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2014-07-18 08:19 3012410 Anonymous (350px-Classic_sonic_face.svg.png 350x281 30kB)
Just wanted to ask some actual gay people here: Do any of you think that video games need to change to cater to gay/trans people?

3 min later 3012418 Anonymous
I'll save you the thread. Putting in LGBT characters is fine, it's all about how and why you do it. More New Vegas and less Dragon Age: Cisqusition please.

6 min later 3012424 Anonymous (1405527387489.gif 336x252 2628kB)
>>3012410 >modern gaming you mean movies, right? anyways, the "catering" to gay/trans people is retarded and gets blown out of proportion whenever it happens. Sadly, your interactive movies will acknowledge gay people, and this will have to continue until nobody fucking cares that a character is gay, and it no longer has to be a central part of somebody. Trevor from GTA IV is a well done homosex. When a character stops being "that gay character" or "that trans character", and their sexuality/gender is just another characteristic, this shit will stop being as controversial. Just like how "the black character" stopped being so common.

6 min later 3012425 Anonymous
I don't think they need to change to cater to us, but having more canon gay/trans representation would be nice in some major media, if nothing other than to make the characters more realistic. I honestly can't remember the last RPG I even played that allowed same-sex relationships, which is something seriously disappointing. Just don't pretend LGBT people don't exist, really.

10 min later 3012432 Tripfag (I'm so turned on right now it disgusts me.jpg 640x514 113kB)
>>3012418 Couldn't have said it better myself. >tfw openly gay & killing fascist legionnaires in the mojave New Vegas remains probably one of the best games in the past decade.

11 min later 3012434 Anonymous
I don't think any gay people are happy about Bioware currently using gay characters to market their game. Flat-out exploitation right there.

23 min later 3012466 Anonymous
>>3012410 Nah. Not in regard to NPCs anyway. Makes perfect sense statistically for a medium list of supporting characters to all be straight. And if the player character is given a specific personality, as their own character who is not you, then it's perfectly fine for them to be whatever the writer wants too, it only makes sense. It's part of their unique personality. It's when the PC is meant to be a blank-slate avatar of the player, and they are not allowed different romance options, that annoys me. I mean, either let me be me, or don't. Or let me check a box that says "not interested in the romance aspect, skip that", if that's what it takes. I just don't want to have an avatar of myself running around wooing ladies without my permission. Surely that's reasonable?

25 min later 3012470 Anonymous (asdfa.jpg 500x528 29kB)
>>3012434 >MFW people think cause they are the minority they deserve catering in media Didn't mind it Origins. Dragon Age: Two didn't like how all romances except Sebastian was bi. Also felt like it destroyed Anders and Merrils identity. Inquisition, I will probably romance Cullen with a female inquisitor and the other advisor (not Leliana) with my male inquisitor. Honestly, I like how Master Chief isn't depicted as straight or gay because they want the players to see themselves as him. Would prefer to see this method in more games.

30 min later 3012491 Anonymous
I don't mind the occasional gay person in RPG's. I don't want Shekelberg Moneygrabber to "represent" me in the shitty AAA titles his company makes just for publicitys sake. It's almost always so fucking transparently pandering or vulgar and stereotypical. Fallout: New vegas had a substantial amount of gay content, but it was well integrated into the game world and not very in-your-face. And they didn't base any marketing on it.

32 min later 3012497 Anonymous
>>3012470 Master chief isn't even a character. Halo is awfully written and should not be commended about anything other than it's visual design and multiplayer features.

35 min later 3012503 Anonymous
>>3012497 >Awfully written I admit the lore is kind of bad but the books and premise of the first two games weren't bad. However the third and fourth and every spinoff stabbed that with those one hit energy swords. Also Chief is a character, if you read the books you get to know who chief is a lot more especially The Fall of Reach as it specifically takes place as he grows up (or mostly does.) It has been a while since I have read it.

40 min later 3012514 Anonymous
>>3012503 >books "storyline sold separately" The games all have very weak and derivative plots. This wouldn't be a problem at all if they didn't try so hard to make it an epic space opera while failing at it.

