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2012-12-20 06:13 30002658 Anonymous (DRM1.jpg 570x350 135kB)
Hi /g/ Where do you get your ebooks? I have a kindle but I just had to get a new amazon account but don't want to switch the account on my kindle as i would loose all of my books (Right? I'd loose them if I changed the account on the thing?). In any case, I would like to break from amazon because you never know when some act of planned obsolescence will cause me to either loose all my books or go through an absurd process to recover them. SO,...(cont.)

5 min later 30002745 Anonymous (blackberry_playbook_kobo.png 1161x679 885kB)
I went to the Kobo store because with them I can support my local bookstore. The book I want is only available in Adobe DRM .epub format. Kindle supports mobi only. It is my understanding that I would have to do 2 conversions: one to unlock the .epub file, one to convert to mobi. The unlocking file only runs on Windows. That is a pain for me because I mostly use Lubuntu and Mandriva.

6 min later 30002767 Anonymous (Capture du 2012-11-22 12:55:02.png 360x335 130kB)
Please respond, /g/: >>WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR EBOOKS???

12 min later 30002863 Anonymous
https://pay.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/hrgmv/tracker_with_pdfsebooks_of_college_textbooks/c1xrq4 4 Calibre can make nearly everything somewhat readable on any device. If you cannot obtain a book legitimately without digital restrictions management, please find an unauthorized copy instead of paying for one with DRM.

21 min later 30003022 Anonymous
>>30002863 But I beleive in supporting authors and giving people an incentive to work and continue writing books (and software) without them having to beg for donations.

24 min later 30003069 Look at my massive
#bookz

25 min later 30003078 Look at my massive
>>30002658 >In any case, I would like to break from amazon because you never know when some act of planned obsolescence will cause me to either loose all my books or go through an absurd process to recover them. I buy most of my books second-hand from charities through Amazon for like a penny each.

26 min later 30003096 Anonymous
>>30003022 Then buy a dead tree copy and get an electronic one from #bookz. Digital restrictions managements limits your ability to enjoy your own copy.

26 min later 30003102 Look at my massive
>>30003022 The same people who will tell you piracy is killing creativity have also been printing "you may not lend of resell this book" on the inside of books for 60 years.

26 min later 30003107 Anonymous
>>30002863 and can Calibre take off the DRM?? >>30003078 >I buy most of my books second-hand from charities through Amazon for like a penny each. What? How? Can you do this if you are looking for a specific book?

27 min later 30003110 Look at my massive
>>30003102 or*

28 min later 30003130 Look at my massive (look.png 517x176 61kB)
>>30003107 Most of the time, yes. If not, you can always pick them up nice and cheap.

29 min later 30003151 Anonymous
>>30003102 It's not so much about creativity as it is about the distribution of those ideas. Who take years off from working their shit jobs just to write down their ideas unless they knew they could at least break even doing it?

32 min later 30003190 Anonymous
>>30003130 >you can always pick them up What do you mean? Calibre has a bookstore? Or are you saying, Buy from whomever and torrent what you need?

34 min later 30003229 Anonymous
>>30003022 then send money directly to the authors. supporting people who put DRM on anything is a terrible thing to do

35 min later 30003232 Look at my massive
>>30003130 >>30003107 Books I bought in the last week for a penny + extremely reasonable P&P: The Cuckoo's Egg, Feersum Endjinn, The Once & Future King (Hard back), The Cathedral and the Bazaar, The Rifts RPG Core Rulebook (gift), In Nomine Core Rulebook, Cryptonomicon, The Diamond Age aka "A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" >>30003151 >I don't understand a business model other than the one big media uses so there must be no other business model >>30003190 "Pick them up" is a colloquialism for "buy". There are cheap books everywhere. Many libraries have hundreds of books they're looking to shift, especially some of the really great CS books that are "outdated" like The Dragon Book, K&R C, The Minix Book etc. etc.. You just have to know where to look.

35 min later 30003242 Anonymous
never forget http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/07/amazon-sold-pirated-books-raided-some-kindles/

39 min later 30003293 Anonymous
>>30003242 the kindle runs all GPL software. anyone could have stopped this, if anyone cared enough to try

39 min later 30003295 Look at my massive
>>30003242 I really don't understand the appeal of these ebook readers. They don't seem to be any more efficient than carrying a book and it's not like you need to be carrying hundreds of books at any one time. I'd also be concerned about breaking it and there's constant this background feeling of not being in control/being under surveillance. I don't know of any FOSS ebook readers and if I did I still don't know if I'd stump up the cost of one for no real gain. I also really like passing books I've enjoyed reading on to other people who similarly enjoy. That being said, I will sometimes pick up a free one from #bookz or wherever if I'm unsure about a book's quality or can't pick one up for a reasonable price.

