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2012-09-06 05:23 5805291 Anonymous (1344248820730.jpg 532x398 159kB)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oye4rhUa2Fk USA please explain

2 min later 5805304 Anonymous
dem reds

2 min later 5805309 Anonymous
Stop embarrassing yourself, Texas.

2 min later 5805312 Anonymous
This is the absolute best thing.

4 min later 5805325 Anonymous
>>5805291 What else do you expect from the highly Christian republican party?

4 min later 5805326 Anonymous
>>5805309 this is not the change that i wanted.

4 min later 5805328 Anonymous
Why are people so anally devastated? This is NOTHING new.

6 min later 5805343 Anonymous
the stupid thing about that advert, is that people will not vote for Obama now, only because of that reason, romney could want to charge people to use oxygen, but that is ok, because he will stop gay marriages. please tell me that Americans wont fall for it?

8 min later 5805362 Anonymous (1345988799411.gif 160x120 958kB)
>>5805291 Oh America! NEVER CHANGE!!

8 min later 5805363 Anonymous
>>5805343 Americans won't fall for it. Probably. I think. ...

9 min later 5805379 Anonymous (MFW 29.png 207x217 97kB)
Top Comments >Some day this will be shown in a history class alongside images of segregation from the south and ads where woman are confined to the kitchen.

10 min later 5805389 Anonymous (1344354976440.gif 300x170 1462kB)
>>5805291 It's not the change they voted for. They don't want to catch the ghey. I don't see da problem.

10 min later 5805393 Anonymous
Wait, this isn't satire?

13 min later 5805407 Anonymous
>>5805393 No, it's not. We have a lot of retards in our country. We're not sure what to do about it.

13 min later 5805408 Anonymous
>>5805291 When I voted for a Communist utopia, I didn't include gay marriage. This commercial expresses my views perfectly as a former Obama supporter.

13 min later 5805410 Anonymous
>>5805393 no,is not.

14 min later 5805419 Anonymous
>Implying being gay isn't a mental illness Stay mad, faggots.

14 min later 5805420 Anonymous
This one is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg14hRntRpg

15 min later 5805426 Anonymous
I just want to marry another straight man and reap the benefits.

16 min later 5805431 Anonymous
>>5805426 There are more benefits to being single than married. The only thing married couples receive are tax breaks.

18 min later 5805441 Anonymous
>>5805291 >USA Please explain 194 likes, 18,796 dislikes Need I say more? >inb4 the internet =/= USA There will be a higher proportion of American viewers of the video.

19 min later 5805442 Anonymous (gay_marriage_opponents-1-731273.jpg 314x310 25kB)
America! NEVER CHANGE!!

20 min later 5805454 Anonymous
>>5805426 If there were that many benefits to being in a marriage, platonic couples would be doing it left and right. When was the last time you heard of such a thing?

22 min later 5805463 Anonymous
>>5805420 That's plain retarded

27 min later 5805503 Anonymous
This is why Texas can't have nice things

29 min later 5805519 Anonymous
>>5805420 Oh, Chuck. I am dissapoint.

29 min later 5805523 Anonymous
>>5805503 Texas has a lot of nice things.

29 min later 5805525 Anonymous (MFW 30.jpg 640x480 38kB)
>The amount of liberal in this thread

30 min later 5805529 Anonymous
>>5805523 It's true. Austin is arguably more liberal than the Pacific Northwest.

30 min later 5805531 Anonymous
>>5805525 What's you issue. Why are you so mad?

30 min later 5805532 Anonymous
>mfw !! zxDDD

31 min later 5805538 Anonymous
>>5805420 I'm amazed that anybody could ever take such melodramatic fear mongering seriously

34 min later 5805558 Anonymous
>>5805538 You must not be overly familiar with American politics. That's a run of the mill conservative celeb endorsement.

35 min later 5805571 Anonymous
This seems pants-on-head retarded to non-Americans, but here we see this kind of bullshit all the time so it's pretty standard stuff. I shit you not, I saw an ad on tv for the republican candidate in my state election that actually claimed in all seriousness that you should vote for him because his opponent "makes rude comments about women on the internet." I couldn't make that up if I tried.

