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2012-09-23 05:53 6009158 Anonymous Polonophobia, anti-Polonism, antipolonism and anti-Polish sentiment (polish-girl-euro-2012_03-530x800.jpg 530x800 76kB)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment Do you hate fuckin poles ?

0 min later 6009172 Anonymous
yes

1 min later 6009178 Anonymous
>>6009158 Poles are usually chill, except when Israel shows up, then they lose their shit and go full retard.

1 min later 6009184 Anonymous
Polish prostitutes are not bad a bit cold but kinda sexy

2 min later 6009191 Anonymous
>>6009158 Poland is cool I would like to go to Poland and drink their vodka one day Maybe check out some statues

2 min later 6009202 Anonymous (235.png 556x471 530kB)
>>6009158

2 min later 6009203 Anonymous
>>6009158 with girls looking like that? hell NO

3 min later 6009205 Anonymous
Yep Poland is the worst, good job pointing it out Canada! in b4 polish rage

3 min later 6009207 Anonymous (poleworker.jpg 960x717 205kB)
SHUT THE FUCK UP, POLES ARE USEFULL pic related

3 min later 6009211 Anonymous
Are you 14/88th German or Russian, OP?

3 min later 6009213 Anonymous
I personally know one pole, and for some reason he never talks about his country. I guess the poles abroad assilimate so deeply they're forgetting their native country.

4 min later 6009220 Anonymous
Russian here. It's hard to like a people who only associate you with what some Georgian bank robber did in the '40's. But I don't have anything directly agianst them, but I hate how they play the victim-card all the time to justify their need of hatred.

4 min later 6009222 Anonymous
Poles are kinda cool

4 min later 6009225 Anonymous
>2012 >hating poland its like kicking puppys you can't do it, when you see there big, round, teary eyes, while they steal your new BMW

5 min later 6009231 Anonymous
>>6009213 >assimilate >in Moldova

5 min later 6009233 Anonymous
>>6009222 Oh no, I didn't just see the Brunei flag.

5 min later 6009236 Anonymous
>>6009225 >i can't into grammer today

6 min later 6009242 Anonymous
>>6009158 >hate poles Dem freudian explanations man.

7 min later 6009248 Anonymous
No, I love Poles, they're very good at cleaning my toilets

7 min later 6009251 Anonymous (5 Poles.jpg 544x363 30kB)
Why would you hate this.

7 min later 6009256 Anonymous
my family in law are all polish (with a 2nd generation immigrant) and they are beyond compare the most amazing people I have ever met. They all learned the language when they moved over, have good jobs, take excellent care of eachother and provide their children with good education and morals. I am biased, but I find them to be excellent citizens.

8 min later 6009260 Anonymous
>>6009220 >who only associate you with what some Georgian bank robber did in the '40's i have no idea what you are talking about

8 min later 6009268 Anonymous
This is the third "Do you hate Poles" thread in a matter of a few hours. What's going on?

9 min later 6009274 Anonymous
I do. They are disgusting and deserve a mass genocide. The fact that they even exist makes me mad as fuck.

9 min later 6009277 Anonymous
yes, they're annoying fucks. >>6009178 That's because that territory deserves every bit of it.

9 min later 6009279 Anonymous
>>6009268 They see me westernizin they hatin

11 min later 6009297 Anonymous
>>6009279 Hey I'm not complaining, soon enough Poland will carry the EU while we retire. Feels good man.

12 min later 6009304 Anonymous
>>6009225 cant control the lold

13 min later 6009316 Anonymous
>>6009158 I dislike poles. Well, maybe even hate. Also polish sounds strange.

14 min later 6009333 Anonymous
I fucking hate the polish men they all have the type 8 of the enneagram ... but the girls ... but the girls ...

16 min later 6009352 Anonymous
>>6009260 Stalin was a crooked thief and robber in Georgia, later the one who, together with Lavrentiy Beria (also Georgian), issues the Katyn-massacre and the attacks on Poland. Some of the Poles I'vet met have given collective guilt for Russians for Stalin's and Lavrenty's crimes on Poles (as well as others, like Russians).

16 min later 6009354 Anonymous
>tfw no average qt polish GF

17 min later 6009370 Anonymous
>>6009316 Because you are a balt. Unfortunately, it's not possible to cure this hopeless disease.

19 min later 6009387 Anonymous
>>6009211 I think he's just a Lithuanian emigrant in Canada. I think I don't need to explain more.

21 min later 6009405 Anonymous (1348365129001.png 600x600 99kB)
>all this asspain in this thread I feel almost like I was lurking KC

22 min later 6009409 Anonymous
>>6009260 Don't you know about Stalin? But truth to be said, we hate you also (well not me, but a lot of "normal" Poles) for partition of Poland, all those years of socialism (although there was a lot of polish trash involved in it too) and for all those years of Putin reign. I actually thought that after death of Kaczynski (what a trasz) you reacted well, and the relation between our countries will warm a bit, I work with half Russian half Pole and we crack jokes on both sides all the time.

23 min later 6009426 Anonymous (1346940477423.png 698x499 82kB)
>>6009370 >it's not possible to cure this hopeless disease.

24 min later 6009442 Anonymous
>>6009220 You really think it's only about Stalin, don't you? lrn2XIXcentury

26 min later 6009461 Anonymous (1346944306453.png 354x330 6kB)
>>6009426

26 min later 6009465 Anonymous (1346940477424.png 698x499 117kB)
>>6009461 Here, take this

27 min later 6009474 Anonymous
>>6009465 Thanks brali.

28 min later 6009476 Anonymous
>>6009316 thats why you have polish pm?

29 min later 6009488 Anonymous (1346520545255.gif 346x259 1575kB)
Who cares how many nations hate us? We will be always here, several tried, all failed.

37 min later 6009588 Anonymous
>>6009409 I see. But if Poland-Lithuania were as powerful as its enemies, it'd too do the same with them. "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." I think Noam Chomsky put it well, that far-right nationalism is to associate its inhabitans with the country's politics. >>6009442 Eh, by that logic, all Ukrainians have the right to hate Poles. Come to think of it, they did take revenge in Volhynia for all those years of forced Catholicism and such. Didn't the Poles sit in Kreml too around 1620? ..... My point is, we need to get over our past and aim for the future. All countries have their share of shit in the past, but like Chekhov wrote, it always affects the little man.

38 min later 6009605 Anonymous
>>6009488 well said to tried where they now? prussia tried where they now? nazis tried where they now? muscovy tried whre are they now? tsarist russia tried where are they now? ussr tired where are they now?

38 min later 6009613 Anonymous
>>6009158 I must confess I hate poles

42 min later 6009665 Anonymous
>>6009220 I second this. Poles are the immigrants we need. Those I know are easy to connect to, it's sad to see that they have to rely on "black labour" to sustain their needs.

46 min later 6009724 Anonymous
>>6009605 We're still here bro. Although I don't think we hate you anymore.

48 min later 6009758 Anonymous
>>6009158 Only polacks, they're 70% of our population and they need to be purged.. The rest are god tier bros.

50 min later 6009775 Anonymous
>>6009588 >they did take revenge in Volhynia for all those years of forced Catholicism and such What do you compare? How many people were killed by Poles in order to convince Ukrainians? I must admit we destroyed a lot of orthodox churches and it should be condemned but Polish forces didn't kill people (instead of some cases of course but they were exceptions).

55 min later 6009834 Anonymous
>>6009158 nah, they have a funny accent but work hard and aren't muslims, poles here integrate well (the majority) they are ok in my book

57 min later 6009858 Anonymous
>>6009775 It was rather aimed at the fact that everyone has the oppertunity to hate anyone for their past. Ukrainians will hate Poles for its Polification, Poles will have the Ukrainians for their revenge, and so on etc. It's just a chain that won't brake until we all acknowledge that history keeps us down. We all have a shitty past, and it doesn't matter if someone were more shittier than others; there will always be a reasoning for hate, but that doesn't justify it. And sadly I feel that Poles will just continue with their hate towards Russia. Perhaps it'll change, but... I dunno.

58 min later 6009868 Professional Polish Plumber (1348162618583.png 487x436 32kB)
>>6009724 We have no hate for swedebros. Our wars in the past were either caused by arguing who deserves to own the balts or fucking vasas solving family arguments using countries. Here, have a potato.

1 hours later 6009903 Professional Polish Plumber (1347816630231.jpg 500x530 60kB)
>>6009858 >Implying normal poles (Poland A) hate russia in any way.

1 hours later 6009983 Anonymous
>>6009868 Thank you for the potato. And sorry for the whole Deluge thingy.

1 hours later 6009997 Anonymous (kircholm.jpg 311x716 119kB)
It's funny and sad poland is always in the center of events which shape the world poland gave the world a lot of scientists and noble prize winners polish immigrants are big part of the core in united states who built it from the beginnings and the world still makes fun of them and /int/ only proves it that making fun of poland is easy and socially acceptable... poles aren't really mad at this but polish jokes are just a bad taste tl;dr there were beautiful times together poland, pan-european kebab removal and holding whole europe's nuts, but freeing russia from tatars with mongols was our biggest mistake rest of the world - stay uneducated

1 hours later 6010043 Professional Polish Plumber (1311967110175.jpg 500x492 51kB)
>>6009997 A sensible normal lithuanian on /int/. Wow. I know a couple in rl, but never met one here.

