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2013-01-24 02:21 8007567 Anonymous (the-world-according-to-america-2[1].png 640x512 14kB)
I have some questions to Ameribros
>1. What's your stance on guns?
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
That's all for now, thanks for stopping by!
5 min later 8007670 Anonymous
>>8007567
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro-gun. There should be no ban on "assault weapons," since policy makers seem to come up with a good definition for them.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
I own no guns and don't plan to unless I have to move to the hood.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes, we need background checks for all purchases as well as better mental health evaluations. We also need to crack down on illegal gun trafficking better, especially by the Mexican cartels.
8 min later 8007709 Anonymous
>>8007670
What exactly are ''assault weapon''?
Do you think that it's actually feasible to implement background checks for purchases and mental health evaluations? (I mean in relation to cost-efficiency)
10 min later 8007736 Anonymous
1. I don't really care one way or another
2. Yes... a colt.45, a .22 rifle, a 9 mm handgun, and a 12 gauge shotgun.
3. Yes
12 min later 8007792 Anonymous
1) I love guns and i want to own several guns someday once i get past NY's retarded gun laws.
2)see top
3)For physcological testing needs to be done and more awareness such as NOT leaving your fucking guns everywhere unlocked while you sleep in the same house as a mentally challenged person. Apart from that then no
13 min later 8007794 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
I favor sensible regulation but otherwise do not care.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
I don't have and have never had a gun.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes, like most Americans I support a ban on high-capacity magazines and on assault-style rifles.
13 min later 8007807 Anonymous
>>8007736
Do you use those on a regular basis?
14 min later 8007836 Anonymous
>>8007807
No I do not... They were given to my by family members as gifts... I go to the shooting range maybe 2-3 times a year just for fun, but I don't use them on a regular basis at all.
14 min later 8007839 Anonymous
>>8007794
Do you feel uneasy around people open-carrying?
Also - Question to all Ameribros - how often (if ever) do you see people open carrying and how do you feel about it?
15 min later 8007866 Anonymous
>>8007567
Florida here
1. It's a more complex issue than most want to acknowledge. Many people here have grown up and enjoyed the sports-like aspect of guns (as weird as that may sound) and I myself enjoyed firing guns growing up.(My father was a little paranoid after 9-11) They're quite fun to use, and some people feel that they need them. I don't think that civilians need to carry assault weapons though, and any attempts to push aside the issue by blaming our violence and other related problems on movies and video games are a cop out.
2. I don't have any. I don't see how it's personally necessary in my life since I live in a peaceful, above average neighborhood.
3. Yes, if not immediately, then over time. We can't eliminate the issue, but we should at least try to do something about it.
16 min later 8007870 Anonymous
>>8007709
An assault weapon, as defined by the idiots, is a regular rifle with "military style" attachments, like a pistol grip, flashlight, or bayonet. This does not change the firepower of the gun at all, but somehow makes it more evil and dangerous.
As for background checks, we already have them for most legal purchases. However, some states don't require them at certain events like gun shows, which tend to attract crazies any way.
USA has shitty health care already, so you have crazy people running around without medication or any kind of mental care. Then they talk to their friends how they're going to blow up a school and everybody thinks they're joking, until they actually go and do it. Another problem is that a lot of parents are stupid and leave their guns laying out, loaded, and then their kids get them and go shoot up their school because they got bullied.
17 min later 8007900 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
I'm pro-gun. The violent crime capital of europe (London) has gun control while the lowest crime (switzerland) doesn't. All of the mass shootings here happen in places where guns are banned. Chicago (total gun ban) has terrible crime. I do believe we need mental health screenings and that the mentally ill shall not have the right to possess a gun (most if not all of the mass shooters had mentally ill background )
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Nope. I plan on getting one someday but I won't use it (just for protection)
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Restrict mentally ill, loosen gun laws in Chicago and nyc
Arizona here btw
18 min later 8007910 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
I think rifles, shotguns and pistols are useful tools for hunting and home defense. I see absolutely zero reason for civilians to have assault rifles.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
No.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes. The 2nd amendment was written in a time when it took several minutes to reload for one goddamn shot, towns could have a local militia, and communication between towns could take days in some places. It's fucking outdated as shit.
Side note: the people who say they need guns to PROTECT MYSELF FROM THE GUB'MINT are fucking morons. Not because our government is full of nice people or some shit, but because our military has reached a size and strength where if they wanted to bitch-slap us into oblivion, there's not really anything we could do at all.
18 min later 8007933 Anonymous
i strongly believe that we need real gun control.
20 min later 8007961 Anonymous
>>8007839
Every state has different laws on what kind of guns are legal, and whether you can carry openly. I have never seen somebody open carry here (Ohio), but I don't know if it's legal or not. I wouldn't care if I did see it, as long as they didn't start waving it at me.
20 min later 8007973 Anonymous
>>8007839
>Do you feel uneasy around people open-carrying?
I have never seen a person other than a police officer carrying a gun. If I saw a regular person doing it, I would honestly assume that they were a plainclothes police officer. It's just not normal where I live.
If I were in Arizona or something like that, and saw a guy strapped with a hand gun, I suppose I'd think of it as a little quaint and a little stupid.
>Also - Question to all Ameribros - how often (if ever) do you see people open carrying and how do you feel about it?
Like I said, I've never seen it.
21 min later 8007979 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Neutral
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
No, why should I?
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Not like every state has the same laws regarding guns...
21 min later 8007992 TheLoneWyoming
1.
Civil Armament is a human right. Anyone trying to add regulations should be arrested for crimes against hummanity
2.
yes I have around 42 Firearms ranging from a Vickers Machine gun to 22/45 handgun, Favorite piece is my Grandfather's Mauser from the second world war.
3.
Yes we must liberalize our gun laws and throw down illegal taxes on guns or permits for owning firearms
22 min later 8008016 Anonymous
>>8007839
>>8007900 here,
We have the loosest laws here and I've only seen open carrying twice in my life, both at walmarts.
No one open carries in non trashy areas for the most part
22 min later 8008026 Anonymous (images.jpg 261x193 8kB)
>>8007992
24 min later 8008059 Anonymous
>Stance on guns
Stricter on getting guns, but you can still own just about any kind. Only children, crazies, mental cases, and terrorists shouldn't be allowed guns.
>Do you guns?
Personally no, but I'm looking into getting a pistol for self protection and freedums.
>Change policy?
Again, less access to dangerous people, but this BAN ALL GUNZ BE LIKE YURP shit is stupid.
25 min later 8008071 Anonymous
>>8007870
That does sound rather odd, judging by your definition. I'm not an expert when it comes to guns but I don't understand how a flashlight or other attachments could make the gun more powerful or so (when it comes to raw fire power).
>>8007961
I understand ! So you haven't seen anyone open carrying during your life-time?
25 min later 8008079 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro gun
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns? Yes, 7. Mainly WW2 surplus rifles
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Background checks should include better mental health evaluations. Face to face purchases should be banned.
27 min later 8008120 Anonymous
>>8008071
I don't know shit about guns, but the laws getting passed now seem to be just about "think of the children" posturing rather than any kind of real reform. For most gun owners outside of states like New York, not much is really going to change.
And no, I have never seen anybody open carrying during my lifetime, although I wasn't really looking, and if they had something like a hand gun I could have missed it.
28 min later 8008145 Anonymous
>>8007992
Don't you think it's a bit excessive living in the middle of fucking nowhere? Sure you're a responsible gun owner and are obviously passionate about them, but is it sooooo bad that the general population (which you love to talk shit about- especially the coastals) not be trusted with that kind of shit?
