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2018-03-28 07:13 87486963 Anonymous 'Victory for Kremlin' as Germany approves gas pipeline (nordstream.jpg 2000x1176 188kB)
Germany has given the go-ahead for a Russian gas pipeline despite the furore over Russia's chemical attack in the UK. The Federal Maritime and Hydrographic Agency in Berlin said Russia could build the pipeline, called Nord Stream 2, on Tuesday one day after Germany and other EU states expelled Russian diplomats. "We are pleased that all necessary permits are now in place for the German route section" the head of the Nord Stream 2 consortium, said. The BSH analysis showed Nord Stream 2 "will contribute to increasing security of supply and competition in the EU gas market", the Russian company added. The pipeline is a purely "economic project", German chancellor Angela Merkel and foreign minister Heiko Mass recently reaffirmed. Those views are diametrically opposed to positions taken by most EU states, EU institutions, and the US. The pipeline, which will concentrate 80 percent of Russian gas sales to the EU on the German route, will help the Kremlin to blackmail other European states with supply cuts and will make a mockery of international sanctions imposed over Russia's aggression in the UK and in Ukraine, its critics have said. "Big victory for Kremlin, helps to increase EU energy dependency on Russia and make Ukraine more vulnerable," Bob Seely, an MP from Britain's ruling Conservative Party, said on Tuesday in one of the first reactions to the German permit. "It is completely in contradiction with EU energy policy" Lithuania's foreign minister recently told. He said the UK attack had changed nothing in terms of Germany's outlook on the gas project. "It's the same. The SPD is back on board and everybody knows its position on Nord Stream 2," he said, referring to the centre-left SPD party which backs the pipeline deal. The US has threatened to impose sanctions on the EU firms - Engie, OMV, Uniper, Shell, and Wintershall planning to co-finance the pipeline which could force Russia to find the money elsewhere.

1 min later 87487041 Anonymous
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8 min later 87487308 Anonymous (evil_kraut_lady.png 798x545 757kB)
>>87486963 Based Macedonian european news poster.

34 min later 87488332 Anonymous
>>87486963 >Ukraine blackmails gasprom by straling gas and causing shortages in Europe >gasprom decides just avoid in Ukraine in the chain of supply How can this be considered bad by anyone?

35 min later 87488374 Anonymous
>>87487524 greeks are debt ridden boy fuckers below the slavs, so who cares?

45 min later 87488862 Anonymous
>>87488442 suck my cock, kim. I hope Erdrogan annexes those turkic rape babies once again.

46 min later 87488896 Anonymous
>>87488332 it bypasses an entire cadre of eu members, denying them fee income and geostrategic upgrade. Germany becomes more dominant when it comes to energy supply and distribution and further strengthens their grip on Europe. also >The pipeline, which will concentrate 80 percent of Russian gas sales to the EU on the German route, will help the Kremlin to blackmail other European states with supply cuts and will make a mockery of international sanctions imposed over Russia's aggression in the UK and in Ukraine, its critics have said.

47 min later 87488941 Anonymous
>>87488862 good luck with Russia

47 min later 87488956 Anonymous
Didn't Vyborg used to be a part of finland? They mad?

50 min later 87489070 Anonymous
>>87488896 So do they want us to build a pipeline through Poland or keep trading with Ukraine? It's our gas and Germany is our consumer. Nobody would do this if Ukraine behaved itself.

53 min later 87489174 Anonymous
>>87488956 >ctrl+f Vyborg >1 result Uhm.. Yes, it was a part of Funland until Winter War, why?

53 min later 87489175 Anonymous
>>87488955 >it is much more likely that you are a descendant of turkic rape babies you lithuanian subhuman based. also you're not the one to talk about rape babies, Kim boy.

54 min later 87489233 Anonymous
>>87489203 My condolences.

55 min later 87489258 Anonymous
based

56 min later 87489336 Anonymous
>>87486963 Tbh, what was the alternative? Relying on a hypothetical gas supply by Murica that is not even there already and would necessarily have to be carried by ship? Also, >implying Murica is more reliable and nicer than Russia as an economic partner. Also, friendly reminder that everyone buys oil from all those cute islamic regimes in the middle east already.

58 min later 87489423 Anonymous
>>87489070 They want written and contractual obligation on not using the pipe as a political tool. Of course russia says they would never do such thing yet don't agree to any chages in the agreement.

