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2021-01-20 10:31 138082473 Anonymous (asdadsad.png 1200x1200 844kB)
So Americans really believe that censorship is the way to protect freedom and free speech?

0 min later 138082492 Anonymous
>>138082473 What do you mean?

0 min later 138082515 Anonymous
it's not censorship when BASED corporations do it

1 min later 138082532 Anonymous
No

1 min later 138082553 Anonymous
>>138082492 Ban controversial opinions and all that stuff.

1 min later 138082570 Anonymous
Media outlets can’t be forced to allow propaganda.

2 min later 138082616 Anonymous
Freedom of speech is freedom from the government from stopping your speech. If a company or publisher or something wants your work censored, that is completely in your right. For example, tv shows shy away from nudity because they are owned by advertisers who appeal to families and autistic Christian women are unironically one of the most powerful groups in the country when they want to be. See how ESRB was created.

2 min later 138082618 Anonymous
>>138082532 Then why did you vote for that and don't complain about this?

8 min later 138082959 Anonymous
>>138082616 >For example, tv shows shy away from nudity the fuck are you talking about ? a lot of tv shows these days is filled with sex to please cumheads like you. Have you heard about hbo anon ? no wonder people think you guys are stupid > autistic Christian women oh no "women bad" don't want their kids to be exposed to sex on tv, they're so mean

10 min later 138083109 Anonymous
>>138082616 >Freedom of speech is freedom from the government from stopping your speech. If private organizations in a situation of power cartelize, they can be worse than the government, and that is happening in the United States, you must fight for your freedom

15 min later 138083341 Anonymous
>>138082553 I am fine with banning hate speech if we have a clear understanding of how that's defined. Piss on the slippery slope fallacy. We already have a few other important exceptions to free speech, like you can't threaten people or at least in theory you can't spread slanderous lies.

16 min later 138083358 Anonymous
>>138082616 There are such close ties between government and corporations in the US that there's not much difference.

18 min later 138083451 Anonymous
>>138083341 >I am fine with banning hate speech if we have a clear understanding of how that's defined. You know perfectly that won't happen or you're really naive.

20 min later 138083551 Anonymous
>>138083358 This

20 min later 138083572 Anonymous
>>138083341 who decides what is and what isn't a hate speech ? common sense ? (prob not, since no society is homogenous in thinking)

21 min later 138083622 Anonymous
>>138083451 It probably won't, no, but it wouldn't be that hard imo. Don't ask me to be the one to define it though because it's not my job and I also don't care about racists anyway. A good lawyer has the know how to figure out the right wording.

23 min later 138083735 Anonymous
>>138083572 >common sense I've noticed increasingly lately that the only people who speak of "common sense" are retards who use it as a meaningless placeholder to explain a belief they can't articulate a real explanation for. So no lol definitely not that.

29 min later 138084064 Anonymous
>>138082959 Federal law prohibits the broadcasting of obscene, indecent and profane material. There's a reason HBO isn't on the airwaves. It would rack up a bill larger than your country's GDP if it fell under the FCC's jurisdiction. You clearly don't know much about this country, so why don't you just hush.

32 min later 138084199 Anonymous
>>138083109 Corporations don't hold the monopoly of violence and are a lot easier to destabilize. If you sink a large corporation through industrial espionage, it's not gonna be that corp's mall cops breaking down your door. That's a pretty big distinction.

32 min later 138084206 Anonymous
>>138082473 No, Americans now believe that free speech was a trick all along to allow Nazis to spread their ideology. Americans think free speech is evil.

33 min later 138084232 Anonymous (1611083735038.jpg 1080x1330 110kB)
>>138082473 No. Any american saying otherwise in this thread is a brainwashed liberal jew licker.

34 min later 138084264 Anonymous
>>138082473 Yea americans are kiked beyond belief

36 min later 138084371 Anonymous
>>138084064 The FCC hasn't regulated anything but public TV in decades and that was never constitutional anyway.

36 min later 138084389 Anonymous (1586826074930.jpg 294x411 52kB)
>>138083622 >though

40 min later 138084545 Anonymous
>>138084318 This, how fucking dense can you be.

41 min later 138084634 Anonymous
>>138084371 It was always constitutional, and their remaining jurisdiction over television is exactly why HBO is a subscription service. This cultural prudence extends beyond the FCC, anyways, it's just a singular example to demonstrate to the Brazilian that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

47 min later 138084925 Anonymous
>>138084318 Did you just find out you could say nigger on 4chan yesterday? Do you think the novelty will ever wear off?

