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2012-10-29 11:29 6486625 Anonymous (1307156936050s.jpg 250x251 12kB)
Do people in your country pay taxes to help poor people?

1 min later 6486635 Anonymous
Oh yeah...I work in the industry

1 min later 6486639 Anonymous
Nah

2 min later 6486653 Anonymous
I pay taxes because I have to.

6 min later 6486683 Anonymous
No

6 min later 6486688 Anonymous
we pay taxes to support our officials so they can buy diamonds for their wife and cars for their children

8 min later 6486702 Anonymous
Pay taxes to drill up holes in the roads then fill it.

9 min later 6486708 Anonymous
Well that is one reason. For some reason we feel a bit bad if homeless persons freeze or starve to death. At least as long as they are Finns.

10 min later 6486716 Anonymous
I pay taxes because I have to

10 min later 6486718 Anonymous
paying tax for korean in japan who cant live with out money from goverment and old people who cant live with out money from goverment I feel like I am an idiot

11 min later 6486736 Anonymous
>>6486718 ※government

13 min later 6486749 Anonymous (mah nigga.jpg 352x329 45kB)
>>6486688 >state-funded holiday, i-i mean comparative studies to europe. check >new luxury european build-up cars. check >new house. check >800 million rupiah Hermes Birkin bags. check >kids go to overseas and act like a million dollars tycoon. check what did i miss?

15 min later 6486765 Anonymous
>>6486716 So basically you are a selfish fuck

16 min later 6486771 Anonymous
>>6486765 what?

18 min later 6486785 Anonymous
>>6486771 If you only pay taxes out of legal obligation and not out of wanting to contribute to your nation/your people you are pretty selfish. You sounded like one of those billionaires who exploit legal loopholes to pay less taxes.

19 min later 6486801 Anonymous
>>6486785 I don't have a choice in the matter retard, the IRS takes money out of my bank account. also taxes != Charity

20 min later 6486805 Anonymous (h-4-1287289-1260170230.jpg 800x533 45kB)
Because I have to

21 min later 6486814 Anonymous
Do people in your country pay taxes to help people who don't want to work? ftfy

21 min later 6486817 Anonymous
>>6486801 Taxes should bring equality to all and should be spent on things that actually improve the quality of peoples lives. At least this is how I personally feel.

21 min later 6486819 Anonymous
>>6486625 >poor people >in my netherlands? lol wut

25 min later 6486840 Anonymous (penn.jpg 960x819 134kB)
>>6486817 Well then you are a retard. Paying taxes doesn't make you a good person, nor does holding certain opinions. Your voluntary actions make you a good person. There is not compassion in taking money from others to give to the poor.

25 min later 6486843 Anonymous
>>6486814 it's easy to say that in this euro crisis you will be happy if one day you're jobless to have some money to survive

26 min later 6486849 Anonymous
>>6486625 I don't think taxes work that way. You pay taxes to pay for the rich people's mistake and excesses.

26 min later 6486850 Anonymous
>>6486819 ironically there are a lot of people in the netherlands who get uitkering, usually moroccans who make a lot of money robbing old people, but also feel like they want to rob everyone all at once.

27 min later 6486859 Anonymous
>>6486840 If that money can mean the difference between a living person and a dead person then I honestly cant see how you can say that is not compassion, unless if you start debating about the very nature of compassion which is not really the point.

27 min later 6486860 Anonymous
>>6486819 What about immigrants?

27 min later 6486861 Anonymous
>>6486843 no one who actually wants to work in germany is unemployed. besides handicapped people etc, but that group is insignificantly small next to the turks

28 min later 6486873 Anonymous
>>6486625 All our taxes go to the damn government

31 min later 6486892 Anonymous
>>6486859 you are retarded. There is no sympathy, compassion, or charity in TAKING from others. PERIOD. go look up the definition of Charity, then go look up the definition of tax. They are NOT the same. You are trying to tell me it's a good idea. which I agree, but when someone says that doing things that they MUST do makes them a good person that is just plain wrong, stupid and lazy. all acts of compassion or charity are done voluntarily, there is nothing voluntary about taxes.

33 min later 6486898 Anonymous
>>6486688 awesome like always eh... our government 5/5 corrupt day is all day...

