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2019-03-02 03:01 70007539 Anonymous (boardsmall.png 507x381 193kB)
There's no legitimate reason for owning an x86 CPU other than childish video games and a handful of proprietary legacy application. >inb4 half of /g/ is suddenly comprised of professional architects and structural engineers

0 min later 70007544 Anonymous
>>70007539 whaaa why do I like something you don't, it only makes you maad whaaaaaaaa

5 min later 70007595 Anonymous
>>70007539 No, I'm a CFD engineer and I need my dual AMD EPYC CPUs.

9 min later 70007615 Anonymous
>>70007539 Lol shut the fuck up you fucking retard baby go back to your dirty onahole and pillow

14 min later 70007654 Anonymous
>>70007539 I always loved the sheer amount of butthurt that faggots like you exude. No one cares about your free as in freedom garbage. People want stuff that works. Your wet dream of having Talos based tech with some autistic Linux system on it in every household will never come true, and if it did, you can bet your obese sweaty ass the government would backdoor those too.

17 min later 70007680 Anonymous
If Raptor had a UK distributor, so that I wouldn't get anally raped on importation fees, I would have bought the Blackbird bundle for my computer. Until then, I'm stuck with AMD64.

30 min later 70007832 Anonymous
>>70007539 >half of /g/ is suddenly comprised of professional architects and structural engineers Half? 90%. Oh, and those also use (((industry standard productivity software))). They've already copeposted in your thread.

39 min later 70007928 Anonymous
>>70007595 not compiling your own cfd code in ppc architecture, you f-ing fag >inb4 fluent is fine

42 min later 70007963 Anonymous
>>70007832 They all run ryzen CPUs with and gpus and do nothing but program, and create content on gimp, and blender. Yes I've seen all of these pros pop up since ryzen's release too.

42 min later 70007964 Anonymous
>>70007595 >AMD EPYC No one needs this garbage.

51 min later 70008068 Anonymous
>>70007963 Imagine, having accessible technology opens up new interests. I bet you bitched about modems when they were released too. And this whole internet thing is just garbage. Next thing you're going to tell me is you can't believe how many people want to learn about shit on it.

54 min later 70008092 Anonymous
>>70007544 >>70007615 >>70007595 >>70007654 t. NSA/CIA >>70008068 Taking that analogy, you will be able to learn about all the lower level bits of computers, since you are able to experiment with all of it, and study the source code but you're still a glow in the dark

1 hours later 70008154 Anonymous
>>70008068 >Imagine, having accessible technology opens up new interests. Yea that's exactly what happened to all these and anons who constantly post the sane game benchmarks. They do found new hobbies, interests, and job orders that specifically states that they need and hardware, no cuda, and a certain set of non proprietary software.

1 hours later 70008176 Anonymous
>>70007928 I think you can get OpenFOAM to run on ppc, I don't know why you'd want to though. >>70007964 I can't hear you over my 16 memory channels.

1 hours later 70008178 Anonymous
>>70007539 I've legit been looking at Power9, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of support for it and I don't think I'm /g/angster enough to resolve all the issues that might [read: will] crop up.

1 hours later 70008185 Anonymous
>>70007539 Is it possible to get that board as mini-itx with only one CPU?

1 hours later 70008190 Anonymous
>>70008185 mATX and one cpu.

1 hours later 70008194 Anonymous
>>70008185 Yes? Not sure if it's actually Mini-ITX, but they do offer a ... 'reduced' board with one CPU.

1 hours later 70008200 Anonymous
Do any modern graphics drivers work on Power9 yet? >>70008185 The mATX version is called the Blackbird. https://secure.raptorcs.com/content /BK1B01/intro.html

1 hours later 70008221 Anonymous
>>70008200 Raptor sells the AMD Vega 64 as an add-on with the Talos, so I believe that works

1 hours later 70008223 Anonymous
>>70008200 >Do any modern graphics drivers work on Power9 yet? Of course. AMDGPU is fully supported.

1 hours later 70008234 Anonymous
>>70008190 >>70008194 >>70008200 Sounds good, but 1,2k dollarinos won't do. Also >Q: Where can I learn more about the technical details and general improvements of the POWER9 processor? >A: While POWER9 generally remains protected by a temporary embargo in advance of its general availability (GA) release, IBM has posted a presentation on the POWER9 processor on their DeveloperWorks website. This presentation provides a basic overview of the POWER9 processor and how it stacks up against the older POWER8 devices. In particular, for those desiring performance information, a chart comparing POWER8 and POWER9 is available on page 11. wtf

1 hours later 70008264 Anonymous
>>70008234 >wtf >IBM introduced the POWER9 scale out variant of POWER in December 2017. Scale up POWER9 processors were introduced in August 2018. The third variant for high I/O will be introduced in 2019. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/ibm/mi croarchitectures/power9

1 hours later 70008462 Anonymous (boardlarge.png 750x500 236kB)
>>70007595 >>70008176 Okay I actually went and looked up the specs of the Power9 family and it does look interesting. There are models with plenty of cores and it has a 120 GB/s memory bandwidth vs the 150 GB/s of the AMD EPYC, so in the same ballpark. This 4U is at a competitive cost for it's specs. It looks like it really is a matter of getting your software to run on the different architecture. I am now intrigued. https://secure.raptorcs.com/content /TL2SV2/intro.html I just didn't know what we were talking about specifically from just the picture in the OP.