35 min later 5805576 Anonymous
>>5805558 But it's fucking ridiculous. I feel like this is some sort of subtle troll.

36 min later 5805581 Anonymous
>>5805525 Don't tell me you're actually afraid of catching da ghey.

37 min later 5805590 Anonymous
>>5805571 >This seems pants-on-head retarded to non-Americans Trust me, as much as we see it, it still seems pants-on-head retarded to many of us as well. I've never gotten used to it.

37 min later 5805591 Anonymous
>>5805576 I really wish it way. That's not only not remarkable, it's convincing about 45% of the population.

39 min later 5805608 Anonymous
>>5805590 I mean, it does to me too. I should have been more clear and said it seemed unbelievable.

40 min later 5805626 Anonymous
You faggot had better find god.

41 min later 5805634 Anonymous (fffffff.jpg 120x126 4kB)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnP4JKi08 dose wacky republicans

42 min later 5805638 Anonymous
>>5805626 I have freedom not to believe in gods.

43 min later 5805654 Anonymous
>>5805634 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28UwAyzUkE

44 min later 5805658 Anonymous
>>5805634 >ask him to protect marriage Anyone else notice that they don't really go after divorce with the same fervor? I mean, what's really a greater threat to marriage than divorce?

44 min later 5805665 Anonymous
>>5805638 You heathen. May the lord send your horde back to the lake that burns, but does not consume. The joke is people think shit like this.

45 min later 5805669 Anonymous
>>5805654 lol retards from every corner

45 min later 5805672 Anonymous
>>5805658 Marriage had been dead for a while now, gays are beating a dead horse as far as I am concerned.

46 min later 5805675 Anonymous
>>5805654 That one's actually hilarious. And true. Fuck the Mormons.

46 min later 5805677 Anonymous
>>5805658 I wonder if the divorce rate would go down if gays could marry.

46 min later 5805679 Anonymous
>>5805654 That was one of the funniest political ads I've seen in a while. You really do get idiots on both side of the fence.

47 min later 5805686 Anonymous
>>5805638 eagleSheddingAsingleTear.jpg

48 min later 5805691 Anonymous
>>5805677 I'm not sure I see either effecting one another.

48 min later 5805692 Anonymous (images.jpg 225x225 9kB)
>>5805672 which is why you should let them do it and suffer already

49 min later 5805704 Anonymous
Listen Texas, you should know better than anyone that the family unity is crucial to the health of a country.

54 min later 5805737 Anonymous
Man I dunno Both american candidates are awful Republicans are dumb as bricks, nothing new here. Obama didn't do squat like president, lacks political experience and won a Nobel by killing Osama. You're screwed either way, USA.

55 min later 5805742 Anonymous
>>5805737 Mitt Romney is smart as fuck.

56 min later 5805756 Anonymous
>>5805742 He's also clueless. Obama isn't an idiot either, but he sure acts like one.

56 min later 5805758 Anonymous
>>5805737 Yeah, that's why I drink.

58 min later 5805768 Anonymous
>>5805737 >>5805742 >Both american candidates are awful Why not just vote for somebody else?

58 min later 5805776 Anonymous
>>5805756 He's not clueless, he just has no idea how to connect with a group of unsuccessful people as a successful white male.

58 min later 5805777 Anonymous
>>5805742 Yeah, but I mean the Party in general. Romney has to play along so they back him up. Same with Obama and the democrats. I actually like both of the guys, they seem like interesting people. But I doubt they can actually manage to be good presidents.

58 min later 5805778 Anonymous
>>5805768 >Implying I'm not I'm actually excited to vote for Gary Johnson. I would really like to see a presidency of his.

59 min later 5805782 Anonymous
>>5805768 Gary Johnson all the way

1 hours later 5805785 Anonymous
>>5805768 It's the way their political system is set up. If you want to be President but you're not backed up by one of the two big parties, you're doomed.

1 hours later 5805786 Anonymous
>>5805737 http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ He's actually done quite a bit, despite the fact that two years into his first term the Republicans gained control of the House and have been doing everything they can to maintain their reputation as the "Party of No".

1 hours later 5805793 Anonymous
>>5805768 Because of the way the system works, having a 3rd party candidate win is next to impossible.