1 hours later 6010059 Anonymous
>>6010043 fuck off faggot

1 hours later 6010074 Anonymous
>>6009997 One Pole killed 1.38 of Swede. One Swede killed 0,009 Pole.

1 hours later 6010081 Anonymous
>>6009997 > freeing russia from tatars with mongols was our biggest mistake Please explain what you mean.

1 hours later 6010110 Anonymous
>>6010081 That Russia will be still fucked by tatars hence it would be not an empire.

1 hours later 6010146 Anonymous
>>6010110 But how did Poland-Lithuania help and contribute to the removal of the Mongols?

1 hours later 6010149 Anonymous
>>6010081 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blue_Waters this was the end of russian overlords who controlled russians and did not let them grow strong and big armies, then we were busy with teutons and russians built up big force and used this situation finally dividing poland with prussia and austria >>6010059 please don't ruin the thread

1 hours later 6010157 Professional Polish Plumber
>>6010059 And here comes the average lithuanian /int/ellectual.

1 hours later 6010190 Anonymous
>>6010157 >And here comes the average polish immigrant

1 hours later 6010211 Anonymous
All of Europe needs German guidance.

1 hours later 6010213 Anonymous
>>6010190 And here comes no one.

1 hours later 6010229 Anonymous
No I don't like their government for recognizing Kosovo as independent country, but I hear good stories from my friends and people I met who have been to Poland, like weekend deals, tourist attractions and such. They say Poles are friendly and similar to us, so they can't be bad.

1 hours later 6010244 Anonymous (1346849047805.png 524x376 11kB)
>>6010190 and here comes braliukas

1 hours later 6010249 Anonymous
>>6010149 That only helped the devestated Ruthenians who lived in the once powerful Kievan Rus'. Although Kiev was defended, they still took Halych and the neighbouring settlements. Your argument doesn't take in consideration that it was it was the Muscovite Tsardom who united Russia (including the poweful states of Novgorod and Pskov who weren't directly affected by Tatars at all, but by Teutons and Balts).

1 hours later 6010269 Professional Polish Plumber
>>6010190 Fucking hell, I really want to like you guys, but you make it impossible. If I didn't know any balts irl , I would've thought you are all clinically retarded. Guys like >>6010149 make me believe that there are some normal lithuanians around here. Why are you the only countries that 99% posters are anti-polish as it gets?

1 hours later 6010301 Anonymous
>>6009588 It's much more complicated matter with Ukrainians. Yeah, we were pretty dickish to them, but they learned how to be a nation, how to form national identity FROM US. First line of their anthem is almost direct citation from ours. Long story short - we are brother nations, and the biggest animosity is between wronged brothers.

1 hours later 6010307 Anonymous (32434677.png 1280x1024 940kB)
>>6010244 Heh, Liet Every time something like this starts - you brāļi come and support us. Thank you.

1 hours later 6010313 44 (i cant any more.gif 400x328 373kB)
>>6010269 life

1 hours later 6010329 Anonymous
>>6010229 sorry bro, our government right now is fucking shit. Kosovo je Srbija and Poles in general are aware of this.

1 hours later 6010341 Anonymous (1346457719424.jpg 1120x1085 198kB)
>>6010307 Bros got to stick together >>6010269 lithuanians would stop talking shit about poland if you guys would just stfu about Vilnius

1 hours later 6010348 Anonymous
it is fun to make fun of poles but most poles i've met have been bros and awesome to party with

1 hours later 6010371 Anonymous
>>6010269 > I really want to like you guys, but you make it impossible Its just your choice. You want to hate us? Go on. You want to like us? Prrft, sure >you are all clinically retarded. K. >make me believe that there are some normal lithuanians around here >Some normal >Some >the only countries that 99% posters are anti-polish as it gets? Thats not even funny now.

1 hours later 6010379 44 (potatoes.jpg 364x492 61kB)
>>6010341 >stfu about Vilnius The funny thing is that I dont give a damn shit.

1 hours later 6010384 Anonymous
>>6010301 Whatever your nations' reasoning may be, some will use it for hate. Some Ukrainians will agree with you, some will completely disagree with you. My point is that we should not let history keep us down today. Perhaps it's inevitable, but it doesn't hurt to try. We can always find shit in other nations' history, but we can choose to exagerrate them or not.

1 hours later 6010403 Professional Polish Plumber
>>6010341 But I don't talk about wilno. 99% of poles doesn't care about wilno. You would find more people wanting lwów back than their capital. From what I can see the wilno nasze kurwo shit starts whan some lithuanian starts raging and some polish trolls try to turn him on even more.

1 hours later 6010517 Anonymous
>>6010384 I know what you mean. But still, I think it's different - Poles and Ukrainians have so much in common it can't stay that way. >>6010403 Seriously, If I had to choose between Wilno and Lwów, I'd choose Lwów. It's such a beautiful city, Ukrainians, please, handle it with care.

1 hours later 6010574 Anonymous (1346697417589.png 830x974 139kB)
>>6010379 >>6010403 But the acting like you do care doesn't really help forgeting and moving on.

1 hours later 6010604 Anonymous
>>6010574 Most Poles don't care about Lithuania, its a small, underdeveloped country. I think Masovia has more population than Lithuania. The whole trolling is just reaction to this by Lithuanians I think. I mean seriously-who cares about Lithuania.

1 hours later 6010605 Anonymous (wilno history.png 783x554 41kB)
>>6010574 >this pic >treacherous Such a unforgivable treachery form our side. It's not like you got what you deserved through last years.

1 hours later 6010645 Anonymous
>>6010604 This. When a foreign student form Lithuania (he was Macedonian from exchange) said that I would get beaten for being a Pole in there, especially If wearing Polish colors or some stuff. In Poland nobody would even recognize their flag, and even If, nobody would give a shit If they waved those around the street. Lithuania is the only butthurt one in reality.

1 hours later 6010657 Professional Polish Plumber
>>6010605 Just ignore them. Let them know how irrelevant they are. Judging from their suicide rates we won't have to deal with them much longer.

1 hours later 6010743 Anonymous
>>6010657 with the increasing demand of polish plumbers in britain i dont think we'll have to worry about you either

2 hours later 6010782 Anonymous
An excerpt from the other thread that got retardedly deleted: - Honestly, Poland is the closest to being on its historic borders right now than they've ever been. - Vilnius wasn't Polish ever and there are only poles in lithuania because of the commonwealth. - Then again, the closest thing to historic lithuania is now 'belarus' which was always majority Ruthenian ('White' Ruthenian is a mix between Polish, Lithuanian and old Rus) - The lands the Ukranians got from you were also lands the Poles stole from under the Rus' noses while the mongols were dicking their bloody anuses to the death. - I personally dislike Poland because of its continuous attempts at disrupting its neighbours even when they aren't looking for a fight, with shit like Prometheism (by that bonehead of Pilsudski) or the Eastern Partnership, which is nothing other than an anti-Russian and anti-German coalition of recipients of Polish easy money and neo-colonization Am not a butthurt semigallian (the more accurate term from nowaday lithuanians, and what you dumb polski keep thinking I am), I am an italo-basque Uruguayan who lives in Montevideo. Deal with.

2 hours later 6010797 Anonymous belarus
What is this Polonophobia you're speaking of? How can anyone hate Polan? Polan is of cute.

2 hours later 6010804 Anonymous
>>6010743 Lithuanians regular Poles are not hating you, we treat you like bros or even more, you are for us ones with who we created one of the biggest empire in the Europe that time. Every polish kid in school knows Mickewicz's Pan Tadeusz intro where it begins: Lithuania! My mother land! Literally no Lithuanian will be hurt in Poland.

2 hours later 6010812 Anonymous
>>6010782 >dat butthurt Urugayan who got trolled by mods

2 hours later 6010826 Anonymous
>>6010782 Red that, you are trying real hard, I meant shifted but shafted is also good word. You are implying that lands we got in 1000 years are not historically ours? So what would you say regarding USA in this case? Your logic totally makes no sense to me, will not discuss with you more. Here is map for ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwGW8JzH8g&feature=related

2 hours later 6010830 Anonymous (alice.jpg 1000x1208 163kB)
>>6010782 You are now officially allowed to have an opinion. I won't even argue with those points and I never tired. I am very ok with our current state and shape, are you?

2 hours later 6010839 Professional Polish Plumber (1347479099160.gif 300x200 2186kB)
>>6010797 >Tfw you will never be lithuanian and know the joy of pure hatred.

2 hours later 6010843 44
>>6010782 >Deal with. OK

2 hours later 6010855 Anonymous
>>6010782 >looking for a fight with neighbours >not existing for more than 200years Nigga you are fully retarded.

2 hours later 6010856 Anonymous belarus (its beautiful.jpg 250x251 7kB)
>>6010782

2 hours later 6010857 Anonymous
this thread and overall lithuanian polish shitstorm confirms anothers poster's words ITT: >biggest animosity is between wronged brothers

2 hours later 6010863 Anonymous (278472000.png 520x390 81kB)
>>6010812 >butthurt >trolled

2 hours later 6010877 Anonymous (321123312132312123.jpg 400x541 35kB)
Poles I met IRL are bros.Also,Poland is very nice country,speaking from Slavic perspective. And I am appalled by amount of Baltic butthurt on all threads about Poland,wtf is wrong with you?You hate Russia,you hate Poland,you hate Belarus,you hate yourselves,get out.