35 min later 6486908 Anonymous
>>6486892 >hurrr ROMNEY 2012!!!! seriously america, don't you ever wonder why socialist yurop is doing so fucking great? you're not even a first world country

36 min later 6486911 Anonymous
>>6486892 Seems like I keep on misunderstanding shit so I will just stop and agree with you.

36 min later 6486914 Anonymous
They tax the middle class to the shit to buy their votes, if you call that charity, then it is.

38 min later 6486931 Anonymous
A lot of people here believe in a fair distribution of wealth, so that we don't create some class of poor losers, but we also pay for health care, roads and the other services the government is responsible for. The rest pay because they have to.

38 min later 6486934 Anonymous
>>6486908 what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Paying taxes isn't charity. Europe isn't doing "great" and go look up the definition of "first world" and tell me America isn't first world.

40 min later 6486949 Anonymous
>>6486840 >libertarians >penn jillete gross

41 min later 6486950 Anonymous
>>6486934 Not going to comment on anything else but its a pretty bad argument to pull out the literal dictionary definition of first world as you pretty much know what he was after and that is how the term is usually used.

43 min later 6486965 sage
5'7 >feelsbadman

43 min later 6486970 Anonymous
>>6486892 If a person who is able but unwilling to help those who would die or live in poverty without their help, then yes I believe it is the moral thing to coerce them in order to help those who need it. Your right to the fruits of your labor is lesser than the rights of the vulnerable to a reasonable standard of living. Freedom is important, but empathy more so, whether it is voluntary or not.

44 min later 6486974 sage
>>6486965 wrong thread my sincerest apologies

44 min later 6486979 Anonymous
>>6486970 His point was talking about the definitions of terms not about what was right.

44 min later 6486983 Anonymous
>>6486934 there are not enough people who want to give to "charity" in order to help people in need of it. the government forces you to pay it, and it is a working system. besides, you would also need "charity" to build roads and fly soldiers to iraq so they can protect your so-called freedom.

45 min later 6486989 Anonymous
>>6486970 >empathy is more important It isn't empathy when you are being forced to do something. It is coercion.

45 min later 6486990 Anonymous (World-Giving-Index-2011-m-001.jpg 2382x1684 464kB)
>>6486950 He shouldn't be redefining words and terms in MY NATIVE LANGUAGE. >>6486983 >there are not enough people who want to give to "charity" in order to help people in need of it. maybe in your country

45 min later 6486991 Anonymous (1336271670442.jpg 915x678 450kB)
>>6486965

47 min later 6487004 Anonymous
>>6486989 Whatever you want to call it.

47 min later 6487005 Anonymous
We don't accept immigrants. So there are few poor people in Japan. Severe nationality law is only way to solve poor problems. We hate discrimination..but we agree that there are racial differences. superiority or inferiority.. Most liberal is just covering up.

47 min later 6487008 Anonymous
>>6486990 what the fuck is that chart supposed to mean. anyways, the taxes also pay our (not sure on finland here) medical costs. if i get cancer and my medical costs rise into the thenthousands per year, i still pay the same as everybody else. other people pay more than they actually need, but in return they get the guarantee that if they where ever in need of expensive medical care, they would get it

47 min later 6487009 Anonymous
>>6486990 >He shouldn't be redefining words and terms in MY NATIVE LANGUAGE. Words mutate and definitions change, it is inevitable in any and all languages.

49 min later 6487016 Anonymous
>>6486983 >besides, you would also need "charity" to build roads and fly soldiers to iraq so they can protect your so-called freedom. >char·i·ty :The voluntary giving of help, typically money, to those in need. Stop trying to redefine words in my language. >>6487009 HURR YOU NEED TO CONFORM TO MY POOR UNDERSTANDING OF ENGLISH

49 min later 6487019 Anonymous
>>6487004 Do you want to address the actual statement or do you want to just preach about how you believe that you know best for society without explaining your reasoning?

50 min later 6487025 Anonymous
>>6487008 that's cool but it's not charity

50 min later 6487028 Anonymous
>>6486990 Americans give more than any other country, but it's still something like 1%, not anywhere near the funds necessary to feed and house the disabled, or provide healthcare to those unable to afford it.

