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2015-02-20 05:29 4008687 Anonymous (1424384766683.jpg 429x600 38kB)
Are there people here that actually think that they were BORN to trans and destined to transition? Do you realize how unscientific that sounds? I don't care how many jewish pop-science blogs you've read, it's simply not true. I think everyone should be able to live how they want, and if decide expressing yourself and living as woman feels right to you, then do it. But don't spread bullshit. You developed to feel girly, that doesn't discredit how you feel and your right to live as you wish. Stop with this born this way other-kin bullshit.

9 min later 4008728 Anonymous
Are there people here that actually think that they were BORN to autism and destined to be autistic? Do you realize how unscientific that sounds? I don't care how many jewish pop-science blogs you've read, it's simply not true. I think everyone should be able to live how they want, and if decide expressing yourself and living as autistic feels right to you, then do it. But don't spread bullshit. You developed to feel autistic, that doesn't discredit how you feel and your right to live as you wish. Stop with this born this way other-kin bullshit.

10 min later 4008732 Anonymous
ITT: OP was tricked into having sex with a man and was so mad he decided to shitpost on 4chan

11 min later 4008733 Anonymous
>>4008728 All you got?

14 min later 4008748 Anonymous (image.jpg 4103x1254 553kB)
>>4008687 >Peer reviewed genetic and neurology journals & basic devo bio = unscientific Right, I can totally see how you know better than a hoard of doctors.

20 min later 4008775 Anonymous
>>4008748 >hoard of doctors Actually I think you just described like, any hospital

22 min later 4008783 Anonymous
>>4008687 To be fair, I don't really believe anyone has a gender/sexuality before puberty, I believe it kicked it kicked in at the puberty stage. I was never cis. That said, people who "transition" as children were never "trans", there's no gender at that age, they didn't transition, they were just raised as the opposite of the gender they were assigned, they're effectively cis.

24 min later 4008789 Anonymous (16oj6Al.png 1280x720 828kB)
>>4008733 soy ye ho haa yo o ee a boo bababa!

33 min later 4008821 Anonymous
>>4008775 Nah, those are usually just a handful of doctors surrounded by lackeys. Seriously though, all the studies say it's a developmental bio issue stemming from bad hormonal signaling. Fits into stuff we've known for decades and there's all sorts of studies backing that from the physiological and biochemical to the neurological, so it kinda foolish to pretend it doesn't count.

36 min later 4008833 Anonymous (1417487718201.jpg 1039x1050 687kB)
>>4008687 >Do you realize how unscientific that sounds? Tons of scientific things sound unscientific. Truth is stranger than fiction. But I'm not saying you should buy the notion because it's hard to believe, I'm saying you should because science does back the notion.

40 min later 4008843 Anonymous
>>4008833 That picture and pictures like it proves nothing about transwomen being born trans at birth. Your womanliness developed as you grew up.

46 min later 4008857 Anonymous
>>4008843 >We explored the specific hypothesis that male-to-female transsexualism is associated with gene variants responsible for undermasculinization and/or feminization...To date, this is the largest genetic study of transsexualism conducted. We observed a significant association between longer AR gene polymorphisms and male-to-female transsexualism. Longer CAG repeats in the AR gene lead to reduced binding of the AR protein to co-activator, due to its inhibitory interaction with the receptor, resulting in less effective testosterone signalling, a mechanism typically involved in masculinization of the brain during early development /PMC3402034/ Cellular machinery makes for a much more compelling cause than nurture.

58 min later 4008895 Anonymous
>>4008783 >there's no gender at that age But people treat boys and girls differently from childhood.

2 hours later 4009077 Anonymous
>>4008821 doctors are an ensemble encounter the hoops hospitals will jump through to get and keep doctors though, it makes sense if you consider doctors as treasure

2 hours later 4009180 Anonymous (^1C2B2A08A685A7F295F3AFD388B489FA5879890F41063B62D8^pimgpsh_fullsize_distr.png 540x346 287kB)
>>4008748 What am I supposed to be reading here?