40 min later 3012515 Anonymous
>>3012410 No

44 min later 3012526 Anonymous
Well, as a big gamer who is also a lesbian, I would love to see more gay people (of either sex) in games, but the gaming industry can't even cater to straight women yet, so gays are really on the bad end of this. It seems the industry will probably forever be catering to straight white males.. I don't know. It's a bit sad. I would just love some gay character options, especially in games where you can date another character (fire emblem awakening) -- just give us a choice. That's all. And stop making obvious gay characters that are either for entertainment or a comedic joke. I'm sick of that.

49 min later 3012535 Anonymous (Viole.jpg 315x327 22kB)
>>3012526 I didn't mean to say 'date another character' in FEA, but I meant to say (aside from Chrom) you can choose who gets with who, but there;s no gay option, even though the Archer Virion and the Monk have that obvious chemistry.

52 min later 3012544 Anonymous
>>3012470 >destroyed anders and merills identity >implying anders wasn't shit anyway oh u what disappoints me about merrill is how she even says i can't even imagine lesbian sex like bioware pls

1 hours later 3012579 Anonymous
>>3012410 No. The only people who think that are /v/irgins. Whenever some game company makes a gay character, /v/ goes on a 'tard rage to try to force them to change it.

1 hours later 3012599 Anonymous
Gay/trans people buy games, regardless. Video games cater to HS/college girls and guys with no friends, that's the main demo. The main demo for games is currently being socially engineered via trends and social media fads. They are the only people who will write feedback emails or file complaints, a corporation has to responsibly deal with consumer complaints in order to grow. Start writing in and contributing with your feedback if you want to see things having an impact, it's simple.

2 hours later 3012677 Anonymous
Your question is kind of stupid. Video games are always changing. It's a medium, lots of people are making lots of different kinds of video games to suit people's demands. Video games are not a coherent thing to begin with. Many video games are perfectly fine for all gender identities and sexual orientations, and to try to "cater" to LGBT people doesn't really make sense. So I guess the answer is no, in that sense. But LGBT people are still a part of the market, so you might as well make some games that appeal to their particular interests. And making games that "cater to gay/trans people" can in fact be quite appealing to hetero/cis people too: cis people could have fun playing around with a gender slider or whatever "LGBT-friendly" feature you might think of. And of course if a game is actively insulting to gay/trans people, maybe they could cut that shit out too, although I don't think that's all that common in-game.

2 hours later 3012759 Anonymous
>>3012466 >Makes perfect sense statistically for a medium list of supporting characters to all be straight. If the list is small, that's fine, but personally, i think a game should stick to actual statistics and have around 4% lgbt. Ineviteably, it will sometimes be higher or lower, and that's fine, and in some circumstances open lgbt people will be unrealistic anyhow (hip hop games, maybe?). Anyhow, not every character who isn't shown to be gay must be straight. I agree with the rest of what you said.

3 hours later 3012777 Anonymous
Video games need to change to cater to gay/trans people - not for the gay/trans people but to make /vg/ et al butthurt.

3 hours later 3012782 Anonymous
Don't care as long as it's a good character and if feminists don't complain if they get killed.

3 hours later 3012798 Anonymous
>>3012466 How can you be gay when there's no gay NPCs to be gay with?

3 hours later 3012814 Anonymous
No, that's dumb

4 hours later 3012831 Anonymous (OPs_favorite_game.jpg 1200x800 87kB)
>>3012410 http://www.pridefestgame.com/ This is Atari's great comeback.

4 hours later 3012839 Anonymous
>>3012782 This anon gets it. I literally give no fucks. Feminists can complain all they want as long as they don't listen to them and keep the killing.

5 hours later 3012865 Anonymous
>>3012782 >>3012839 Exactly this. I could not care either way, but as long as they're a good character that's fine. Token characters that are forced in are always obvious and end up pleasing no one except for feminists who like poring over some equality spreadsheet.

5 hours later 3012879 Anonymous (1402631971979.png 400x480 92kB)
If by cater, you mean make some sexually appealing male characters, then yes. And I'm not talking about random barechested burly men, like, there's never an actual ottermode/lean guy who shows some actual skin. And for some reason straight guys and feminist women think guys wearing just thongs and boots is sexually appealing at all.

5 hours later 3012880 Anonymous
>>3012418 Remind me what was in New Vegas?

5 hours later 3012916 Anonymous
>>3012434 bioware isnt using is. news pags are. in a tiny sentence nearly at the end of an itnerview, after one developer was asked, he said, that there is a gay character. how is stat marketing?