I mean, a cigarette smoker could admit that it's good that the government taxes and places warnings on them.
28 min later 8008159 TheLoneWyoming
>>8007839
Nope, Lots of people open carry out here. Handguns in town or city. Rifles and shotguns when out in the wilderness
My militia friends open carry on patrols so no problems
31 min later 8008212 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro-guns.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
I have a bolt-action rifle for hunting, but no handguns or anything, and I don't plan on ever getting one.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
I think it should be left up to the states, but I also don't think banning guns would solve the mental healthcare problems that underlie all this debate either.
31 min later 8008216 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro-gun.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Two, a Maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun and a Browning Buck Mark .22 pistol.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes but I don't know how. Our mental health system is in the shitter, unfortunately. I honestly don't think requiring mental health examinations to obtain weapons will help much. I think most of the people who go on spree killings, while mentally unstable, are quite capable of getting through a head check with no problem.
31 min later 8008222 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008145
No , Me and my militia friends always find a use to do shoots and trade firearms and equipment or parts. The people on the coasts are idiots but their rights are absolute.
You want to stop deaths put warning on Fast food
32 min later 8008225 Anonymous
>>8007794
>Yes, like most Americans I support a ban on high-capacity magazines and on assault-style rifles.
But most Americans don't support those things.
Stricter laws, but no bans.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159569/americ ans-stricter-gun-laws-oppose-bans.aspx
32 min later 8008246 Anonymous
Way too complex of an issue, but I'm against gun control and agree entirely with this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCg rM
33 min later 8008254 Anonymous
>>8008149
>>8008120
>>8007973
I think open carry isn't as common as I thought it'd be then, judging by the responses ! Maybe it varies a lot in each state? or so I assume.
>>8008159
Interesting ! Where in Wyoming do you live ? (if you don't mind me asking)
Also - How easy is it to obtain a gun in your state? For example, what procedures does one have to take to obtain a gun?
35 min later 8008317 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
I'm fine with them. I understand owning a gun for hunting or for protecting one's home and family. There's no reason to own military grade weapons, though.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
I don't and I don't plan on ever purchasing one.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
I'd be fine with a national ban on automatic weapons and going through a background check before being able to purchase one. Anything we can do to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies.
36 min later 8008319 TheLoneWyoming (north-eastern-wyoming.jpg 1653x1165 329kB)
>>8008254
50 republics tend to have differing laws.
I live in Eastern Wyoming the area indicated on the map
Well that depends do you want to talk to a neighbor or get something from the store
36 min later 8008339 Anonymous
>>8008254
You'll see people in public with guns during hunting season in rural areas, but that's about it.
36 min later 8008341 Anonymous
>>8008254
Ohio non-owner here again.
I looked it up and it's actually pretty easy.
There's no need to register the firearm, and no permit is needed to purchase.
As long as you don't have a criminal record you could probably just walk into a gun store, show them your ID, and buy one.
37 min later 8008357 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008236
What is so wrong with being in a militia. You are in an unorganized militia right now .
>>8008317
Already have number three fuck sticks it's called the NFA and it's not a ban it's regulation . My full Auto toys were very fucking expensive and you aren't taking them. Also Automatic weapons have only been used twice to commit crimes by and large and one time it was a police officer who took it from his armory
37 min later 8008360 Anonymous
>>8008319
I mean acquiring a gun legally, buying it from a store.
39 min later 8008394 Anonymous
>>8008317
Also, I live in North Carolina, but I'm from the Washington, D.C. area.
40 min later 8008416 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
That's a very vague question
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Just some hunting rifles that were given to me by family
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
I guess I'd be for a better background check system, but other than that it's good as is
41 min later 8008432 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008360
No both methods are fully legal. The sale of private property is just a differant means. One the president is a dick about. The whole idea is that is the gun show loophole is a private business transaction without state interferance, Though 90% of all these sales have background checks done.
Walk into store ask to see firearm you want to buy, Have federal background check , Pay and walk out . We currently do not license you open carrying so do that all you want but conceal carry requires a permit but that will be abolished soon
44 min later 8008498 Anonymous
>>8007839
I've seen one open carry in my entire life
some old white guy walking down the street
only time I actually made the costanza face irl
45 min later 8008515 Anonymous (Rtc.gif 676x509 70kB)
Concealed carry laws have actually gotten more permissive overall.
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46 min later 8008519 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008498
Niggers like to jump and beat old people. Same with Illegals
46 min later 8008530 Anonymous
>>8008341
>>8008432
Oh, thank you very much for checking it!
Even in Ohio then, you can pretty much just walk into a store and buy a gun, that's interesting, very different from Brazil.
Also @TheLoneWyoming - Selling a firearm to another person is a very strange concept for us Brazilians (I mean buying it from another person rather than a store), that's not possible at all here, so sorry about that.
You mentioned Obama is a dick about it, but is there something he could do to affect that? Or is that a case where only the state can decide?
48 min later 8008546 Anonymous
>>8008519
you wouldn't happen to be an old white guy would you?
50 min later 8008577 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008530
It's a state by state thing but he is trying to squirm his way into private buisness.
Think of it as selling a hat or Ipod or shoes or a car. You talk to the other person you agree on a price for what you get then you exchange The person can deny you the sale at any time if they don't like you but you can get it easier. This also allows people in states where you have to be 21 to own a Handgun to exploit the rules to get around it.
50 min later 8008583 Anonymous
>>8008530
>You mentioned Obama is a dick about it, but is there something he could do to affect that?
he doesn't know what he's talking about
51 min later 8008590 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008546
No, Moderately aged white guy
51 min later 8008601 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008583
>MFW 22 illegal EOs
56 min later 8008666 Anonymous
>>8008577
I understand.
Also - In states where you're not required to register your guns, is there any ''benefit'' in doing so? or no point at all?
>>8008552
Do you think they need it because it'd help against crime, or because you believe guns should be easier to acquire (or maybe some other reason?)
1 hours later 8008736 Anonymous (20080515-aapsadu37c5ycas396u4pukff.jpg 1382x800 1225kB)
>>8007567
1 hours later 8008762 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008666
Give me 20$ and an hour and I will crank out a rifle out of my junk
There is no benefit to register your firearms and most people refuse to register, The government has no right to ask how many weapons I keep
1 hours later 8008781 Anonymous
>>8008692
I do agree that it doesn't help in decreasing crime, Brazil is an example of that.
Law abiding citizens can't protect themselves, while criminals have numerous ways to obtain guns illegally.
1 hours later 8008910 Anonymous
>>8007567
>1. What's your stance on guns?
I love them.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Yes, I own 5. I have deer hunting rifles and a WASR for hog hunting.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
It would be nice if they loosened up a little bit.
1 hours later 8008931 Anonymous (the world acording to mexicans.png 4500x2234 510kB)
1 hours later 8008936 Anonymous
>>8007794
>most Americans want to ban magazines
>not a faggot
Pick one
1 hours later 8008976 TheLoneWyoming
>>8007794
>People support magazine bans
HUEHUEHUE
1 hours later 8008986 Anonymous
1. I am anti-gun but i am also not stupid enough to ban guns entirely. what really needs to be done is to make it extremely difficult to get a license for guns.
2.
no i dont
3. yes i do
1 hours later 8009012 TheLoneWyoming
>>8008986
Well I can make a firearm out of junk in my garage. What will you do
1 hours later 8009018 Anonymous
>>8008931
haha nice map
1 hours later 8009037 Anonymous
>>8009012
You wouldn't happen to be Chechen would you?