2 hours later 4009233 Anonymous
>neurological disorders are jewish bullshit >>>/pol/

2 hours later 4009234 Anonymous
>>4008843 That part of the brain develops within 3 months of pregnancy. Get out.

3 hours later 4009273 Anonymous
>>4008895 >people who think gender roles = gender Jesus Christ.

3 hours later 4009310 Anonymous
>>4009273 It's one aspect of gender, that people are treated differently. Why else would trannies make such a big fuss about "not being treated like a girl/guy"? Or about being "accepted as their identified gender"? There is clearly a social aspect to it, stop pretending there isn't.

3 hours later 4009311 Anonymous
>>4009233 >>>/r/eddit

4 hours later 4009341 Anonymous
>>4008687 (OP) >jewish blogs yeah definitely a scientist here

5 hours later 4009481 Anonymous
Are there people here that actually think that they were BORN gay and destined to have sex with the same sex? Do you realize how unscientific that sounds? I don't care how many jewish pop-science blogs you've read, it's simply not true. I think everyone should be able to live how they want, and if decide expressing yourself and living as a gay person feels right to you, then do it. But don't spread bullshit. You developed to feel homosexual attraction, that doesn't discredit how you feel and your right to live as you wish. Stop with this born this way other-kin bullshit.

8 hours later 4009797 Anonymous
>>4008687 If you see some way the neuroscientific consensus is wrong, write a thesis disproving it. You will probably get the front page on Nature or something. Otherwise you're just mad reality doesn't coincide With your worldview

8 hours later 4009819 Anonymous
Yes, because you've studied neuroscience and endocrinology, and have comprehensively read over every scientific journal available, cross referencing materials, and safely come to this conclusion after years of study. Definitely not a whiny man-child who spends their waking hours jettisoning your semen to 2D dick girls and then whining that people can't accept the world the way you KNOW it operates.

9 hours later 4009925 Anonymous
>>4009797 This. When people start claiming it's some kind of massive conspiracy theory because doctors and scientists can't be trusted, I imagine ICP riding the T-Rex in the Creationism museum singing "Miracles" and I involuntarily laugh in their face. It's a problem, I know. I'm working on it.

10 hours later 4010121 Anonymous
>>4008783 this is sort of right. before age 6 kids don't actually understand their sex/gender is permanent.

11 hours later 4010201 Anonymous (image.jpg 795x1068 141kB)
>Everyone should be allowed to live how they want >But don't go thinking you're actually a woman The problem is that most people consider assigned gender identities more authentic than trans gender identities. You're part of that problem, OP.

11 hours later 4010209 Anonymous
>>4010201 I'm MTF and I think the same as OP and it makes me want to die. I find feminine men repulsive, so I don't want to be perceived that way. So it's obvious why so many MTFs don't like being seen as "man in dress" and insist on being a "real womyn" because it's what I would do if i had any self-respect.

11 hours later 4010247 Anonymous
>>4008733 It's a pretty good comparison.

12 hours later 4010369 Anonymous
>>4010209 I've been there. It took me a while to become confident in the legitimacy of my gender identity. But it can be done.

13 hours later 4010418 Anonymous
I mean, it's not like I believe it was some kind of magic bullshit destiny or whatever. But do I have a brain defect causing all that dysphoria? Probably. It's not the first thing that went wrong with my brain.

13 hours later 4010427 Anonymous (image.jpg 500x375 60kB)
>unscientific You know what's unscientific, OP? Thinking that the world is already fully and completely understood. That nature is simple and absolute, without exceptions, ambiguities, and unknowns. It's unscientific to dismiss out of hand the evidence against your prejudices that you know is already out there.