1 hours later 5805801 Anonymous
>>5805782 nice, dude. brofist.jpg

1 hours later 5805806 Anonymous
>>5805793 only because you think it is in any case, Romney is more than acceptable as an alternative to Obama. any opinions otherwise are liberal media brainwashing, seriously. he's not bad, and i'm not even republican. most of his stances are quite reasonable and resonate strongly with a highly educated mind.

1 hours later 5805815 Anonymous
>>5805768 You mean like the sexy, smart, and entertaining Jill Stein? It's such a shame the Greens will never stand any kind of a chance at reaching the White House.

1 hours later 5805824 Anonymous
>>5805806 >only because you think it is No, because the electoral college is winner-takes-all. By design, if a third party gains currency, it's going to end up completely destroying one of the other two. (Like the way the Republicans destroyed the Whigs back in the 1860s)

1 hours later 5805827 Anonymous
I don't even

1 hours later 5805831 Anonymous
>>5805824 Again, point being, if everyone believed the third party could win and their views aligned with their own they would win. It's a matter of perception, no matter how improbable.

1 hours later 5805841 Anonymous (a64.jpg 666x666 60kB)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY This is a Ron Paul ad. It's very intense and IT'S HAPPENING http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8 That's from a senator in Alaska who was running for president. He literally stares at the camera for over a minute, throws a rock in the water and walks away. It's clearly the GOAT political ad.

1 hours later 5805842 Anonymous
>>5805786 Yeah, but that doesn't make my point less valid. Obama wants to do things. He faces constant opposition from the Republicans at the House. The country goes nowhere. Enjoy 4 more years of that. (Romney wouldn't have it easy either, that's why I said you're screwed--bipartisan politics work like that)

1 hours later 5805858 Anonymous
>>5805786 Obama is not effective at doing one of the most basic things he has promised and attempted to do, which is bring this country together by reaching across the aisle. That may not be his "fault", but it is the reality.

1 hours later 5805931 Anonymous (1346187891614.gif 400x225 2770kB)
This cant be real

1 hours later 5806006 Anonymous
>>5805841 That Ron Paul ad is actually really clever and professional. But the Alaska one is just insane. He should fire whoever thought that was a good idea.

1 hours later 5806008 Anonymous
>>5805841 wow, that video is pretty convincing

1 hours later 5806014 Anonymous
>>5806006 3deep5u

1 hours later 5806026 Anonymous
>>5805841 No fucking way. That one cannot be real.

1 hours later 5806076 Anonymous
>>5805841 >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8 Like a fucking boss. I duno what he stands for, but I'm sure as hell willing to listen to what that man has to say.

1 hours later 5806094 Anonymous
>>5806006 >insane 2deep4u Mike Gravel is a legend. He read the Pentagon Papers from the Senate floor so that they would be forced into public record. "On the night of June 29, 1971, Gravel attempted to read the papers on the floor of the Senate as part of his filibuster against the draft, but was thwarted when no quorum could be formed.[69] Gravel instead convened a session of the Buildings and Grounds subcommittee that he chaired.[69] He got New York Congressman John Dow to testify that the war had soaked up funding for public buildings, thus making discussion of the war relevant to the committee.[70] He began reading from the papers with the press in attendance,[69] omitting supporting documents that he felt might compromise national security,[71] and declaring, "It is my constitutional obligation to protect the security of the people by fostering the free flow of information absolutely essential to their democratic decision-making."[71] He read until 1 a.m., until with tears and sobs he said that he could no longer physically continue,[71] the previous three nights of sleeplessness and fear about the future having taken their toll.[8] Gravel ended the session by, with no other senators present, establishing unanimous consent[70] towards inserting 4,100 pages of the Papers into the Congressional Record of his subcommittee" What a fucking boss.

1 hours later 5806101 Anonymous (1346770951760.jpg 612x401 36kB)
>>5805841 >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY Holy motherfucking shit. That bitch gave me goosebumps.

