical estrogen in transgender HRT. They say nothing about its effects in terms of feminization.

29 hours later 4019030 Anonymous
>>4018902 Sounds more like a transtrender that just needs to go back to tumblr

29 hours later 4019045 Anonymous
>>4018947 The first article talks about it being a full agonist. Having all the same effects as estradiol. Then it lists its potency at .1-1 times. It produces the same effects as estradiol, at a similar potency. This doesn't say how it works specifically for transgender individuals, but if one knows why estradiol works then they would know that a full agonist with similar potency will yield the same results. The whole reason they give you estrogen is because it is what causes the feminization effects. And Deoxymiroestrol is a 17β-oestradiol full agonist. The second study was to show in at least some effects it is similar in potency to CEE. Which is not bioidentical, but has been known to produce results in transgender individuals. This further supports that it is potent unlike every other phytoestrogen which cannot compare to Premarin. These are to establish that it is a potent estrogen. Now there isn't a lot of science in its application to trans individuals specifically. But it's a full agonist. We know it will produce the effects just like any full agonist. And there is a ton of anecdotal evidence to support it. And it has traditional uses dating back hundreds of years. It's used by Thai Lady boys and has been for quite some time. It works in feminization.

29 hours later 4019054 Anonymous
What does it means if, after 1 month of HRT, my semen gets thick again? Is the spiro getting less effective?

29 hours later 4019069 Anonymous
>>4019045 meant for >>4018982

30 hours later 4019107 Anonymous
>>4018902 If a NB gets dysphoria, they're probably trans. If not, they're a snowflake.

30 hours later 4019181 Anonymous
mtf here While I'm waiting for my hair to grow out, how do I style it in a feminine way? It's currently only about 3 inches long

30 hours later 4019206 Anonymous
So I've been on 4mg of estrogen and 200mg of Spiro for the past year. Only recently like in the past few months, my semen is cloudy. Slightly cloudy but noticeable. Ive been getting dry or clear liquid before that. Should I be worried the dosage isn't working or maybe the pills I have are bunk?

30 hours later 4019213 Anonymous (989.jpg 442x650 206kB)
>tfw pre-everything >tfw seeing pictures of hons fuck

30 hours later 4019217 Anonymous
>>4019213 Let's die together

31 hours later 4019284 Anonymous
Starting HRT if I was trans would lower my anxiety or make me feel better, right? What if I wasn't trans, would it still lower anxiety or make me feel less depressed? Would it do nothing? Make me feel worse?

31 hours later 4019287 Anonymous
>>4019284 You'd get worse because of the dysphoria induced by the hormones' effects.

31 hours later 4019292 Anonymous
>>4019284 >Starting HRT if I was trans would lower my anxiety or make me feel better, right? Not necessarily, cyproterone can fuck your mood independently of you being trans or not.

31 hours later 4019308 Anonymous
>>4019287 So basically, if I was trans I'd feel better, and if I'm not I'd feel worse? Good to know. >>4019292 What about spiro?

31 hours later 4019318 Anonymous
>>4019284 Since I started I've felt nothing but better. More comfortable with myself. The first night I knew it was right for me and there was no going back. I've put it off because I was worried I wouldn't pass. And I kept trying to avoid thinking about it. But now that I've started no I can't stop and I just feel wonderful about that.

31 hours later 4019320 Anonymous
>>4019054 >>4019206 pls respond

31 hours later 4019335 Anonymous
>>4019320 Could be that you need a higher dose now. I had the same thing but with my E levels dropping after 1 month. Wouldn't be surprised if the same thing could happen with T going back up as the body tries to adjust to the meds.

31 hours later 4019357 Anonymous
>>4018372 Just tell them that you are binary, I don't think anyone will force you too have surgery.

31 hours later 4019368 Anonymous
>>4018902 Usually the NB people that also consider themselves trans go with the tumblr definition of trans, that being you identify with a gender other than the one you were assigned at birth.

31 hours later 4019387 Anonymous
>>4018699 Just tell them you aren't happy with the current results. Probably would be easier to see if they'll let you get an orchi, so you don't have to stay on anti-androgens.

31 hours later 4019418 Valq
>>4019335 I get my shit online, self medding. I'm on 200mg Spiro and morning boners are coming back. I missed potassium and not peeing all the time so much I tried out cypro for a week, got boners and sex drive went through the roof, so I got scared and switched back. >tfw I really really need blood tests but I can't make the 2.5 hour journey to the airport in my shitbox vehicle to fly home for $90 and get my tests On a side note, I want to go legit really bad but do I still need to go through asstons of therapy even though I've been at this for 4 months? I mean, if they say no, or if I need a million sessions; I can't afford the travel and I'll just continue self-medding until it destroys my organs

31 hours later 4019426 Anonymous
>>4019418 Depends. Try to find an informed consent clinic nearby and if there isn't one, ask a doctor. Some of them will let you keep going without therapy.

32 hours later 4019525 Anonymous (800px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png 800x480 2kB)
Why is it impossible to get hormones online in this first world shithole? I'm on the verge of suicide here. I can't afford to waste another year trying to convince my old-world doctor to periscope me hormones if I want to have any chance of passing. Please, anyone. I need a source I'm literally running out of time.

32 hours later 4019544 Anonymous
>>4019525 >periscope me hormones kek

32 hours later 4019549 Anonymous
>>4019525 >running out of time age?

32 hours later 4019589 Anonymous
>>4019525 german here, got mine at qhi.co.uk the spiro they got is pretty shit though

33 hours later 4019619 Anonymous
Been on 200mg spiro for 5 weeks now. Is there anyway to tell it's working short of a blood test?