1 hours later 8009077 Anonymous
>>8007567
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Own them. Think the laws need to be better. Think we should regulate them more heavily while not banning any of them out-right.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Mossberg 590 for painting my wall with home invaders, Deagle for sidearm, AR-15 for SHTF innawoodsry.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yeah. We should scrap the '86 automatic weapons ban and any other laws restricting the kind of guns people can own. Instead we should be heavily regulating all sales, including gun shows, have mandatory safety training, etc.
1 hours later 8009078 Anonymous (source of firearms.gif 526x489 14kB)
>1.
Pro gun, but also pro restriction on giving anything more dangerous than a single handgun or a bolt action rifle to anyone who has no training.
>2
Had a Colt revolver in the early 90's, wound up selling it before I went to Paris from '99~'03.
>3
Yes, and having one uninformed idiot going over the heads of all the other uninformed idiots and banning everything he thinks looks scary is not the way we should go about changing them.
1 hours later 8009089 Anonymous
>>8009012
depends. are you trying to murder me? or anyone? also how lethal is it?
i dont care if you can make a fire arm out of stuff in your garage i just think that we should make people take a psychology test and and take further precautions before allowing them to handle a gun that has the potential to murder alot of people
1 hours later 8009091 Anonymous (negativeliberty.png 1280x853 1560kB)
>>8007567
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro-guns.
>>2 . Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Yes, I own 4 firearms. Two Mosin-Nagants, an SKS, and a "military-style assault weapon" AKM pattern rifle.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Not at all. The states with the highest gun control have the most violent crime. Go figure.
1 hours later 8009126 Anonymous
>>8007870
>implying most gun show attendees aren't part of the reason our healthcare system is fubar
1 hours later 8009174 Anonymous
>>8009126
U wot m8?
The average age for a gun show participant here is like 25. The old dudes are the ones that are selling the guns.
I usually see about 200 people at our local show.
It drops by every month or so.
1 hours later 8009198 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009037
no but chechen migrants are good with fixing shit.
>>8009077
'86 has been smashed since 04
>>8009089
I don't plan to murder you with my machined firearms so no. Also it is more leathal then produced item because it might blow up. Also will you pay for my psychological tests and will we apply them to getting a degree in any type of science.
1 hours later 8009206 Anonymous
>>8009174
Speaking of gun shows, Americans are attending them at staggering numbers.
1 hours later 8009272 Anonymous
Thank you very much for your responses bros!
I really appreciate it, since this is a topic that I've always been interested in.
I'll bid farewell now, have a nice night ! :)
1 hours later 8009280 Anonymous
>>8009174
And they will elect politicians who will fight tooth and nail any improvement in health care policy.
1 hours later 8009316 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009280
>Forcing to buy insurance instead of subsidizing the actually sick who need it and then providing dicounted insurance to people who need it on site.
>Not subsidizing doctors to be employees to get more doctors into needed fields
Forcing people to buy a policy without increasing the amount of doctors is not improving
1 hours later 8009324 Anonymous
>>8009198
>'86 has been smashed since 04
No, '94 has been smashed since '04.
1 hours later 8009336 Anonymous
>>8009316
It sounds like you're suggesting that I think Obamacare is the solution.
1 hours later 8009344 Anonymous
>>8009280
>improvement in health care policy
Care to elaborate?
1 hours later 8009371 Anonymous
>>8007567
1.No
2.No
3.No
1 hours later 8009414 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009336
SIngle payer or subsidized doctors would have been better. The policy of forcing you to give money to a company or be taxed is wrong
1 hours later 8009436 Anonymous
1. I think they are alright. Yes they have caused a lot of problems but they will be non issues if we could ever work out our social problems and put in place proper laws to keep guns away from mentally ill.
2. I don't but my dad has several shotguns, rifles, pistols, and a sawed off shotgun.
3. Obamas executive orders were all pretty much 2 thumbs up. I don't think we need to ban assault rifles though.
1 hours later 8009446 Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeLUeLZ56 OE
/thred
1 hours later 8009447 Anonymous
>>8009344
They will shoot down basically anything that isn't almost entirely privatized but for a few handouts to insurers and drug makers.
1 hours later 8009481 Anonymous
>>8009446
The fuck is this?
1 hours later 8009487 Anonymous
>>8007567
>I'm OK with people having guns.
>No
>I don't even know the gun policies here
1 hours later 8009507 Anonymous
>>8009436
>keep guns away from mentally ill.
wow, what a terrible idea
if anything, more mentally ill people should have guns, to defend themselves from mentally ill people
arm the asylums or something
1 hours later 8009510 Anonymous
1. Should be legal but need to be harder to buy. More background checks, less loopholes. Regulate the fuck out of ammo.
2. No
3. See #1
2 hours later 8009596 Anonymous
>>8007839
Only have ever seen it with hunter walking down the road. Didn't even phase me, now if it was a black man in the city I would probably run.
2 hours later 8009615 Phil Ossiferz Stone
>>8009510
>Regulate the fuck out of ammo.
Go fuck yourself. Cars kill more people than guns do. Let's regulate gas.
2 hours later 8009660 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009510
What are these loopholes that you think exist?
Also what do you mean regulate ammo
2 hours later 8009689 Phil Ossiferz Stone
>>8009660
The ones all non gun owners think exist.
2 hours later 8009698 Anonymous
1. I believe that firearms serve a purpose of defense and whatnot; although anything built to kill 40 men from 200 yards in hurricane weather? Fuckin' nope.
2.Nawh, none of my own, and I'm staying especially far from them this year.
3.Definitely; psychiatric evaluations, written references, background checks, and Preventatives against stockpiling ammunition could serve some use.
2 hours later 8009702 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009689
Phil why did you leave /k/ anyways
2 hours later 8009703 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
I like shooting guns.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Hand-me-down pump shotgun, no idea what specifically.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
I like guns.
2 hours later 8009718 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009698
>kill 40 men from 200 yards in a hurrican
Fuck get me that guy that sounds cool
Will you pay for psychiatric consultants who must apporve 98% of the population of they are biased. Also what do you think stockpilining boxes of metal causes by the way that you are so concenered ?
2 hours later 8009719 Anonymous
>>8009615
We regulate cars pretty carefully.
2 hours later 8009736 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009719
No. You don't need special permit to buy a car, You don't need special permit to take it places you want. You don't need a special permit for a car that can drive more then ten feet without stopping. You don't have to prove you need to own a car. You don't have to have a license to use on private land. The Government cannot deny you the right to buy a car. Fun fact even charged with vechiliar manslauter and guilty of it you can own and operate a car
2 hours later 8009778 Anonymous (Waffles.jpg 2592x1944 2094kB)
1. I am pro-gun.
2. I have a 30-30 hunting rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun, and a caplock pistol. I am saving up for a handgun.
3. I think you should have to pass an official safety test before you can buy a gun, just to weed out the dumbasses. You should also have to prove that you own a gun safe before you can buy a gun.
Honestly, right now it's incredibly difficult to buy a gun. Every gun store is sold out because people think there will be a gun ban in the near future. Expect to pay triple the normal price for anything, if you can find it at all.
2 hours later 8009806 Anonymous (the-world-according-to-ronald-reagan.jpg 1567x1045 580kB)
>not posting the real thing
2 hours later 8009846 Anonymous
Why are gun-nuts so obsessed with opposing psychriatical evaluation? Do they already know they're gonna fail them?
2 hours later 8009871 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009846
Government psyches are horrible and have no intention to remain unbiased against the people
2 hours later 8009892 Anonymous
>>8009871
That's paranoia..