51 min later 6487029 Anonymous
>>6486989 What matters is if taxation maximises the national standard of living (answer: yes) Nobody cares about your wanking over being compassionate or being coerced, the reason is irrelevant.

51 min later 6487030 Anonymous
>>6487016 Your own countrymen use the word in the same manner that random german did. I dont understand why you would get hostile over something this minor anyway. Seems like a strawman argument designed to take away focus from other stuff.

52 min later 6487039 Anonymous
>>6487025 and how good is that charity working out on your side of the ocean? if you don't have health insurance and need 20K a year, is america willing to just donate the money because they feel so fucking sorry? no you fucking die and you fucking deserved it

52 min later 6487045 Anonymous
>>6487019 What statement? It doesn't change the actual reality of the situation. We both agree on what we are talking about, the involuntary taking of funds from some certain people and the redistribution among certain others. I'm not saying it is not coercion.

54 min later 6487052 Anonymous
>>6487030 >Your own countrymen use the word in the same manner that random german did and they're still wrong ad populum doesn't work on me. >>6487039 except that doesn't happen and there are organization that do help those in need of medical care. your ignorance is not a good enough reason for me to be wrong. http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/en.aspx

56 min later 6487066 Anonymous
>>6487052 If charity was so exceptional at providing medical care then why does half the world suffer from easily treated disease?

57 min later 6487069 Anonymous
>>6487052 Sadly ad populum doesnt really apply to the evolution of a spoken language as the used meaning can basically overrule the dictinorial meaning. Even the language you speak now is a very mutated version of another language and by that ad populum argument people should have stuck in their old ways.

59 min later 6487088 Anonymous
>>6487066 The rest of the world doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is getting Americans to help other Americans. You can save the world if you want, but I only care about my country. If you are ok with your tax money being used to help poor Africans, that is your business. >>6487069 Charity is still defined as voluntary giving to those in need. if you meant something else you should have used a word that described what you meant.

59 min later 6487089 Anonymous
>>6487069 >>6487052 Please stop arguing about definitions, agree on one and work with it, words are simply a means of communication it doesn't matter whether you do not agree with a definition 100% what matters is that you both understand what you are talking about. Semantics ruins many debates.

1 hours later 6487099 Anonymous
>>6487088 >The rest of the world doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is getting Americans to help other Americans. Truly a charitable person you are. Anyway I realise the pointlessness of this argument now. You disgust me.

1 hours later 6487101 Anonymous
>>6487088 We were talking about the definition of the term first world, unless if I started talking to another anon along they way or perhaps you got confused at some point.

1 hours later 6487105 Anonymous
>>6487101 fuck this thread I thought we were talking about the definition of charity. This thread is dildos >>6487099 >Anyway I realise the pointlessness of this argument now. You disgust me. Fuck you too sad cunt

1 hours later 6487110 Anonymous
>>6487045 >what statement Your definition of using the state machinery to extract money for people who are 'more needy' in the name of empathy. >redistribution of wealth to the needy hasn't been tried before Incredible. It is like we are in a time machine at the start of the 1900s again.

1 hours later 6487117 Anonymous
>>6487105 Read >>6486950 and all related posts

1 hours later 6487124 Anonymous
>>6487117 no

1 hours later 6487153 Anonymous
>>6487124 That is basically the same as admitting defeat (if any is to be had in the first place).

1 hours later 6487166 Anonymous
>>6487153 No, explain everything you meant to say right now or it is you that has lost. Deal with it

1 hours later 6487185 Anonymous
>>6487166 >Not going to comment on anything else but its a pretty bad argument to pull out the literal dictionary definition of first world as you pretty much know what he was after and that is how the term is usually used. >I thought we were talking about the definition of charity. If this doesnt explain it very clearly then I dont know what will.

1 hours later 6487240 Anonymous
>>6486990 >France >Spain >Italy >Portugal >Greece Southern Europe confirmed for a bunch of greedy fucking misers, holy shit.

1 hours later 6487298 Anonymous
>>6486991 tfw you're not even on the chart

1 hours later 6487302 Anonymous
>>6487185 OK then we are still first world, >>6487298 That list is for men, not women. If you're a 5'5" woman that's the perfect height.