47 min later 138084960 Anonymous
>>138082618 I didn't and I do regularly complain about it. The problem is it's my voice vs billion dollar companies and government organizations, who do you think wins in the situation?

48 min later 138085000 Anonymous (1504982236879.jpg 367x411 26kB)
>>138084389 >aunque Also checkem.

48 min later 138085002 Anonymous
If a man yells "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater and causes DEATH, does the movie theater manager have a right to ban him? If a man yells "COUP!" on twitter and causes DEATH, does twitter have a right to ban him?? You tell me.

54 min later 138085263 Anonymous
>>138085002 fuck off, just stop talking about him

54 min later 138085289 Anonymous
>>138085263 Answer my question and I just might.

54 min later 138085303 Anonymous
>>138084960 >who do you think wins in the situation? Your cat.

57 min later 138085427 Anonymous
>>138085263 about who

58 min later 138085501 Anonymous
>>138085289 Twitter can do whatever the flying fuck it wants because it's a goddamn company. The same amounts for the cake shops who don't make gay wedding cakes, that's their decision, fuck off to another store wanker.

59 min later 138085513 Anonymous
>>138084634 >It was always constitutional No it was not. There's nothing in there mentioning TV content. The only thing that can be regulated is the format of TV transmissions as it falls under the Weights & Measures clause.

1 hours later 138085634 Anonymous
>>138084199 >are a lot easier to destabilize. You can't vote out a ceo

1 hours later 138085655 Anonymous (1610230083478.png 1280x720 1226kB)
>>138082473 >look at the ToS for a so-called free speech platform >they don't allow things they don't like Yes, they really do.

1 hours later 138085668 Anonymous
>>138085501 If Twitter is legally classified as a telcom service, then it can't block anything short of actually illegal content.

1 hours later 138085748 Anonymous
>>138085668 Is it? Classified as a telcom service?

1 hours later 138085788 Anonymous
>>138085289 Your question isn’t profound and there was no point bringing it up. The answer is obviously yes and no one here thinks otherwise.

1 hours later 138085880 Anonymous
>>138084925 The novelty wore off in the 1950sbut waxed to a critical mass now because of the absurd and hilarious reaction it garners from institutions and hypersensitive ghetto blacks

1 hours later 138085932 Anonymous
>>138085655 Jesus christ those grubhub ads are disturbing. The worst one is the baby

1 hours later 138085977 Anonymous
>>138085880 >>138084925 And people like you who think it’s “cringe” because of internalized white guilt

1 hours later 138086069 Anonymous
>>138085002 Check this: >>138083451 YOU ARE REALLY REALLY NAIVE.

1 hours later 138086083 Anonymous
>>138085977 Tribalism is cringe in general anon. Very base and ungodlike behavior.

1 hours later 138086228 Anonymous (1607013749029m.jpg 1024x577 33kB)
>>138085000 witnessed, brother

1 hours later 138086344 Anonymous
>>138085634 You literally can.

1 hours later 138086394 Anonymous
>>138085513 Profanity and obscenity are not protected by the first ammendment.

1 hours later 138086415 Anonymous
>>138086344 How?

1 hours later 138086478 Anonymous
>>138082473 Agree. They should have let boomers and edgy zoomers to be more radicalized witih conspiracy theories and made up news until they trully believe their political opponents literally satanist babyh eaters

1 hours later 138086485 Anonymous
mostly just elites and their pawns

1 hours later 138086584 Anonymous
>>138086415 You have to be 18 to post here. Have you never owned shares in a company? https://work.chron.com/corporation- officer-election-procedures-22983.h tml

1 hours later 138086621 Anonymous
>>138086394 >>138084634 the Anglo notion of "obscenity" is such a joke. it's basically like "Uh...obscenity is whatever I personally don't like."

1 hours later 138086911 Anonymous
>>138086621 >For content to be ruled obscene, it must meet a three-pronged test established by the Supreme Court: It must appeal to an average person's prurient interest; depict or describe sexual conduct in a "patently offensive" way; and, taken as a whole, lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

1 hours later 138086966 Anonymous
>>138082473 Says the countries that ban denying the holocaust... youre literally the example of censored democracy

1 hours later 138087145 Anonymous
>>138086966 It's not illegal denying the holocaust in Spain, who the fuck told you that?