But I find it hard to believe you're qualified to evaluate the evaluters
2 hours later 8009919 Anonymous (1329910628561.gif 240x180 3017kB)
>>8007567
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Ban guns that do not have origin in hunting (specifically ones that are not single-shot)
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
No
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Probably. But gun policy won't change until the children of a politician are killed. Then we would see change immediately.
2 hours later 8009937 Anonymous
>>8009736
They force you to buy a license so you can drive it off the lot and they regulate various aspects of its design.
2 hours later 8009938 Anonymous
>>8009846
Well, I think it's a matter of a deeper philosophical debate honestly.
If one allows for any government regulation, than the right to arms is not absolute. To cede regulation implies that the government has some degree of control over gun ownership. To imply some control over gun ownership begs the question of how much control. It is a fear that, should one cede that the government has any say over guns, it could easily roll into much stricter controls. What was before a right becomes a privilege. And I suppose for certain Americans, it is absolutely necessary that the government fears them, not that they fear the government. The citizenry should be armed should the country ever fall away from its democratic principles.
Not that I support the argument. Just stating what I believe the thrust of it is. Americans can be very particular about disliking government influence in their lives. While we are certainly divided, a fairly clear majority of Americans would actually prefer a smaller government. It's just that Republicans stink up the place so much with the religious bigotry that it becomes hard to support them. If I'm a person who wants less government, but also includes tolerance of gays among what makes a smaller government, how can I vote Republican?
2 hours later 8009941 Anonymous
>>8007839
I've never seen anyone open-carry.
In fact, the only gun I've seen in my entire life was a handgun a cousin kept locked away in a box (to occasionally go to a shooting range). I've never seen a gun fired.
I always find it weird when foreigners think of Americans as gun nuts. I'd wager that most Americans have nothing to do with firearms.
2 hours later 8009942 Anonymous
>>8009846
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_ex periment
"The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" (three women and five men) who briefly simulated auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 different psychiatric hospitals in five different States in various locations in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they felt fine and had not experienced any more hallucinations. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release. The average time that the patients spent in the hospital was 19 days. All but one were diagnosed with schizophrenia "in remission" before their release. The second part of his study involved an offended hospital challenging Rosenhan to send pseudopatients to its facility, whom its staff would then detect. Rosenhan agreed and in the following weeks out of 193 new patients the staff identified 41 as potential pseudopatients, with 19 of these receiving suspicion from at least 1 psychiatrist and 1 other staff member. In fact Rosenhan had sent no one to the hospital."
2 hours later 8009952 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009892
Okay. Lets say this advisor just dosen't like you or like that you just want to buy a firearm. They brand you a no go then you have to go through hyper bloated channels to set up your next eval after whatever the waiting period is
This is counter to the well Regulated militia.
2 hours later 8009957 Anonymous
>>8007870
40% of all gun purchases occur at gun shows. Gun shows famously do not commonly check for licenses or backgrounds.
We need to reign those in, definitely. 40% is huge.
2 hours later 8009959 Anonymous
>>8009938
Don't believe for a secound that rights are absolute. After all, without a goverment to enforce them they don't mean jack shit.
2 hours later 8009963 Anonymous (ban me you fucking faggot.gif 500x375 246kB)
>>8007567
1. What's your stance on guns?
Neutral, guns are strictly a numbers problem, there's no real room for emotional decisions, and I don't have the numbers behind the effectiveness of gun control so I remain neutral.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
no
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
see my answer to 1
2 hours later 8009989 Anonymous
>>8009778
>Every gun store is sold out because people think there will be a gun ban in the near future.
>implying that is not the exact reason the NRA/industry merchants push this hysteria
2 hours later 8009990 Anonymous (absurd.gif 300x168 638kB)
>>8008515
illinois, the only logic in a sea of idiocy
2 hours later 8010003 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009959
See there is where our nations differ. Our rights are absolute and cannot be violated. The Government recognizes theses rights and swears not to bother them. Without a government we would not be disbarred the rights that are being violated.
>>8009957
Citation please. Also how many gunshows have you been too
2 hours later 8010008 Anonymous
>>8009919
>Ban guns that do not have origin in hunting (specifically ones that are not single-shot)
like 90+% of guns are single shot, you can hunt with most rifles
the only ones that are not are those wacky antique guns from the 18th/19th century that reside in the homes of collectors and historical museums(true volleyguns and double barrels)
2 hours later 8010022 TheLoneWyoming
>>8009990
>The Peoples African Obalst of chicago
>Honest or logical
They produced Obama that is enough proof they can't think right
>>8009989
Dosen't matter much for the hype, I have enough stockpiled ammo and made a killing selling a bunch of "Scary assault Rifles " to people
2 hours later 8010028 Anonymous
>>8009806
>implying Soviets were not Godless Communists, liars, and spies.
2 hours later 8010032 Phil Ossiferz Stone
>>8009957
You're full of shit. Post your source.
2 hours later 8010045 Phil Ossiferz Stone (sheep.jpg 500x500 157kB)
>>8009959
Spoken like a true Eurofaggot. Pic related, it's you.
2 hours later 8010046 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010032
Well phil dont'cha know that gunshows don't have checkers at the door who look at ID and people who check you as you go
2 hours later 8010048 Anonymous
>>8010003
Your rights are only absolute as long as the state says they are. It's all very relative
2 hours later 8010067 Anonymous (1346258899565.gif 299x266 765kB)
>>8010022
>illinois
>produce Obama
>not Hawaii
IL also has the average amount (~14%) of blacks as the US does. If anything is an "Africa Oblast," it's the South.
2 hours later 8010071 Anonymous
>>8009989
Obama is the one causing the gun rush.
The NRA is saying the ban won't pass.
Look at the idiotic bill that people like Fienstien are pushing for that would pretty much ban everything.
They should name her gun salesman of the year.
2 hours later 8010073 Anonymous
>>8007567
1. its a right that should not be infringed
2. yes, shotguns handguns rifles. .308, .3006, 12 gauge and 9mm
3. mental evaluation
2 hours later 8010078 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010048
That is a reason for guns. If they try to violate the rights I ventilate their skulls.Very simple understanding
2 hours later 8010095 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010067
That is why I said the African Oblast of Chicago with gerryrigged districts to ensure Black power.
Illinois produced the corrupt fuck as a politicians not Hawaii
2 hours later 8010103 Anonymous
>>8010078
And how do they retaliate?
2 hours later 8010131 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010103
What do you mean retaliate. They don't violate our rights we don't kill them. It's a simple process that has worked well for the republic
2 hours later 8010132 Anonymous (kill everyone.gif 500x281 2821kB)
>>8010103
drones and tanks. Obviously Mr. Wyoming is going to hold them off.
Yep.
2 hours later 8010154 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010132
It's great all those drones and tanks will go door to door to confiscate firearms and arrest people. You do know the whole police state require the police. Also US forces would desert rather then shoot on US citizens, if you forgot our military more then anyone are super for the Rights of the nation.
2 hours later 8010165 Anonymous
>>8010131
Except your rights has constantly been "violated" and altered. Not too long ago it was considered a right not to be exposed by alcohol. 18th amendment!
2 hours later 8010166 Anonymous
>>8010154
waco, tx
2 hours later 8010184 Anonymous
>>8010154
>Also US forces would desert rather then shoot on US citizens
Yeah, because that's what happened in the civil war...