6 hours later 3012961 Anonymous
>>3012880 Arcade Gannon and veronica were both gay. You don't remember it because it was mentioned only in passing, or if you took that one perk.

6 hours later 3013014 Potsy
There is no valid reason that video games should continue to only cater for straight people.

7 hours later 3013025 Anonymous (3089893-8224543377-13453.jpg 421x450 35kB)
everyone's gay for bridget

7 hours later 3013029 Anonymous
>>3013025 "i recognize that bulge"

7 hours later 3013038 Anonymous (I4Chg.png 1264x4892 1388kB)
>>3013029 >"i recognize that bulge" how could I forget?

7 hours later 3013045 Anonymous
>>3013038 Oh ... oh wow ... that was 7 years ago. Ok it's official ... I've been here way too damn long.

7 hours later 3013057 Blank
>>3013014 This. The only "bad reason" is you would piss off people who are against lgbt so not really a bad reason, but they will get some flack from some unpleasant people. I still want them to make Luigi gay and have him date bowser.

7 hours later 3013099 Anonymous
>>3013057 >I still want them to make Luigi gay and have him date bowser wat But no real talk if you're going to make anyone gay, make Toad gay. Probably not a great idea either way but I'd prefer that of the two.

7 hours later 3013113 Anonymous
well, I would like more same sex relationships and characters. I get a little tired of hetero stuff all the time you know? And there isn't really any gay male main character that I remember recently on any of the games I played, and I play a lot of games.

8 hours later 3013250 Anonymous
I couldn't care less about games having LGBT characters. Besides, I like games like Hotline Miami and Killing Floor where this shit really doesn't matter.

8 hours later 3013281 Anonymous
One day, I'd like a game with a gay protagonist that has a story that avoids being all about them being gay. That would be kinda nice, I guess. But then other than that, nah, I have no problem playing straight characters unless I'm SUPPOSED to be given a choice.

8 hours later 3013289 Anonymous
>>3012410 Good thing you didn't ask this on Tumblr. You'd have drastically different responses.

9 hours later 3013309 Anonymous
No. It's interesting for me to see gay/trans characters but there's no need to change anything or cater to anyone.

9 hours later 3013355 Anonymous
>>3013289 Haha, so true.

9 hours later 3013368 Anonymous
>>3013289 That's because he asked gay people, not SJWs.

9 hours later 3013376 Anonymous
>>3013289 Maybe because there are real gamers here, not just girlgamers and gaygamers.

9 hours later 3013436 Anonymous
>>3012514 Yuuuppp I could never into halo. Grew up on Nintendo with real characters and stories.

9 hours later 3013464 Anonymous
>>3013057 I actually think gay Luigi makes a lot of sense

9 hours later 3013475 Anonymous
>>3013376 So female gamers and gay gamers are not real gamers? Okaay As a lesbian gamer, I just want more video games with gay protagonists or characters without them being a joke or being defined by just their sexual preferences. That's all.

10 hours later 3013496 Anonymous
>>3013436 I grew up with doom and quake, as well as a playstation. Lucked out on getting some of the best games for it too, like motherfucking Future cop: LAPD

10 hours later 3013500 Anonymous
>>3013475 As a gay gamer, I just want good games. I don't really give a shit about sexuality in them. Anyone else longing for pillars of eternity?

10 hours later 3013506 Anonymous
>>3012410 we havent had one of these threads this week i guess >including gay characters is great >not including gay characters wont keep me from buying a game >if inculding gay characters, "gay" should not be that characters defining or only character trait

10 hours later 3013523 Anonymous
>>3013500 >I just want good games. I don't really give a shit about sexuality in them. I just want games where you don't get half-assed stories dumped on you by failed hollywood hacks. I play games because I want a game, not a shitty cutscene. The best gay game I've played is Blood Dragon, the characters may not have been gay but everything about it was super gay. That's how I'd rather enjoy gay games.

12 hours later 3014090 Anonymous
>>3012880 >>3012961 There were actually more LGBT characters as well that went unnoticed because they were characters that were gay not gay characters.

16 hours later 3015078 Anonymous
>>3012544 Anders was one of the best companions in Awakening and he never once makes any reference to his bisexuality Like Fenris and Isabela both make sense as Fenris was a slave and thus learned to enjoy both sexes and Isabela is well isabela.