1 hours later 70008527 Anonymous
>>70008223 What about nvidia with bsd?

2 hours later 70009031 Anonymous
>>70007539 I just want to play Williams Defender in DOS mode, no bully please

4 hours later 70010985 Anonymous
So does anyone here have a Power9 cpu? And if so, could I convince you to run a benchmark for me?

5 hours later 70011190 Anonymous
>>70010985 If someone who posts here did own one, I think we would've seen it show up in a screenfetch thread by now.

5 hours later 70011509 Anonymous
>>70007539 t. POWER shill Now please explain why anyone sane and with non-negative IQ should willingly cripple their computing experience by cutting themselves off an enourmous library of x86/x64 software. No, it's not a "handful". You also limit yourself to almost entirely FOSS that most of the time explicitly states it gives no warranty of any kind that it actually works as intended, therefore disqualifies itself from any serious usage.

5 hours later 70011533 Anonymous
>>70007539 I see you work for apple. Noone here is gonna buy off on your proprietary CPUs and closed systems when you release em next year.

5 hours later 70011561 Anonymous
>>70011509 You forgot to mention that a Power system usually has an extra zero at the price tag when compared to a similarly powerful x86 system.

6 hours later 70011716 Anonymous
>>70011509 From wikipedia: >The current fastest supercomputer in the world, Summit, is based on POWER9 So for some applications the cost vs performance works out, or IBM would not have won the contract.

6 hours later 70011754 Anonymous
>>70007539 >an x86 CPU Like, just one? Running right now I have 5.

6 hours later 70011786 Anonymous
>>70011561 and it's made by the company that invented vendor lock-in

6 hours later 70011799 Anonymous (73812main_Altix_front.jpg 2964x1656 294kB)
>>70011716 There used to be a lot of fast Itanium supercomputers too, didn't make the architecture actually good.

6 hours later 70011818 Anonymous
>>70011561 That's not really true. Let's spec out two mid-range workstations. Motherboard: Talos II motherboard bundle CPU: 2x 8-core POWER9 (3.45 GHz base, 120 MiB L2 cache) RAM: 8x Crucial DDR4-2666 ECC 32 GiB --- $4860 2x Intel Xeon Gold 6134 (3.3 GHz base, 24.75 MB L3 cache) SuperMicro X11DPH-T RAM: 8x Crucial DDR4-2666 ECC 32 GiB --- $4160 Note the Power system has more than FOUR TIMES the CPU cache versus Intel and a slightly higher base frequency. So you pay 16% more and get better performance & full user-control. 256 GiB RAM

6 hours later 70011842 Anonymous
>>70011716 >>70011799 Additionally, having the fastest supercomputer (by the ultimately worthless and ancient TOP500 standards) in the modern age of just clustering shitloads of commodity hardware together with high-bandwidth interconnects isn't an architecture game, it's a money game. POWER9 might have been cheaper for them in that very specific situation, but next year it can just as easily be a Xeon or Epyc based solution, and within a few years those systems will be easily outclassed by newer x86 solutions regardless.

6 hours later 70011844 Anonymous
>>70011561 The price edge is definitely still there for X86... but for comparable hardware, an extra 0 is absurd. Those Talos board support like 2TB system memory... you find me a comparable X86 board and processor that Power9 has an extra zero on.

6 hours later 70011856 Anonymous
>>70011818 >even mentioning frequency when comparing two radically different architectures Just kill yourself.

6 hours later 70011874 Anonymous
>>70011856 He's just listing spec, not saying MUH GIGAHERTZ IS BETTER. Learn the difference. Also, lurk 2 years before posting.

6 hours later 70011889 Anonymous
>>70007539 comfort, but you're mostly correct and gay

6 hours later 70011899 Anonymous
>>70007539 >handful of proprietary legacy application nice bait. you mean every piece of productivity software ever created actually you unemployed, kissless, involuntary virgin autismo.