2 hours later 8010185 南京大虐殺
>>8010154
>Also US forces would desert rather then shoot on US citizens,
lil
>It's great all those drones and tanks will go door to door to confiscate firearms and arrest people
what happens when it comes time to use those weapons cowboy?
those drones and tanks are going to turn you into paste along with your childish hero fantasies
2 hours later 8010217 Anonymous
Ok, I just gotta say, every time someone says "pro-gun" I cringe. It doesn't make any sense. It's like saying pro-baseball bat. It's an oversimplification of an issue to the point where any time you answer the question "What is your stance on guns?" a follow-up explanation is mandatory.
Anywho, I'm in favor of stricter gun control laws because you really don't need to own a semi-automatic weapon. One shot's all it would take to kill someone, and if you're buying guns capable of putting out multiple rounds a second, the only thing you're going to do with that is kill. If you want something for home defense, a shotgun will do ya fine, and a revolver works if you need something on your person. Bolt action rifles are fine. Everything else is just an accident waiting to happen. I don't own any guns, but I plan on being a collector once I have a solid financial footing for it. I enjoy shooting and love going to ranges.
I also love Switzerland's open carry and Everyone-Spends-A-Year-In-The-Army thing. I could see it working here if we unfucked our mental health system. Kind of an all or nothing approach; either ban most modern weapons like I said, or let everyone in the country get their hands on one and then train them how to use them.
2 hours later 8010230 Anonymous
>>8010166
And then a former solider retaliated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Ci ty
People's distrust of federal law enforcement really went up after Waco and Ruby Ridge.
2 hours later 8010238 Anonymous
>>8010071
>The NRA is saying the ban won't pass.
While they and other industry groups also support people
who are telling people to stock up.
>Look at the idiotic bill that people like Fienstien are pushing for that would pretty much ban everything. They should name her gun salesman of the year.
You're beginning to understand. Her campaigns are funded by 5 of Pentagon's favorite contractors, and, of course, the nation's #1 gun retailer.
2 hours later 8010248 Anonymous
>>8010230
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Ci ty_bombing
lel wrong link
2 hours later 8010249 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010185
Then i become a martyr for the revolution and the American public takes up shooting. Also drones are easy to spoof and hide from
>>8010184
Yes we had massive desertion from the Ranks of the US army. Our best officer and entire battalions marched south for the war. It protected a 6 year war nearly killing half a million soldiers.
>>8010166
>Isolated people vs towns and cities
>>8010165
And was repealed it proof our process worked
>>8010217
You do know semi-Automatic means a trigger pull a pop right
2 hours later 8010257 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010185
Also have fun using tanks to control a major city.
2 hours later 8010258 Anonymous
>>8010165
...
The fact that our Constitution can be updated and changed by citizens is one of the most treasured parts of the Republic. The Prohibition on Alcohol is one of the best examples of something that virtually all Americans would gladly use their guns to protect. That whole story (behind the amendment and its repeal) is America personified.
There's a difference between changing the law and ignoring it.
2 hours later 8010264 Anonymous
I agree with the Second Amendment.
I do not own any firearms.
To some extent. A comprehensive national database for gun registration would be a good start. I am however torn on allowing the government access to peoples private medical files even if I believe it to be necessary.
Story of a police officer with 25 years on the force who lost his job when he lost his CCW/CPL after it surfaced that he received psychiatric care for depression when he was in his late teens.
2 hours later 8010266 Anonymous
>>8010249
But if the 18th amendment wasn't absolute, what makes you think the second is?
2 hours later 8010283 南京大虐殺
>>8010257
the murrikans did it
2 hours later 8010288 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010264
No database of gun names. I will not register firearms and will subvert it activley if you try
>>8010266
We voted to make it not absolute. The right to remove the right is aboslute.
2 hours later 8010289 Anonymous
>>8009959
....
This is why I don't like Sweden. Your government has destroyed your ability to understand Freedom.
2 hours later 8010294 Anonymous
>>8010249 (the semi-auto point)
Yeah, I do. And yeah, I do want a ban on everything post-WWII, essentially.
2 hours later 8010308 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010283
No we control cities by flooding them with troopers and Public affairs and humvees and tanks to support them along with artilery and jets. With only your tanks and jets you cannot control a city. You need soldiers to take the ground and root our resistance
2 hours later 8010317 Anonymous
>>8010264
>A comprehensive national database for gun registration would be a good start.
This is an insanely bad idea.
Even Canada realized it was a retarded waste of time and resources.
2 hours later 8010318 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010294
So my full Auto Vickers machine gun produced for World War One will still shoot. Also what is the logic with that.
2 hours later 8010326 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Constitutional right which means any gun laws must not violate the constitution. Simply arguing "You don't need it." is not enough legal justification for you to ban a weapon out right as the burden of proof is on you to restrict it (crime data, etc).
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
None, though I have shot a few.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes, having background checks when reasonable possible (such as gun shows) and restricting ownership from those who are deemed mentally ill. Allowing for, at minimum, concealed carry and removal of gun free zones in areas not deemed "emotionally charged" (Think a courtroom). I think a lot of energy is wasted on banning ownership of weapons since the genie is already out of the bottle (270 million guns exist in the US). A gun ban only works if there is no supply and you would have to remove the guns already. If banning weapons is illegal (to me at least), seizing guns already owned most certainly is (grandfather clause in the Constitution). I worry that a lot of police are gonna get killed in New York if they go around seizing weapons.
Addressing the mental health issues of a person will stop mass shootings. Banning certain guns limits the kill count at best. Even this issue is nothing compared to single homicides between two people. That is harder to address because it is a cultural thing.
2 hours later 8010338 Anonymous
>>8010289
No, it's you and your "muh freedum" that distorts it. Freedom is pretty much an illusion. Without regulations and rules, there is no stopping a war-mongerer to rule over you instead.
Except your precious gun, but I doubt it will do much against a warlord and his three hundred henchmen
2 hours later 8010339 Anonymous
>>8010266
It required another amendment to remove it. The law was physically changed. The second amendment remains on the books; the question is in how to apply it. That's why there's a debate around it. If it were repealed, then conceivably Congress could pass a law outright banning all firearms in the USA. When Prohibition was the law, it had very explicit wording, making it a pretty straightforward amendment.
You might enjoy taking a US Constitutional History class if you can find a university nearby or can get a class online. It's a really interesting field.
2 hours later 8010345 Anonymous
>>8010288
...and if people vote to regulate guns?
2 hours later 8010352 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010326
We do have background checks at gunshows and you are checked on entering. Also we have 270 million registered firearms that qual as firearms. We have around another 300 Million unregistered and old firearms. Also there are 9 states promising the nullification of the federal Government if any ban occurs.
2 hours later 8010372 Anonymous
>>8010318
What are you going to do, set it up in the back of a truck and drive around firing it? Those things required teams of people to handle and are pretty noticeable and hard to conceal.
My logic with that is that I want a reduction in killing capacity for the average person out on the street. The ability to fire fewer rounds in a short time frame (meaning the time frame it takes for police to respond) means fewer casualties from incidents.
2 hours later 8010379 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010345
They can't. You do not violate the rights. You must conveen the convention to discuss the rights and must have 2/3 or 75% of everyone to agree to bring it up. Then 75% of all people in the states must agree to it. Then it must go to president to be approved.
>>8010338
My vickers has a nice long belt with shiny bullets inside let them come for a visit. I will recreate the somme
2 hours later 8010394 Anonymous
>>8010345
That would require a super-majority. There are three pathways to add amendments, and only one way is ever really used. That one being the supermajority (I believe 66%) in the Congress.
Though you can also get it passed with 75% of the states approving it themselves. And I think the third way is to call a constitutional convention. But that has NEVER been done. Because a constitutional convention can fuck up our entire constitution to their whim.