33 hours later 4019634 Anonymous
>>4019181 >It's currently only about 3 inches long can't do much with that, sorry but thats even too short for a pixie cut. You'll just have to wait till it gets to a decent length. >>4019213 >see pictures of pre anything people passing as cis the worst >>4019619 less erections probably

33 hours later 4019647 Anonymous
>>4019634 >less erections probably I haven't noticed any difference. Should I move up to 300mg?

33 hours later 4019681 Anonymous
How much does HRT cost normally per month? How expensive is a month's worth of spiro and E without subsidy, say, starting with 100-2 ramping up to 150-2?

33 hours later 4019694 Anonymous
>>4019681 I got 6 months for $170

33 hours later 4019728 Anonymous
>>4019525 qhi

33 hours later 4019744 Anonymous
>>4019694 All generic I suppose?

33 hours later 4019774 Anonymous
>>4019744 The spiro was generic, the E was Bayer Progynova.

34 hours later 4019825 Anonymous
>>4019774 Alright, thanks!

34 hours later 4019829 Anonymous
>>4019647 >Should I move up to 300mg? Nah, stay on 200mg. Why arent you taking E though?

34 hours later 4019863 Anonymous
>>4019589 But Anon, the entire stock is just.. out? They literally have next to nothing no matter where I look. I had the same issue with Goldpharma too.

34 hours later 4019866 Anonymous
>>4019829 I'm not sure if I'm trans yet

34 hours later 4019898 Anonymous
How hard is it to hide the effects of hormones? I want to start taking them, but I can't really ever come out to my family about it. I'd be finishing school in a little under 2 years, and I should be making enough money to move out once I get an okay job. How long would it be before the effects become pretty noticeable.

34 hours later 4019911 Anonymous
>>4019898 Need more information. Are you underage (get off 4chan and you probably can't do it without your family knowing) or are you in college / grad school? Assuming you're MTF you could just do the anti-androgens.

34 hours later 4019922 Anonymous
What happens if I already have no libido before going on HRT?

34 hours later 4019930 Anonymous
>>4019922 hrt effects vary a lot you could start craving cock or not

34 hours later 4019936 Anonymous
>>4019930 Is it common for MtFs to crave cock when they get on HRT?

34 hours later 4019941 Anonymous
>>4019936 dunno, ask around in mtfg maybe

34 hours later 4019955 Anonymous
Am I trans if I don't particularly hate my male body? I mean, I'd love to be a girl and I think I'd be a lot happier if I was one. But, I don't have any real complaints about my current body. I don't love it, but I don't hate it either. A sort of apathetic feeling towards it, I suppose.

34 hours later 4019964 Anonymous
>>4019911 Oh no, I'm not underage. I'm 20 and in 3rd year of university. Not really MtF, but that's on the same track as what I'm going for. I think the best way to describe it would be that I'm looking for a sort of semi-MtF thing. I'd want to keep the male genitalia, but I'd like for my body to be more feminine. Right now I'm still pretty hairless, which is great, and I'd like to prevent myself from growing all that additional body hair. Also I'd like to be able to grow a small pair of boobs. Having a flat chest always felt off to me; it's like I'm missing something. Anti-androgens sounds like a good start. I've looked them up, but I couldn't find too much info on what I'd be able to get out of them other than that they prevent the male hormones from doing their thing.

34 hours later 4019994 Anonymous
>>4019936 yes. why that is is up for debate. there is no evidence suggesting hormones themselves do this. so its most likely psychosomatic. but yes ive noticed a correlation on here.

34 hours later 4020016 Anonymous
>>4019936 Um for me it is anyways. Oh god do I want cock now. Considered myself a straight male before. I really don't care what sexuality it makes me I like cock now.

34 hours later 4020038 Anonymous
>>4019964 I'm not MTF myself but from what I've seen, you get kinda more prettyboy-looking without going the full trans. Try the femboy thread, maybe.

34 hours later 4020048 Anonymous
>>4019964 You can't just take AAs. You need a sex hormone in your body. Also, what you're describing just sounds like a non-op MtF.

35 hours later 4020053 Anonymous (463634.jpg 915x357 284kB)
>>4019863

35 hours later 4020113 Anonymous
>>4020048 >Also, what you're describing just sounds like a non-op MtF Yeah I guess that's pretty much what it is. Is there a way to get Anti-androgens and estrogen without a prescription for them?

35 hours later 4020133 Anonymous
>>4020113 Buy 'em online. Pick whichever site you fancy. And be careful with dosing. Don't wanna end up as a girly corpse, do you?

35 hours later 4020135 Anonymous
>>4020053 I FUCKING KNEW I SHOULDNT OF TOLD YOU FAGGOTS ABOUT FUCKING QHI BJT NO I DID AND NOW ITS POSTED FUCKING EVERYWHERE HERR AND NOW THE STOCKS GOING TO RUN OUT AND THE FUCKING GOVERNMENTGOING TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND WHERE THE FUCK AM I GOING TO GET HORMONES NOW FOR FUCKS SAKE THERES NO FUCKING THERAPISTS IN NEWFOUNDLAND AND IM GONG TO HAVE TO ROB ANOTHER PHARMACY AND FUCK YOU FAGGOTS FUCK YOUFHFHFHDJJRIRNDHRNXJTBFIFNDHSH FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK STOP FUCKING POSTING THIS EVERYWHERE FUCK JUST YOU FUCKNG WAITSOON THE CANADA POSTS GUNNA KNKW BOUTTHISBSHITBANDNITSOVER FUCKKK

35 hours later 4020172 Anonymous
>>4020133 >Don't wanna end up as a girly corpse, do you? No I don't think I'd like that very much. Should I start off small and work my way up? How much is too much for anti-androgens or estrogen?