6 hours later 70011903 Anonymous
>>70011856 Oh, I forgot, Intel achieves much more per clock due to speculative exploit and backdoor execution AKA meltdown

6 hours later 70011917 Anonymous
>>70011874 If you bothered to read his post, you'd notice he singled out the frequency as something notable after the specification dump. >>70011903 POWER is also vulnerable to speculative execution attacks, like most other mature OoO architectures. Stop making yourself look like more of a barely informed moron.

6 hours later 70011930 Anonymous
>>70010985 >>70011190 I'm pretty sure someone had a Raptor some time ago, he posted a screenfecth with some chink cartoon background and a tilling wm

6 hours later 70011934 Anonymous
>>70007539 *cough* *cough* Virtualisation, you massive fucking faggot

6 hours later 70011956 Anonymous
>>70011934 >Virtualisation, you massive fucking faggot Power9 supports hardware-accelerated virtualization, sweetie.

6 hours later 70011979 Anonymous
>>70011917 Looks like what he was really pointing out was CACHE which is fucking VALID because literally EVERY CPU EVER MADE only performs as well as the CACHE. But you didn't NOTICE that part because YOUR HONOR was offended by somebody saying SLIGHTLY HIGHER BASE CLOCK and you HOMED IN on that, because you had NOTHING TO OFFER on the more relevant topic.

6 hours later 70011994 Anonymous
>>70007539 You got me OP. I play video games.

6 hours later 70011997 Anonymous
>>70011818 >2x Intel Xeon Gold 6134 (3.3 GHz base, 24.75 MB L3 cache) Found your problem. Threadripper 2950x is less than $900, has higher clocks and actually, most importantly, has software support.

6 hours later 70012035 Anonymous
>>70011979 Yes, I realize that all he did was vomit some specs and emphasize which numbers were bigger. I merely pointed out a mistake he would never have made if he actually knew what he was talking about when it came to cross-architectural comparisons, meaning his own contributions to the post beyond the specs he copypasted from elsewhere probably shouldn't be taken seriously for any kind of real decision. Sorry I hit a nerve, but you'll just have to calm down and deal with it. No need to be a crybaby.

6 hours later 70012113 Anonymous (summit-node.png 2000x1324 1753kB)
>>70011842 Okay but until then it's Power9. >>70011997 >using Threadripper for a workstation It's got four memory channels dude.

6 hours later 70012149 Anonymous
>>70012113 But it's not, that's the entire point. Being #1 on the TOP500 just means you had enough money to string enough cheap commodity shit together to out-perform everyone else by sheer brute force, architecture has nothing to do with it. That's not even mentioning how worthless LINPACK scores are anyway for judging the aptitude of an architecture for a wide range of computing workloads, desktop or supercomputing. It's just a dick wave, it's not a measurement of architectural superiority and hasn't been for decades.

6 hours later 70012216 Anonymous
>>70007539 x86 cpus are the only affordable desktop CPUs right now

6 hours later 70012248 Anonymous
>>70007539 Economical convenience

6 hours later 70012276 Anonymous
>>70007539 >Handful More like any worth using.

7 hours later 70012601 Anonymous (CPU.jpg 650x516 124kB)
>>70012149 Cost vs performance. That is why I brought it up. If you are making a supercomputer you're going to go with the hardware which gives you the most power given your budget. Architecture does effect both cost and performance. Right now the AMD EPYC is the best CPU to compare it to: AMD EPYC 7601 base clock: 2.2GHz L3 cache: 64MB cores: 32 cost: $4302 cost/core: $134 AMD EPYC 7451 base clock: 3.2GHz L3 cache: 64MB cores: 24 cost: $2550 cost/core: $106 AMD EPYC 7351 base clock: 2.4GHz L3 cache: 64MB cores: 16 cost: $1175 cost/core: $73 IBM POWER9 CPU (22-core) clock: 2.75GHz L3 cache: 10MB cores: 22 cost: $2625 cost/core: $119 IBM POWER9 CPU (18-core) base clock: 2.8GHz L3 cache: 10MB cores: 18 cost: $1425 cost/core: $79 All have eight memory channels and can work in 2P socket. Obviously there's more to the story than just the listed specs, but it does show there is an argument for picking Power9 for a workstation/server/supercomputer.

8 hours later 70013163 Anonymous (73815main_Altix_side.jpg 2982x1786 346kB)
>>70012601 I'm not at all arguing that there is no compelling reason to adopt POWER in any given situation, merely that a system made out of a bunch of them being fast at solving a dense set of synthesized linear equations is not really one of them, the TOP500 is a data point for marketing talk, not something you look at when seriously comparing two different architectures. As I mentioned previously, Itanium systems did quite well in the TOP500 when people still cared about them, but few people here would agree that it was a superior computing paradigm based on that. I'm sure that POWER9 was the best option for ORNL at that time for whatever reason, which may or may not have actually been related to the architecture, and regardless has very little bearing on the competence of the architecture in the general case especially for a desktop user.