16 hours later 3015102 Anonymous
>>3013057 If Luigi touches Bowser he dies, though >tfw you can't bang your bf because you'll die (and not of AIDS)

17 hours later 3015232 Anonymous
not at all

17 hours later 3015287 Nido
>>3015102 Luigi could get some text based game like phoenix write where you have to do some work with Bowser and than you start getting intimate than touch dicks. Luigi could start to question him on why he is so interested in the princess and slowly get to know him better than they start "kart racing" in bed together double dash style with Bowser in the back.

18 hours later 3015460 Anonymous
>>3012410 Cater to? That's the prerogative of each individual developer. Do I want games with LGBT characters? Sure, I can identify with them more. Am I going to shame companies for not having them? Nope. That doesn't actually do anything but get fat men on the internet angry. Am I going to mention how it's pointless to purposely not include LGBT characters in games out of spite? Yup. I'd like to think I'm generally reasonable about the whole thing.

18 hours later 3015502 Anonymous
>>3013500 That's your opinion, which is fine. I'm pretty sick of forced heterosexual romance in modern games though.

18 hours later 3015553 Anonymous
>>3015078 awakening he was gr8 da2 not so much and he does mention his bisexuality if hawke is male in the karl quest karl was ander's lover specifically his first he doesn't mention it to female hawke romancing him because its not needed to let her know hes interested

18 hours later 3015565 Anonymous
>>3012410 No.

18 hours later 3015587 Anonymous
>>3012410 I'd love to see a gay character in Sonic the Hedgehog.

18 hours later 3015588 Anonymous
>>3015587 just write some fanfiction

18 hours later 3015595 Anonymous (tumblr_mwwigfXaSt1qivzfyo1_500.gif 500x281 904kB)
>>3015587 Shadow is gay for Shrek

18 hours later 3015604 Anonymous (297286546721338e2fca71c0d0e6c4cb-the-most-upsetting-shrek-and-shadow-fan-art.jpg 600x424 52kB)
>>3015587 also fix-it-felix

19 hours later 3015628 Anonymous
I feel like people shouldn't be obligated to represent anyone in particular in their work. Gay people can create gay characters if they want them. Honest expression is the best expression. Representing yourself is the best representation.

19 hours later 3015728 Anonymous
>>3012410 No, its fine to have gay couples like Yoshi and Birdo every now and then but it really shouldnt be shoe horned

19 hours later 3015756 Anonymous
>>3015728 Yoshi and Birdo isn't gay though, it's a dude and an MtF

19 hours later 3015769 Anonymous
mass effect p;issed me off b/c the only gay male was black.

19 hours later 3015777 Anonymous (1403741352803.gif 407x161 1369kB)
>>3015756 >implying they don't have hot frottage action on a nightly basis

23 hours later 3016436 Anonymous
>>3012434 I do think it's a step in the right direction when companies realize that we're a market they can't just ignore. Now they only need to understand that the characters need to actually be well written, too. >>3012759 If you stuck to realistic statistics in other regards you'd end up with a horribly boring cast. It makes sense to increase the number of unusual characters of all kinds, not just so more people can identify with them, but simply because it's more interesting. That's not even about politics of any kind - just basic storytelling. >>3013281 >One day, I'd like a game with a gay protagonist that has a story that avoids being all about them being gay. Agreed. However, a lot of regular storylines (in all kinds of media) are acually A LOT about the main characters straight relationships, even when they are supposed to be about something else. I'd honestly be pretty happy already if more story-based stuff just avoided romance subplots alltogether.

23 hours later 3016457 Anonymous
>>3013281 this with the storyline along lets say the last of us. Watch the first "gay" vidya will have full on fledged lesbians because it appeals to heteroscum

23 hours later 3016467 Anonymous
>>3015628 I think you're bringing up an interesting point here. On one hand, I do want to see more LGBT characters in fiction and I don't think not belonging to a group is a good argument for not writing about them - otherwise most fiction would be VERY dull, most people only have rather limited experience to draw from, after all. But on the other hand, when representing a minority you'll usually only have few characters of that kind and therefore a good representation is essential or you're spreading false stereotypes. And straight cis people are bound to make mistakes when writing LGBT characters since it's something that lies outside their realm of experience. Another problem is that all well written characters need to have flaws, but if they belong to an actual existing minority it can quickly seem like you mean to say that these flaws are common among that group, even if you had the very best intentions.