1 hours later 5806102 Anonymous
>>5806026 >Two wordless, Warholesque campaign videos, "Rock" and "Fire", were released on YouTube in late May and became hits,[143] and eventually gained over 760,000 and 185,000 views respectively.[144][145] "Rock," in turn, was given airtime during an episode of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Some thirty-five years after he first achieved the national spotlight, he had found it again. GOAT

1 hours later 5806117 Anonymous
>thinking Romney is going to win

2 hours later 5806120 Anonymous
>>5806076 Shit man that was deeper than Evangelion

2 hours later 5806122 Anonymous
>>5806117 He is going to win.

2 hours later 5806139 Anonymous
>>5805393 >>5805393 Its post-ironic

2 hours later 5806181 Anonymous
>>5806094 Well, fuck, I take it back. That guy is a legend, Id vote for hm any day.

2 hours later 5806219 Anonymous
did anyone even read the small text at the end of the video? "not endorsed by any candidate or any candidate commitee" This is is really an anti Romney ad in disguise.

2 hours later 5806221 Anonymous
>>5806122 Nope. Current projections put an Obama victory at 331 electoral votes.

2 hours later 5806226 Anonymous
>>5806221 We'll see. If this country elects Obama, they deserve what they get. My hands are clean.

2 hours later 5806230 Anonymous
>>5806226 >they deserve what they get. A reasonably capable centrist politician?

2 hours later 5806236 Anonymous (1343749041001.png 241x228 104kB)
>>5806230 Trying to get me mad won't work! I'm immune!

2 hours later 5806248 Anonymous (morph.jpg 300x400 54kB)
>>5806236 As opposed to Shit Romney, Knight of the Frothy Table?

2 hours later 5806254 Anonymous (3d9.jpg 559x556 18kB)
>>5806248 >Shit Romney Thank you. This will be well used in the near future.

2 hours later 5806266 Anonymous
Who cares if people don't like gays or are you guys against free speech

2 hours later 5806269 Anonymous
>>5806266 >implying disliking campaign ads pushing inequality means we oppose free speech

2 hours later 5806270 Anonymous
>>5806230 Obama a centrist OH god muh sides they move on their own

2 hours later 5806276 Anonymous
>>5806266 I don't care if people want to say they don't like gays. That just makes them dicks. The problem is when gay are denied rights like marriage and legally treated differently from everyone else because you personally don't like them. 4/10 troll for making me respond.

2 hours later 5806277 Anonymous
>>5806270 Don't get mad! It's a jewish machination!

2 hours later 5806284 Anonymous
God, why do Republicans have to be so goddamn embarrassing?

2 hours later 5806285 Anonymous
>>5806276 I'm gay you jackass

2 hours later 5806289 Anonymous
>>5806276 marriage is a right of the church, it's a religious ceremony marriage as defined by the government is a different matter

2 hours later 5806303 Anonymous
>>5806270 >passes a healthcare bill that gives tons of new business to insurance companies >pursues an aggressive foreign policy that only seems mild because he didn't invade anybody the way Bushie did >shows/showed absolutely no interest in nationalizing the companies he bailed out >bailout was an adaptation of something Bush put into motion days before he left office >tons of tax cuts for small businesses that's a centrist. In anywhere but America, he'd be centre-right with some progressive social views.

2 hours later 5806309 Anonymous
>>5806289 Churches won't be forced to marry gays. They're just pushing for equal legal rights afforded to married couples. Quit attacking straw men.

2 hours later 5806317 Anonymous
>gay >marriage I really don't care about what consenting adults do in private, but the idea of gay marriage is just silly. Public manifestations of sexuality in general have gotten out of hand in Western countries. That said, I don't vote and I don't expect our horrible politicians to do what's right in this or pretty much any other situation. >>5805419 'Mental health' is socially constructed to a large extent it seems; the DSM classified homosexuality as a mental disorder until 1973. Modern psychology has its uses but it's largely BS.

2 hours later 5806319 Anonymous
>>5806309 I haven't attacked anything, I'm just putting forward a facet of the argument for many people. Another important factor is that the traditional family unit has been indicated to be extremely important in studies. It's the historical backbone of the US. Undermining it further is the main argument of many republicans against gay marriage.

2 hours later 5806324 Anonymous
>>5806317 >but the idea of gay marriage is just silly How is that any sillier than the idea that we need to socially recognize a sexual partnership between hetero couples? It's a social construct. They tend to be stupid when we deconstruct them.