2 hours later 6010886 Anonymous
>>6010826 I believe USA got a lot of its hands through ill means too. The thing is... As am about to say to >>6010830 too Is that Polish borders at this moment are fine, historic, and worth of what Poland was always. Am just saying that for a seasoned observer, it looks highly unfair to almost everyone that you wish to continue disrupting your neighbours, and at the same time, trying to feed from the false sense of victimism that Poland always wants to instill on everyone. You tried to become independent in WW1, everyone supported that, its alright, but then you tried to remake your shitty empire under the pretense of fighting the commies, and shitted all over any sense of fairness in the argument your country spoused. Therefore the Eastern Partnership is ethically wrong and empty of premise, its a polish adventure at trying to get its old retarded empire back, which is why I resent it.

2 hours later 6010905 Anonymous
Resetting router again, just because am paranoid.

2 hours later 6010906 Anonymous (1319922737481.jpg 500x375 42kB)
>>6010782 > the closest thing to historic lithuania is now 'belarus' which was always majority Ruthenian ('White' Ruthenian is a mix between Polish, Lithuanian and old Rus) >The lands the Ukranians got from you were also lands the Poles stole from under the Rus' noses while the mongols were dicking their bloody anuses to the death.

2 hours later 6010915 Anonymous
>>6009409 >I actually thought that after death of Kaczynski you reacted well Russian commission was suggesting something about Polish drunk general trying to fly the plane ... on the other hand airfield and control tower were in pristine condition, and russian plane is a engineering wonder that never breaks .... same old shit ... nigga please ... nothing has changed, same people rule Russia and stick their noses in everyone's else business

2 hours later 6010931 Anonymous
I don't know anyone irl who seriously has a problem with Poland. You guys are acting like we lynch any Pole who crosses the border.

2 hours later 6010937 Anonymous
>>6010915 >russians getting into polish internal affairs Gee, pot calling the kettle black.

2 hours later 6010938 Professional Polish Plumber
>>6010915 PiS go home. I know that it was their evil secret plan all along to kill our president. I can assure you that it was NKVD that planted those trees back in 1941 with this plot in mind.

2 hours later 6010951 Anonymous
>>6010886 Damn mang, practically every country boredering us was an empire once and were also using dirty tricks and plots to spread their power not counting with anyone. If you gave Lithuanians or Ukrainians the chance, they would show their horns too, not speaking about Germans, Austrians or Russians. We still act like victims but that's because all of those assholes ganged up on us, won't say we wouldn't do otherwise in their place, but they aren't better. So unless you are Russianboo or Germanboo or some other neighbour lover, I see no rational reason to hat us.

2 hours later 6010960 Anonymous
>>6010886 So you are saying communism is good? Because basically that what you've saying. If we will not be buffer for communism whole Europe will be communistic at that time. You will not be writing such bullshit now if you will see "beauty" of communism with your own eyes.

2 hours later 6010998 Anonymous
>>6010960 >communism >beautiful Dear god no, I fucking hate commies, I have a fucking government with commies here and a fucking communist as a mayor in Montevideo who is a shitheaded bitch, how dare you even suggest that bullshit. I admire fucking Walese for his job with Solidarity, but I hate Kazcinski for shitting all over it and making of Poland, a choir of fag kids who pander to the Church and a backwards sort of populism.

2 hours later 6011010 Anonymous
>>6010998 *Walesa

2 hours later 6011025 Anonymous
>>6010931 That's what guy living in Kaunas told me and he wasn't Polish. Also judging form your posts.

2 hours later 6011032 44
>>6010998 Do you understand the meaning of quotation marks in that post ?

2 hours later 6011041 Anonymous
>>6010938 lrn2read dumb fuck I've never said it was an assassination ... I was talking about reaction PS. I'm neither PiS nor PO. Both are liars and anyone supporting either side is a mindless drone buying all the BS in media.

2 hours later 6011043 Anonymous
>>6010998 I was referring to 1920 as you were saying that our anti-communism policy was non-sense. Let me say it clearly: we were saving ourselves and rest of Europe as addition from spreading Bolsheviks communism all over Europe, don't you get it?

2 hours later 6011068 PuRiAmDu
>>6009158 The only person I have ever met who was actually from Poland was nice. ' And there was a lot of Polish immigration to my area in the past so I've known a lot of people of Polish descent. There's even a neighborhood near me called "Polock" (from the term Polack), but there're very few white people of any descent there now.

2 hours later 6011070 Anonymous (le shinji face.jpg 640x423 46kB)
>>6011041 LEWAK LEWAK RAZ SIERPEM RAZ MŁOTEM CZERWONĄ HOŁOTĘ

2 hours later 6011073 Anonymous
>>6011041 This 44 is just narrow-minded, don't pay attentions to him, he knows everything better and if you will be undermining facts they show in TV he would call you PIS.

2 hours later 6011084 Anonymous
>>6011043 You were saving yourselves, that much I get it. You stopped saving yourselves and starting pissing on others when you occupied Vilnius and tried to ethnically cleanse Volhynia softly, while eyeing the rest of Ukraine and Belarus with ambition. Instead of trashing the communists, you turned the miracle of the vistula in a damnation for all of eastern europe. And in time, history would eventually return you the favor for not having helped destroy soviet russia and put a less shitty russia in place.

2 hours later 6011104 Anonymous
>>6010905 Dear friend, tell me why was Prometheism as bad as the Katyn massacre, because you tried to equate those two events some time ago. How many people were killed by Prometheists? How many Soviet goverments were overthrown by those Poles? Just explain what you meant.

2 hours later 6011127 Anonymous
>>6011084 >Instead of trashing the communists, you turned the miracle of the vistula in a damnation for all of eastern europe. And in time, history would eventually return you the favor for not having helped destroy soviet russia and put a less shitty russia in place. What would you expect us to do? Charge back at Moscov? We hardly defended ourselves. And yeah Ukrainians and Lithuanians payed us back generously If you know a little more about Volhynia or Lithuania.

2 hours later 6011131 Anonymous
>>6011084 Our whole politic was too stop Bolsheviks, our whole army was set up to defend from Bolsheviks. Why don't you get it? They were totally real that time with Stalin leading.

2 hours later 6011161 Anonymous
>>6011104 I only meant that it was justified in that you guys were proping up terrorists within the soviet union. Instead of helping bring the soviets down, you only made them stronger and harder to bring down, terrorists who continued being propped up, except that this time by Hitler, who continued the support of those groups after taking over Poland. When Hitler invaded the USSR, it was about to collapse on its own because of Stalin's idiocy too, but then he strengthened it enough for it to last another 40 years because of the 'Glorious Fatherland's war' myth. Only after Poland got shitted and put down like a rabid dog and then the Russians finally figured how retarded their regime was and non-existent their enemies were, was that the USSR fell.

2 hours later 6011170 Anonymous
>>6011104 I think we were still the most "humane" conquerors in this region when you bring up Germans or Russians. If only they treated us like we treated Lithuanians and Ukrainians... Also Balts could taste change on Soviet overlords which reduced their population at least by half due to deportations.

2 hours later 6011177 Anonymous
My cousin had a polish girlfriend once. She was good-looking, but a cold-harded manipulating bitch who only ever cared about petty things and keeping up appearances. She had him clean the fucking roof every two months. But she is the only polish person I've ever known, so I don't know if she represents the norm in Poland.

2 hours later 6011205 Anonymous
>>6011127 The Americans, the british, the french and even the germans were willing to bring down the soviets, and so was the White Army. But instead of coordinating and helping them, you just tried to protect your petty interests and to carve a small Greater Poland while shitting up Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. And obviously they repaid you the way they saw fit, after being tools for higher powers for over 400 years, they felt like repaying in kind.

2 hours later 6011218 Anonymous
>>6011177 Our bitches are cold-blooded indeed.

2 hours later 6011220 Anonymous
>that wikipedia article Wow, everybody's so eager to have a history of being persecuted by the Nazis nowadays.

2 hours later 6011226 Anonymous
no

2 hours later 6011234 Anonymous
>>6011161 Do you expect that we will win with Red Army with Lithuanians and Ukrainians at that time? Loled Only chance to fucked up Soviets at that time was to sign pact with Hitler in January 1939. Let him fucked up France and then we will crush Soviets. Unfortunettly our sense of honor doesn't allow us to do it and it was biggest mistake in our history.

2 hours later 6011256 Anonymous
>>6011234 I meant 1918-1922 not 1939. By 1939 Poland was entirely hopeless and incapable of winning by its own damn fault, and was about to get everything that came to it. The time for doing something was when you defeated the Bolsheviks at Warsaw, not when you finally began pissing on yourselves at 1939.

2 hours later 6011260 Anonymous
>>6011205 >you just tried to protect your petty interests >Poland tries to protect its interests >fucking selfish Poles are idiots they should help White Russians and lose their independence (White generals said they would not accept any independent Poland ) >Russia tries to protect its interests >Great that Russia beats those stupid Polocks.