13 hours later 4010433 Anonymous (1424218166527.gif 170x170 1012kB)
>>4008687 >Do you realize how unscientific that sounds? I don't care how many jewish pop-science blogs you've read, it's simply not true. Do you think it's unscientific to think that there's a possiblity that a human can be born the wrong sex? I mean we get organs outside of the body, we get identical twins, we get conjoined twins but somehow the idea of being trans is just too far-fetched and it's clearly the jews brainwashing.

13 hours later 4010449 Anonymous
>>4008687 >BORN to trans learn to grammar

13 hours later 4010451 Anonymous
>>4010433 to be entirely fair, pop-sci blogs are bullshit but there's also emperical neuro studies on brain differences in trans people there's gotta be at least one neuroscientist lurking, cmon, step up

13 hours later 4010456 Anonymous
>>4010209 Why would you believe something factually wrong that makes you feel bad? All kinds of crazy. Fucking insane trannies

13 hours later 4010464 Anonymous
>>4010121 Just because a kid doesn't acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't there you dense fuck. you might be born with a lense degrneration that manifests at 35, but you're still born with it.

15 hours later 4010959 Anonymous
>>4010201 >assigned gender identities more authentic than trans gender identities As it should be The way things are, women and men are turning more into "feelings" and lacking any basis whatsoever in science or facts. I don't even use men and women any more, I just use female and male now. At least trannies can't take that away.

15 hours later 4010969 Anonymous
>>4010449 Trans like us, baby we were born to run. *guitar solo*

15 hours later 4010971 Anonymous
>>4010464 don't you know? Gender is all about feeling now. It's there if and only if you feel it.

16 hours later 4011066 Anonymous (image.jpg 800x450 96kB)
>>4010959 >thinking "male" and "female" are trans-exclusionary unless prefixed with "cis" >crazy cis scum thinking they can make words mean whatever they want

16 hours later 4011076 Anonymous
idk, for me it's always been there since I was about 5 years old. I always knew deep down under so many layers of social conditioning, confusion and fear I always needed to transition.

16 hours later 4011204 Anonymous
>>4011066 Male and female describes sex. You can't change that, tranny. A mutilated penis does not a vagina make. >inb4 muh intersex That's neither, and stop appropriating actual disorders.

17 hours later 4011240 Anonymous (1423595589561.jpg 640x712 61kB)
>>4011204 >herp derp language isn't fluid, definitions don't change and evolve with society >this is what cis scum actually believe kek

17 hours later 4011251 Anonymous
>>4011204 Your argument hinges on the assumption that "male" and "female" are understood to exclusively describe sex, rather than gender. And that transgender genital surgeries are not recognized anywhere, by anyone, as changing a person's sex.

17 hours later 4011262 Anonymous
>>4010971 Well trans as a neurological condition is Not about feeling. Gender identity doesn't really have a correlation with sexuality. You can be manly as fuck and still be mtf

17 hours later 4011268 Anonymous
>>4011204 Transsexuality is a physical, proven disorder though. And theres a huge overlap with chineras and IS

17 hours later 4011274 Anonymous
>>4011268 *chimeras

17 hours later 4011296 Anonymous
>>4011268 The fact it's a proven mental disorder means that these people are not the sex they think they are. They are what they physically are.

17 hours later 4011303 Anonymous (frasist.jpg 466x315 36kB)
>>4011268 Good luck convincing them with that -- the "physical evidence" is mostly brain scans, and transphobes like that anon tend to not to consider the mind as authentic, important, or as "real" as the body.

17 hours later 4011306 Anonymous
>>4011296 -Neurological- -condition-, not mental. No, it's proof that the brain structure is not male, making it decidedly not mental. if a woman's brain was transplanted to a man's body and it caused mental problems, it wouldn't be a mental illness, it would be a woman in a man's body. the brain is fine, it just has the wrong environment

17 hours later 4011310 Anonymous
>>4011303 Brain scans scan the brain, not the mind. Not really arguable whether the brain is physical

64 hours later 4019658 Anonymous
I dont feel I born in the wrong body. but now I would like to be girlier or more femenine. after 4 years I still think its just a phase.

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