23 hours later 3016469 Anonymous
>>3012410 "Cater" is an incredibly loaded word. No I don't thin k every company should be head over heels trying to "cater" to minorities, but I don't think some queer (gay, trans, anything) that aren't horribly handled is too much to ask. The issue is that straight white cisdudes in game development seem to think they have a good chance at writing those sorts of characters when they largely have no idea about the life experiences of queer people, and it usually ends up really miserably. The other issue is that whenever people mention this kind of thing, a bunch of dudebros immediately jump to defend the poor AAA companies. Oh it's just too much work, we shouldn't pander to fags, leave your political business out of my games, y'know.. the works. It would be really simple for people to admit that more variety is never a bad thing and that no-one is trying to force queer characters into literally every single video game ever, but people get way too angry to understand that I guess.

23 hours later 3016479 Anonymous
>>3016469 And no I'm not saying that game developers being largely not women and not queer is a good reason to avoid these characters, because they could -talk- to people. Tons of them would probably do it for free even.

29 hours later 3017174 Anonymous (LastofUs-cover_2837969b.jpg 620x387 63kB)
>>3016457 >The Last Of Us: Left Behind DLC >Set three weeks before the The Last of Us takes place, Riley surprises Ellie at the boarding school. Revealing that she became a Firefly during her absence, Riley takes Ellie to the abandoned shopping mall she brought her to when they first met. >To cheer themselves up, the girls had a water gun fight and danced to some music. Ellie pleaded with Riley not to go despite having earlier encouraged her to. Riley drops her pendant in response and is kissed by Ellie, but the girls are soon interrupted by Runners that were attracted by the music.

29 hours later 3017180 Anonymous
>>3016469 no one wants politics in their entertainment, you can deal without media mirror

29 hours later 3017185 Anonymous
>>3017180 But politics in video games is cool if it's tastefully done game-world politics. Like New Vegas. I hate it when games or film make HURR MUH STATEMENT's too.

30 hours later 3017287 Anonymous
>>3017180 Politics would be a game stopping half way through and discussing "straight privilege". Having gay characters isn't political, it just seems political because everyone's used to all the characters being straight

30 hours later 3017321 Anonymous
>>3016469 > games (as with almost all facets of civilisation) are made by straight white guys > 'games should have minority characters' > 'straight white guys dont know about minorities and so often cant create realistic representations' (i agree) so whats your solution? have some minority person hired purely on the basis of them being a minority, so they can be an ideas guy? why cant minorities just make their own games if they want representation? why must someone else do it for you?

30 hours later 3017331 Anonymous
>>3017185 New Vegas approached themes like homosexuality with maturity that was far, FAR ahead of its time (and it was only released in 2010). Bioware couldn't hope to catch up to that even in their dreams.

31 hours later 3017343 Anonymous (a cat.jpg 320x367 25kB)
>>3017321 >why cant minorities just make their own games if they want representation? Because then you get dogshit games like this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/3 12970/

31 hours later 3017351 Anonymous
>>3017343 Or scams like the Arkh Project

31 hours later 3017382 Anonymous
>>3017343 no doubt also the fault of straight white men

31 hours later 3017390 Anonymous
>>3017321 It seems odd to make so many games that (usually) take place on the planet earth without including any main characters in it besides straight white guys.

31 hours later 3017396 Anonymous
>>3017331 It's basically all down to the god-tier writing of chris avellone. Seriously, at least 5 titles or so of any top ten rpg list will feature him as a writer.

31 hours later 3017397 Anonymous
>>3017390 a game has to sell and majority of gamers are heterosexual. don't make it into sj issue

31 hours later 3017410 Anonymous
>>3017397 >a game has to sell I thought a game has to be good, not just a bland moneymaker designed specifically to masturbate the wallets of the majority.

31 hours later 3017424 Anonymous
>>3017410 The majority of all entertainment is made to appeal to the majority. I can't believe you don't know this. There are good games, there are games with miniorities, and sometimes they even have both. There's just fewer of them.

31 hours later 3017427 Anonymous
>>3017410 companies exist to make money. straight white guys are the primary producer and consumer of videogames, not to mention the foundation of the Occident; this is why they are the centre of the gaming world as they are the real world (at least in the West)

32 hours later 3017442 Anonymous
>>3017424 >>3017427 So again, it's not about good gameplay, or a good plot, or good quality, or good graphics, or anything along those lines. It's about appealing to the majority market with mindless pandering. Thanks /v/. I'm glad to see you have your priorities straight.