35 hours later 4020207 Anonymous
>>4020172 I'm not a doctor, and I know nothing other than what I've read here. Just putting that out there. Still, I hear that 100mg Spiro and 2mg E should be safe to start with. Also keep in mind some of the more negative side effects. If you ever want kids, head to a sperm bank before you start popping pills.

38 hours later 4020919 Anonymous
>>4019955 Anyone got any advice?

38 hours later 4020940 Anonymous
>>4020919 Does it feel like _your_ body, though? Is it really you in the mirror or are you supposed to be someone else?

38 hours later 4020970 Anonymous
>>4020135 :^)

38 hours later 4020973 Anonymous
>>4020940 I don't really know. I guess it'd be my body. After all, who else could have it aside from me? Regarding the mirrors, whenever I see myself in them it always felt a bit odd. Not terribly so, just like something was off but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Still, if I'm looking in a mirror, it's gotta be me I see. Ain't no one else it could be. Just cause it ain't always the me I want to see, doesn't mean it's not me. Not sure if all that makes sense.

38 hours later 4020986 Anonymous
>>4020973 Does the feeling of oddness ever feel more intense?

38 hours later 4021004 Anonymous (1424573907289.jpg 874x914 161kB)
hey do anti androgens specifically spiro cause baldness?

38 hours later 4021008 Anonymous
26 here I'm thinking about transitioning. Too late?

38 hours later 4021009 Anonymous
>>4020986 There was a period about 6-8 months ago where I just couldn't look at myself in the mirror. Started out feeling pretty bad just catching a glimpse of myself. Eventually, got so bad that I'd avoid mirrors wherever I could. Besides that, I don't think it was ever anything more than just feeling like something was off.

38 hours later 4021011 Anonymous
>>4021008 No such thing as too late. It all depends on your genetics, bone structure, etc. Obviously though, the longer you wait, the less the hormones will have an effect.

38 hours later 4021021 Anonymous
>>4021009 How long have you felt this way?

38 hours later 4021043 Anonymous
>>4021021 Started when I was young, I think. 10-12 at the latest. It's not a constant feeling, though. These sorts of feelings come in waves. Some days better than others. Some worse.

38 hours later 4021053 Anonymous
>>4021043 Sounds like probable dysphoria to me, but you should really talk to a gender therapist to be sure. Good luck.

39 hours later 4021078 Anonymous
>>4021053 I did, once before. Around the time when >>4021009 took place, I started seeing a psych about all this. Eventually stopped seeing her though. I started to feel better, much better, so I figured I'd worked through all my problems and that it wasn't necessary anymore. Figured I'd been cured. Permanently. Now, I suppose that ain't the case. I should probably go back to seeing her, shouldn't I?

39 hours later 4021085 Anonymous
So question that's mostly curiosity rather than something I'm concerned by. So how much do your parent's affect your breast size after HRT? I'm not expecting HUEG BOOBS, but my mom has a pretty... Well, sizable chest.

39 hours later 4021090 Anonymous
>>4021085 The breast size of the closest female relative can be used as an estimate, but it varies anyway.

39 hours later 4021095 Anonymous
>>4021078 I should add that she did think that I was trans. Even referred me to an endocrinologist and got myself a script for some spiro. That was at the tail end of my time with her. Never even picked up the spiro.

39 hours later 4021116 Anonymous
>>4021004 if anyone could answer the question thatd be greaaaaaaaaaat

39 hours later 4021127 Anonymous
>>4021095 If you still have issues I'd go for it, then. You don't need to feel _bad_ about your body (ie BDD) to be trans. Dysphoria is different, and just like you describe.

39 hours later 4021150 Anonymous
>>4021127 Alright. Thanks for the help.

39 hours later 4021168 Anonymous
>>4021116 No. Since alopecia is (simplified) caused by a response to testosterone, and antiandrogens block the effects of testosterone it actually has the opposite effect. Spiro can even be used in small doses to treat male pattern baldness.

39 hours later 4021225 Anonymous
>>4021090 >tfw my mum's boobs are huge dammit i dont want giant boobs

39 hours later 4021230 Lalalily
>>4021004 not as far as I know , why ?

39 hours later 4021233 Fennec (1423801821320.jpg 417x422 65kB)
Hey legbuttians. So, my left boob has been aching for about 30 minutes and I've been massaging. But it got me thinking about the girls. I'm an A cup with still very prevalent breast buds. My friend wanted to feel them but I was too nervous b/c they're still very firm. I mean, yeah there's some squish on the top and sides... But I was wondering if anyone had a similar experience and what their outcome was.

39 hours later 4021254 Anonymous
Hi pre everything MtF~ My parents don't accept me yet so getting on hormones is out of the question for a while but I've heard about AAs and I would like to take these to prevent getting any more masculine (19 years old btw) Is there any kind I should be taking and where could I get them?