2 hours later 5806326 Anonymous
>>5806324 What ISNT a social construct with you fags these days?

2 hours later 5806332 Anonymous
>>5806326 If you can produce a good argument that "DO you take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife" is anything but a social construct, I'm listening. Fucking autists.

2 hours later 5806337 Anonymous
>>5806309 >Churches won't be forced to marry gays. (different poster) Probably not but it isn't inconceivable. Federally-funded Church organizations have already been forced to provide employees with birth control (if you want your employer to cover birth control, fine, but why work for a Church-related institution if you expect this?) The Church lost most of its vitality centuries ago, anyway, so I guess it wouldn't really matter in the long run...

2 hours later 5806341 Anonymous
>>5806319 >Another important factor is that the traditional family unit has been indicated to be extremely important in studies. It's the historical backbone of the US. Undermining it further is the main argument of many republicans against gay marriage. How does this undermine "traditional" families? It's not like it's preventing straight families from forming (they're GAY couples, after all). It really doesn't affect the republicans. Only a bloody American would attempt to use such a silly argument.

2 hours later 5806356 Anonymous
>>5806337 >Federally-funded Church organizations have already been forced to provide employees with birth control (if you want your employer to cover birth control, fine, but why work for a Church-related institution if you expect this?) Not true if the Church can prove it's actually a religious institution. If it hires people that don't belong to its church and its administration doesn't belong to its church and it serves people that aren't from its church, "it violates our beliefs" really isn't a strong argument. It's only a church organization in name.

2 hours later 5806359 Anonymous
>>5806341 Because the existence of gay couples threatens the traditional family unit, it's fairly obvious.

2 hours later 5806361 Anonymous
>>5806332 So what if it's a social construct? It's also a very relevant legal construct that streamlines tax codes, parent/child relations, inheritance laws, and numerous other things in our system. What are you, a sixteen year old angry libertarian kid from the suburbs? You'll understand that these things are still relevant today whenever you leave your basement, honey.

2 hours later 5806364 Anonymous
>>5806359 You just repeated yourself. >How

2 hours later 5806372 Anonymous
>>5806324 >How is that any sillier than the idea that we need to socially recognize a sexual partnership between hetero couples? Matrimony was and to a large extent still is a fundamentally religious institution. I understand the financial incentive behind the whole homosexual union thing but the insistence on equating it to marriage is where they lose me.

2 hours later 5806378 Anonymous
>>5806361 You said "gay marriage is silly". I said "marriage in general is silly, as are most social constructs when you really think about them". I'm not sure what you're flipping out about. >It's also a very relevant legal construct that streamlines tax codes, parent/child relations, inheritance laws, and numerous other things in our system. That's precisely why gay marriage is an important issue. There are very practical reason for why it needs to be legal.

2 hours later 5806383 Anonymous
>>5805291 but romney is biggest faggot

2 hours later 5806384 Anonymous
>>5806372 >Matrimony was and to a large extent still is a fundamentally religious institution. No it's not. That's an ethnocentric view that's not accurate in a lot of cultures. Hell, it's not accurate in fucking WESTERN EUROPE.

3 hours later 5806385 Anonymous
>>5806384 >enthnocentric Cultural marxist detected.

3 hours later 5806401 Anonymous
>>5806384 >No it's not. That's an ethnocentric view that's not accurate in a lot of cultures. ...a minority of cultures, whose practices have absolutely no bearing on a discussion of marriage in the United States. Of course I'm being 'ethnocentric'. >Hell, it's not accurate in fucking WESTERN EUROPE. It has been for well over a millennium, modern degeneracy notwithstanding. no need to get worked up...

3 hours later 5806414 Anonymous
>It has been for well over a millennium The fuck does that mean? This isn't 1066. This isn't 1966. If those cultures have no bearing on this discussion, neither do the religious practices of long-dead people.

3 hours later 5806456 Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related LOL

3 hours later 5806486 Anonymous
>>5806414 >The fuck does that mean? Marriage has been a religious institution in Western societies since (at the very latest) the introduction of Christianity; efforts to change the fundamental nature of marriage are a very, very recent phenomenon and in my view completely illegitimate. I'm a moral absolutist who privately bemoans society's abandonment of tradition and seemingly inevitable dissolution into multiplicity and depravity. There's no point in getting angry over our differences in opinion because I really doubt that any discussion here is going to resolve them.