32 hours later 3017471 MatchuTiger
>>3012410 Fuck no. They sure as shit shouldn't go out if their way to cater to women, either. Anita Sarkeesian csn drown in a vat of chimp feces. Vidja game developers should cater to the demographic most using their products, but there's the potential for them to create games to fit *any* demographic; so, in my opinion they should cater to their user base, regardless of what that user base is. But they should never feel "socially responsible" to pander to a certain demographic.

32 hours later 3017478 Anonymous (1404849662053.png 400x384 223kB)
>tfw Borderlands 2 exists >tfw Borderlands 3 probably won't have a single straight couple in it

32 hours later 3017486 Anonymous
>>3017471 So you're saying that they should cater to their user base but not cater to women, who The Entertainment Software Association estimate make up 48% of all people who play video games. Good job you're not a CEO isn't it.

32 hours later 3017494 Anonymous
>>3017442 it's not /v that 'has their priorities straight. it's the game developers. if you don't understand that making games is a business that's dealing in milions then i feel sorry for you besides complaining about mindless pandering in a thread about pandering is stupid

32 hours later 3017510 Anonymous
>>3017442 How fucking dumb are you? >So again, it's not about good gameplay, or a good plot, or good quality, or good graphics, or anything along those lines. For me it is, but not for any company that wants assloads of money. They're not in this for charity. That's why smaller developers with lower budgets can afford to appeal to a more narrow target audience. Seriously, it's not hard figuring this out.

32 hours later 3017515 MatchuTiger
>>3017486 Work on your reading comprehension. >Vidja game developers should cater to the demographic most using their products, but there's the potential for them to create games to fit *any* demographic; so, in my opinion they should cater to their user base, regardless of what that user base is. But they should never feel "socially responsible" to pander to a certain demographic. If you want to distill the point, it's basically this: The video game developer's primary concern should be catering to the demographic that buys their product, particularly in the case where a certain title or series is played predominantly by a specific demographic, *regardless of what the demographic in question is*, instead of pandering to be "socially responsible". If a game is played predominantly by 15 year old boys, it should cater to 15 year old boys, instead of being concerned that feminists might think that some of its aspects are sexist and throw a fit. For OP's question, the short answer is simply no; the gaming industry should not reshape itself to pander to gays and trans. It should focus specifically on satisfying its target audience(s). That may sometimes include gay and trans people. See what I'm saying now?

33 hours later 3017558 Anonymous
>>3017494 >>3017510 Those complaining about people who point out the problem of how minorities aren't present in games are the same people who advocate for the focus on majority appeal over an actual decent game.

33 hours later 3017566 Anonymous
>>3017558 "If you're not with us, you're against us", huh? Because no game that was pandering to majority was ever any good. It should instead pander to minority, because that automatically means a decent game. This is not /v. We are not talking about what makes a decent game. We are not choosing pandering over different elements of the game. Get that through your thick skull or gtfo to /v or tumblr to whine there instead

33 hours later 3017582 Anonymous
>>3017494 hey what did you expect? this was posted in /lgbt/ asking, basically, "should there be more lgbt characters in games?". of course we're going to think "yeah, that'd be cool". games don't HAVE to have queer characters to be good, but it'd be nice. they don't HAVE to pander to anyone. But if it's a good game then people will buy it regardless. Are you telling me if there was some really awesome game out and one of the main characters was gay, straight male gamers wouldn't buy it? What if the next GTA DLC had a gay protagonist? Or a woman protagonist? Or a gay woman protagonist? It's clearly ok to have non white protagonists in GTA without alienating white people, so why don't they try a different tact? (See also: The Ballad of Gay Tony, or Florian/Bernie for gay characters in GTA games)

33 hours later 3017587 Anonymous
>>3017582 I expected reading comprehension. Too much, I know.

33 hours later 3017599 Anonymous
>>3017478 Dude must have sucked some serious dick as a game journalist to make it up all the way as a lead writer for Memelands 2.

33 hours later 3017600 Anonymous
>>3017343 http://store.steampowered.com/app/2 70310/ Or this garbage.