39 hours later 4021261 Anonymous
>>4021254 order both online silly

40 hours later 4021276 Anonymous
>>4021261 but I don't really wanna super hard self medicaaaate I just wanna not get masculine while my parents come around to the idea so I can go to an endocrinologist and make sure everything is safe ^^

40 hours later 4021280 Anonymous
>>4021276 ok have fun doing the more dangerous thing

40 hours later 4021282 Anonymous
>>4021280 endocrinologist is dangerous? :C

40 hours later 4021288 Anonymous
>>4021282 Spiro alone is more dangerous

40 hours later 4021291 Anonymous
>>4021288 pls teach me

40 hours later 4021295 Anonymous
>>4021291 You cant take AAs alone you brain dead child, it will kill you.You have to have T or E

40 hours later 4021300 Anonymous
>>4021291 200mg 4 e good luck

40 hours later 4021302 Anonymous
>>4021288 Isn't that mainly long term for osteo risk, though? She might be alright on a low Spiro dose.

40 hours later 4021305 Anonymous
>>4021295 :'C

40 hours later 4021315 Anonymous
>>4021302 >>4021305 regardless, it's easy to stay boymode on E. better to start earlier.

40 hours later 4021321 Anonymous
I'm so confuuuuuused can someone please tell me what to do ^^ <3

40 hours later 4021383 Anonymous
>>4021321 If you're willing to take the risk, feel free to self-med. It'll probably be faster than going through the proper channels. Of course, heading to an endo is the safest choice. But if that is difficult due to you're current situation, I can understand why you might choose to self-med. Just read up on proper dosages and be aware of any possible side effects. Of course, if things start to head south with your health, you should probably stop. So, really, it's all up to you.

40 hours later 4021415 Anonymous
>>4021321 Underaged b& Learn to read

40 hours later 4021464 Anonymous
>>4021415 19 is underage? :c

40 hours later 4021493 Anonymous
>>4021321 self-medding isn't something you should be going into blind - you really need to read into this stuff yourself and get a good understanding of the effects and potential side effects before pumping yourself full of chemicals

41 hours later 4021503 Anonymous
>>4021464 Type like an adult then, you're embarrassing yourself. Also, READ THE FUCKING OP HERE AND AT /mtfg/ YOU ILLITERATE CHILD.

41 hours later 4021555 Anonymous
>>4021503 Well pardon me for expressing myself. If I wanted to be a mean spirited 'adult' like you I'm sure I would respond sarcastically with something like 'you must be fun at parties' but I don't get my enjoyment from shouting at people over the internet, trying to feel superior because I have this illusion that I'm more mature than others. It wouldn't kill you to be kind.

41 hours later 4021562 Anonymous
>>4021493 Let's read the sticky shall we? "MTF, FTM and questioning people are all welcome here to help eachother and discuss possible solutions." Oh look at that.

41 hours later 4021591 Anonymous
>>4021562 there's a huge gap between helping and straight up hand-holding. if you want someone else to think for you then you're best off just waiting til you can see an endo besides, if you're capable of quoting the op, why do you seem incapable of clicking on the helpful links it contains?? one of the pastebins (the second one, before you ask) even contains a sample hrt regimen

41 hours later 4021616 Anonymous
>>4021591 I was just directed here by a friend sorry for my ignorance. You win this round mean person on the internet.

41 hours later 4021643 Anonymous
>>4021616 i'm not the same anon as >>4021415 and >>4021503 , but you're welcome anyway

41 hours later 4021770 Anonymous
Starting doses would be something like 100-2, right? When do you progress to anything higher? When do you start and stop increasing the dosage?

42 hours later 4021985 Anonymous
>>4021770 I started at 200-4, WITH a doc. no problems and they barely monitor me.

42 hours later 4021997 Anonymous
>>4021985 What the heck. What kind of physique do you have? I'm kinda small so I was wondering.

42 hours later 4022012 Anonymous
>>4021997 Skinny. Well, I'm like 146 at 5'11 atm.

43 hours later 4022095 Anonymous
How do you motivate yourself? I don't know its a weird question. I'm 19 and I've been thinking I was trans for sure since I was 17. I'm in college now, but I just don't know what to do. Its just so overwhelming to me, it doesn't help that I live in the southern US so things aren't going to go over well exactly. My family didn't react to well, It gives me this deep sense of shame every time i think about it. I'm scared about wasting my time and not passing, but i'm also scared about killing myself in 8 years from depression and anxiety.

43 hours later 4022115 Anonymous
>>4018902 transgender is an umbrella term, there's more than two gender identities to choose between, you can't be the 'other' gender, you're a *different* gender to the one you were assigned. This includes non-binary identities.

43 hours later 4022121 Anonymous
>>4019107 Anon who made the original post here, and yeah I do get dysphoria, only really with regards to secondary sex characteristics though. Hence why I'm thinking HRT is a good option for me. It's not severe atm but I feel like if I leave it it'll get worse and I'll be all fucking depressed by the time I'm 30 and decide to get something done.

43 hours later 4022133 Anonymous
>>4019387 Possibly, I was really hoping to avoid anything as drastic as surgery but that'd reduce the chances of organ damage long-term, I guess.

43 hours later 4022147 Anonymous
>>4019357 Won't they want me to socially transition for a year beforehand, including telling everyone that I'm binary trans? That kind of seems like putting up *another* façade, and people won't be as likely to believe me when I tell them I'm non-binary afterwards. Why do they have to make this so much fucking harder than it has to be?

43 hours later 4022183 Anonymous
Are there any statistics on the exact risk of adverse side effects of HRT? Like, just a simple set of percentages? If there is, I can't find them. What's the risk if you're self medicating? I suppose it would be an idea to ask if there's anyone here who self-medded and whose health suffered as a result, but if it eventually leads to, like, 100% fatality there'd be nobody left to post about it, lol. I would just go through the NHS (I'm from England) but mental health care here is notoriously poor and I don't have the money to pay for the preceding therapy (which is a bullshit requirement anyway, I've identified as trans for over six years, since I was 14).