1 hours later 138087257 Anonymous
>>138083341 >like you can't threaten people or at least in theory you can't spread slanderous lies yes because that infringes on the rights of others which isn't covered by free speech free speech that doesn't infringe on other people's rights should be absolute

1 hours later 138087261 Anonymous
>>138087145 I'm speaking for the dozens of countries that do have that law, I didn't know of Spain did or didn't have it. Its one thing to ban violent hate speech and another thing to ban a literal opinion on history... America is tame with its censorship compared to that

1 hours later 138087494 Anonymous
>>138087257 based countryman knows whats up >>138087261 just because other countries aren't perfect either it doesn't make their views less valid. The slippery slope theory is very well justified in my opinion. The USA has to do something, otherwise corporations will gain even more control over your state until it's too late. And I also wish Switzerland had a more absolute law on freedom of speech, as of right now it's not perfect either.

1 hours later 138087700 Anonymous
>>138087494 What does the power of corporations and freedom of speech have to do with eachother? Also I disagree, their is a point where freedom of speech should be censored.

1 hours later 138088142 Anonymous
>>138087700 Marvelous

1 hours later 138088207 Anonymous
>>138087700 not him but corporations like twitter and facebook when they collude effectively have a monopoly over a huge amount of speech. Not only does their reach transcend borders but are also much more effective in banning that speech than a government, so what they decide actually has a bigger influence than speech laws. The rich jackoffs in charge of these corporations will of course end up slowly banning all anti-establishment speech from both the left and right.

2 hours later 138088395 Anonymous
>>138088207 It's oligarchy, as it is with all things when you expand into the globohomo banking plains.

2 hours later 138088482 Anonymous
>>138086911 so, you're agreeing with me

2 hours later 138088487 Anonymous
why single out americans? the problem is america is becoming more like europe

2 hours later 138088599 Anonymous
>>138088487 No dude, in Europe companies cannot do that, even the more lefits politicians here finds the ban to Trump "problematic" or simply don't say nothing because they know it's impossible to get more votes from this, at least in most Europe. You have a problem in the USA with freedom of speech.

2 hours later 138088628 Anonymous
>>138088599 in europe you go to jail if you have the wrong opinions about wwii

2 hours later 138088822 Anonymous
>>138088628 Bruh, just check burbuja info is full of Spanish poltards and nothing happens to them, what are you talking about? Outside Germany nothing happens

2 hours later 138089085 Anonymous
>>138088207 But those are private companies... we use their services to speak to the world and they have the right to police their service however they want. As long as they aren't overreaching into everyday daily life... then I see no problem with how they police their sites.

2 hours later 138089152 Anonymous
>>138085002 Yes to both, even if he never yelled. They're private companies.

2 hours later 138089180 Anonymous
>>138088207 But also I feel like the governments always push these sites to toughen their restrictions of freedom of speech then the other way around... I always see news about new laws requesting restrictions on these sites.

2 hours later 138089238 Anonymous
>>138086584 How will the citizens vote him out? Buy shares together? If it's not the citizens but instead other rich dudes, it's irrelevant and only shows your autism.

2 hours later 138090119 Anonymous
>>138089085 Retard

2 hours later 138090391 Anonymous
>>138090119 ... how... its true

2 hours later 138090476 Anonymous
>>138082473 These are the same people who normalized the word nigger for black people now you have blacks running around calling each other the same name that was used to opress their ancestors americans are weird

3 hours later 138090692 Anonymous
>>138082473 Yes americans are obese fucking retards

3 hours later 138090721 Anonymous
>>138082616 All social media outlets are controlled by the media and have been since the early 2000s dumb zoomer

3 hours later 138090827 Anonymous
Im sure corporations banding together to deplatform competiton such as Parler breaks antitrust laws. And there is nothing wrong from demanding a certain degree of responsibility from near monopolies such as YouTube.

3 hours later 138090863 Anonymous
>>138090827 *nothing wrong with

3 hours later 138090982 Anonymous
>>138088487 In the Netherlands political discrimination is forbidden.

4 hours later 138093018 Anonymous
>>138083341 Clearly define it then.