33 hours later 3017604 Anonymous
>>3017600 what is this abomination that's why I prefer vn when it come to indie

33 hours later 3017607 Anonymous
videogame writing should just be less shit.

33 hours later 3017608 Anonymous
>>3017587 Reading comprehension? Someone asked a bunch of homos "Do you think there should be more homos in vidya games?". The answer pretty much broadly was "Yes". You're now posting in here being all "It's a BUSINESS! GAY PEOPLE AREN'T THE MAJORITY! AAAAAAH!" The question was not "Would gearing games towards gay people and having gay sex minigames in every FPS be profitable?". You should probably try to up your reading comprehension.

33 hours later 3017615 Anonymous
>>3017608 You should probably read a post I was responding to, idiot

33 hours later 3017624 Anonymous
>>3017442 its about whatever the company thinks is valuable to do they may believe that they can make a copy paste of wow, cod, lol etc.and cash in on some of their popularity they may not believe they have the skill to create a fun game, and instead rely on hack pandering to various minority groups to give them a voice (eg gone home) they may believe that money isnt super important to them, so they can afford to relax a bit on what is likely to make money, and go with what they want to do stop being so fucking obtuse you gronk cunt

33 hours later 3017633 Anonymous (1403055760166.png 881x595 256kB)
>>3017624 >/v/ confirmed for worst taste you guys really do need gays to make all your videogames, don't you?

33 hours later 3017639 Anonymous
>>3017633 i dont use /v/ but please expand your point

34 hours later 3017679 Anonymous (tumblr snowflakery the game.jpg 1728x1080 256kB)
>>3017343 >>3017600 >>3017604

34 hours later 3017721 Anonymous (brad fang.jpg 281x449 31kB)
What's the point? If it's a good game then you won't care about character sexual orientations anyway. I don't care if Brad Fang from Contra Hard Corps is gay or straight. Cutscenes and complex plot elements usually make possibly good games bad. [spoiler]I can still imagine Brad Fang as gay though. Y'know, if I wanted.[/spoiler]

34 hours later 3017733 Anonymous
>>3017721 A complex plot never ever made a story-based game worse. Or did you mean something else?

34 hours later 3017763 Anonymous
I'd rather just see interesting characters in vidya than gay ones.

34 hours later 3017791 Anonymous
>>3017733 >Story-based >Game

35 hours later 3017841 Anonymous
What about characters who never have their sexuality elaborated on? Never have a love interest, that kinda thing. Does the media just automatically count them as 'straight' by default?

35 hours later 3017888 Anonymous
No, the inclusion if LGBT characters would be nice if it was tastefully done and not like the way EA has been pandering to the LGBT crowd.

35 hours later 3017918 Anonymous (eyes-up-here-shirt.jpg 700x525 96kB)
>>3017486 Nice bit of stats. fudging there. 48% of all vidya may be played by women but when you break the stats down into the kinds of games they play, they play puzzle and casual games almost entirely on mobile devices. http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/13/ca sual-gaming-women-tech-personal-cx_ bc_0314casual.html I'm guessing you want fruit women can identify with in fruitninja?

35 hours later 3017938 Anonymous
>>3017791 Are you having trouble understanding something here, friend?

36 hours later 3018282 Anonymous
>>3017721 Well if it doesn't matter what sexual orientation they are, why not make some of them gay?

36 hours later 3018289 Anonymous
>>3017486 >muh farmville >muh angry birds lol, the market for real games is still dominated by men

37 hours later 3018620 Anonymous
>>3015553 Thats what I meant. In Awakening he states all he wants is to settle down with a girl and shoot lightning bolts at some guys. I honestly would have preferred it being Velanna instead of him. Yeah her character was shittier but she seemed like she cared more about the plight of mages whereas Anders goes from Care-free apostate to Revolutionary sudden bisexual that everyone hates cause he is a whiney piece of shit.

37 hours later 3018634 Anonymous (images.jpg 284x177 7kB)
>>3015769 Motha fucking Kaiden Alenko. If he is alive in ME3 you can romance him as a male shep. It's actually a really cute romance and the way he says I love you at the end though ;-;

37 hours later 3018639 Anonymous
>>3012410 >Do any of you think that video games need to change to cater to gay/trans people? From an economic standpoint? Sure, they'd probably want to do that. From a moral standpoint? Not really... but it'd certainly be welcome. Video games are way too stale, especially when it comes to characters, so some more variation in that area would be nice.