2 hours later 6011265 Anonymous (Odznaka_Dywizjonu_Huzarów_Śmierci_wz._1920_-_replika.jpg 302x278 17kB)
>>6011234 Nad then everybody would prise us instead of complaining. End of mr. nice guy.

2 hours later 6011277 Anonymous
>>6011205 America didn't care at that time - it was Europe's problem, Brits didn't care till danger eventually will come to their borders. France was sitting on Maginto Line watching Hitler. Only Germans would potentially be keen to do it. Stop bullshiting please.

2 hours later 6011280 Anonymous
>>6011265 >implying the germans wouldn't eventually round up every last 'non-germanic looking "polish"' and sent them to the camps

2 hours later 6011289 Anonymous
>>6011260 I said it's some Russiaboo or Germanoboo or some emigrated balt in any case.

2 hours later 6011295 Anonymous
>>6011277 The americans had invaded the east alongside with the japanese, if I recall correctly. There were several expeditions to Murmansk and the Caucasus too.

2 hours later 6011298 Anonymous
No, I like Poland very much.

2 hours later 6011299 Anonymous
>>6011289 I'd agree with this balt.

2 hours later 6011331 Anonymous
>>6011280 It would be hard at the end we could betray Germans and help Americans to fucked up them for which we will be granted as history is written by winners. Beside that I don't believe Hitler will want to kill Poles who helped him win with Soviets as he will already have his Lebensraum on Russia lands.

2 hours later 6011334 Anonymous (polish warrior.jpg 600x800 27kB)
>>6011265 I'm sick of this noble victim visage. Germany, Russia, teach us how to be evil pls.

2 hours later 6011343 Anonymous
>>6011260 >the whites had any intent of going after Poland when they were already hard pressed with dealing with not just the bolsheviks but also Macno's black army in Ukraine Really... >>6011299 >he still thinks am a fascist butthurt balt who supported whoever came to protect his butt and then blamed everyone who occupied them Yeah, nah, am not a semigallian.

2 hours later 6011362 Anonymous
>>6011331 >he thinks Hitler wasn't more interested in the fertile lands around the vistula and the dnepr rather than the cold, shitty taiga around Moscow Deluded polski is deluded.

2 hours later 6011363 Anonymous
>>6011295 But earlier you were referring to period 1920-1939 that Americans, Brits, France was willing to help if I understood correctly.

2 hours later 6011384 Anonymous
>>6011343 Ok now I sense some historical objectivity on you. I still think that throwing all blame at us is just silly.

2 hours later 6011391 Anonymous
>>6011363 They were willing to help, in fact, they did help and sent expeditions, which eventually retreated once they figured the white armies would lose to the joint black and bolshevik armies. Once the anarchists and commies defeated the whites, the bolsheviks ate Macno's army whole, and all hope for Russia was lost.

2 hours later 6011418 Anonymous
>>6011384 Oh, am not. The Russians were at fault for trying to fuck the whole of Eastern Europe over and then pretending they'd be liked. Poland didn't do better, further demonstrating slavs suck at public relations and at alliancing, by fucking over the other eastern europeans AND then getting fucked over again by the Russians (in USSR form)

2 hours later 6011437 Anonymous
>>6011218 Not sure about that. My dad is from switzerland and my mom from poland. He yells sometimes at her, but a day later they say sorry to eachother and kiss :/ Thank god im already 20 years old and go to work for 8 hours, so i dunno whats going on @ home ^^

2 hours later 6011440 Anonymous
>>6011334 And yet, Russia is trying to learn from you, because they feel they are 'too hard' now.

2 hours later 6011466 Anonymous
>>6011256 You really got wrong ideas about history in general or any common sense. Everyone who read something or not retarded will tell you Poland is generally one of the biggest victims of imperialistic policies from 18th to 21st century. They were struck from all sides in 18th century,and they were probably one of most liberal nations in Europe. They were then occupied by Russian Empire for 100 years. They protected Europe,or at least Germany from communism and despite being right-winged republic they weren't committing genocide or oppressing people like Soviet Union. They were then killed and destroyed by Nazi Germany,and backstabbed by Soviets.And betrayed by Western Allies. Then they suffered communist regime for half a century. Really,your points are so meaningless that I'm wondering why is anyone replying to you at all.I am hoping you are trolling or something,because if not you're fucking stupid.

2 hours later 6011493 Anonymous
>>6011362 You got some knowledge but you have big gaps, best lands for crops are in Ukraine (check: chernozem), Caucaus will let Hitler access to oil and Ural is full of minerals. That would satisfy him for sure. I would repeat: our only chance to survive and to be winner in circumstances of 1939 year was to: - sign pact with Hitler in January 1939 to fuck Soviets (Ribbentrop-Beck) - let Hitler conquer France, till that time we will make our army bigger as we will know plans for invasion of Soviets - go fucked up Soviets with Germans in 1941 - in 1942 start secret negotiations with USA and GB - once agreed betray Germans and help Allies destroy them This was only chance to survive without being someones dog.

2 hours later 6011541 Anonymous
>>6011466 It's not like we don't have our own dark side. But compared to our surroundings we are really like amateurs when it comes to being asshole.

2 hours later 6011616 Anonymous
>>6011466 >You really got wrong ideas about history in general or any common sense. Okay, since am mr. no common sense, I'll try to examine your argument. >Everyone who read something or not retarded will tell you Poland is generally one of the biggest victims of imperialistic policies from 18th to 21st century. True to a fault, but they were also an empire that never stopped advancing in the 4 centuries before that, and normally, at the expense of the people in the territories they conquered >They were struck from all sides in 18th century,and they were probably one of most liberal nations in Europe. The commonwealth was a monarchy with republican elements, which got struck from three sides because of how Prussia, Austria and Russia felt that Poland was attempting to absorb them all, it was aggressive self defense. >They were then occupied by Russian Empire for 100 years. The Russian Empire was an attempt at a Slavic union... obviously under heavy pro-russian bias. The pro-russian bias became retarded when they began impossing their language and script on others, and its the prime reason why it got eventually overthrown, aside from its corrupt centralist admnistration. >They protected Europe,or at least Germany from communism and despite being right-winged republic they weren't committing genocide or oppressing people like Soviet Union. They didn't, in fact, they instigated division and were quite willing to recognize whoever further weakened Germany. In fact, Bavaria almost became its own republic under communists in that period, which only fell through German's own blood and sweat. >They were then killed and destroyed by Nazi Germany,and backstabbed by Soviets.And betrayed by Western Allies. Oh no, they just got their due, for thinking that they'd be let go after having just had a party the whole period since 1918 and abusing their victim status.

2 hours later 6011621 Anonymous
>>6011343 >the whites had any intent of going after Poland when they were already hard pressed with dealing with not just the bolsheviks but also Macno's black army in Ukraine Lol, but if we had helped them they would have won and strengthen, then they would have attacked Poland.

2 hours later 6011627 Anonymous
i dont care for poland. i never met a pole. though, i met many half breed poles or germans with polish origin and these are mostly dicks.

2 hours later 6011630 Anonymous
Continuing this: >>6011616 And replying to this dickhead: >>6011466 >Then they suffered communist regime for half a century. They got put down like a rabid dog, and then reduced to their historic borders, then eventually communism fell. Poland is now a liberal country that isn't as shitty as most in Eastern Europe, so I guess the occupation didn't suck as much as most say. >Really,your points are so meaningless that I'm wondering why is anyone replying to you at all.I am hoping you are trolling or something,because if not you're fucking stupid. Really, I wonder why I bothered replying back at someone so biggoted as you.

2 hours later 6011673 Anonymous (134687417584.png 1500x1374 468kB)
>>6011627 I'm sure you meet a pole every time you walk down a street.

3 hours later 6011691 Anonymous
>>6011630 >so I guess the occupation didn't suck as much as most say Fuck you are retarded, believe me if you would live in Poland in this fifty years you will be not saying such bullshit. Not to mention that we would be much more advanced.

3 hours later 6011695 Anonymous
>>6011630 >their historic borders So historic borders of Russia aren't those they have now. Should Russia be divided between Tatarstans, Siberian tribes and so on?

3 hours later 6011719 Anonymous
>>6011616 Uruguay thinks that more then 200years of existence was not enough fine for us and that was the reason we got back stabbed and betrayed LOLED

3 hours later 6011723 Anonymous
>>6011673 Lithuanian scum strikes again. Fortunately, day by day more people see how much retarded you are.

3 hours later 6011733 Anonymous (images.jpg 160x160 6kB)
>>6011723

3 hours later 6011761 Anonymous
>>6009488 > Who cares how many nations hate us? We will be always here, several tried, all failed. i know that feel kolega.