43 min later 30003361 Anonymous
>>30003295 kindle is GPL it has airplane mode you can carry enormous books around to read wihout taking up much space. (I'm reading a 2,000 page book now that I'd never be able to bring with me) plus, they aren't that easy to break

45 min later 30003416 Anonymous
>tfw no 300dpi eink >tfw it will never come to market because it can't play angry birds

47 min later 30003449 Look at my massive
>>30003361 The kindle has licensing and legal problems, as well as back doors. >it has airplane mode Books are always in airplane mode. >you can carry enormous books around to read wihout taking up much space. (I'm reading a 2,000 page book now that I'd never be able to bring with me) An extremely rare margin case, and one you can otherwise just deal with. >plus, they aren't that easy to break But easier to break than a book. I would also rebut with; -- Books never run out of battery -- Nobody ever tries to tell you you're not allowed to sell your books -- Bitches aren't impressed by your large ebook collection

47 min later 30003455 Anonymous
>>30003232 >I don't understand a business model other than the one big media uses so there must be no other business model. The "I want to write a book, Internet, please feed me as I do so" business model is an alternative, but a sketchy one that has nothing to do with the product of one's work. I am not saying that masses of retarded people don't buy stupid books, but it is better than getting supported only by fanatics. Reasonable, centrist authors wouldn't make a living while the Stallmans of the world would be just fine. >"Pick them up" is a colloquialism for "buy"...There are cheap books everywhere. Many libraries have hundreds...

47 min later 30003458 Anonymous
>>30003295 So you're telling me you have a case of aspie?

47 min later 30003465 Anonymous
for now I buy them all from amazon for m kindle. I read alot of new economic books and it seems piraters can't be assed to make pirated pdf from them so i'm stuck with the kindle store. Hopefully one day amazon will remove their drm similar to how apple did for the itunes store.

50 min later 30003516 Anonymous
>>30003465 if those books are not available, you should convert them to DRM free versions and release a torrent somewhere. as payback for all the free media you get to enjoy

51 min later 30003542 Anonymous
>>30003516 how do you stripe drm from the kindle? I would do it if i knew how

51 min later 30003544 Anonymous
>>30003465 https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy

52 min later 30003563 Anonymous
>>30003295 >They don't seem to be any more efficient than carrying a book and it's not like you need to be carrying hundreds of books at any one time. You can click on a word and it will define it. You can't carry around a paper dictionary and encyclopedia with you. >I'd also be concerned about breaking it and there's constant this background feeling of not being in control/being under surveillance. aggreed. >I don't know of any FOSS ebook readers There is one. I forget what it's called.

53 min later 30003585 Look at my massive
>>30003563 It's been a long time since I saw a word in a book I didn't know the meaning of. If you don't count Anathem, of course.

55 min later 30003626 Anonymous
>>30003465 Enjoy losing all the books you bought for basically the same price as paper copies in 10-20 years when the format is obsolete

57 min later 30003651 Look at my massive
>>30003626 Maybe he still needs to get to the chapter on planned obsolescence.

57 min later 30003653 Anonymous
>>30003542 http://www.ismoothblog.com/2012/07/calibre-free-drm-removal-for-amazon.html this should do the trick.

57 min later 30003659 Anonymous
>>30003626 i don't care about 10-20 years from now. I want to read the books today and I rarely read a non-fiction book more than 2x.

58 min later 30003675 Anonymous
>>30003455 >>"Pick them up" is a colloquialism for "buy"...There are cheap books everywhere. Many libraries have hundreds... The topic of this thread is Ebooks.

59 min later 30003710 Anonymous
>>30003585 You're either the most humble person I've seen on the internet today or you're not reading any good books.

1 hours later 30003715 Anonymous
>>30003069 #bookz is the best

1 hours later 30003716 Anonymous
>>30003449 A book is easy as fuck to break. All I have to do is tear out the last page and you are SOL.

1 hours later 30003737 Anonymous
>>30003626 Format does not matter thanks to Calibre.

1 hours later 30003756 Anonymous
>>30003737 Why not?