8 hours later 70013543 Anonymous (sv.gif 500x323 1076kB)
>>70013163 Fair enough. We can ignore supercomputer adoption as an argument for use by a desktop user. But as far as this statement >>70011509 goes >please explain why anyone sane and with non-negative IQ should willingly cripple their computing experience by cutting themselves off an enourmous library of x86/x64 software For a workstation desktop user the specs I posted >>70013163 do look good for the 18 core Power9 compared to the EPYC line. As long as you have software to run on it, which at least for my application of interest (OpenFOAM) is not a problem.

8 hours later 70013620 Anonymous (1551283939451.png 450x450 115kB)
>i require only the best, most free hardware to practice fizzbuzz and watch cartoons made for japanese schoolchildren

8 hours later 70013632 Anonymous
>>70011509 t. CIA/NSA I can see through you. Try to glow less next time

8 hours later 70013681 Anonymous
>>70013543 Sounds like a perfectly legitimate interest to me, the people in these threads that totally disregard one architecture or another and advocate for total replacement are just idiots probably hunting for attention more so than actual discussion. POWER's as viable for a desktop as anything else, and could definitely have some advantages in some workstation applications, it's just a question of whether those are really mind-blowing enough to be worth caring for in the age of diminishing returns and mature software ecosystems we live in now.

8 hours later 70013703 Anonymous
>>70013632 IBM is a textbook multi-billion dollar American megacorporation, if you think they don't cooperate with these organizations when such a need arises you're utterly delusional. Claiming freedom and being free are two very different things.

8 hours later 70013733 Anonymous
>>70013703 You'd figure that any processor backdoors would have been denounced by the Chinese companies it has been licensed to. >b-but what if they used it themselves They COULD, but the chinks don't cooperate too well.

8 hours later 70013767 Anonymous
>>70013733 There's also the possibility of studying it through a university channel. You can ask for the entire processor spec that way.

9 hours later 70013851 Anonymous
I'd buy one if I wasn't poor but why is the board design so ugly?

9 hours later 70013888 Anonymous
It's cheaper to build a decently performing x86-64 system than it is for any other architecture. ARM is the only price comparable architecture you can do useful things with, and it's slow as molasses.

9 hours later 70013890 Anonymous
>>70013681 Looks like we in agreement then. >>70013851 Because it's not a gayming computer.

9 hours later 70014043 Anonymous
>>70013890 Hell yeah man, hope it works out the way you want it if you end up playing with one.

9 hours later 70014211 Anonymous
>>70014043 I just bought myself a $7k Epyc workstation last week, so probably not lol. I would have seriously considered it though.

9 hours later 70014270 Anonymous
>>70007539 it costs thousands so you better be one of those with overpaid tech jobs if you want one

9 hours later 70014299 Anonymous
>>70013851 >why is the board design so ugly? I know it's bait and I'm still mad.

9 hours later 70014354 Anonymous
>>70014299 Fuck the blue alternating DIMM slots though, if you really want to be autistic about it.

10 hours later 70014435 Anonymous
>>70013851 because its for faggot gamers with cases that have windows. those things go into servers and workstations so it wont matter what it looks like and no one need some stupid leds and other gay shit that they put in consumer hardware

10 hours later 70014667 Anonymous (kaiju_cirno.png 2000x2000 2017kB)
I am looking forward to getting my Blackbird. I already have a Windows PC for proprietary software. The Power will be my Linux box. Planning to use an In Win BK623 case, WD Black for storage, and a Radeon RX560. Will use two monitors and a single keyboard/mouse, using Synergy to share them.

11 hours later 70015122 Anonymous
>>70014667 Very cool! I'll be looking for you in the battlestation threads.

11 hours later 70015521 Anonymous (chrome_9U7AOv4gqn.png 608x609 28kB)
>>70007539 because its shit

12 hours later 70015657 Anonymous
It would certainly be interesting if RISC-V became viable, maybe valve should pick it up.

12 hours later 70015668 Anonymous
>>70007539 Literally who gives a fuck. Just buy whatever craptop is cheapest on ebay right now.

12 hours later 70015849 Anonymous
me using a cheap x86_64 cpu for childish applications https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYo fpdo0PXk

12 hours later 70015927 Anonymous
>>70014667 >clock isn't set to 9

12 hours later 70015983 Anonymous
>>70015849 >not unscrewing the cooler in X stupid faggot

12 hours later 70016003 Anonymous
I actually can't fucking stand consuming the internet without a mouse and keyboard. Touchscreens are slow as fuck.

12 hours later 70016047 Anonymous
>>70007539 its almost like the majority of servers run x86 and if you want to develop for that its easiest to develop on an x86 system as well

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