3 hours later 6011781 Anonymous
>>6011695 +1 Fucked up logic of Urugay

3 hours later 6011782 Anonymous (1347346938959.png 520x620 18kB)
>>6011761 >kolega

3 hours later 6011794 Anonymous
>>6011616 >True to a fault, but they were also an empire Look at historic maps.And tell me Poland-Lithuania was aggressive expanding empire,like Russia or Austria.You don't know shit about history,at least not that part of history. >it was aggressive self defense. How about I come to your house now,and kill you and your family,because you are obviously hating Poles,Poles are Slavs,and I'm a Slav.Do you see any logic here? >The Russian Empire was an attempt at a Slavic union Under autocratic rule of some faggot of German descent,who ruled only because he crawled out of the right pussy.Poland during interwar period had a much more righteous cause for Slavic unity,read about it.It wasn't perfect of course,no country or idea is perfect. >They didn't, in fact, they instigated division Yeah,I read about those Polish hordes raping and killing people across Germany after WWI.Please.Germany lost nothing.However,if they were bordering Soviet Union with Poland,they would probably lose much more. >Oh no, they just got their due, for thinking that they'd be let go after having just had a party the whole period since 1918 and abusing their victim status. Again,this is your retarded thinking.Do you have any fucking idea how Poland was destroyed during WWII,or how many Poles died at the hand of regime which was ready to kill most of Eastern Europe?If that's your way of getting due,it's really retarded. All I'm saying,Poland is not the kind of evil empire which you are presenting them to be.They had wrong doings,but they are meaningless compared to most other European nations.

3 hours later 6011814 Anonymous
>>6011782 Lol, it's an internationalism.

3 hours later 6011815 Anonymous
>>6011761 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=patL2Z2USvw

3 hours later 6011822 Anonymous
>>6011761 Nie jestes sam.

3 hours later 6011941 Anonymous
>>6011815 i can't into polish.

3 hours later 6011995 Anonymous (1295971360979.jpg 468x588 78kB)
I love them, they were bros during Napoleonic Wars.

3 hours later 6012017 Anonymous
>>6011691 Maybe, but there wasn't such a societal breakdown as the polish love insisting there was. I don't think Poland went from being say... Rhodesia, into Zimbabwe. >>6011695 Russia is no longer a slavic nation, its got finnic and tatar influences since a long time, and I wish I were trolling. Its more akin to the USA now, than to ethnic republics like, say Poland and Hungary. >>6011719 I'd say its more about what went on during your whole story than a determinate number of years. >>6011794 It was an aggresive expanding empire that slowly took parts of the ancient Rus and actively colonized them, oppressing its orthodox populations. >How about I come to your house now,and kill you and your family,because you are obviously hating Poles,Poles are Slavs,and I'm a Slav.Do you see any logic here? So much for any pretense of not being a monkey, I see, you show what you are made of now. >nder autocratic rule of some faggot of German descent,who ruled only because he crawled out of the right pussy.Poland during interwar period had a much more righteous cause for Slavic unity,read about it.It wasn't perfect of course,no country or idea is perfect. Am not defending the monarchy, I feel it was retarded too

3 hours later 6012026 Anonymous
Continuing: >>6012017 And replying to: >>6011794 >Yeah,I read about those Polish hordes raping and killing people across Germany after WWI.Please.Germany lost nothing.However,if they were bordering Soviet Union with Poland,they would probably lose much more. You are taking my comments out of context and lowering yourself to petty name calling and trying to get out of the conversation. >Again,this is your retarded thinking.Do you have any fucking idea how Poland was destroyed during WWII,or how many Poles died at the hand of regime which was ready to kill most of Eastern Europe?If that's your way of getting due,it's really retarded. I do, and I feel like justice was done, the germans got kicked out of Poland, the poles got kicked out of Ukraine. All is good with the world. History is unfair, Poland was unfair, and got treated unfairly in kind. My computer crashed, hence why it took me a while to reply.

3 hours later 6012073 Anonymous
>>6012017 You're not really disproving any of my points.I was making an example of your logic,and you fail to see it and call me a monkey. Yeah,you're right,Poland is evil,deserved everything that happened to them.Go fuck yourself.It's pointless to discuss with the likes of you.

3 hours later 6012083 Anonymous
Note that the monkey commnet was because of the way you worded it. Also, Russia did attack Austria because of serbia, so.. apparently slavs are a bit ... too frisky with their filial relations.

3 hours later 6012089 Anonymous
>>6012017 >Russia is no longer a slavic nation, its got finnic and tatar influences since a long time, and I wish I were trolling. Its more akin to the USA now, than to ethnic republics like, say Poland and Hungary. But it doesn't refer to my question at all. Why do you judge Poland due to its borders and still compare them to the borders 1000 years ago but you don't see that other countries had different borders too. Especially your lovely Russia whose borders 1000 years ago were far far shittier than nowadays.

3 hours later 6012093 Anonymous
I don't hate Poland. I don't know anyone from Poland, but they have some good decisions when picking colors for their flag.

3 hours later 6012098 Anonymous
>>6012017 >Maybe, but there wasn't such a societal breakdown as the polish love insisting there was. >I don't think Poland went from being say... Rhodesia, into Zimbabwe. "maybe" is very good word - you haven't lived here during this period, your family or close relatives haven't lived here, you don't know this period from history of Poland perspective and basically your argument here is nonsense.

3 hours later 6012127 Anonymous
my grandfather hates pollacks. he also hates blacks, brazilians and "cuboricans".

3 hours later 6012135 Anonymous
>>6012089 +1 He provides argument for his thesis but don't apply it equally to all countries but only to one, this is retarded logic.

3 hours later 6012169 Anonymous
>>6012127 how about jews?

3 hours later 6012205 Anonymous
>>6012169 His grandfather is probably Jew

3 hours later 6012229 Anonymous
>>6012073 >You're not really disproving any of my points I did with the relevant ones, and if you feel am being unfair, well, I guess I have nothing more to say. I do feel you'd be behaving like the russians if you applied the 'If he hurts a slav, I am a slav, I'll go and hurt him because am a slav' though, which makes you just as narrow headed as them. >>6012098 In that you are right, but I still feel you are all exagerating and stopping short of comparing it to the holodomor. >>6012089 I do because Russia historically expanded to defend its borders, because of all the nomadic tribes that surrounded it, much like the USA. And much like the USA, its a mixing cauldron of several nations, because its 80% 'Russian' main ethnicity is closer to being at least a fourth finnic, a fifth tatar and the rest slav, than being 'pure' as some say. So its a nation state within its proper borders now. But if you feel am being unfair to 'homeland' ethnic republics like yours, you are free to complain, I guess.

3 hours later 6012235 Anonymous
>>6012169 no I think he's actually pretty indifferent to jews. he mostly dislikes poles because one of uncles married a polish woman and he did not get along with her family. as for the brazilians and cuboricans, he dislikes them because they started moving into the neigborhood he's lived in for 50+ years and shitting up the place. oh and he REALLY hates yuppies.

3 hours later 6012265 Anonymous
>>6012205 nah he's a 100% irish-american from charlestown, ma. if you called him a jew he'd probably break your nose.

3 hours later 6012276 Anonymous
>>6012235 What's a yuppie? I've heard a few americans comment on them but never figured out what a yuppie was.

3 hours later 6012293 Anonymous
>>6012229 > >I do because Russia historically expanded to defend its borders, because of all the nomadic tribes that surrounded it, much like the USA. LOL xDDDD "Poland historically expanded to defend its borders because of all the Slavic and German tribes that surrounded it, much like the USA. And much like the USA, its a mixing cauldron of several nations, because its 80% 'Polish' main ethnicity is closer to being at least a fourth German, a fifth Jewish and the rest slav, than being 'pure' as some say.

3 hours later 6012313 Anonymous
>>6012293 Except Poland was surrounded of civilized peoples who had cities, cultures and their own religions. Like Lithuania, the Kievan Rus, Bohemia, the German states and so on.

3 hours later 6012342 Anonymous
>>6012276 rich kids with a college education who moved to the city. Residents complain because they drive up the cost of real estate and change the feel of the neighborhood. A lot of neigborhoods in Boston like Charlestown and Southie that were once predominantly Irish and Italian Catholics are turning into yuppie land with lots of expensive condos and organic coffee shops on every corner.

3 hours later 6012372 Anonymous
>>6012313 Pretty much this, although the Germans were quick to convert the pagans (northern crusades) and attack Novgorod.

3 hours later 6012394 Anonymous
>>6012293 Not to mention that the only ones who had designs over Poland, were the Germans, who did expand in your direction, a lot. But where did you decide to make your stomping ground... Berlin? Rostok? Of course not! Obviously not rightful slavic stolen clay. But sure, why not steal the clay of your brethren to the east? (which is what you did)

3 hours later 6012417 Anonymous
>>6012313 >implying Siberian tribes hadn't cultures and religions >implying that it changes something, Are 'uncivilized' people untermenschen so we can steal their land and we will see defenders from Uruguay who will explain our aggression? Besides, Russia now owns Kaliningrad oblast, some of former Mongolian territories which in 12-13th century belonged to the biggest empire of the world. Should Russia have them?

3 hours later 6012438 Anonymous (ähm_6599541265.png 642x715 20kB)
Only the poles who post on the internet deserve hate. The rest I cannot be bothered to care about.

3 hours later 6012462 Anonymous
>>6012417 Kaliningrad used to be Konigsberg for at least 8 centuries before this one. Mongolia and most of the lands east of the ancient rus were deserted lands which housed nomadic tribes and no cities except a few big trading posts around the urals, everything past the urals was even less developed. The 'great empire of the mongols' wasn't anywhere close to being the Urals and far eastern siberia, but the mongolian steppe lands south of siberia and central asia.

