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2018-03-28 05:24 87482825 Anonymous European lies and corruption (59701-eu_swastika-678x381.jpg 678x381 17kB)
STATEMENT BY PROFESSORS JEFFREY SACHS (Columbia University) & JAMES K. GALBRAITH (Texas University) >“Greece was strangled by the creditors in 2015. We stand with Yanis Varoufakis and with the truth.” Professors Jeff Sachs (Columbia) and James K. Galbraith (Texas) Thomas Wieser’s claim that Yanis Varoufakis and the Greek government of 2015 cost their economy 200 billion euros is ludicrous. As Wieser knows – because he was one of the architects of the policy – the Greek economy in 2015 was strangled by its creditors. The creditors inflicted severe damage from the first day: by undermining liquidity of the bank system, refusing to restructure the debt, insisting on harsh austerity, and most importantly and blatantly, refusing to negotiate or even brainstorm in good faith. The creditors’ measures were highly destructive for Greece, as even former German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble admitted. Schäuble told Varoufakis that, were their positions reversed, he would not sign! The creditors’ terms were not aimed to help Greece at all. We stand with Yanis Varoufakis and with the truth. We know that the Greek people have the wisdom to do the same.

0 min later 87482850 Anonymous
oh boohoo

2 min later 87482920 Anonymous
>>87482825 If you want true corruption you should look into what's currently going on with Selmayr.

10 min later 87483169 Anonymous
>>87482920 I'm going to post about Juncker and his buttboi later

14 min later 87483329 Anonymous
Galbraith is Varoufakis' mentor he literally made him.

15 min later 87483348 Anonymous
>>87482825 ((()))

15 min later 87483364 Anonymous
Bump

16 min later 87483385 Anonymous
A federalization of the European Union would result in this new state taking up and paying Greece's debts.

16 min later 87483399 Anonymous
>>87482850 fpbp

17 min later 87483422 Anonymous
>>87483329 So? He would risk his academic reputation just to support him?

18 min later 87483455 Anonymous
>>87483385 >paying How?

20 min later 87483510 Anonymous
>>87483422 >his academic reputation Do you know anything about him at all?

22 min later 87483606 Anonymous
>>87483455 The European Union as a whole runs at a surplus. In a federation scenario this would either be used to pay up the debts or they would be kept up but the burden wouldn't be on Greece anymore as the debt would move up to the federal government.

23 min later 87483623 Anonymous
>>87483455 With money

23 min later 87483644 Anonymous
>>87483510 Google is a thing

25 min later 87483697 Anonymous
>>87483644 Use it then and stop making stupid fucking threads you pleb

26 min later 87483751 Anonymous
>>87483606 The money is owed to the imf and other yuro cunts though and soon the imf will be fully repaid. If anyone is paying any money that's us.

28 min later 87483822 Anonymous
>>87483697 Enlighten us on Galbraith then. You seem to know stuff about stuff.

28 min later 87483823 Anonymous
>>87483751 I'm sure you are but the federal idea would definitely be a quicker way out.

34 min later 87484065 Anonymous
>>87483823 He doesn't understand what you're saying to him, you have to rephrase your arguments in slogan form - the favoured form of discourse of the average NO voter. >>87483822 Do your own research, the right to vote comes with responsibilities you know.

36 min later 87484119 Anonymous
>>87482825 >Europeans >Corruption You dont know what corruption means if you arent from southern spain.

37 min later 87484197 Anonymous
>>87483823 >way out. Nope, federalisation probably won't mean abolishing the countries as entities. Even if the budget, financial system becomes common they will find a way to extract interest and capital like seizing assets and businesses.

41 min later 87484340 Anonymous
>>87484065 I'm asking you to present your grievances about Galbraith. Is that so hard? I think tho that he must know a thing or two more about economics to me and you.