38 hours later 3018642 Anonymous
>>3017287 This. Being gay is just as normal as being straight, so no one should make a big deal because there's nothing to get upset over. Only companies like Nintendo want to get stuck and say "w-well, were family friendly" like gay people don't have families or kids.

38 hours later 3018658 Anonymous
>>3017471 >not realizing almost 50% of gamers are women Mm hm

38 hours later 3018670 Anonymous
>>3017791 You realize games are a medium right? You know.. like a story telling medium.

38 hours later 3018672 Anonymous
>>3018634 I don't understand why he just became bi all of a sudden in ME3. Obviously they wanted a bi male romance option, but it feels a little cheap that his sexuality just changed overnight.

38 hours later 3018675 Anonymous (0a205aab42be831ec7e3de7d0de2d84f.jpg 400x435 62kB)
>>3017721 >contra hard corps Best taste

38 hours later 3018693 Anonymous
>>3018672 he was supposed to be from the game 1

38 hours later 3018714 Anonymous
>>3017918 You realize most male "hardcore gamers" started out playing those "causal games" as well, right? If game developers only focused on what people where currently playing, you'd still be playing pong. Women are still a young market, but a significant one that, like the male market, will most likely evolve given some time. And for curiosity's sake: What games did you start out with?

38 hours later 3018735 Anonymous
>>3018672 >>3018693 I liked the change and he says in Mass Effect 3 things have changed and he just wants to spend his life with someone. Anyone. He then asks shepard if he/she understands that. In short, Kaiden doesn't care about your genitals, he cares about love. Which is cute.

38 hours later 3018756 Anonymous
>>3018735 Yeah, but what i meant was: he was supposed to be bi from the day 1, they just scrapped it because Liara was enough in gay department for a first game apparently Ashley was supposed to be bi too, but I'm not too sorry she isn't

39 hours later 3018917 Anonymous
>>3018756 Considering the amount of shit they had to deal with from fox and conservatives, I guess she really was enough in the gay department.

39 hours later 3019125 Anonymous (fun-for-gamers-11.jpg 500x857 61kB)
>>3018714 Women are not a young market, women have been around as long as video games have. Despite the propaganda of Sarkeesian and friends, the major obstacle to women playing these kinds of games is... women's choices. Immediately accessible, low-cost videogames that require zero investment in additional hardware are a new market. The uptake by certain groups (females and the elderly) in massive numbers does not suggest aversion from hardcore games rather it shows a clear preference for games that do not require significant investment in narrative or highly focused skill. Anecdotal evidence provided by me on what games I started out on will not prove or disprove anything (I suspect you will not find my answer confirms your assessment). Regardless, the statement you're making is not proven. Children of all genders may start out on simple games out of necessity, these should not be mistaken for casual games, however. Ultimately, what is needed is for more female developers to make more games that they think females want to play. Funnily enough, the only developer I've seen speaking of this (who is not part of a large team) mentions that she creates dress-up games.

40 hours later 3019204 Anonymous
>>3019125 >Ultimately, what is needed is for more female developers to make more games that they think females want to play. You disgusting gender conformist! All genders like the exact same things and only appear to not because of social conditioning. If we were not forced and taught by society we would all love to play the exact same games and all demographics would like the exact same things.

40 hours later 3019337 Anonymous (applaud - riker.gif 300x306 267kB)
>>3019204 inorite. Unfortunately we're doomed to be subjected to this nonsensical rhetoric for the foreseeable future.

40 hours later 3019362 Anonymous
>>3017791 The first major collection of video games in the history of video games were story-based with a text interface. I can't stand you /v/ idiots. Most of you are retarded teenagers whose first game was on N64 or playstation. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about more than half the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork

40 hours later 3019389 Anonymous
>>3017566 >>3017624 You basically define a "fun game" (subjective) as perpetually pandering to the majority, that a "fun game" intrinsically never appeals to a minority. According to you, if a game appeals to a minority in any way, it's automatically bad and the entire game is focused on pandering to said minority. >baww it's not /v/ >why are we talking about minorities in video games on a board created for minorities in a thread complaining about minorities in video games Then bring this conversation about video games to /v/ and stop bothering us with it. You're a fucking moron.

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