3 hours later 6012496 Anonymous
>>6012417 Siberian Turkic peoples have always attacked the East Slavs. They were less peaceful then what'd you'd think. Although, the indigenous Finnic people of Karelia were probably more peaceful than the Pechenegers, Tatars etc. Kievan Rus' and Novgorod profited more from trade than wars. I doubt west Ukraine would've been so Catholic if it weren't for some certain expansions... But I don't blame contemporary Polish/Lithuanians for it, but you can make the choice to promote or disapprove your country's history.

3 hours later 6012498 Anonymous
>>6012417 And I didn't argue that the russians went east because they were uncivilized, but simply because they had no way of defending themselves from the east, because of how defenseless it was. It was an organic growth. Poland's advance over Lithuania (by cheating on the lithuanians and eventually subverting their monarchy to Poland's side) and Ukraine was a process that took them to war with Moscowy, Novgorod and the cossack hetmanates a shitload of wars.

3 hours later 6012521 Anonymous
>>6012496 Karelia associated itself quite freely to Novgorod and the several different russian states that have possesed it ever since.

3 hours later 6012524 Anonymous (Europe_814.png 1393x1075 235kB)
>>6012462 Well Konigsberg was baltic before that,

3 hours later 6012535 Anonymous
>>6012462 Answer my question. Should Russia own Kaliningrad and the territories of Southern and Eastern Siberia which belonged to former Mongolian Empire?

3 hours later 6012553 Anonymous
>>6012535 http://aulosinternet.wikispaces.com/file/view/map_07_Mongol_Empire_Map.jpg/209813962/map_07_Mongol_E mpire_Map.jpg I mean all those orange lands.

3 hours later 6012565 Anonymous
>>6012524 You can blame the Teutonic Order for that... and the Polish who invited them to invade the region too. >>6012535 Konigsberg/Kaliningrad never belonged to Mongolia. Siberia was a no man's land (or more like, a sparsely populated land by yakuts and others) which wasn't ruled by Mongolia at any period.

3 hours later 6012580 Anonymous
>>6012565 But Kaliningrad or Konigsberg belonged to Baltic and then to German nations. Should it be Russian? I pasted a map of Mongolian territories.

3 hours later 6012585 Anonymous
>>6012524 The Prussians (whom the Germans stole their name from) were pretty much either wiped out/extremely assimilated or taken into the crusading forces by the Germanic crusaders. Funny how a lot of Balts look up to Germans, yet those conflict/dat history.

3 hours later 6012606 Anonymous
>>6012524 There was no Königsberg when it was Baltic.

3 hours later 6012611 Anonymous
>>6012553 The only land according to this that Mongolia should own, is mostly under the Kazakhs, and a part is also tatarstan and the urals. Those lands were eventually settled by the Russians, but do have tatars, I agree there that they are settled yes. It did take them years to destroy the khanate of Kazan too, yes. They destroyed it because it kept raiding them, alongside with its previous state, the Golden Horde.

3 hours later 6012619 Anonymous
>>6012580 It shouldn't. I agree with you there, it was Stalin's invention.

3 hours later 6012626 Anonymous
>>6012565 >You can blame the Teutonic Order for that... and the Polish who invited them to invade the region too. I'd rather blame Russians for it. Because I want. The same logic you blame Poland for everything 'evil' in this part of Europe.

3 hours later 6012632 Anonymous
>>6012606 Yeah, sorry I wrote in a bad not how I meant it,I meant the region not the city.

3 hours later 6012637 Anonymous
>>6012580 Those lands were originally Cuman lands, but they were pretty much extinct/joined Mongol forces to take out the Rus'. Should Mongols have it? Besides, the indigenous peoples of Siberia (yakutsk, buryat) live in their own cities, or with Russians in cities like Novosibirsk/Irkutsk.

3 hours later 6012644 Anonymous
>>6012632 in a bad way*

3 hours later 6012649 Anonymous
>>6012606 There was a settlement, town Karalauči.

3 hours later 6012657 Anonymous
>>6012626 Except you were the guys who asked the Pope to send the Teutonic Order. And once you were done using them to wipe out the baltics... you annexed them.

3 hours later 6012676 Anonymous
>>6012626 No, he explained it well: Catholic crusading armies swept over the Baltics (with the help of Catholic Poland) to attack the pagan Lithuanians/Orthodox Russians.

3 hours later 6012696 Anonymous
I should also mention that the Teutonic Order also was brought to those lands because the danes and Swedish requested it as well as Poland.

3 hours later 6012709 Anonymous
>>6012676 Well crusades did jack shit,only samogitians got into trouble.

4 hours later 6012786 Anonymous
>>6012709 Gee, that reminds me. Is it true that the estonians believe that the Armor clad Knights who fought against the Novgorodians at Narva, where actually all eesti troops fighting russians?

4 hours later 6012801 Anonymous
>>6012786 Sorry don't know about that.

4 hours later 6012832 Anonymous
>>6012637 I don't care who really should own it, I just want to show that Uruguay is totally biased, because he notices "historical borders" only when he talks about Poland. Nearly every country changed its borders during the history and usually they did it in wars. Russia conquered a lot of non-slavic territories and even if they weren't overcrowded it's still aggressive expansion (I believe you know about Russian wars with Siberian settlers during 16-17th centuries).

4 hours later 6012862 Anonymous
>>6012832 And you expanded under the guise of 'civilizing' your 'untermenschen' eastern orthodox slavic brothers to the grorious pope shitfuckery.

4 hours later 6012878 Anonymous
I like it since i've been to poland . Friendly people and cheap prices.

4 hours later 6012883 Anonymous
>>6012858 Yes, I read that in the article, hence why I lel'd and wondered a little, if its real or just historical revisionism.

4 hours later 6012893 Anonymous
I find that poles are generally ugly people with huge foreheads. I don't know what it is, but every polish girl I've met has had a comically large forehead.

4 hours later 6012907 poland
>>6009488 10/10 would read again

4 hours later 6012913 Anonymous
>>6012893 Like Olivia Wilde? She's hot. I want to get in that.

4 hours later 6012914 Anonymous
And we don't have to talk about Russia only, Italy owns territories which were settled by Greeks before, England owns the Celtic ones (actually, half of the Europe owns former Celtic lands, gibe clay to Ireland plx).

4 hours later 6012930 Anonymous
>>6012832 No, not really. Russia was always at war with the Turkic people (ever since the Khazars and Cumans raided Rus' land for slaves), whereas the borders with Poland and Kiev' Rus/Novgorod were different, like he explained in his post long up.

4 hours later 6012945 Anonymous
>>6012913 I was mainly talking about girls I knew IRL, but if Olivia is indeed polish then fug :DDDDD

4 hours later 6012964 Anonymous
>>6012945 No she's not, she's Irish. But she does have a huge forehead.

4 hours later 6012984 Anonymous
>>6012862 Bitches don't know about my religious tolerance. Seriously, some people don't like Poland, I get it. But you try so hard that you must be really upset about something. Some Lithuanians are not as mad as you. You outlit the Lithuanians, congratulations.

4 hours later 6012992 Anonymous
>>6012862 And? Is "slavic bond" something more important than religion bond connecting us with popery?

4 hours later 6012994 Anonymous
They're the most bearable minority here. We need to remove Goulash though.

4 hours later 6013004 Anonymous (1347280812001.png 338x392 51kB)
>tfw there will never be a history board on 4chan

4 hours later 6013041 Anonymous
>>6012992 No, but while I don't agree with 'slavic bond' because of all its primitive and simian connotations, I believe that its quite retarded that you feel more bond with a child molester that sits in Rome, than with your neighbours. And that you'd use such a retarded alibi for invading them.

4 hours later 6013044 Anonymous
Poles in real life: Mostly bros. Poles on /int/: Mostly butthurt, easily trolled idiots.

4 hours later 6013054 Anonymous
>>6013004 Yes, I hate that feel too.

4 hours later 6013064 Anonymous (1345113340440.jpg 480x360 31kB)
i know Vilnius is a nice city, but man, you have lost this clay. Get over it. You are not getting it back.

4 hours later 6013093 Anonymous
>>6013041 >No, but while I don't agree with 'slavic bond' because of all its primitive and simian connotations, I believe that its quite retarded that you feel more bond with a child molester that sits in Rome, than with your neighbours. And that you'd use such a retarded alibi for invading them. That pretty much sums up Poland's history with their neighbours to the East. How do you know so much history, Urugayan-bro?

4 hours later 6013111 Anonymous
>>6013041 Unfortunately, we couldn't feel a bond with your Russia because as you said 80% of them aren't slavic at all. So don't be mad we hate Russia, we just aren't able to love those finnic tribes.

4 hours later 6013129 Anonymous
>>6013093 I am a rabid fan of history books cos AoE 2 and all those feels. >>6013111 Its okay polski, I think they agree with you there. Just make sure you remember Katyn the right way, that is, that you'll get a Katyn and worse each time you encroach on them.

4 hours later 6013276 Anonymous
>>6013111 Yet that child molester in Rome is one helluva guy to collaborate with. >>6013129 I too played a lot of AoE2, but you should check out Medieval 2 Total War, it pretty much revolves around what we're discussing. And this: >>6013004

4 hours later 6013294 Anonymous (W6lOnScQH96.jpg 450x373 73kB)
Uruguay excuse all countries except Poland partly by some historical facts/partly by some nomad/non-nomad/historic/non-historic lines/attacking/defending etc. divides he created based on some small fractures of overall history to get backup for his theory that Poland was aggressor all history and all fucks up we got are results of these. Nigga this is officially approved - you went full retarded.