4 hours later 138093230 Anonymous
>>138082473 Gotta destroy the village in order to save it

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4 hours later 138093827 Anonymous
>>138087257 >make up new right >free speech now infringes it

4 hours later 138094025 Anonymous
>>138082473 The entire discussion around free speech and censorship is pointless. The purpose of speech is communication. Certain kinds of speech (spam, wanker with a megaphone in a crowded room, etc.) often need to be cut off (that is, censored) so that others can continue. Where and when this is appropriate is a matter of discretion, not of rules. There is no value to living in the free speech paradise where you can say whatever you want, but nobody can hear you over the sound of the Indonesian medication spammer, the literal baby mashing keys,.and the fucking idiot ctrl+c ctrl+v ing the same stupid message out to infinity.

4 hours later 138094096 Anonymous
>>138082616 >it's another episode of "yanks don't know the difference between free speech and the first amendment"

4 hours later 138094141 Anonymous
>>138082616 >>138093564 >>138094025 based, redpilled

4 hours later 138094317 Jamal De'Tyrone-Andres Hernandez
>>138082473 Conservatives lauded the whole "private businesses get to choose what they want on their platform" when it involved a Supreme Court case about a Christian baker refusing service to a gay couple. Now they're butthurt because "woke" multi-billion-dollar social media companies are taking advantage of it. Oh well, push comes to shove. Source if you're interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maste rpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_R ights_Commission

6 hours later 138096651 Anonymous
The various groups formed to flag and censor on playforms like Twitter, FB, youtube, etc. include the ADL, Sarkeesian and other anti-American organizations and individuals.

7 hours later 138098324 Anonymous
>>138086911 >It must appeal to an average person's prurient interest isn't this a meme in practice? the average person doesn't get off on much of the stuff that would be described as obscene, yet it's still counted. you can't just broadcast scat porn on CNN on the grounds that to the average person it's not sexually attractive, it's revolting.

7 hours later 138098373 Anonymous
>>138089085 >As long as they aren't overreaching into everyday daily life Their businesses would collapse if they weren't overreaching into everyday life. People have their phones with them almost 24/7 nowadays, and on those phones are Facebook Messenger, Twitter, etc.

7 hours later 138098427 Anonymous
>retarded normies self-own because they're incapable of being spoonfed meme issues on more than two internet websites Why am I supposed to feed bad about censorship?

8 hours later 138098785 Anonymous
>>138082473 No, only the blind idiots on the left. We really need to stop calling these people liberals. The only thing they're liberal about is abortions, illegal immigration and drug use.

8 hours later 138098831 Anonymous
>>138094096 what he said is correct in regards to the first amendment dummy

8 hours later 138098843 Anonymous
>>138094317 There are a fuckton of places to get a cake baked but when big tech torpedoed the only real competitor to Twitter it basically made sure social media would be through them and their censors. So no, it's not even remotely equivalent.

8 hours later 138098844 Anonymous
>>138098831 yet he said "freedom of speech is...", not "the first amendment is..."

8 hours later 138098863 Anonymous
>>138082473 nah

8 hours later 138098869 Anonymous
We need euros to save us from tech companies deciding what we're allowed to say because nobody here is going to stop them

8 hours later 138098870 Anonymous
>>138098844 it's usually associated with each other here bro. stop arguing dumb semantics

8 hours later 138098878 Anonymous
>>138098870 my mistake, i thought i was posting on /int/ not on /usa/ where the entire world bends to the inaccuracies of colloquial american speech

8 hours later 138098896 Anonymous
>>138098878 >enter thread about americans >complain about americans arguing about america lmao you are a special kind of retard aren't you

8 hours later 138098902 Anonymous
>>138098896 >complain about americans arguing about america I'm sure you'll point out where this happened.

8 hours later 138098937 Anonymous (9fa4266187c87d51a28c7ebbe9ee3982d28557c8_hq.jpg 1024x957 73kB)
>Use SNS to incite coups in other countries >Establish a pro-US government >This is the power of democracy >Trump's friends are coming to have a picnic in Congress >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO >this is a terrorist attack >this is a coup d'etat Why is MURIKA like this?

8 hours later 138098961 Anonymous
>>138098869 ah yeah thanks Europeans for the annoying "accept cookies" popups and old fashioned copyright laws

8 hours later 138098969 Anonymous
>>138098902 lots of us flags itt talking so they're arguing because that is what people do on this site. what point are you trying to make at this point or are you baiting? also it isn't "inaccuracies" in american speech, it was completely accurate. stop trying to act like a smartass or something it's embarrassing.