44 hours later 4022277 Anonymous
>>4022183 A lot of the risks are associated with estrogen, given it's bioidentical. Generally they'll put your risks for things in the range of cis women, for example, you go from most likely having essentially zero chance of breast cancer to actually having the possibility. You heavily reduce your chance in getting dementia/Alzheimers, estrogen increases your blood pressure, but spiro puts it back down, there are other examples, but I'm sure you can find them without much effort. Basically your risk of death isn't really increased (unless you're an attention whore that dresses like one and gets beaten to a pulp), it's more you're more likely to suffer from some things, and less likely others. Don't have shit slathered in soy sauce for every meal, and spiro shouldn't really have any risks.

44 hours later 4022280 Anonymous
>>4022277 oh, and of course your risk of prostate cancer is significantly lower.

44 hours later 4022287 Anonymous
>>4022183 I probably should've posted this link, all the studies you could want, haven't looked into specifically what you want, but I'm sure it's there: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet s/d/1d9KKqP9IHa5ZxU84a_Jf0vIoAh7e8n j_lCW27KbYBh0/edit?pli=1#gid=3

44 hours later 4022323 Anonymous
>>4022280 Is prostate removal a thing for ftms?

44 hours later 4022326 Anonymous
>>4022323 *mtfs

44 hours later 4022327 Anonymous
>>4022323 I don't think medical professionals consider it worth removing, given HRT makes it shrink a lot. I'm not really sure on the reasoning.

44 hours later 4022332 Anonymous
>>4022323 Seems more likely if you're a late transitioner, as in transitioning after 40 or something. Don't think a 20s or earlier transitioner has much to worry about.

45 hours later 4022415 Anonymous
>>4022277 >>4022287 Thanks, that helps a lot :)

45 hours later 4022423 Anonymous
>>4022012 I'm 179cm 59kg, what'd you say woulf be a good starting dose?

46 hours later 4022534 Anonymous
Anyone know how QHI packages the meds they send you? I rather not let my roomm8s to know what self-meds I'm ordering. If it's like amazon in which the packaging is the same bland colour (with no info on the box) that would be great. A picture of the packaging would be neat too, if anyone still has any.

46 hours later 4022543 Anonymous
>>4021225 Most of us don't get more than an A or a B really.

55 hours later 4023623 Anonymous
>>4014109 I can't imagine what you guys are going through, I love being a man, if I woke up in a woman's body I would kill myself. >tfw cis

56 hours later 4023886 Anonymous
>>4023623 >I can't imagine what you guys are going through >if I woke up in a woman's body I would kill myself. You literally just imagined it. That's life for an FTM, has to try not to fucking kill himself till he gets to transition.

56 hours later 4023928 Anonymous
not sure if you guys think buzzfeed is cancer but this video gave me a feel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=381 belOZreA

57 hours later 4024184 Anonymous (1413656007633.jpg 1100x1600 664kB)
So I've been on HRT for a few months now, but there's still doubts that pop into my head every once in a while that I just can't seem to get rid of. How do I know if I'm a "homosexual AGP" or something and not just (mentally) like a 14yo teenage-girl in heat? Feel sometimes like I read and think similarly to what tweens usually do at that age, and it's making me a bit confused. I really like boys and I'm confused because sometimes it feels like I can relate to the gays more than a straight guy, and that I would be better compatible with them. I'll be honest, while it's really nice to get boobs and look more feminine, I'm so anxious about if I'm doing it for myself or just to attract boys or something. My spiro has almost run out recently so I've had to take half my regular dose which has fucked with my mood quite a bit. Doesn't really help either. Help?

58 hours later 4024296 Anonymous
>>4014109 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI QtRxgYf7B0b7Q5HBp4_fA >transbians fucking hell.

58 hours later 4024299 Anonymous
I'm gonna try to make a call to get help tomorrow. I probably have a bunch of issues though. If I'm considered too unstable or whatever, can I be rejected? Is there anything I absolutely should not mention?

58 hours later 4024334 Anonymous
Has any of you ever faked a HRT prescription to order staff from inhouse pharmacy? Do they actually check the doctor's data in the system etc,? Also what if the prescription is not in English?

58 hours later 4024340 Anonymous
I have my first appointment ever with a psychiatrist tomorrow. What can I expect?

58 hours later 4024342 Anonymous
>>4024299 This is what I'm worried about as well.

58 hours later 4024344 Anonymous
>>4024184 well do you want SRS?

58 hours later 4024346 Anonymous
>>4024299 >>4024342 Same here. If people have answers pls share.

58 hours later 4024407 Anonymous
>>4024344 Not sure. Like, I hate operations and the dilation and everything seems so scary, difficult and expensive. If it was a perfect replica with no problems? I think yes? I don't particulary /like/ my penis as it is, but it's all I've had so far, so I don't know how it would be different. I'm not really dysphoric about my genitals /that/ much to be honest, it's more face/height/hands etc.

58 hours later 4024414 Anonymous
What's better Progynova or Estrofem? Some say that there is no difference and some say that Estrofem has better effects. Has there been any study comparing these 2?

65 hours later 4025688 Anonymous (puppybiebs.gif 395x375 122kB)
What's the best site to use for self medding as an American? What kind of method do you use for paying for it?

65 hours later 4025809 Anonymous
I have no idea what to do. I'm underage (16, expecting to get banned for global rule 2) I'm western NY and living with my father. I think I'm going to come out to my father soon and hope he will support me so I can start transitioning, but what do I even do after coming out. I'm not even sure how do that without making it awkward as fuck.