4 hours later 6013297 Anonymous (1344178344771.png 285x276 66kB)
>>6013276 >tfw playing Medieval Total War 2:Kingdoms expansion with Lithuania and getting invaded from every side

4 hours later 6013313 Anonymous
>>6013294 If you read the thread, you'd realize that his arguments for why Poland hasn't always been the victim are quite plausible for how Poland and Russia expanded in their own ways, by different motives.

4 hours later 6013336 Anonymous
>>6013129 So I don't know why you used this "slavic" argument, because due to your own "researches" of Russian genes, it doesn't make sense at all. And actually, I'm pleased with our present borders, because those lands on the east are too poor and now Poles are minority there. But your "historical" arguments are just stupid, you try to convince me that we are guilty of attacking "slavic" brothers whereas those slavic tribes also attacked Polish ones. Here is an extract from the chronicles of Nestor: W leto 6489 ide Wołodimer' k Liachom' i zaja grady ich: Peremyszl', Czerwien', i iny grady jeże sut' do sego dnie pod' Rusiu. W sem że letie i Wiaticzi pobiedi i wiezłożi na nia dan' ot niaouga, jakoże otci (otec) jego imasze. what means more or less that Wladymyr, the ruler of Rus attacked lands of "Lachs" (proto-Polish tribes). So I don't understand why you still blame only us for expansion.

4 hours later 6013360 Anonymous
>>6013294 >poland exists like a normal country >nobody gives a shit, leaves it alone >poland begins growing >still nobody gives a shit >lithuanian king takes crown, poland begins thinking it can into space, its kings at times become also kings of hungary >delusions, delusions everywhere >poland begins into the baltic and expulses the teutonic knights once they began becoming a force to be reckoned >germany, the ruthenians and swedes slowly begin getting pissed >poland continues for some 200, having intermitent wars with sweden, russian states and german states >eventually poland gets its ass handed back to it for another 200 years >we were victims, pls halp

4 hours later 6013395 Anonymous
>>6013297 Download Stainless Steel, you can play as Lithuania (they're usually raided in the crusades by Germans and Poles, but they're fun to play as). http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=314 http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=417435 Here you go, Totalwarbro :)

4 hours later 6013398 Anonymous
>>6012657 Not we, just one duke of weak Mazovia. Second, he did this because of attacks carried by prussian tribes. Third, they cheated us and forged documents. It's not our fault they were dicks.

4 hours later 6013401 Anonymous
>>6013129 >Its okay polski, I think they agree with you there. Just make sure you remember Katyn the right way, that is, that you'll get a Katyn and worse each time you encroach on them. How do you justify killing 20000 men?Because Poles occupied Moscow in 1612.?Because they defended against Soviets?Do you know what are you talking about? Why do you support Polish enemies so much?Isn't it clearly obvious greater injustices were done to Polish people than reverse?Every fucking historian agrees on this,except you.Really,if that isn't proof,I don't know what is. And how do you explain most Slavs like Poles,but a lot of Slavs don't like Russians?Isn't it clear who did more injustice?How do I fucking explain it to you,what part don't you understand?

4 hours later 6013402 Anonymous
>>6013336 I agree that Poland is okay now. It wasn't just your 'slavic brothers', what am talking about here, is that Poland went bananas on half of eastern europe, then expected everybody to love it. But that didn't happen, the lithuanians, the belarussians and ukrainians ended up preferring russian lordship and supported it until they figured that they weren't better masters than the poles, and kicked them out.

4 hours later 6013408 Anonymous
>>6013360 Could you now write this story from perspective of Germany, Russia and Austria using same rules? That would give us total understanding of your view. I'm really keen to get it.

4 hours later 6013416 Anonymous (1344099340001.png 200x148 10kB)
>>6013395 Thanks, but I'm already playing Stainless Steel at the moment. :3

4 hours later 6013451 Anonymous
>>6013398 >relativise the way the teutonic knights got there. Okay whatever. sure, they forged documents and stuff. This is becoming a zero sum. Its obvious poland will always err to defend itself. >>6013401 >a lot of slavs like poles Maybe because you live in Montenegro, where anti-russian bias exists in every single thing, because of how russians are seen as pro-serbian and pro-orthodox. >>6013408 'Germany' didn't exist as a single state, it'd be a pain in the ass to try to figure out how to describe its history in a long but yet concise way. Austrians were dickheads who sought to do things the same way Poland did though, except that they did MUCH, but MUCH more harm.

4 hours later 6013472 Anonymous
>>6013451 >austrians did much, much harm And I forgot to say, they also got 'rewarded' by history, in a way, although not harsh enough.

4 hours later 6013480 Anonymous
>>6013360 >>germany, the ruthenians and swedes slowly begin getting pissed >Poles invite Teutons and give them some lands >Teutons break treaties and attack Poland >Their state is growing, because they steal Polish clay >Poland tries to get the clay back >Bad Poland, "Germany" (whatever it is in 16th century) has right to be pissed

4 hours later 6013499 Anonymous
>>6013472 Continuing further. Hell, I wish the slovenians and the croats actually invaded Austria and raped it out of the map. I don't like either of those peoples, but I certainly I don't like austrian 'contributions' to the shit they've done. >>6013480 >poland tries to get the clay back What clay? Semigallian? Old Prussian? What clay man?

4 hours later 6013509 Anonymous
>>6013499 Toruń, Gdańsk

4 hours later 6013515 Anonymous
>>6013451 >Maybe because you live in Montenegro, where anti-russian bias exists in every single thing, because of how russians are seen as pro-serbian and pro-orthodox. But that's wrong,everyone loves Russians here,they were our historic allies.I know that because I live here.You don't. Okay,now tell me one righteous state in existence,or history,according to your standards?

4 hours later 6013517 Anonymous
>>6013451 If not Germany so maybe Prussia? And Russia ? Please.

4 hours later 6013535 Anonymous
>>6013517 I meant write similar history for them as for Poland using same rules.

4 hours later 6013555 Anonymous (Axis Invasion of Czechslovakia.png 800x322 80kB)
Fucking nazis

4 hours later 6013563 Anonymous
British builders: *piss in sinks *fuck off after 1pm *never do job properly *ugly school drop outs Polish builders: *arrive on time *do a good job professionally *very cheap *can speak better english than the british builders thankyou Adalbert for your excellent work on my house

4 hours later 6013576 Anonymous
>>6013509 Am not sure how those ended up under the Teutonic Order, but the teutons didn't one day come in ships uninvited and suddenly had polish clay under them. >>6013515 Obviously none. Countries can't be righteous, just people. >>6013535 'Prussia' for instance, grew on the heaps of what used to be the teutonic order's remaining territories and armies, and became Germany's unificator, while riding on stolen clay, stolen identity, stolen everything. Including Silesia. But the thread isn't about them. You are obviously raving mad now.

4 hours later 6013586 Anonymous
>>6013580 That's like russia.

4 hours later 6013590 Anonymous
>>6013451 Lol. That's the facts. Even more, Poland was divided into lots of lesser feudal states at the moment, so you know, you can't blame that one on us as a whole. And fuck, really, you know how Poland became a major power in that region? BY UNION. Against Teutonic Knights from our point of view and against Russia from point of view of GDL. Even more, the lands of Belarus and Ukraine were conquered by GDL, not by us. We granted ruthenian nobility in Ukraine the same rights as for polish nobility. And we didn't forced them to polonize. And Montenebro is right - there's certainly more hate towards Russia in Ukraine and Belarus than towards us. You know why? We didn't force anything on anybody. Hell, by standards of these times we were fucking angels, and only cossacks could argue against this. Yeah, we have some fucked up pages in our history, but it's not nearly as bad as you try to portrait it. Let me quote Chesterton on that matter: I judged the Poles by their enemies. And I found it was an almost unfailing truth that their enemies were the enemies of magnanimity and manhood. If a man loved slavery, if he loved usury, if he loved terrorism and all the trampled mire of materialistic politics, I have always found that he added to these affections the passion of a hatred of Poland. She could be judged in the light of that hatred; and the judgment has proved to be right. G.K. Chesterton

4 hours later 6013595 Anonymous
>>6013576 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_takeover_of_Danzig_%28Gda%C5%84sk%29 Read it.

4 hours later 6013621 Anonymous
>>6013586 I wrote something wrong so I deleted my comment, but did you reply to it? My intention was to say that Poland's image is always the victim, yet Russia is always seen as the aggressor (although I'm NOT justifying things like Kathyn and Stalin's deportation of the Balts and other attrocities, but it's important to see it from a different perspective, same with Poland!).

4 hours later 6013638 Anonymous
>>6013576 >Obviously none. Countries can't be righteous, just people. Look,lesser evil>greater evil.That's the whole point everyone is trying to tell you here.Life isn't fair always.But you don't get it.You are basically comparing mass murderer with thief,and explaining how thief should get same sentence as former.

4 hours later 6013639 Anonymous
>>6013590 >the lithuanians were at fault! It wasn't polish-lithuania, it was all the lithuanians fault! >of course, it wasn't us who forced them to polonize, oh no >the ukrainians and the belarussians love us, they think we are a better ruler than the russians ever were Citations needed everywhere in this one, its obvious that you are erring in Poland's favor and being biased.