8 hours later 138099041 Anonymous
I get the private corporation has the option to do what it wants but there is a serious undeniable issue when said corporations are not only megacorps but also collaborate with each other to censor speech and opinions of individuals. >Twitter, facebook, Instagram and every other site ban you at the same time >Google removes you from its search and disables ur email >Amazon deplatforms ur website >You basically stop exsisting on the mainstream internet This is grade A corporate dystopia, the freedoms of individual must be preserved in todays society where big corporation platforms have become an integral part of a regular persons life. The concept of company being able to do what it wants is nice, but its outdated in a world of megacorporations who abuse it.

8 hours later 138099043 Anonymous
>>138086911 >prurient Huh, I learned a new word today.

8 hours later 138099125 Anonymous
>>138082616 What are you on about? Your own supreme court ruled that companies that works as "public forums" can go own censuring people.

8 hours later 138099269 Anonymous (21sisatsu1_1.jpg 600x389 70kB)
I agree with Merkel in Germany. The current situation, where the whole world depends on American information services, is problematic. It can only lead to a corporate dystopia.

8 hours later 138099279 Anonymous
>>138098969 >what point are you trying to make That >>138082616 defined "Free Speech" (a general philosophical idea) using the definition of the US first amendment right to free expression. A definition that is inaccurate when considering the wider free speech which the Spanish OP >>138082473 was obviously referring to. This is not a particularly complicated point.

8 hours later 138099296 Anonymous
>>138083341 >I am fine with banning hate speech if we have a clear understanding of how that's defined. do americans really?

8 hours later 138099425 Anonymous
>>138099279 i'd agree with you if this thread wasn't about the US

8 hours later 138099475 Anonymous (1415694713403.gif 500x700 1041kB)
>>138082473 it is only censorship only when it is against things that I support. Beyond that, majority of people couldn't give two thirds of a fuck when true censorship by the government happens.

8 hours later 138099745 Anonymous
>>138084389 What's so wrong about >though

9 hours later 138099845 Anonymous
>>138099296 >palestine

9 hours later 138099900 Anonymous
>>138099845 YES

9 hours later 138099908 Anonymous
>>138085634 Voting changes NOTHING. The system of the State relies on rules and institutions that go way beyond the executive chief. But private companies are worse because their power is soft and harder to resist. We must destroy capitalism and industrial society.

9 hours later 138099921 Anonymous
>>138099908 Clap clap

9 hours later 138099922 Anonymous
>>138089238 >have absolutely no ties to the company >expects to hold voting rights on it next you're going to cry and whine about not being able to vote for other countries' leaders jesus you're a retard

9 hours later 138100113 Anonymous
>>138089238 Many middle class people own stocks. You should too.

9 hours later 138101028 Anonymous (ErtDwKhVkAIMCUT.jpg 1080x864 158kB)
>>138082473 Yes.

9 hours later 138101159 Anonymous
>>138082473 Yes and if you’re against it you’ll be called a fascist enabler lol

11 hours later 138103314 Anonymous
>>138101159 Based?

11 hours later 138103406 Anonymous
>>138103314 ....no...........

11 hours later 138103780 Anonymous
>>138101159 Yes, its called the paradox of tolerance, in which if you tolerate people whose objective is to remove freedoms, then you're unknowingly sabotaging tolerance. It's also retarded to think freedom of speech means "you can say whatever you want, no problem" and I only ever see 16 year olds and people baiting doing that.

12 hours later 138105214 Anonymous
>>138082473 I'd say freedom of speech is much more about the limit rather than anything else How far can people go with speech. And who gets the right to speak.

12 hours later 138105258 Anonymous
>>138103406 Yes? Are you fascist? >>138103780 Post the pictoline meme :)

12 hours later 138105722 Anonymous
>>138082473 freedom and free speech are retarded memes

12 hours later 138105746 Anonymous
>>138105258 I don't know what pictoline is

12 hours later 138105955 Anonymous
>>138098785 You need to stop calling them liberals because liberals and leftists are different people. The new president and his corporate donors are not left

12 hours later 138106022 Anonymous (!!dkasognmna.jpg 644x362 80kB)
>>138082473 cant even make fun of a dead asshole in your country without being arrested lol

12 hours later 138106142 Anonymous
>>138083341 >hate speech You swallow everything they put in your mouth. This is the "new American". Can't see a difference to the average European shitwit. No wonder people bet on China.

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