65 hours later 4025832 Anonymous
>>4025809 It's gonna be awkward, but it's better to get it over with, right?

65 hours later 4025872 Karin-chan
>>4025809 Find a therapist to go before you come out if you can. Because at that age you'll probably need to go thru legal way. You could always use the letter method if you think would be too awkward to try to say or talk about it.

66 hours later 4025898 Anonymous
>>4025872 How can I find a therapist before coming out? I live in a small town.

66 hours later 4025907 Karin-chan
>>4025898 See the OP for one >Therapists: http://www.t-vox.org/index.php?titl e=Therapists_by_region http://therapists.psychologytoday.c om/rms/prof_search.php sort by transsexual issues Googling your region/town for ones can also work. Or try find out if you have an LGBT center, or community or anything that could point you in the direction of a good one near by.

66 hours later 4025986 Anonymous
I'm questioning my transness now.. I still take my HRT, but the notion that I should be working on my voice, mannerisms, clothing, make-up, hair, it's all just sooo much... I honestly think I'm just a gay twinky boy who was bothered by his bodily hair and facial hair enough to the point where he thought taking hormones would make things better.. I like dicks, I am grossed out by vaginas... I'm dating another MtF and I'm always so focused on her dick.. it really just makes me feel like I'm a huge faggot that will eventually realize he's just super gay and not a tranny, just like her last "boyfriend"

66 hours later 4026000 Anonymous
>>4025986 I'm starting to think Blanchard was right. Though that actually kind of gives me hope as a trans woman myself. Shit, at least it's consistent with most of the stuff I see people here say

66 hours later 4026036 Anonymous
>>4026000 I don't subscribe to those theorys because they imply some form of sexual arousal or desire is achieved by transitioning... I just want to be hairless everywhere except for my head and eyebrows... I could care less if I was the most homely looking, shapeless and ill-mannered girl.. I would just live my fucking life and continue doing all the things I did/attempted to do before I had this dysphoria over looking like a circus attraction.

67 hours later 4026053 Anonymous
>>4026036 Maybe I'm just incredibly insecure. earlier today I read someone saying you really shouldn't be posting here if you're pre/early transition because the discussions here are way too close to heart. I think that's probably true. i agree with you actually.

67 hours later 4026102 Anonymous
>>4022534 Mine is fairly bland, marked as "documents" and "other". They do say "If undelivered please return to: QHI c/o + address" I'm in Australia and there was a sticker on it saying it was opened by customs, but otherwise it's pretty bland and normal, qhi rings bells to noone. Oh, on the sticker on the front with your name/adress it'll have the order number and customer numer, that's all, it's a pretty boring package, and unless you had crazy suspicious people going through your mail, should be easy to bullshit it into being anything, I'd say "computer stuff" if I wasn't out to my parents.

67 hours later 4026105 Anonymous (1378758743117.jpg 460x287 53kB)
I just came out to my brother's fiance and I feel really good. :)

67 hours later 4026186 Anonymous
>>4026102 They are the first thing that comes up if you google QHI, so your roommates are the nosy type, you may want to make up a specific cover story, like it being a vitamin supplement or something.

67 hours later 4026212 Anonymous
>>4018839 >>4018875 The ongoing French study on teh safety of bioidentical 17b-estrdiol and progesterone has shown bioidentical estrogen when administered via implants, patch and creams to have 0 increase in cancer, clotting, and heart disease issues over not taking any hormones.

68 hours later 4026349 Anonymous
Why is it that I can feel so certain about my.gender identity, and then I'll get horny and masturbate and immediately after lose all desire to transition for a few minutes, then come back again?

68 hours later 4026391 Anonymous (1424762271536.jpg 1200x1680 409kB)
What is the best/safest method of tucking? And are there any decent mtf picture guides? Please post them.

69 hours later 4026511 Anonymous
i just tape the fuck out of my dick lol. it's a mess and kind of hurts but at least my panties look better. I kind of like looking down and seeing a flat(ish) area... maybe I am trans. (I'll take it off in a bit)

69 hours later 4026523 Anonymous
>>4026511 I often put tight bindings on my balls it's very nice until your whole body starts aching

69 hours later 4026533 Anonymous
>>4026523 what's the proper way? is there a proper way? I assumed there were methods people did all day every day. i think this is the first time i've done this. I like lookin down but at my panties but the sight of my hairy legs is ruining it, i don't like seeing them like this. jesus, everything is pointing in the direction of being trans. i cant believe i never even thought of this as an option until recently. fuck. i'm thinking of experimenting making some homemade waxing stuff tomorrow.

73 hours later 4026896 Anonymous
>>4024184 >>4024407 b-bump >>4025986 iktf

73 hours later 4026911 Anonymous
>>4026391 >>4026511 >>4026523 So like legit question from a non-trans... When the blood starts pumping and you're taping/chastity/whatever method... how does it feel? captcha: rchop

75 hours later 4027064 Anonymous
>>4024299 >>4024342 >>4024346 Bump

75 hours later 4027080 Anonymous
>>4026911 The blood doesn't start pumping when you're on HRT. Makes things simple.

75 hours later 4027106 Anonymous
>read up on dilation >realise it's every day forever for the rest of my life >cry myself to sleep how do i get round the fact that even my own fucking body will treat my vagina as a wound?

76 hours later 4027220 Anonymous
>>4027106 it eventually becomes like...once every two weeks? once a month? after a year or a few years.