2 hours later 8010397 Anonymous
>>8010352
There are some states that don't. I don't make it out to be a big issue, but something where it is reasonable and practical to screen out a person with a felony or mentally ill. A "gun show" with only 5 people wouldn't make sense.
2 hours later 8010405 Anonymous
>>8010379
Oh please. You think you're such a fucking cowboy. You really think you can shoot your way out of every situation?
2 hours later 8010414 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010372
Police are more likely to shoot the bystanders then the perp you know. Also they have no reason to come their job is to ensure property is protected not people.
Also hell load it up on truck drive in and pull. Also how will you take the semis I do own.
I would agree to a semi-auto ban if the military and police were banned from having any firearms,bomb, naval ships, warplanes. special forces units. Give me all that and I will disarm to bolt weapons
2 hours later 8010421 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010405
300 dudes and a warlord coming up the path to my house. The proper response is to cut right across them with a machine gun at 1000 yards. Why choose such a stupid example
2 hours later 8010430 Anonymous
>>8010338
>Freedom is pretty much an illusion
You
Fucking
Swede
3 hours later 8010439 Anonymous
>>8010421
Yeah, because you're invincible...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2% 80%93Kruger_effect
3 hours later 8010441 Anonymous
>>8010345
Being a Constitutional right, a simple majority vote won't be enough. You have to go above and beyond and fellow the Constitutional admendment process to change it. It prevents a mob from changing something easily that is critical to maintaining citizen's control over the government.
3 hours later 8010448 Anonymous
>>8010430
Go to Africa and explain about freedom then. I'm sure that's what they need more of
3 hours later 8010468 Anonymous
>>8010414
...
"If the military has to use bows and arrows, pikes, and swords, I'll take bolt-action rifles."
What?
3 hours later 8010471 Anonymous
>>8010421
Agreed. I may not take them all out, but I'll take out a few. It would suck to be the guys to get killed, but it was their choice.
3 hours later 8010474 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010439
My options are either let 300 men and a warlord come to my home , rob me , rape and murder my girlfriends and dogs and kill me after forcing me to watch.
Or
Mow them down as they cross within firing distance. They will have Ars mostly I have vickers
Vickers is 1000yrds
ARs are 600-700 at best and a nice thick steel plate will do wonders for helping me
3 hours later 8010481 PuRiAmDu
>1. What's your stance on guns?
It's a right that ought to be protected
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
No, I want guns though.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes, you should need to do some paperwork to sell guns, not just walk into a guns show and give it to the first bozo with $300.
3 hours later 8010484 Anonymous
>>8010448
What Africa needs is a government to protect its citizens.
That's the entire point of government. It doesn't 'give' you freedom, or rights, it simply protects its citizens from others that would infringe on said freedom and rights.
3 hours later 8010486 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010468
Citizens must be able to exterminate the army
>>8010448
Africa is shitty because they refused colonialism
3 hours later 8010496 Anonymous
1. I think background checks and smaller ammo clips should be passed but i enjoy shooting guns and owning
2. I own a .22 riffle and a .30 Winchester
3. Yes we need better gun polocies
3 hours later 8010499 Anonymous
>>8010474
How can you know on forehand what weapons they will use...
3 hours later 8010502 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro gun. I was anti-gun, but now i understand and identify with the pro gun arguments
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
no. not our culture here
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
don;t know. maybe not.
3 hours later 8010508 Anonymous
ITT: Murrika gets trolled by Sweden
3 hours later 8010510 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010496
And what will banning 'clips' do I use magazines and belts
3 hours later 8010522 Anonymous
>>8009959
>implying rights aren't given by God at our creation
If government is the source of your rights, then there's no such thing as right.
People have rights because they are people
and government exists to protect those rights. If the government is inadequate it is the obligation of the people to rectify that.
3 hours later 8010524 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010499
Most likely and if not I can still improvise. People in an open field walking up to a defended location with a machine gun tend to die very very fast.
>>8010508
He isn't trolling I respond and he keeps making up ideas to justify things
3 hours later 8010531 Anonymous
>>8010486
>Citizens must be able to exterminate the army
I think the train to imaginationland has arrived.
>>8010484
Rights aren't natural...
>inb4 muh 18th century philosopher!
3 hours later 8010536 Anonymous (1357267508503.png 242x196 119kB)
>>8007794
>I feel this way so everyone else probably does too
I live in Francisco and most people I know believe you should be able to get a gun after a background check
I don't currently own a gun but, ill probably buy one in the near future
3 hours later 8010537 Anonymous
>>8010486
we will never be able to exterminate our army. ammo capacity or rifle bans wont change that
3 hours later 8010539 Anonymous
>>8010531
>rights aren't natural
Welp, I'm out. Goodbye thread, goodbye fellow Murrikas, goodbye everyone that isn't Swedish
3 hours later 8010541 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010531
Rights were given by creation. By being born you have these rights,
you do relieze if even 3% of gunowners in the US decided it was time to rebel we would have a field army larger then the United states entire armed forced. If 10% of us rose we would have an army greater then the top twenty armed forced on the planet.
3 hours later 8010542 Anonymous
>>8010522
If God is your source of rights, then they hardly exist either.
3 hours later 8010544 Anonymous
after seeing these sandy hook hoax videos I almost wanted to put on my tin foil hat.
I say you should probably hold on to your guns for a little longer...
3 hours later 8010549 Anonymous (Imported from camera 20130121-1853.jpg 686x515 105kB)
>>8007567
>1. What's your stance on guns?
I love them, yet I also love freedom.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Yes, 7 or some, pistols, rifles, shotguns.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes, ban private to private sales.
Pic related, the cop sweeping baby killing being cleaned.
3 hours later 8010550 Anonymous
>>8010541
People weren't "created"...
3 hours later 8010554 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010536
Shut the fuck up and go die. Take Fienstien with you. NO AWB no Restrictions or the union will dissolve
>>8010537
If all they had were pikes and swords they would fall.
Also 10% of gun owners saying fuck the army would crush them
3 hours later 8010555 Anonymous
>>8010550
DON'T GO THERE
3 hours later 8010561 Anonymous (merica.jpg 2592x1728 1063kB)
>>8007567
1. a useful tool for many things, i grew up around them and was taught how to use them safely from a young age.
2. yes
3. yes, but not by out right banning them. all but one of the mass shootings since columbine were illegally aquired weapons in a gun free zone
3 hours later 8010562 Anonymous
>>8010550
So babies aren't created when people fuck?
Then how are there babies?
3 hours later 8010568 Anonymous
>>8007567
>no Yucatan Peninsula on that map
Don't you know gringos love Cancun?
3 hours later 8010575 Anonymous (yovato.jpg 900x604 70kB)
>>8010568
3 hours later 8010576 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010544
Like I would put it down.
>>8010550
Of course you were. The biological fission of materials created you. Through the glorious creation you were formed and born. Being a freeborn man you have these rights that no one may deny of you
>>8010542
Weather a god exists is irrelevant to the point. Our rights come from above the government.
>>8010549
>Ban Private sales
Well I should agree that we ban all comerce between people. Food, Gas , cars. Lets just ban it all
3 hours later 8010577 Anonymous
>>8010550
Created, 'formed', whatever.
Sentient beings have rights. Deal with it. Doesn't matter where they come from or what they've done, rights are an intrinsic part of being self aware.
3 hours later 8010583 Anonymous
>>8010550
>>8010555
The ideal is that not that your were given your rights by a "creator" but people are born with rights, as in to say by the simple fact that you're alive, you have these rights, you don't have to wait for some government to give them to you.