1 hours later 87489545 Anonymous (mail_22449_39641.jpg 640x475 82kB)
>and than zey said zey are going to leave the EU if you go ahead with this

1 hours later 87489594 Anonymous
imagine if we still had a shared border like in the good old days

1 hours later 87489865 Anonymous
>>87489423 We won't cause we will just shut any supplies through Ukraine

1 hours later 87489967 Anonymous
>>87486963 CANCEL IT! YOU STUPID FUCKS!

1 hours later 87490035 Anonymous
>>87486963 >we must show solidarity among European nations and stand strong against Russia >does this ok, thanks Germany.

1 hours later 87490366 Anonymous
>>87489070 >It's our gas and Germany is our customer it's your gas but germans are not the only consumer the fears of adjacent and other european cunts are real you and Germany are getting richer and strengthen your position while they get nothing

1 hours later 87490453 Anonymous
>>87489423 But gas never was used as political tool, even at a height of the cold war. It's more like some transit shitholes want to abuse their geographical position for gibs and political pressure.

1 hours later 87490504 Anonymous
>>87486963 WOW CHEAPER ENERGY THAT IS NOT DEPENDENT ON COUNTRIES THAT THREATEN THAT CHEAP ENERGY WTF GERMANY U R NAZIS (But really, buy our gas you evil nazis).

1 hours later 87490991 Anonymous
>>87489070 >So do they want us to build a pipeline through Poland or keep trading with Ukraine? You're retarded or just dishonest? Europe is supposedly a harmonious collective of democratic states if you ask the German establishment, but if Russians pay them off to be able to starve out Ukraine and more easily threaten some other states, EU members included, then its all good. This is why we will import from Norwegians and Americans now. Fuck your bullshit, we had to build completely new infrastructure just to avoid you having "difficulties" in the dead of winter. Don't talk about behaving. Russia promised to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine in return for their nukes, now you invade it because they no longer fallow you. To add to that all your pretexts are horseshit, Russians were well regarded before you decided to fuck with them. You'd like to confuse people with stories of some ruski holocaust brewing, when there literally was no incident. In this casde its 100% your imperialism and 0% their fault.

1 hours later 87491135 Anonymous
>>87490453 because it totally never got shut down for mysterious reasons anytime Putput got butthurt about something prior to 2010. lel It was just malfunctions in the pipes, yo.

1 hours later 87491224 Anonymous
>>87490991 >whataboutising about Crimea Gazprom affairs have nothing to do with it. Ukraine was spitting in its fave long before. We don't HAVE to pay for ukrainians. And we don't care about your relations with Germany

1 hours later 87491272 Anonymous
>>87490366 >while they get nothing why should anybody be entilted to a share here? This is business, not socialism.

1 hours later 87491298 Anonymous
>>87491135 Nobody said it was malfunction, ukies were stealing gas.

1 hours later 87491330 Anonymous
>>87490504 >(But really, buy our gas you evil nazis). This is all this comes down to, as it was said countless time by your officials. We will buy your gas when it is cheaper. Get your shit together.

1 hours later 87491366 Anonymous
Why didn't the Allies just sterilise the Germans after the war?

1 hours later 87491529 Anonymous (huutista.gif 600x580 446kB)
>>87490991 >Don't talk about behaving. Russia promised to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine in return for their nukes Man imagine that if thet kept the Soviet nukes. Probably the international community would've interviewed but still.

1 hours later 87491535 Anonymous
>>87491272 >This is business exactly everybody must fend for themselves or else they're getting trampled

1 hours later 87491602 Anonymous
Thank fuck we're leaving the EU, what a joke

1 hours later 87491607 Anonymous
>>87491298 U sure it weren't gnomes? Magical gnomes that appeared everytime Poland and Russia had a dyplomatic crisis. Very odd timing a dozen times over. Yeah, must be pure coincidence! >>87491224 >whataboutising about Crimea You started to talk about Ukraine, fucktard. >Gazprom affairs have nothing to do with it. Every strategic company at your circus of a country is micromanaged by the administration.

1 hours later 87491727 Anonymous
>>87491535 You can still buy your gas wherever you want, built your own pipeline from Cyprus or Israel if you want to

1 hours later 87491748 Anonymous
>>87486963 Don't care. Putin and a bunch of his criminal friends are the only ones who will benefit from it in russia.