3 hours later 5806500 Anonymous
>>5806486 I'd have a hard time thinking of something dumber than what you just wrote, but hey, at least you have the balls to admit to something as stupid as moral absolutism based on the least absolute thing we have; tradition.

3 hours later 5806506 Anonymous
>>5806486 You know what, I disagree with you on a very primal and fundamental level, but at least you're honest so I'll accept that.

3 hours later 5806536 Anonymous
>>5806500 I hope for your sake that you don't get this upset every time you encounter someone with beliefs that differ significantly from your own. It's a big world out there. By tradition I don't mean something as amorphous and context-dependent as you probably think; I'm talking mostly about major religions and their orthodox interpretations.

3 hours later 5806549 Anonymous (hurr.png 300x300 14kB)
>>5806536 >I'm talking mostly about major religions and their orthodox interpretations. So it's based on religion? Well that makes it much more rational.

3 hours later 5806578 Anonymous
>>5806549 I don't recall laying claim to rationality...

3 hours later 5806587 Anonymous (1289591441693.png 342x408 147kB)
>>5806486 >implying Christ invented marriage murican education at its finest. here: http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/2/21701778/ www.ivpress.com/title/exc/2737-1.pdf

3 hours later 5806592 Anonymous (lol.gif 320x240 714kB)
>>5806578 So you're advocating an intentionally irrational model of morality? This keeps getting better.

3 hours later 5806595 Anonymous (rick-santorum.jpg 412x600 112kB)
What's the big deal? Working class people don't see any benefit from accepting these ivory tower social policies. They obviously aren't left with the impression that their government is working for them.

3 hours later 5806601 Anonymous
>>5806587 is that what you got from that post? lel. try again.

3 hours later 5806615 Anonymous (1321024495137.jpg 640x593 88kB)
Why are murrikans such sexual deviants? You got more freakshows than any other country.

3 hours later 5806617 Anonymous
>>5806592 Is that what I said? >http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Arguments-Introduction-Informal-Logic/dp/053462586X

3 hours later 5806633 Anonymous
>>5806617 Indeed it is, my kooky friend.

4 hours later 5806660 Anonymous
>>5806633 mmm... nope. I didn't mention rationality at all, positively or negatively. but enough of this. What should be the foundation(s) of social organization and legislation in human societies?

4 hours later 5806667 Anonymous
>>5806615 http://www.google.com/trends/?q=bestiality http://www.google.com/trends/?q=scat+fetish http://www.google.com/trends/?q=weird+sex Based on this small sample it looks like South Africa has that distinction

4 hours later 5806732 Anonymous
What? is that add serious?

4 hours later 5806760 Anonymous
>>5806732 Yeah, you get used to it. The sad part is, that ad is BETTER than most of Rick Perry's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA

4 hours later 5806777 Anonymous
>>5806760 I mean I'm not gay or anything but I think there are other things that should be pointed out in order to make a point on why america should not re elect Obama. What bugs me is seeing those strategies might actually work.

4 hours later 5806783 Anonymous
If Obama wins, he will declare martial law and force everybody to be gay. Republicans would enjoy that become better humored and less cretin, and that's why they're against.

4 hours later 5806787 Anonymous
Prop 8 in CA used exactly the same argument and they won. It was fucking amazing.

5 hours later 5806821 Anonymous
>>5806783 IT would be the best day ever for the booty warrior. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-JjldxU-pA

5 hours later 5806842 Anonymous
>wanting gay marriage legalised in your country > Chile please explain

5 hours later 5806910 Anonymous
>>5806615 Stay 10th century, fellow Balkanshit.

6 hours later 5807270 Anonymous (2394623894234.gif 210x209 38kB)
>watch OP's link >mfw Obama will force straight men to fuck each other in a gigantic orgy >pic related but seriously americlaps/republifaps if Romney ever wins, we all will enjoy american humiliation like in the bush-era for at least 4 years

7 hours later 5807354 Anonymous
>>5806094 Gravel 2016.

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