44 min later 87484460 Anonymous
>>87484197 >>federalisation probably won't mean abolishing the countries as entities It definitely wouldn't yet as you said the budget and financial system would certainly be joined up. >they will find a way to extract interest and capital like seizing assets and businesses. Why would they go through all this trouble just to fuck Greece up? You're letting emotions get in the way of reason.

51 min later 87484727 Anonymous
>>87484460 >fuck Greece up? What fucking up? Those loans aren't going to pay themselves and privatisation is the contemporary economic practice.

57 min later 87484936 Anonymous
>>87484727 You can't privatize national debt.

58 min later 87484994 Anonymous
>>87484936 I mean privatise public businesses and assets in order to repay the debt.

1 hours later 87485327 Anonymous
>>87484994 Why would they? The debt may look huge from Greece's perspective but to a state with a GDP of over 18 trillion it would literally be a spec of dust.

1 hours later 87485419 Anonymous
>>87482825 Well the whole thing started due to greeks wanting free gibs and a party giving it out just for the votes. You guys dug your own hole to begin with.

1 hours later 87486310 Anonymous
>>87485327 >Why would they? it's already happening, it's not something that will happen https://www.hradf.com/en/

1 hours later 87486357 Anonymous
>>87486187 Right now we aren't living in a federal Europe mate.

1 hours later 87486549 Anonymous
>>87482825 Russian damage control pls leave murzilka fucking shits

1 hours later 87486843 Anonymous
>>87486357 what will be different under a federation?

1 hours later 87486934 Anonymous (pay.png 730x340 19kB)
>>87485419 do you say th same about your own debt?

1 hours later 87486976 Anonymous
>>87486934 at least we have a party that is trying to deal with it, compared to you guys just picking the next guy who tells you he will erase all debt.

1 hours later 87487051 Anonymous
governments are corrupt more news at ten

2 hours later 87487541 Anonymous
>>87486843 >Even if the budget, financial system becomes common

2 hours later 87487981 Anonymous
>>87487541 debt won't get erased

2 hours later 87488046 Anonymous
>>87487981 No, it will move up to the Federal government's level. Wouldn't be much point to federalizing otherwise.

2 hours later 87488047 Anonymous
>>87486976 your parties depend on invading random countries to keep afloat you run a deficit we run a surplus go fuck yourself pay debts

2 hours later 87488121 Anonymous
>>87488046 yes and the debt will be paid by......?

2 hours later 87489278 Anonymous
>>87488121 The Union's surplus? At that point you can easily get away without even paying them anyway, just look at the US.

2 hours later 87489433 Anonymous
>>87489278 so the union will pay itself? yeah no

4 hours later 87493269 Anonymous
>>87489433 Of course the Union would pay, how is that even a question?

4 hours later 87494763 Anonymous
>>87493269 The union will pay who? Itself? The ecb? The IMF? IMF repayments will be complete way before they federalise.

4 hours later 87494897 Anonymous (1507133509207.jpg 500x459 47kB)
>>87482825 My dear greece friend... You are posting this quite often. What do you want? What's your endgame? Abolish the only system that guaranteed long lasting peace in Europe? Do you want money? Revenge? Justice? Lay your spirits to rest.

4 hours later 87495105 Anonymous
>>87494897 >What's your endgame? Encourage more anons to speak up against the e""""u"""".

4 hours later 87495221 Anonymous
>>87495105 You want it to end? Destroy the EU? Or do you want to make it better perhaps?

4 hours later 87495309 Anonymous
>>87495221 end it

4 hours later 87495510 Anonymous (1509144445635.png 500x691 83kB)
>>87495309 Then you're the enemy, my friend. It's sad really. The EU offers so much to individuals, you could do so much more than this. But you chose to be resentful and bitter, because of things Greece has caused herself.... The old Greeks would be very disappointed in you. So am I. Idiot.

4 hours later 87495663 Anonymous
>>87495510 >The old Greeks would be very disappointed in you. So am I The ancients are resting in their graves and i didn't ask for your approval. And yes i am the enemy.