4 hours later 6013647 Anonymous
>>6013621 There is a polish butthurt mod who keeps deleting things at the times he feels like it.

4 hours later 6013648 Anonymous
>>6013576 I'm trying to understand your logic on their examples (as for Poland it make no sense for me) as you are clearly stating that these countries just pay us back for shit we've done and you are saying thread is not about them. WTF? I assume their history should be coherent with ours as even as per your judgment and rules you are using to describe it. I want you to wrote similar ones because I have a feeling that you are not able to do it in same way without breaking your theory. Give it to me please and I would be keen to admit that your theory could be true.

4 hours later 6013661 Anonymous
>>6013621 I know and acknowledge that russia is mostly seen as aggressor. But, the aspect of both countries that I find similar is that they both seriously believe the never were the aggressor. And that's why I've made that post.

4 hours later 6013666 Anonymous
>>6013638 And am trying to make the same point come accross. You keep making it as if Poland wasn't at fault of anything, and feeding off that 'victim' argument for everything. The truth is that Poland got what it deserved, and can't deal with it.

4 hours later 6013668 Anonymous
>>6013639 Em look at the map: http://magazyn.o.pl/wp-content/i/2010/07/mapa-polski-za-panowania-wladyslawa-ii-jagielly-1386-1434-5 40x531.jpg?9d7bd4 this is the map of GDL and Poland just after the union. GDL had conquered those territories BEFORE we made the union.

4 hours later 6013688 Anonymous
>>6013668 >Vladislav Jagielleon Oh, look, a polish king in Lithuania.

4 hours later 6013689 Anonymous
>>6013590 Again, we've been discussing history pre-Soviet/WW2, his comments are irrelevant. >And Montenebro is right - there's certainly more hate towards Russia in Ukraine and Belarus than towards us I'd say the hate towards Poles in Ukraine has been high http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia, and the same the other way http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paw%C5%82okoma_massacre (although lesser). Just fucking face it, we have all been victims and aggressors.Poland was more of an aggressor back in the day, Russia/Soviet more closer (ww2, Katyn).

4 hours later 6013699 Anonymous
>>6013639 >>of course, it wasn't us who forced them to polonize, oh no http://lt.wikisource.org/wiki/1791_05_03_Lenkijos_Karalyst%C4%97s_ir_Lietuvos_Did%C5%BEiosios_Kuniga ik%C5%A1tyst%C4%97s_konstitucija Look, the most important act of the state translated into Lithuanian language. Because we respected their right to use their own language, unfortunately they don't nowadays

4 hours later 6013700 Anonymous
>>6013688 Woah what happened to my flag?

4 hours later 6013729 Anonymous
wtf gib my flag back

5 hours later 6013735 Anonymous
Piss, fuck, am blind. Where the fuck is my flag, where's mah uruguayan flag!?!

5 hours later 6013745 Anonymous
>>6013700 Poland seems to have been annexed by Lithuania. Wait some time for geo ip data to update. No seriously, you are that buttdevistated mod, aren't you?

5 hours later 6013753 Anonymous
>>6013688 Em I don't understand your irony as I guess.

5 hours later 6013759 Anonymous
>>6013745 Seems that we're all fucked.

5 hours later 6013760 Anonymous
Testing.

5 hours later 6013771 Anonymous (1345820683552.gif 450x258 1870kB)
>>6013688 So what you're saying is that Lithuanians are responsible for everything, ok.

5 hours later 6013810 Anonymous
>>6013745 The 'oah what happened my flag?' was me, the uruguayan guy. >>6013771 No, just noting the Wladislaw is an obviously lithuanised slavic name, that is more like Vladislav. But... whatever, feel free to believe what you want.

5 hours later 6013828 Anonymous (image002.jpg 720x1025 112kB)
>>6013639 Lol, but that's true - Ukrainian (except for west, which was Halich-Volhynia and became our vassals in medieval times) and Belarusian lands were conquered by Lithuania. It's a fact, you can't deny it. And yeah, we didn't had to force shit, because polish was seen as a language of culture - hell, in XVI c. at the russian court they spoke polish. Did we force them? What do you think? Ukrainians certainly don't love us, but still, those from West Ukraine hate Russia more. As for Belarus, you can ask them on /int/ - they don't show any animosity. One Belarussian guy I worked with even told me, that belarussian is closer to polish than to russian. (Of course he was forced to say it, I know).

5 hours later 6013847 Anonymous
>>6013810 I don't know what the fuck is going on right now.

5 hours later 6013860 Anonymous
>>6013666 But that's the problem,truth is Poland was more severely punished than for example Germany,or Russia,or France,or UK,for their crimes,which are in broad perspective meaningless.And everyone agrees on that,except you.Just two examples: >Sweden was involved in killing roughly 1/3 of German population.Not punished,only lost Finland.Also devastated half of Poland,burning and killing everything. >Germany killed tens of millions of men,in both wars,especially Second.Now they are richest nation in Europe,and only suffered some 10 years of occupation,except Eastern part. On the other hand,Poland didn't exist as a state for 100 years,and then suffered communist repressive regime which by all accounts worsened their situation.How is that deserved,in any moral and logical sense? And for the last time,Poles aren't superhuman race without any faults,they of course had many,but they are rather small compared to rest.That's the whole point dude.

5 hours later 6013888 Anonymous
>>6013810 I still cannot understand what you mean. Do you know who Władysław Jagiełło (or Jogaila) was? What was his nationality?

5 hours later 6013899 uruguayanhistoryfag
>>6013860 Germany gets a lot of hate,

5 hours later 6013911 uruguayanhistoryfag
>>6013860 And... Sweden doesn't get enough hate

5 hours later 6013932 Anonymous
>>6013828 >Ukrainians certainly don't love us, but still, those from West Ukraine hate Russia more That's just like, your opinion, man. >because polish was seen as a language of culture - hell, in XVI c. at the russian court they spoke polish Citation needed

5 hours later 6013963 uruguayanhistoryfag
>>6013860 And nobody is punishing poland, just saying that all the Polish victimism gets boring and is quite abused. Much like how the Juice go full holo-mode whenever somebody talks up their ass.

5 hours later 6014007 Anonymous
>>6013963 >And nobody is punishing poland, just saying that all the Polish victimism gets boring and is quite abused. That's simply what we're saying.

5 hours later 6014026 uruguayanhistoryfag
Yay, the flag are back. >implying its no longer HAPPENING

5 hours later 6014095 Anonymous
>>6013688 Who made that post, say what you meant by it?

5 hours later 6014118 uruguayanhistoryfag
>>6014095 I did. I meant it as a way to accuse the polish but... aside from how it looks like a slavic name, got no proof, so I'll pass on it...

5 hours later 6014131 Anonymous
>>6014026 And whoever made those posts above, will remain a mystery..

5 hours later 6014138 Anonymous
Ok whatever was said here, thanks for an interesting discussion, even though you don't agree with your interlocutor it's always interesting to read what people from other countries think, especially if their knowledge is really wide.

5 hours later 6014149 Anonymous
>>6014118 Well he was Lithuanian, that got baptized and got slavic name.

5 hours later 6014153 Anonymous
>>6014138 You are more than welcome. Please come any time! *waves off* I wish the flags went off more often though...

5 hours later 6014155 Anonymous
She's not a pole. She has lots of curves HAR HAR HAR

5 hours later 6014163 Anonymous
>>6014138 I must give him that.

5 hours later 6014177 Anonymous
Thank you all for this discussion. After all, what's a conversation without counter parts? I hope there's no bad feelings between our... eh, flags?

5 hours later 6014185 Anonymous
>>6013899 >>6013911 It's easier to like everybody,or don't give a fuck,instead of hating.

5 hours later 6014190 Anonymous
>>6014118 > I meant it as a way to accuse the polish but. Lol so now you showed you are really biased, your order is to accuse Poland, not to find the truth. If you want to know, Jagiełło (or Jogaila) was a Lithuanian (but his mother was Ruthenian/Russian)

5 hours later 6014213 Anonymous
>>6014177 I think it would be stupid to hate the whole country because we don't agree with one citizen.

5 hours later 6014224 Anonymous
>>6014190 Not him, but he probably meant: >accuse the Polish for the Lithuanian expansion Not for "lel Poland"'s sake.

5 hours later 6014239 Anonymous
>>6014185 I normally don't, but I was feeling like explaining my views now. Since I got all my posts deleted yesterday during the miedmorze thread. >>6014190 >ruthenian mother Oh, I see. That explains it. And yes, am sorry for having picked a straw there.

5 hours later 6014261 Anonymous
>>6014213 Of course, of course. We're all different, and that's what sadly these flags fail to show.

5 hours later 6014648 Anonymous (the_more_you_know1.jpg 500x330 28kB)
>this thread

6 hours later 6015489 Anonymous
>>6014648 Am looking forward to the next time... >goes back to fapping to something

7 hours later 6015871 Anonymous
No, but I would like them to return our clay.

7 hours later 6015891 Anonymous
>>6015871 >implying preussen You should ask the russians for konigsberg too.

15 hours later 6019306 Anonymous
>>6009222 Im dont know who u are you but thanks

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