1 hours later 30003784 Anonymous
>>30003756 It can convert any format into any other format, as well as strip DRM.

1 hours later 30003789 Anonymous
>>30003737 >implying Amazon won't remotely replace all your copies with a less crackable format

1 hours later 30003899 Anonymous
>>30003789 Doesn't matter for now as long as you keep converting to mobi before you load them on, and as long as they dont retroactively make the conversion on books that you've already purchased... bastards.

1 hours later 30003985 Anonymous
>>30003784 >It can convert any format into any other format, as well as strip DRM. I don't think that is true. According to their description in the Lubuntu software center, "Supported input formats are: MOBI, LIT, PRC, EPUB, ODT, HTML, CBR, CBZ, RTF, TXT, PDF and LRS." Don't see AZW or KF8. And now I don't really beleive you about getting rid of DRM. Please cite your response.

1 hours later 30004003 Anonymous
>>30003985 AZW is a MOBI, some of which with DRM. It's estimated somewhere between 40-60% of them don't even really have DRM they're just repackaged with Amazon's extension.

1 hours later 30004036 Anonymous
>>30004003 OK, so if I want to buy a book that I know will come with DRM, do I buy a DRM'd EPUB OR AZW if those are literally the only options to acquire the ebook short of copying the text as I read it into a text file?

1 hours later 30004050 Anonymous
>>30004036 there are DRM removing plug ins for calibre, which function with both AZW and EPUB

1 hours later 30004065 Anonymous
>>30004036 http://stream-recorder.com/forum/download-drm-tools-archive-t7955.html?t=7955

1 hours later 30004069 Anonymous
>>30003985 .mobi IS azw and kf8. Also DRM removal: http://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/calibre-plugins-the-simplest-option-for-removing-most- ebook-drm/ Next time try google, this was within the first three results.

1 hours later 30004085 Anonymous
>>30003069 Seconded all over the place. Plus, install Calibre to convert formats. You guys should spend more time on /lit/. They have this all figured out.

1 hours later 30004110 Look at my massive
>>30003675 And I'm saying a better solution is cheap books. >>30003716 We're not talking about purposeful, malicious action.

1 hours later 30004125 Anonymous
>>30004085 What I want is a DRM free store. I WANT to pay money for books, it is easier, they have less spelling errors then #bookz, and a generally better organized. So far the only DRM free bookstore I have found is webscription.net, and they are limited to sci-fi

1 hours later 30004127 Anonymous
>>30004050 >there are DRM removing plug ins for calibre, which function with both AZW and EPUB Ok but what I'm thinking is that the ones whose DRM it can remove are the ones referred to here: >>30004003 >between 40-60% of them don't even really have DRM[; (Sorry, grammar Nazi here)] they're just repackaged with Amazon's extension.

1 hours later 30004130 Look at my massive
>>30003710 >This guys says he understands all the words! >Naw the books must not be good enough because I have to look shit up all the time Either that or you're stupid.

1 hours later 30004147 Anonymous
>>30004085 >/lit/. They have this all figured out. good idea

1 hours later 30004216 Anonymous
>>30004110 >And I'm saying a better solution is cheap books. How is buying the shitty, one-dollar books that the library is selling for a reason (assuming you are >>30003232 ) when people usually need a specific title a solution for anything other than for a niche pleasure reader?

1 hours later 30004269 Look at my massive
>>30004216 I literally just listed 8 books that I got for price of delivery. They were the titles I wanted.

1 hours later 30004273 Anonymous (grammar nazi.jpg 205x246 8kB)
>>30004125 >less spelling errors fewer

1 hours later 30004325 Anonymous
>buy physical book >pirate drm free version >read on Nexus 7 or Nook Simple Touch with Glowlight

1 hours later 30004335 Anonymous
>>30004130 If only I was as smart as Anon... He knows literally ever single word in the English language and every historical reference he has ever read...

1 hours later 30004381 Anonymous
>>30004325 I like, but the whole point of buying the ebook for me was to take strain off my eyes. >pirate drm free version Is that always an option? I have kind of a niche title I'd like to buy

1 hours later 30004427 Anonymous
>>30004381 More often then not, you can find what you want on tpb. I used to find a shit load of books on Demonoid, but never anymore, and I don't really know of any good book trackers. If you don't really want to use a tablet like the Nexus 7, a kindle or nook or kobo or sony reader will let you load your own book onto it. Just use calibre to convert it to the right format.