5 hours later 87495884 Anonymous
>>87495510 btw since you mentioned peace. Next time try to not rob everybody of their industry and reverse decades of progress.

5 hours later 87496173 Anonymous
>>87494763 I imagine the bailout money and regular inter-European debt would be forgiven while private loaners and banks would receive compensation. As for international debt outside of Europe it would essentially remain the same and move up to the federal government level.

5 hours later 87496301 Anonymous (Jacques-Louis-David-Der-Tod-des-Sokrates-1787.jpg 1440x680 209kB)
>>87495884 You stupid shit, I tried to have a discussion with your sorry ass, you know? Just a simple discussion, didn't try to enforce my reality onto yours. And now you adress me like I, a poor sucker living in Germany, am responsible for things I had nothing to do with. You are pathetic, no, better: You are worthless of the very air that you breathe. So, let me stoop down to your level and say, quite unironically: kys

5 hours later 87496313 Anonymous
>>87495539 If you don't follow security precautions and end up getting hurt will you blame your employer for it?

5 hours later 87496507 Anonymous
>>87496301 >And now you adress me like I, a poor sucker living in Germany, am responsible for things I had nothing to do with. >But you chose to be resentful and bitter, because of things Greece has caused herself.... ;^)

5 hours later 87496549 Anonymous (hmmmm Martin Selmayr appointment.jpg 768x1024 112kB)
>>87482920 This.

5 hours later 87496607 Anonymous
>>87496173 Greece doesn't owe to private institutions anymore, only yuro states. The debt won't be written off no matter what.

5 hours later 87496620 Anonymous
>>87496527 Autism

5 hours later 87496625 Anonymous
>>87487051 Your own government being corrupt you could deal with. Some other slags from other countries doing it and it having an influence on your country is the problem.

5 hours later 87496745 Anonymous
>>87496607 What makes you think that? I could definitely see it happening in that scenario as a political move to build up support for the Federation.

5 hours later 87496781 Anonymous
>>87496549 >>87493048

5 hours later 87496847 Anonymous
>>87496745 And give up 300+ bln yuros? No one will accept that, especially smaller cunts.

5 hours later 87497032 Anonymous
>>87496527 >germans trashed the economy of Greece *Replaces Tomatoes with Oranges in official inflation statistics* *borrows tons of "free money"* *accepts bribes* *doesn't have a land ownership registry*

5 hours later 87497228 Anonymous
>>87496847 >300+ bln yuros? No one will accept that On the continent-wide scale it's really not as much as you make it out to be. >especially smaller cunts It wouldn't affect them any more than the other countries if the budget is joined.

5 hours later 87497582 Anonymous
>>87497032 >borrows Bingo and you're getting it back, with interest. >bribes So did Siemens but noone is taking about them, are they now? >land registry Our problem, nothing concerning you.

5 hours later 87497749 Anonymous
>>87497228 300 bln is a hole in any budget. For example, they're trying to figure out who is going to cover England's contribution and that's about 50bln. Noone will accept a writting off.

5 hours later 87498425 Anonymous
>>87497749 >300 bln is a hole in any budget Even if they choose not to cover it directly with the surplus the new state would inherit, it can easily be covered with more loans. Such an economic superpower would have much more room to go into debt. >Noone will accept a writting off. Following the German union, the East ended up receiving over 2 trillion dollars in economic aid. And remember that was just West Germany alone that paid, we're talking about the whole of the EU countries here, 300bn would be nothing. People are willing to make sacrifices for ideals.

6 hours later 87498595 Anonymous
It is postponement of the problems to increase debts.

6 hours later 87499734 Anonymous
>>87497582 >doctored statistics skipped >Bank borrowed money to produce consumer credit bubble >bribes Who bribed more? Siemens or All of Greece added together? >land registry Really nothing concerning the creditors Germany should have just stayed with the contract as it was (no bailouts) though that might have been worse for everyone involved.

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