1 hours later 87491935 Anonymous
>>87491727 duuurrr

1 hours later 87491943 Anonymous
>>87491529 Heh, Korwin actually tried to steer that fucktard Wałęsa into buying some of the ICBMs before Uks got rid of them, but unfortunately the later was a pussy. Ukraine couldn't even make a different decision, it was swamped completely with agents with loyalties to Moscow. Sucks to be them, that was their one sure way to sovereignty. Now its back getting heaped on the Russian dumpster fire.

1 hours later 87492014 Anonymous (woj.jpg 601x508 28kB)
>>87491602 Literally you right now.

1 hours later 87492114 Anonymous
>Nord Stream >Between Russia and Germany Are you two LARP:ing as Vikings again?

2 hours later 87492502 Anonymous
Our greatest ally

2 hours later 87492631 Anonymous
>>87489967 lol, eastern Europe and Germany HAVE to suck Russian dick or else they freeze.

2 hours later 87492709 Anonymous
>>87486963 >muh yuropen solidarity xaxaxaxaxaxaxa

2 hours later 87492949 Anonymous
I have a question from Polish point of view. Does Nord Stream in allows to send gas to Poland? As I'm seeing from map it's just a short connection and gas is in Poland. any Russian expert here?

2 hours later 87493209 Anonymous
>>87492631 how to spot the person who doesn't know shit

2 hours later 87493459 Anonymous
>>87491607 What crisis did we have in 2008 and 2009? You think too much of your own importance >You started about Ukraine About it's gas transit system >by administration Yeah, and Putin personally eats one polish kid daily

2 hours later 87493573 Anonymous
>>87492949 i am volga german but i can ask the volga german ceo of gazprom later this week

2 hours later 87493652 Anonymous
UK btfo

2 hours later 87493792 Anonymous
>>87486963 ahhhh very nice very nice, we will get to syphon some inbetween. Just consider it as "country tax". Very convenient location, approved.

2 hours later 87493839 Anonymous
>>87493792 better lose some gas to 2mln people than 40 million greasy hohols, that wont pay a dime for the gas later

2 hours later 87493929 Anonymous
>>87493792 The whole point is that it doesn't touch any annoying shit's territory

2 hours later 87493970 Anonymous
>>87486963 Who cares. USA won't allow that anyway.

2 hours later 87494061 Anonymous
>>87493970 >poolish delusion

2 hours later 87494309 Anonymous
>>87493839 oни cepёзнo тaк бoлшaя пpoблeмa?

2 hours later 87494388 Anonymous
>>87493929 yup, it's in sea's non-border territory

2 hours later 87494608 Anonymous
>>87494309 yes yes, ukraine doesnt like volga german, because of envy >>87494388 lets not kid ourselves, poland is interested in establishing abecoming a main supplier(lng hubs) for mainland europe, so ofc they will oppose ns2, they wouldnt even give twoo shits if some of the ns2 would go thorugh poland poland doesnt care for ukraine. You are playing the same game, so stop being hypocrite

2 hours later 87494610 Anonymous
>>87493970 We cannot stop that. Why are you butthurt belt faggots so triggered by capitalism and the free market? Go back to communism if so

2 hours later 87494728 Anonymous
>>87494309 fuck off tibal you are not welcome in estonia and not in russia fuck off back to arctic

2 hours later 87494867 Anonymous
>>87491727 They could have the Orthodox Bros Stream pipeline to Russia. The russians build it and the greeks pay the bill later. 10/10 deal.

2 hours later 87494907 Anonymous
>>87494608 >poland is interested in establishing abecoming a main supplier(lng hubs) yes, you're right, but my main question is - does NS2 not allow Poland to charge gas from the pipe? I think it allows, Ukraine is in worse position.

2 hours later 87494935 Anonymous
>>87494728 actually I am estonian, fluidity is a necessity my friend

2 hours later 87495177 Anonymous
>>87494907 ehm you have your own pipleine that goes thorugh belaruse? i think its sufficent amounbt of gas for poland so dont worry its ukraine that is criminal and doesnt pay and steal gas, and germany has to freeze for these bydlos no thanks we need ns2, concessions can be made, it can be built through poland, but no ukraine

2 hours later 87495196 Anonymous
good.