1 hours later 30004445 Look at my massive
>>30004335 How old are you? Most adults are able to read most books and either understand every word or understand meaning from context. As an adult it's very uncommon to come across a word you've literally never seen or heard before. I mentioned Anathem, because it is almost a perfect example of the kind of book a person would read if they're the type to enjoy extending their vocabulary. The book has at least 50 words that are not part of the English language and you are expected to learn as you go.

1 hours later 30004514 Anonymous
>>30004273 >Can't even use correct capitalization and punctuation kill you are self

1 hours later 30004610 Anonymous
So i can root/hack my kindle and pirate on it, right? That is literally ALL that anyone cares about - PIRATING. don't even pretend to pull the b-b-b-but muh freedoms card. it's literally 100% piracy and getting books for free. period.

1 hours later 30004632 Anonymous
>>30004610 Which kindle? If it's an ereader, you don't need to root or anything to load your own book files

1 hours later 30004643 Anonymous
>>30004610 >it's literally 100% piracy and getting books for free. period. Show me a DRM free e-bookstore and I will give you all the internets.

1 hours later 30004666 Anonymous
>ebooks Fuck you and fuck your toys. Read real books, you children. Goddamn you and your fucking gimmicky toys.

1 hours later 30004680 Anonymous
>>30004643 http://www.tor.com/store/ It's coming in a few months ago

1 hours later 30004712 Anonymous
>>30004610 >Pirating is bad and you should feel bad Not my fault you released your product on a completely open platform (Computer Data)

2 hours later 30004763 Anonymous
>>30004680 >Tor >DRM FREE OH HELL YEA I CAN'T WAIT TO... >Coming Summer 2012 Oh fuck you, Tor.

2 hours later 30004769 Anonymous
>>30004643 what are you talking about retard? what i'm saying is that the only actual utililty in "muh freedoms" is the ability to PIRATE. and if you can pirate with teh kindle it is therefore objectively the best e-book reader because it has objectively the best hardware.

2 hours later 30004779 Anonymous
>>30004643 we have these things called torrents, XDCC bots on irc, usenet, FTPs, etc.

2 hours later 30004800 Anonymous
>>30004666 Satan has spoken, real books > ebooks.

2 hours later 30004920 Anonymous (dictionary_sales_graph.jpg 495x462 34kB)
>>30004445 For example, I did not know what the word Weltanschauung meant so I looked it up. That is what dictionaries are for. An ebook or Google (assuming you have an internet connection) makes using a dictionary seem like just a hassle. source: publisher

2 hours later 30004984 Anonymous
>>30004680 doesn't have the book I want

2 hours later 30004989 Look at my massive
>>30004920 >Weltanschauung I doubt I will ever read a book containing this word, and if I did and it came up enough I'd look it up later. I haven't had to look up a word in years. If you are reading a non-fiction book there is often a reference.

2 hours later 30004996 Anonymous
>>30004445 Or maybe you're reading a book in a non-native language? Perhaps you're explicitly trying to learn that new language?

2 hours later 30005013 Look at my massive
>>30004996 Not at all relevant.

2 hours later 30005029 Anonymous
>>30005013 How is it not relevant? Are you a filthy monolinguist?

2 hours later 30005048 Anonymous
>>30004996 E-books only have native language dictionaries. Except the Japanese Sony ones, they have English, Japanese and English-->Japanese dictionaries. No English books in their store though...

2 hours later 30005079 Look at my massive
>>30005029 I am and will continue to be until people accept a unified international language. Lojban as a preference.

2 hours later 30005103 Anonymous
torrent books I want and read them of the computer screen

2 hours later 30005119 Anonymous
>>30005029 He's a tripfaget.

2 hours later 30005201 Anonymous
>>30004996 No, it was commonly used in English, for example, in the book I was reading in English published in the 50's, before the word was directly translated into the English "world view". Et voilĂ , Anon's seemingly perfect grasp of the English language falters at last.

2 hours later 30005214 Anonymous
>>30005079 It's been done, man. English. Just get over it.

2 hours later 30005279 Look at my massive
>>30005201 Good for you. You read a book with an archaic use of a foreign-language word. It's such a trivial margin case that it simply doesn't apply, though. i read at least 2 non-fiction books and 1 tech book each month and I can't remember the last time I had to look something up.

2 hours later 30005293 Look at my massive
>>30005279 At least 2 fiction*

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