The reason "one nation under god" is part of our pledge is not because we're overly religious, but because we believe our rights are an intrinsic thing, in comparison to our evil commie rival at the time, the USSR.
3 hours later 8010585 Anonymous
>>8010288
>>8010266
The first ten amendments cannot be repealed.
It's called the bill of rights.
3 hours later 8010588 Anonymous
>>8010562
No, that's not "created". Created is when you artificially make something.
But how rights can come from two people fucking each other, I do not know
3 hours later 8010589 Anonymous
>>8010549
>ban private sales
how about you give that baby killer a blowjob?
3 hours later 8010601 Anonymous
>>8010588
Right, and they artificially made the baby by fusing sperm and egg.
Thus, they created a baby.
3 hours later 8010604 Anonymous
>no such thing as natural rights
>government can just make up your rights and take them from you as it pleases
This is what atheism does to the world.
The Government of the USA operates under the understanding that humans have rights because they are human, not because the government gives them rights.
remove smörgåsbord
3 hours later 8010605 Anonymous
>>8010577
Of course they have rights.. But the present rights we in the western world uses stems form the age of enlightment. Before that, "rights" were not "given at birth" to people
3 hours later 8010608 Anonymous
>>8010589
Why do you think that's such a bad thing to change? I mean it's more incontinent, but it would cut down on crime.
I'l also for re-opening the NFA registry .
3 hours later 8010609 Anonymous (ulf karlsson.png 546x320 43kB)
>>8010588
this thread is about murica, go find a thread about gender equality or something
captcha: leaders currUSA
3 hours later 8010611 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010588
No. I can create bread by mixing materials. Dosen't make it not bread
3 hours later 8010612 Anonymous
>>8010601
There's a difference between artificial and natural. Rights are artificial, babies are natural creations
3 hours later 8010614 Anonymous
Can someone link me to the " Sandy Hoax" videos previously stated in this thread?
3 hours later 8010621 Anonymous
>>8010608
>but it would cut down on crime.
because criminals would obey the law, amiright
3 hours later 8010629 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010605
And we were enlightened and looked on the face of the creator.
>>8010608
Yes, almost no crime occurs via private sales. Also did you ever live under the registry. Idiotic little buerocrat says you paperwork is back logged because not enough people to process.
it should never return and ATF should be dissolved and agents arrested
3 hours later 8010633 Anonymous
>>8010614
Indeed i can friend
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controvers y?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DWx9GxXYKx_8
I don't wanna believe the facts are all correct but it's interesting
3 hours later 8010634 Anonymous
>>8010605
As previously stated, rights are not given. They are intrinsic to sentience.
People before the enlightenment had rights, they were just unaware that they did.
That's why it's called the 'Enlightenment', and not 'That time we just decided to start giving people rights for no reason'.
3 hours later 8010637 Anonymous (images.jpg 279x181 19kB)
>>8010502
LA Riots - Armed store owners deter rioters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCiC6qTt js
personally I think this case is inspiring. I used to imagine pro-gun people are white people or ranch owners or something--whom I thought to be resonable too, just feel less familiar with--but some pro-gun people remind me with this case.
And I think this piece of history is informing. It reminds me that we Han chinese people also used to have our arms and militia. this is what society is about.
3 hours later 8010639 Anonymous
>>8010629
Who is the creator you're refering to?
3 hours later 8010642 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010612
Rights are natural , baby is natural . Here is where our people differ again. We would rather live on our feet then die on our knees
3 hours later 8010643 Anonymous
>>8010612
>babies are natural creations
>creations
But I thought you said they aren't created?
3 hours later 8010647 Anonymous
>>8010633
thanks dude
i did not expect it to have 11 million views
3 hours later 8010652 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010639
Sentience
>>8010637
I have friends who were on their stores all the way back then
3 hours later 8010655 Anonymous
>>8010634
>People before the enlightenment had rights, they were just unaware that they did.
That's the most falsifiable sentence I've heard all week.
3 hours later 8010656 Anonymous
>>8010639
God, the laws of physics, whatever. Doesn't matter, actually.
3 hours later 8010658 Anonymous
>>8010637
However i do think the mental health and illness issue is complicated. I got no answer for that.
3 hours later 8010659 Anonymous
>>8007567
1. One of the huge reasons this country sucks enormous cock
2. No
3. Yes but it will never happen, anyone who is stupid enough to think the black guy-led gubment is gonna even try to touch crazy whitey's guns is retarded.
3 hours later 8010666 Anonymous
>>8010637
those store owners are famous on /k/, they look to them as brave men fighting off hoardes of niggers during the la riots
3 hours later 8010667 Anonymous
>>8010639
The point is that the cast majority of our population thinks there is a god.
The vast majority of our citizens also see the govt. as somewhat disposable, a tool that can be destroyed and remade in whatever way it is most useful,
3 hours later 8010668 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010647
Some polls state a creeping growth of people thinking it was false attack for the president to try to steal guns away the same way he tried to use Mr.Zimmerman defending himself
3 hours later 8010672 Anonymous
>>8009698
written references really?
do you want people to have to go a doctors note saying that they're not likely to go on a rampage?
3 hours later 8010674 Anonymous (EFW.png 863x1110 171kB)
>>8010448
Well, yeah actually. Africa does suffer from a lack of freedom...
Freedom isn't a bad thing. I'm not even pro-gun. But I do like freedom still.
3 hours later 8010682 Anonymous
>>8010643
Not in the same way rights are.
Rights are an artificial creation, babies are natural. Cats can have babies too, but as far as I know they don't have the same rights. Which is logical since rights were made by man for man
3 hours later 8010685 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010667
The president kneels to the citizen.Not the other way
>>8010659
Cali go home
3 hours later 8010687 Anonymous
>>8010612
If rights are artificial...
Suppose I find an undiscovered island, outside the jurisdiction of any nation
and I find on it a society where killing members of another tribe is not considered wrong
So, I proceed to kill all of the inhabitants.
Have I done something wrong? Have I violated no person's right's? I have broken no artificially made law.
3 hours later 8010692 Anonymous
>>8010659
you are free to move out, faggot
>guise, having drugs illegal is just illogical
>OH MA GAWD BAN THOSE GUNZ THEY KEEL PEOPLE
what about eric holder and obama supplying the cartel with weapons?
3 hours later 8010694 Anonymous
>>8010682
Cats aren't considered to be sentient by most people.
If they were, and could be proven as such, then we would be forced to admit that cats have rights.
3 hours later 8010695 Anonymous
>>8007910
>What is Taliban
If the military can't even fight off those fucks, what makes you think that they would have the willpower and the actual ability to fight american citizens?
>Implying the military and national guard isn't filled with crazy rednecks and gun nuts.
3 hours later 8010700 Anonymous
>>8009919
Probably. But gun policy won't change until the children of a politician are killed. Then we would see change immediately.
>not likely this will happen considering politicians children are usually guarded by people with guns
3 hours later 8010701 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010682
We are Sentient
3 hours later 8010709 Anonymous
>>8010687
That's your morality, and is a product of 300 years of western cultural influence.
But Colombus didn't seem to bother when he killed of the inhabitant on Hispaniola
3 hours later 8010715 Anonymous (muricaa.jpg 1000x912 191kB)
>>8007910
>implying the military wouldn't join our side
oh, i think we'd do alright
3 hours later 8010722 Anonymous
>>8010694
Most mammals are sentinent. I don't think I've ever heard a biologist say the opposite of that
3 hours later 8010725 Anonymous
>>8010709
Answer the questions, they are 'yes or no' questions.