1 hours later 6487305 Anonymous
we pay taxes for criminals both for the politicians and for robbers (another name for poor people). that said, id rather be a thief than a middle class in this underdeveloped country.

1 hours later 6487375 Anonymous (transprog.jpg 1233x670 210kB)
yes. far more than any other country too; our tax/transfer system is basically robin hood. low income earners pay no tax and get most of the transfer payments. high income earners shoulder the vast majority of the tax burden, and get little in transfer payments. this is how Australia can get away with having pretty much the same welfare spending/gdp, total govt spending/gdp and tax/gdp as USA, yet get poverty outcomes on par with the nordic countries. it really isn't about how much you spend; it's about how you spend it. why would you tax poor people, and give welfare to rich people? doesnt make sense but that's what almost every other country does pic related

1 hours later 6487396 Anonymous
>>6487028 americans only do so well in giving stats like this because they rely so much on fucking charity just for basic shit like feeding the homeless. not only is this costly and inefficient, but it's fucking pathetic

1 hours later 6487412 Anonymous
>>6487396 >not only is this costly and inefficient, but it's fucking pathetic Are you implying that the US government is efficient and cost effective?

1 hours later 6487450 Anonymous
>>6487412 I think he's implying that the Australian government is efficient and cost effective

1 hours later 6487461 Anonymous
>>6487450 Only government that creates a tax that loses them money.

1 hours later 6487467 Anonymous
>>6487450 Well then I wouldn't know anything about that. I for one, am proud of the fact that welfare in the US is somewhat out of the government's hands. The welfare they are in charge of is in shambles. I sometimes find it hard to see why we need a government.

1 hours later 6487472 Anonymous
lol no i haven't paid my gas bill since 2009

1 hours later 6487522 Anonymous
>>6487412 even the U.S public service would be more efficient than charity man. I have wondered though about why the fuck your public service is so incompetent. Apparently your public education system is at least adequately funded, but it's horrible. Your health system gets an insane amount of resources, but is the most costly inefficient in the developed world. I have a suspicion that because of the nature of your founding, you guys didnt really see it as a priority to develop an efficient and effective public/civil service, and when you did have to do this it was half-arsed. i could be wrong though

1 hours later 6487531 Anonymous
>>6487522 >even the U.S public service would be more efficient than charity man. then why can't you prove it with actual facts and evidence.

2 hours later 6487556 Anonymous (foreigners.jpg 400x398 95kB)
>>6487522 >I have wondered though about why the fuck your public service is so incompetent which public services? and keep in mind there are multiple levels of government across 50 states that are all different so please be specific and avoid generalizations.

2 hours later 6487601 Anonymous
>>6487467 Our government spent a lot of money upgrading its information systems. Now, routine things can be dealt with online, all payments are electronic, all the records are electronic, the welfare systems are interlinked in various ways with the tax and medicare systems, etc. They have been able to get the overheads down and reduce fraud quite a bit, while making it pretty easy to access welfare services for people who need it

2 hours later 6487620 Anonymous
>>6487601 When did they do all this?

2 hours later 6487681 Anonymous
>>6487620 Not all at once, it's the result of a lot of incremental improvements over the years. Basically efficiency has been a priority for a long time because we are massive whingers, so they have done what they can when they can. We have had electronic tax filing for maybe a decade now, and I guess they started with the welfare system in the late 90s. So at some stage they realized they could share information between agencies and started connecting the systems, and that it would be easier and cheaper to reduce the amount of paperwork, and so on, and they just went ahead and did it

2 hours later 6487693 Anonymous
>>6487681 oh, we did the same thing back in 1998.

2 hours later 6487734 Anonymous
I hate paying taxes.

2 hours later 6487814 Anonymous
>>6487088 The rest of the country doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is getting my personal network to support itself.

2 hours later 6488030 Anonymous
No. I pay taxes with which politicians will claim they'll help poor people, but they'll just keep most of it to themselves.

2 hours later 6488049 Anonymous (quiz1059outcome4.jpg 320x256 17kB)
My country pays way too much taxes and help poors way too much. Its like people dont wanna even find a job because the government pays you so much some alimoney. Taxes growing all the time = economy crisis soon and nobody wants to work.

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