76 hours later 4027265 Anonymous (1416699324768.jpg 955x870 115kB)
33" bust (no boobs yet) 29" waist 34" hips 5'4" 122 lbs Size 6 women shoes Can someone explain me something? I've gone down from 135 lbs to 122 in a month, and yet I still have the massive beer belly and chubby face. Am I gonna have to drop to 100 lbs or what? When do I stop being skinnyfat?

77 hours later 4027276 Anonymous
>>4027265 Are you running?

77 hours later 4027301 Anonymous
>>4027276 Thirty minutes, most days

77 hours later 4027314 Anonymous
>>4027301 Change your diet then.

77 hours later 4027373 Anonymous
>>4027220 >>4027106 I've also read/heard that eventually (like when you get to the once a week/two weeks), even just a good dicking can sometimes be fine.

78 hours later 4027483 Anonymous
I heard somewhere that you shouldn't ingest nicotine when you're on HRT. Weelllll my friend just bought a $300 hookah and I really want to try it. The shisha he has has nicotine in it. I'm starting hormones in a few days and I won't get a chance to use it before then. Will I be okay with smoking it or should I just not? Sorry for the potentially stupid question.

79 hours later 4027836 Anonymous (thumb[1].jpg 240x200 36kB)
>>4027483

80 hours later 4028053 Anonymous
>>4019525 holy shit are you the same anon AGAIN? qhi, god damnit. Are you even trying?

80 hours later 4028057 Anonymous
>hate genitals >not getting current srs how do i cope with this? Tucking is sooo annoying and uncomfortable

80 hours later 4028062 Anonymous
>>4028057 Iktf about dysphoria but not getting the current srs I've heard getting an orchi makes tucking a lot easier?

81 hours later 4028114 Anonymous
This probably comes up a lot, but I'll ask anyway. I'm 24, always felt like a girl, but I don't have any feminine features or mannerisms. If I transitioned now, I probably wouldn't stand a chance of passing. This scares me because I already feel like a freak, but if I try HRT I might feel even worse about myself. I've been suicidal for a long time too, and already have plans in place. The only real thing stopping me is my parents. I wouldn't want to hurt them since they're the only people who would accept me no matter what. I'm scared and alone and don't know what to do.

81 hours later 4028137 Anonymous
Good info

81 hours later 4028144 Anonymous
>>4028114 Anyone?

81 hours later 4028152 Anonymous
>>4028114 We've all felt that way. Mannerisms don't matter; you learn them as you transition. The first step, whether you end up deciding to transition or not, is to talk to a therapist who's familiar with gender issues. And unless you think they'll react negatively, talk to you parents, let them know what you're going through.

81 hours later 4028173 Anonymous
>>4027483 Apparently it puts you at a much higher risk for blood clots, among other things. Someone on here told me that it also can negate the effects of hormones to some degree. I've been on hormones for a couple years and I started smoking cigarettes again recently, the only thing I noticed is it caused me to break out with acne. If you just want to try it out go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend smoking regularly. I need to quit!

82 hours later 4028293 Anonymous
>>4026349 Many males feel shitty about things right after fapping. Your exact issue happens to me too.

82 hours later 4028316 Anonymous
>>4028293 not the anon you quoted, but I've noticed that since I started hormones a year ago, that's completely vanished. Now all I feel after masturbating is content.

90 hours later 4030329 Anonymous
bump

91 hours later 4030632 Anonymous
>>4025986 >voice, mannerisms, clothing, make-up, hair Just do what comes natural. I found that I'm the kind of person that rolls out of bed, puts on a t-shirt, and jeans and is ready to go. You don't have to fit any stereotypes to be a woman. If you feel like that stuff is just not you then just don't do it. I would say that voice is probably the only one that is worth doing. Forcing mannerisms is one of the fakes things anyone can do, and the rest are just personal life choices.

91 hours later 4030735 Anonymous
started doing proper vocal stuff today (as in, spent a decent amount of time singing/talking in different voice) still not sure if I'm actually doing it correctly but after doing it for awhile i forgot what my natural voice sounded like and a few times i had to intentionally bring my voice down so i could hear it felt kind of nice. still not sure if i'm trans but in the meantime i'm going to be vocal training everyday if i can

93 hours later 4031099 Anonymous
>just remembered that when i was 12 or younger I discovered I could tuck my penis in >for some reason wanted to take pictures and hide them in my best (male) friend's schoolbag >wanted to trick him into thinking it was a picture of some girl's vagina >was very excited about this i'm going to be so mad if it turns out i actually am trans. why'd it have to take me until my early 20's to start thinking about this. and now i keep remembering or thinking of things that could point towards it

94 hours later 4031300 Calamity
>>4031099 how early 20s?

95 hours later 4031381 Anonymous
>>4031300 22. so i'll probably be a late transitioner if it turns out i am trans

95 hours later 4031385 Calamity
>>4031381 thats not late at all really. if you arent entirely sure yet see a therapist, they can really help figure this kind of thing out. preferably one with experience with trans people.

95 hours later 4031391 Anonymous
>>4031385 yeah I should. i saw a therapist for the first time a few months ago (before I had any of these thoughts) and dumped them after 2 sessions. i dont really want to go through all that again but i guess i'll have to. i don't think there's going to be many (or any) gender specialists anywhere near so i dk

95 hours later 4031395 Anonymous
>>4031385 >>4031391 thanks for saying it's not late by the way. feels nice. although i'm not really stressed about it either. doesn't feel real yet i guess

95 hours later 4031403 Calamity
>>4031391 yeah some areas it isnt the easiest thing to find. where abouts are you? >>4031395 well im 23 and only just got on hrt. there are plenty of posters here who started around a similar age. and it isnt too late. it might not be ideal but it isnt too late.