3 hours later 8010729 Anonymous
>>8010709
So when Columbus killed those people it wasn't wrong?
Well, I'm glad Hitler killing all those Jews wasn't wrong, because he didn't believe it was.
3 hours later 8010732 Anonymous
>>8010687
It's called cultural relativism
3 hours later 8010738 Anonymous
>>8010668
They state in the video that these "plans" have existed in the U,S to create fake terrorist attacks blaming, Cuba, i think it was.
The president didn't let it happen though.
There was at least an article about it on wikipedia.
3 hours later 8010742 Anonymous
>>8010732
>cultural relativism
Ohboyherewego.png
3 hours later 8010752 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010722
No Sentience is our state. I would value the opinion of gorilla that can sign though KOKO seemed to have a good head on things .But other animals have not become sentient at our level, our ancestors were sentient but not to our point
3 hours later 8010756 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010738
Operation Northwinds.
3 hours later 8010759 Anonymous (lolsweeds.png 1006x385 482kB)
>>8010752
why are you arguing with swedes?
3 hours later 8010765 Anonymous
>>8010725
That's not a yes or no kind of question. It's wrong in my eyes, but in others it's not wrong. So clearly it's relative
3 hours later 8010767 Anonymous
>>8010759
its debating calm down
3 hours later 8010775 Anonymous
>>8010756
Yes, but northwoods actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_N orthwoods
Everything is a possibility, especially in times like these..
3 hours later 8010781 Anonymous
>>8010752
But they are sentinent. Just because we're more intelligent, it doesn't mean we're the only sentinent life form on the planet
3 hours later 8010793 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010775
This president is an enemy of the American people voted in by Racist and he supports the terrorists that attack up. It is calming to know he faces impeachment
3 hours later 8010796 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010781
We have achieved true sentience. They are sentient without sentience
3 hours later 8010803 Anonymous
>>8010765
So if you and your friend see someone run over your friend's mom with their truck, but the driver didn't, they did not objectively run over your friend's mom, but rather whether or not they ran over said maternal parent is 'relative'?
3 hours later 8010806 Anonymous
Jesus Christ!
Sentient means "smart enough to be considered a person"
like in science fiction
>>8010765
>moral relativism
I should've seen it coming.
Enjoy struggling to find meaning in your life while rejecting Christ's embrace
3 hours later 8010809 Anonymous
>>8010775
Shit like that is pretty common, it's pretty known that our government knew that 9/11 was going to happen before it did, even russian intelligence warned our government about it ahead of time
>>8010793
bush was no better
3 hours later 8010813 Anonymous
>>8010803
What? What does that have to do with morality?
>>8010796
Now you're just making up words
3 hours later 8010818 Anonymous
>>8010742
What my Swedish compatriot is trying to say is that rights are subjectively constructed (along with morals) by certain humans and that there's no "natural law" that dictates what's right and what's not. It's only a "natural law" to the societies who submit to these ideas.
3 hours later 8010822 Anonymous
>>8010806
>implying I need Christ when I have liberty and the constitution
3 hours later 8010829 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010809
We knew something like it was bound to happen. Law of averages.
Also regardless of bush being worse or better Obama but be impeached
3 hours later 8010832 Anonymous
For someone who spouts off about cultural relativism you sure do a lot of judging.
I've always felt the role of cultural relativism was to not judge the person based upon their actions without taking into account their culture.
3 hours later 8010841 Anonymous
>>8010818
Ah, I see. It sounded like he was implying that people should accept cultures with different moral values than them, even if said values are inherently opposed to your own.
That would be silly.
3 hours later 8010846 Anonymous
>>8010829
bush and his people knew it was going to happen and they let it, because they wanted to go to war. they let american people die so they could go to war
3 hours later 8010850 Anonymous
>>8010841
I have no idea how you interpret me that way.
3 hours later 8010873 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010846
Still regardles, If something is going to happen almost impossible to stop something like ti from happeneing. If you want we can blame everyone back to Wilson for involving us across the seas
3 hours later 8010874 Anonymous
>>8010822
As long as you know that you had your rights at birth and the government isn't free to just take them from you, I don't care. Although, I hope you do come to know God as I do.
3 hours later 8010877 Anonymous
>>8010829
>>8010793
P-p-peaches?
3 hours later 8010904 Anonymous
>>8010873
i don't really think it was impossible to stop...especially since the russians picked up on it and warned our government about it before hand. whether they set it up i don't know, but they sure did want it to happen. bush didn't get impeached over it, as much as i dislike obama i doubt he will get impeached aswell
3 hours later 8010906 Anonymous
>>8010832
Relativism is just an analytical tool. It's not supposed to be used to justify someone's actions. Of course something can be morally wrong from my or your relative standpoint.
The same thing applies to concepts like cultural marxism and other misinterpreted terms /pol/ likes to use. Neocons have managed to completely discredit that term by associating it with completely unrelated shit.
3 hours later 8010907 Anonymous
>>8007567
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro-gun
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
Putin is scared shitless of me, so it's illegal for me to have one.
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
Yes, cut all the ban-guns bullshit. Don't let the government prohibit the military rifles, murricans. They are the only thing left to help you actually protect yourselves from the oppressors.
Most of the shootings happen with handguns anyway.
3 hours later 8010927 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010904
No impossible for another terroist attack to have not happened. Someone would have started it. Obama activly aids Al-Qudea and radical members of His Islamic faith. He also let our ambassador die in Libya and has not yet avenged his death by destroying the city of benghazi in Stevens memory
3 hours later 8010941 Anonymous
>>8010927
godamnit, there you go again
3 hours later 8010961 Anonymous
1.
bretty cool
2.
No
3.
No, every western country shouldn't have the same fucking laws, quit supporting anti gun legislature faggots.
3 hours later 8010965 Anonymous
>>8010874
>God
I think most of us swedes would want god to exist but it's so out of our minds to start believing in it.
It's like someone wanting you to start believing in .. hinduism for example
3 hours later 8010988 TheLoneWyoming
>>8010941
The city of Bengazhi is not a Radioactive ruin. This alone shows this president to be a traitor and his stances on gun shows him to be a counter-Revolutionary. He must be brought up on charges for denying aid the stevens
3 hours later 8011012 Anonymous
>>8010961
Those "faggots" being society in general
3 hours later 8011015 Anonymous
(Murrikafag living abroad)
>>8007567
1. Extremely anti-gun. There's no good reason for anyone to own shit unless they're a hunter/sportsman and even then they should be tightly regulated.
2. I don't, some members of my family are hunters and do.
3. Absolutely need to clamp down on that shit.
3 hours later 8011072 Anonymous
>>8010988
you were doing good not shit posting, i think i found what turns you to it though
3 hours later 8011095 Anonymous
>>8011015
stay gone, you faggot
4 hours later 8011134 Anonymous
>>8011012
mostly just liberal beta men
>legalize weed, prohibition don't work!
>ban guns!
that's some logic, bro
4 hours later 8011161 Anonymous
>1. What's your stance on guns?
Pro-gun and in favour of background checks and regulations on obtaining guns.
>2. Do you have guns? If yes, how many and which type of guns?
I own a SIG Sauer P226 and a Swedish AK4
>3. Do you think 'Merika needs to change its gun policy(ies)?
I dont really honestly care about american gun politics.
8 hours later 8013603 南京大虐殺
>>8010421
>implying they'd just walk up to you
>implying you'd even be able to shoot them with the collective fire of 300 people pinning you down
these hero fantasies are childish and idiotic
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