3 hours later 87495229 Anonymous
>>87494935 stockholm syndrome

3 hours later 87496069 Anonymous
>>87490991 Ukraine is not a member of EU. Germany has no obligation to protect their interest. Should Russia ever cut gas from Poland, then Poland can of course always buy gas from Germany, for a small transit fee

3 hours later 87496554 Anonymous
Good news. With good relations between Germany and a Russia there cannot be a big European war

3 hours later 87497446 Anonymous
Nordstream II will significantly increase european energy security, because the continent will be less reliant on Druzhba/Soyuz pipelines which run across quite unstable region, also it will decrease prices due to removal of transit fees out of the equation, would be nice if Yamal-II would get done too someday, anyway this is truly a milestone moment which will benefit all (maybe except some transit countries like Ukraine and Poland, because throughput via pipelines in their territory would visibly reduce, obviously it's always cheaper to transport via neutral territory in the Baltic Sea and avoid all those ludicrous transit fees these nations place upon gas flowing through their territory, while they can just relax and essentially get free money without any contribution at all) I understand people might disagree, but it's actually a great deal for Germany and some other western-central european countries, which will give them access to cheaper gas, thus increasing general competitiveness of their businesses and lower prices for consumers. For example fees for heating during winter months in some parts of Europe can totally get out of hand, this should keep them in check.

3 hours later 87497564 Hrvoje
fuck g*rmany

3 hours later 87497569 Anonymous (russian-gas-pipelines.jpg 700x542 193kB)
>>87497446 t. schröder but still I agree with you, Ukraine cant be trusted, and Poland still gets their gas through an exclusive piplein

3 hours later 87497611 Hrvoje
>>87497446 >Nordstream II will significantly increase european energy security +15 pidorashka No one needs rooster gas, we can buy it from Norway that is a stable and reliable trading partner. Or from Qatar or even the US.

3 hours later 87497714 Anonymous
>>87497611 >No one needs rooster gas, we can buy it from Norway that is a stable and reliable trading partner. Or from Qatar or even the US. do whatever you want, germany gets its gas from ns2 Case closed :-)

3 hours later 87497746 Anonymous
I hope a Czech navy submarine torpedos the pipe once it's almost finished

3 hours later 87497790 Anonymous
>>87497611 That's a great idea! If Germany buys gas from Russia, and Poland from USA/Quatar, we ensure that the gas supply is diversified in EU, and we won't be too dependend on each supplier

3 hours later 87497791 Anonymous
>>87497746 dont mess with germany and russia together '39 may come soon enough :-)

3 hours later 87497951 Anonymous (1939.jpg 236x264 10kB)
>>87497746

3 hours later 87497978 Anonymous
All it would take is a few years of paying extra for American gas transit to bring Russia to its knees. Honestly Poles were right and Germs are retarded and selfish. We should've let Europe have their way postwar instead of defending Germany and suggesting leniency.

4 hours later 87498043 Anonymous
>>87497978 The Netherlands has the biggest gas field of Europe. And we just pretty much closed it because some people in the far north complained about cracks in their walls and the jews in charge refused to compensate them.

4 hours later 87498121 Anonymous
>>87498043 So even more alternatives to justify hating Germany's behavior.

4 hours later 87498153 Anonymous
>>87498043 why Krauts are so dumb? they are a cancer of Europe

4 hours later 87498168 Anonymous
>>87497978 >we helped you 80 years ago, that means you have to buy our shitty expensive gas American logic

4 hours later 87498244 Anonymous
>>87498121 Don't worry. The Netherlands is going to kill off Russia single handedly. After MH17 the shellholders of Shell (aka the Dutch King) approved of a program to roll out 400 hydrogen fuel stations in Germany. The cars will follow. https://www.shell.com/media/news-an d-media-releases/2015/shell-to-inst all-nationwide-network-hydrogen-veh icle-fuelling-pumps-germany.html

4 hours later 87498271 Anonymous
>>87498043 Russia has funded these green/environmental activists for decades to weaken the energy industry in Western countries.

4 hours later 87498321 Anonymous
>>87498244 >shellholders shareholders

4 hours later 87498332 Anonymous
>>87497978 yeah but do you know that USA helped Europe because with Europe in crisis American's economy would be shit?

4 hours later 87500018 Anonymous
>>87498321 lmao shell is one of the partners of ns2 along omv, gazprom and siemens

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