95 hours later 4031408 Anonymous
>>4031403 Australia. and not very close to a city (and cant really drive). Best of luck to you and your transitioning. I hope it goes great.

95 hours later 4031416 Anonymous
>>4031408 Try http://www.e-therapy.com.au/

95 hours later 4031421 Calamity
>>4031408 >Australia. and not very close to a city (and cant really drive). oh yeah that makes it difficult. >Best of luck to you and your transitioning. I hope it goes great. thanks

97 hours later 4031734 Anonymous
>>4024299 >finally call >you have no money lel guess thats that then

97 hours later 4031737 Anonymous
Does smoking weed increase your estrogen? I look the exact same as when I was 15-16. height included. Did I just win the genetic lottery?

97 hours later 4031747 Anonymous
>>4031737 >Does smoking weed increase your estrogen? no >Did I just win the genetic lottery? once you start hrt you'll see.

97 hours later 4031763 Anonymous
Hey, uh. Does any of you happen to have some experience with voice-changing software? I'm a guy and I'd like to modify my voice so I can pass as a woman on Skype and some-such. Dunno if anyone really cares, but in the interest of full disclosure - I'm not sure if I'd label myself trans. I don't really have much in the way of gender dysphoria, but I'm an avid roleplayer (/tg/ reporting) and I enjoy playing characters of the opposite gender once in a while since, well, it gives me an experience I don't really get in my daily life. Hope that's cool with you, no disrespect intended.

97 hours later 4031777 Anonymous
>>4031763 don't know enough to help you but just saying that you're cool. no worries.

98 hours later 4031793 Anonymous
>>4031763 i remember using morphvox to make myself sound female on tf2 some years ago - judging by the amount of abuse i pulled, i'd say it works well enough

98 hours later 4031796 Anonymous
>>4031099 I remember talking with mom and dad, and dad making lots of sick tranny jokes. i wonder how many years that added before I could get the courage to try again. I was in my early teens back then.

98 hours later 4031810 Anonymous
>>4031737 The ones who really win the lottery have some level of AIS, though they are not technically called transsexuals. This is even though they often need to go through the same hormonal and physical transition. Intersexuals are also not transsexuals, and are in the same boat.

98 hours later 4031814 Anonymous
>>4031763 >don't really have much in the way of gender dysphoria Famous last words. Git thee to a gender therapist. You may be lucky and not need full transition, but who knows. Better to find out now and do it while young.

98 hours later 4031899 Anonymous
>>4031793 Fired it up for a spin and yeah, MorphVOX seems pretty nice. Gonna have to fine-tune it a bit to avoid unwanted distortions but it should be doable. Thanks! >>4031814 I appreciate the sentiment, though I really do feel pretty stable in my gender identity. I just like experiencing things beyond it once in a while.

100 hours later 4032137 Anonymous
Is there such a thing as a clothing store for crossdressers? I'd google to see if there's one anywhere near me, but I'm too embarrassed in case it doesn't even exist.

101 hours later 4032205 Fennec (Hairstyle-for-2014-Trendy-Short-Blonde-Pixie-Cut-with-Bangs-for-Women.jpg 490x633 55kB)
Ok, asking in this thread now b/c I didn't get an answer in the other Is there any kind of benefit to adding finasteride on top of Spiro. Ive never had hair loss but my doc asked me if I'd consider taking it as an extra suppliment

101 hours later 4032227 Anonymous
>>4032205 It targets a different form of T, so probably? I don't know what DHT does other than cause MPB.

101 hours later 4032244 Anonymous (img32.gif 592x276 191kB)
Does anyone happen to have a chart/list of feminine hairstyles someone with a masculine hairline can have? Right now mine is shoulder-length but pretty straight and lame, and doesn't cover my forehead well.

101 hours later 4032302 Anonymous
>>4032137 I'm pretty sure they do exist, or, at the very least, you should be able to find a list of trans-friendly stores if you live in a reasonably major city. Just go ahead and Google, worst thing that can happen is that you don't find anything.

102 hours later 4032460 Anonymous
>>4032205 I take it just in case. It doesn't cause any harm and my doctor prescribed it because we weren't sure if I had started losing hair before I got on HRT.

107 hours later 4033286 Anonymous (tumblr_mdc7u4lxeX1rkib2oo1_500.jpg 500x500 72kB)
I've been seeing a therapist for somewhere in the area of four and a half months, but there is some tremendous gatekeeping going on, so I'm just going to self-med. Unfortunately, IHP seems to require a prescription these days, which I don't have, so I'm feeling a tad, uh, SOL. I know there are other sources for meds, like All Day Chemist, but do those require a prescription as well? Also, is there a way to bypass the prescription thing on IHP? Doubly also, how can I get a prescription in a way that can be described as "easily?" I'm in the U.S., by the way. The closest informed consent provider is in fucking Atlanta, and that's a good six hours from where I live.

108 hours later 4033451 ricecake anon
New thread >>4033449 >>4033449 >>4033449

113 hours later 4034500 Anonymous
>>4024334 you don't even need to send them a prescription they only say that you need one to cover themselves legally, but they don't actually check

117 hours later 4035616 Anonymous
>>4026212 colour me interested

117 hours later 4035619 Anonymous
>>4026911 It feels like agony.

136 hours later 4039067 Anonymous
>>4019030 n o t a c c e p t a b l e

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